Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote: And about Marvin, I'm proud to say that I'm the 42 shirt of my university soccer team, kinda nerdy for a computer science student huh? You got the #42 shirt??? Wow. You're a real frood. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Welcome to the Fold! Us nerds should get together and put up the end-all Guide discussions ... should be pretty awesome :D Hot, Cold, Wet ... it's all the same .. But taking a bath just to make a meaningless and preportedly major decision, now that is a feat wholly on it's own worth noting :D I don't think I agree with that on the whole. I think it takes a bath and at least three slices of Bovril toast IIRC -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Synaptics touchpad mistaken(?) for Logitech Wheel Mouse
On Friday 14 March 2008, Johan Blåbäck wrote: I know nothing about this (udev), so any outside input to this discussion would be good. http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udev http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/udev-guide.xml -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Can't mount NTFS read-write
Hi guys, It's kinda late by my erratic bodyclock, so I'm assuming I'm doing something stupid. Can anyone slap me with a kipper, please? (Or should I be using the fuse NTFS driver?) Stroller. $ ls -ld /mnt/foo/ drwxrwx--- 2 root users 48 Aug 1 2007 /mnt/foo/ $ sudo mount -v /dev/sda2 /mnt/foo/ -o uid=stroller,umask=,rw mount: you didn't specify a filesystem type for /dev/sda2 I will try type ntfs /dev/sda2 on /mnt/foo type ntfs (rw,uid=1000,umask=) $ touch /mnt/foo/foo touch: cannot touch `/mnt/foo/foo': Read-only file system $ sudo !! sudo touch /mnt/foo/foo touch: cannot touch `/mnt/foo/foo': Read-only file system $ ls -ld /mnt/foo/ dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 12288 Mar 11 19:09 /mnt/foo/ $ ls -l /mnt/foo/ | head -n 5 total 1057852 dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 May 19 2007 $VAULT$.AVG dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 Oct 7 2006 101_CD -r-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 Aug 12 2004 AUTOEXEC.BAT dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 Apr 10 2007 CETLB $ uname -a Linux emachine 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 25 09:11:36 GMT 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i ntfs CONFIG_NTFS_FS=y # CONFIG_NTFS_DEBUG is not set CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y $ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't mount NTFS read-write
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:33:09 +, Stroller wrote: It's kinda late by my erratic bodyclock, so I'm assuming I'm doing something stupid. Can anyone slap me with a kipper, please? Don't try to write with the in-kernel NTFS driver. (Or should I be using the fuse NTFS driver?) Yes, most definitely. -- Neil Bothwick Anything is good and useful if it's made of chocolate. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox-bin can't see the web but firefox 64-bit and konqueror does.
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:14:28 +0800, Cocoy Dayao wrote: i apologize if you get this twice now. i got an error message from the list saying this message was undelivered by pigeon.gentoo.org, so i am resending. I got the same bounce message from the post to which you replied :( -- Neil Bothwick Sometimes too much to drink is not enough. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:50:16 -0300, Gustavo Campos wrote: And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized jokes, The entire Galaxy isn't global enough for you? -- Neil Bothwick Micro-: (prefix) anything both very small and very expensive. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Docbook
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:26:10 +0100, Daniel Mendler wrote: I have the doc use flag activated globally. Are you aware that this is only needed if you ant extra documentation, usually for developers. Even if you do want such information, it is unlikely you need it globally. Man pages et al are installed by default, except for a few misbehaving ebuilds. -- Neil Bothwick The facts, although interesting, are usually irrelevant. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't mount NTFS read-write
On 15 Mar 2008, at 09:48, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:33:09 +, Stroller wrote: It's kinda late by my erratic bodyclock, so I'm assuming I'm doing something stupid. Can anyone slap me with a kipper, please? Don't try to write with the in-kernel NTFS driver. (Or should I be using the fuse NTFS driver?) Yes, most definitely. Thanks! Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Bogofilter under Thunderbird
As far as I know, Thunderbird doesn't support external filters (imho a very big disadvantage). You could get around it by using a local mail server. If you find another way, let me know. I'm interested in this as well. On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:47 +0100, cypherstrong wrote: Hi, Do you know how in gentoo, use bogofilter under thunderbird ? This program work great on kmail or evolution, but thunderbird have it's own filter, I don't really like it. How can I plug bogofilter ? Is they a plugins, or a pop3 proxy to do that ? Thanks signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] partition needs to be fsckd, keyboard locked
On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:56 +0100, b.n. wrote: Alan McKinnon ha scritto: On Thursday 13 March 2008, b.n. wrote: Hi, After a hard freeze on the Gentoo partition of my Macbook Pro laptop, I rebooted, and I found this dreaded message: /dev/sda4: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. (i.e., without -a or -p options) And it asks me my root password, or ctrl-d to skip the fsck. Problem is, my keyboard seems totally unresponsive. So I basically can't boot into my system. I'm currently downloading a livecd to bypass this, obviously, but I wonder - if there's some other solution - something I should be aware of before fscking the filesystem? try edit the kernel line in the bootloader to add the parameter single to the end of the kernel line. Tried that, it seems it doesn't work (it seems to ignore it, but I am not sure. I'll try again). Hopefully bypassing the rest of the boot up runlevel stuff will leave you with a working keyboard. I can't really help much further, as I don't know how the Macbook keyboards are connected or wired up I think Linux sees it as an USB keyboard, but I don't know for sure. m. Most probably you compiled HID, USB-HID and/or your USB-controller as kernel modules, which cannot be loaded prior to mounting /. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Bogofilter under Thunderbird
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 11:11 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: As far as I know, Thunderbird doesn't support external filters (imho a very big disadvantage). You could get around it by using a local mail server. If you find another way, let me know. I'm interested in this as well. On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:47 +0100, cypherstrong wrote: Hi, Do you know how in gentoo, use bogofilter under thunderbird ? This program work great on kmail or evolution, but thunderbird have it's own filter, I don't really like it. How can I plug bogofilter ? Is they a plugins, or a pop3 proxy to do that ? Thanks Sorry for top-posting, didn't notice it. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't mount NTFS read-write
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 09:48 +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:33:09 +, Stroller wrote: It's kinda late by my erratic bodyclock, so I'm assuming I'm doing something stupid. Can anyone slap me with a kipper, please? Don't try to write with the in-kernel NTFS driver. (Or should I be using the fuse NTFS driver?) Yes, most definitely. By the way: Which one is better (or are they the same?): ntfs-3g or ntfsprogs with USE=fuse? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Bogofilter under Thunderbird
do you know a bogofilter proxy that could score on the fly a pop3 server? perhaps in perl that coumd be easy to make. I will try soonly. On 3/15/08, Florian Philipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know, Thunderbird doesn't support external filters (imho a very big disadvantage). You could get around it by using a local mail server. If you find another way, let me know. I'm interested in this as well. On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 09:47 +0100, cypherstrong wrote: Hi, Do you know how in gentoo, use bogofilter under thunderbird ? This program work great on kmail or evolution, but thunderbird have it's own filter, I don't really like it. How can I plug bogofilter ? Is they a plugins, or a pop3 proxy to do that ? Thanks -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] jffs2 on gentoo
On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 18:27 +, James wrote: Hello, I have a firewall that is built pretty minimally on a P3 and and old 4 gig ide disk: /dev/hda3 2068348 1668104400244 81% / /dev/hda1 100728 40452 60276 41% /boot I have a 4 gig Cf card (sandisk) and a ide-cf card that should make the CF card look like an ide hard drive. I've been searching for a wiki or something that describes the general sequence of events to migrate the existing gentoo system to the CF/ide disk, with no luck. I did find this page: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Mounting_a_block_device_with_JFFS2 But it seems vague(outdated) and missing many steps. Or am I confused? I'm just looking for some outline or verbose steps to replace an ide drive on a system with a CF/ide drive and jffs2, as I have many systems that I'd like to do this with, for core reliability on minimalistic gentoo servers. I plan on having additional space on these systems (when needed) via NFS. Any help or ideas are greatly appreciated. James As far as I know you won't need jffs2 (or any other fs for flash memory). It is meant to be used on embedded devices that directly access the flash memory. In your case, the CF-disk takes care of wear leveling. Just use ext2. However, you could still get problems because, as far as I know, wear leveling needs to be tuned for the FS and most probably no one tuned the CF-disk for ext2. Maybe you could use fat instead... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't mount NTFS read-write
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 11:40:11 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: By the way: Which one is better (or are they the same?): ntfs-3g or ntfsprogs with USE=fuse? ntfs3g is the driver, ntfsprogs contains the mkfs, resize, fsck etc. programs, the fuse USE flag enables support for fuse filesystems. In short, you need both. -- Neil Bothwick CAUTION: Do not install prior to installation. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't mount NTFS read-write
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ntfs-3g is better then the kernel ntfs drivers Stroller wrote: | Hi guys, | | It's kinda late by my erratic bodyclock, so I'm assuming I'm doing | something stupid. Can anyone slap me with a kipper, please? | | (Or should I be using the fuse NTFS driver?) | | Stroller. | | | $ ls -ld /mnt/foo/ | drwxrwx--- 2 root users 48 Aug 1 2007 /mnt/foo/ | $ sudo mount -v /dev/sda2 /mnt/foo/ -o uid=stroller,umask=,rw | mount: you didn't specify a filesystem type for /dev/sda2 |I will try type ntfs | /dev/sda2 on /mnt/foo type ntfs (rw,uid=1000,umask=) | $ touch /mnt/foo/foo | touch: cannot touch `/mnt/foo/foo': Read-only file system | $ sudo !! | sudo touch /mnt/foo/foo | touch: cannot touch `/mnt/foo/foo': Read-only file system | $ ls -ld /mnt/foo/ | dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 12288 Mar 11 19:09 /mnt/foo/ | $ ls -l /mnt/foo/ | head -n 5 | total 1057852 | dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 May 19 2007 $VAULT$.AVG | dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 Oct 7 2006 101_CD | -r-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 Aug 12 2004 AUTOEXEC.BAT | dr-xr-xr-x 1 stroller root 0 Apr 10 2007 CETLB | $ uname -a | Linux emachine 2.6.23-gentoo-r3 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 25 09:11:36 GMT | 2008 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux | $ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep -i ntfs | CONFIG_NTFS_FS=y | # CONFIG_NTFS_DEBUG is not set | CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y | $ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH28Z68hUIAnGfls4RAlWkAJwLUdWHL1RKRpkyXH4NGvQOru1vMgCbB5bl DnruPyTtaiahjeTY8W83mZY= =oC3h -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 How come I don't see my own posts to this list? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH28bX8hUIAnGfls4RAvPaAJ9iVi3RdAD798CYdMQJC0AsGuNjIQCgiRD/ /WHaJPY2UjnYra6iiPC9yHQ= =CWDr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Chris Brennan wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? We got this one. I saw one other one too. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH28wO8hUIAnGfls4RArQ+AJ9DrM5N04BiAqd7M6IidiRviZ3YiwCfQb6N vYPdYR9en8+OVJ5h0mRY+Qs= =kxiB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D Sometimes the mail server filters them out. I read that ?gmail? and a few others do that. Not sure why or how to over come it tho. Somewhat common from my reading. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Chris Brennan wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 16/03/2008, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes the mail server filters them out. I read that ?gmail? and a few others do that. Not sure why or how to over come it tho. Somewhat common from my reading. I concur with that... gmail seems to filter out duplicates from all my mail lists... ...Ric -- Ric de France Ph: +61412945554 (international) or 0412945554 (Australia) == Do you, uh... Gentoo? Gent-hooo!! == == http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml == -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
Well, I must admit I'm not really in the position to negate that one. Not a so travelled man, you know? The truth is that it take me some time to notice you guys were talking about our bible-like-one-that-works-e-book, I'm used to read English, but mostly that one in the tech books. But never fear, I just discovered urbandictionary.com and from now on by any means our communication shall be inaccurate. And I'm also starting to learn how to trust in gmail's spell checker (my gmail is in engliish, which makes it a bit nonsense to correct my usually Portuguese mail) On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:50:16 -0300, Gustavo Campos wrote: And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized jokes, The entire Galaxy isn't global enough for you? -- Neil Bothwick Micro-: (prefix) anything both very small and very expensive. -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Norberto Bensa wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) | | | Indeed I am, appeears to be the only reliable free mail service I have access to at the moment so now I will pop off and bug them about it. /me sticks out his thumb for Barnard's Star. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH29LP8hUIAnGfls4RAlEfAJ9PohL0sSmLAzMWYSL+v3EhK5PODgCeOxoT RCFoG7ZKsGEXvCf4YfpD1Hg= =oz0L -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan McKinnon wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: | Dale wrote: | | Chris Brennan wrote: | | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | | Dale | | | | :-) :-) | | Ya but you didn't answer my question :D | | The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address | as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a | non-idiot (like this one) | ahh well now that explains it all -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH29Lr8hUIAnGfls4RAlkAAJ9DJhB6m2FD34g3YMxrkT6GxNabBQCgiSFO Jl08qrlNmdndZQrjRMXJF34= =+SFk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
I believe that is true. In gmail we usually see our own posts because it composes the conversations not only with the received messages, but also with the sent ones (in the sent messages label) On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 well we could all just give up and communicate in binary You can read and right binary can't you? Gustavo Campos wrote: | Well, I must admit I'm not really in the position to negate that one. | Not a so travelled man, you know? | | The truth is that it take me some time to notice you guys were talking | about our bible-like-one-that-works-e-book, I'm used to read English, | but mostly that one in the tech books. | | But never fear, I just discovered urbandictionary.com and from now on | by any means our communication shall be inaccurate. And I'm also | starting to learn how to trust in gmail's spell checker (my gmail is | in engliish, which makes it a bit nonsense to correct my usually | Portuguese mail) | | On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:50:16 -0300, Gustavo Campos wrote: | | And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized | jokes, | | The entire Galaxy isn't global enough for you? | | | -- | Neil Bothwick | | Micro-: (prefix) anything both very small and very expensive. | | | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH29NC8hUIAnGfls4RApgwAJ0Wet5edxaRzTGpk63YfoTIvJB5KQCcCFCR tsfOBN9ZgXu8+2Z3w3f71wQ= =2YJv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
Of course I can, but first we must state: little or big endian? compliment by two? On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 well we could all just give up and communicate in binary You can read and right binary can't you? Gustavo Campos wrote: | Well, I must admit I'm not really in the position to negate that one. | Not a so travelled man, you know? | | The truth is that it take me some time to notice you guys were talking | about our bible-like-one-that-works-e-book, I'm used to read English, | but mostly that one in the tech books. | | But never fear, I just discovered urbandictionary.com and from now on | by any means our communication shall be inaccurate. And I'm also | starting to learn how to trust in gmail's spell checker (my gmail is | in engliish, which makes it a bit nonsense to correct my usually | Portuguese mail) | | On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:50:16 -0300, Gustavo Campos wrote: | | And for instance, I would apprecciate if you guys made some globalized | jokes, | | The entire Galaxy isn't global enough for you? | | | -- | Neil Bothwick | | Micro-: (prefix) anything both very small and very expensive. | | | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH29NC8hUIAnGfls4RApgwAJ0Wet5edxaRzTGpk63YfoTIvJB5KQCcCFCR tsfOBN9ZgXu8+2Z3w3f71wQ= =2YJv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Skipping static libraries
* Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A long time ago I read a HUGE thread on b.g.o. about this, the eventual conclusion is that after installation of a lib, a user might well want to link those libs statically and if they are not there, portage will barf big time and has no way to recover or even know what went wrong. Then the poor user sits in mystery wondering which package to remerge to get the .a Well, if there was an optional useflag (ie. staticlib) which is turned on by default (or maybe nostaticlib), I don't see any problem. Most people will leave them enabled, only who are sure about this will disable them. BTW: this leads me to another issue, which goes aroud in my mind for a longer time: packages should be split off into several stripes in the binary output. Other packages then could depend on single stripes at different levels. For example: if some package foo requires libbar, it would only depend on the buildtime stripe(s) for building (eg. so headers get pulled in), while at runtime it will only depend on the runtime stripe(s) of bar. There could also be separate stripes for certain locales, docs, examples, etc. Such an approach could be really useful for binary-only targets (which don't build themselves) and network installations (eg. arch-dependent and -independent stripes could be installed separately). Ubuntu can get away with this, the user gets what the packager feels like giving them, our users have *much* more freedom. I don't have much experiences w/ Ubuntu, but AFAIK this is an binary- distro. Those distros usually split the (binary) output into two separate packages, eg. libfoo is only the binary library, while libfoo-devel contains all the buildtime stuff (*.h, *.pc, ...). While this approach is quite simple, it's not very flexible and does't allow finer granulation (eg. separating locales, etc), but requires great care for filing dependencies. What's your reasoning for wanting to do this? a) saving space / skipping unused stuff b) preventing accidential static linking. While working on PHP and IMAP c-client, I discovered a broken libc-client.so* installation (turned out that just a symlink was missing). PHP always tried to build in the static library (since .so wasnt found), which leads to missing deps (eg. crypt,pam), after I removed the explicit deps within PHP. The whole issue began with PHP breaking at this point after I rebuild evrything w/o pam. PHP explicitly links in pam and crypt for IMAP c-client if it finds them. Obviously an dirty hack around libc-client's extremly poor engineering. cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ - Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ - -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 08:53:43 -0400 Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? /* offtopic Please, don't hijack threads. It is irritating for people using thread-aware e-mail clients. Even more it is offending to the original poster, because they get answers to your question instead of theirs. In case you didn't know, it happens when you use reply for sending a new question instead of composing a new message. */ On the subject. My guess is you can't see your own messages because your server filters them. It is known to happen with Gmail accounts. As a workaround you could register two accounts - one for reading and one for sending messages as described in the documentation: http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml ...Mailing List Mini-FAQ I subscribed to a list using my home email address, but I can't post to the list from work. What do I do to fix this? To reduce spam, all of our lists are configured to only allow posts from official subscriber email addresses. Fortunately, mlmmj supports nomail subscriptions, allowing you to register alternate email addresses that can be used only for posting to the list. Here's an example of how this works. Let's say you subscribed to the gentoo-dev list as [EMAIL PROTECTED], but you'd also like to post to the list using your [EMAIL PROTECTED] email address. To do this, send a message (as [EMAIL PROTECTED]) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You should then be allowed to post to gentoo-dev using both your home and work email addresses -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote: Of course I can, but first we must state: little or big endian? compliment by two? Pah! These cocky youngsters, all full of bright ideas about using fancy new-fangled stuff. What is this endian nonsense of which you speak? And this twos compliment garbage? We don't need no steenken twos compliment: We use BCD -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Daniel Iliev wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. What does this have to do with what the list server does? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 16:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Daniel Iliev wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com I doubt it works that way. I always get mails back from the list, I can forward one to you, the headers should be proof enough. Of course it's possible to place a copy of your sent message in your inbox (and I know, kmail's got an option for that) but that's not standard behavior. It's merely a workaround for broken filters like gmail's. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 15/03/2008, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. That's unfortunate as it screws up GMail's conversation feature - also the list email serves as confirmation that your message has got through. Can this setting be changed please? Thanks Alan -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. What does this have to do with what the list server does? OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour Sometimes the user does want a copy of the post to come back as a verification that the message was indeed fully processed by the list server. That would be an issue between the user and the list admin. -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour Agreed. However, Gentoo lists do send back the messages to the senders, and this is unrelated to the broken way gmail handles list messages. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan McKinnon wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: | The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the | same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour | for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) | Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get | their original messages back? | There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say | kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. | What does this have to do with what the list server does? | | OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. | | - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y | - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X | - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the | user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the | original* | - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to | enable or disable this behaviour | | Sometimes the user does want a copy of the post to come back as a | verification that the message was indeed fully processed by the list | server. That would be an issue between the user and the list admin. | | So do the lists at gentoo provide such an option? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2+U18hUIAnGfls4RAsulAJ9P7Bf3ec5/B92373CLaQvHTWCysgCfWPCH rhB4aelLVyBWNH5jqr07bS8= =yXbQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Yes well, I am using thunderbird and my mail is stored on a remote server on my lan, so I can check my mail from any machine in my house. So yes, I am using Google Apps to host my e-mail, it's convenient for me and meets me needs and requirements. But the question remains, is there an options for my to enable to be sent a copy of my own posts to the lists(s) that I belong to, as a verification *and* for Thunderbird to properly sort the conversation. TB does infact differenciate somethings, like when a threads *was* infact hijacked, but after the user got his answer. I can then sort just that part and isolate it. But because TB doesn't know where I posted first, it lumps then all together and things jump around. Alan McKinnon wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: | On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: | The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the | same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour | for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) | Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get | their original messages back? | There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say | kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. | What does this have to do with what the list server does? | | OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. | | - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y | - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X | - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the | user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the | original* | - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to | enable or disable this behaviour | | Sometimes the user does want a copy of the post to come back as a | verification that the message was indeed fully processed by the list | server. That would be an issue between the user and the list admin. | | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2+Z08hUIAnGfls4RAhOnAJ9X8FN+q64o8bxlaDTIUzAbaeE9GwCfTLX8 x5j6lBglymdwQhsgABjwZMk= =5/8c -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:31:53 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Daniel Iliev wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 15:35:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Dale wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | We got this one. I saw one other one too. | Dale | | :-) :-) Ya but you didn't answer my question :D The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. I don't think so. The ML software sends (bounces) every message to all subscribers (except those who had chosen the no-mail option). It is up to the subscribers' server or client to decide what to do with a given message when/if they catch this message has already been there. Anyone, please, correct me if I'm wrong. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Skipping static libraries
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Enrico Weigelt wrote: * Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A long time ago I read a HUGE thread on b.g.o. about this, the eventual conclusion is that after installation of a lib, a user might well want to link those libs statically and if they are not there, portage will barf big time and has no way to recover or even know what went wrong. Then the poor user sits in mystery wondering which package to remerge to get the .a Well, if there was an optional useflag (ie. staticlib) which is turned on by default (or maybe nostaticlib), I don't see any problem. Most people will leave them enabled, only who are sure about this will disable them. OK, I see your reasoning. It fits in the same general category where USE=build belongs - highly specialized. However, I can predict with confidence that your chances of getting this accepted into portage are zero, for the following excellent reasons: 1. regardless of how many warning and how many FAQs state to not do it, a sizeable portion of idiots out there are going to enable it anyway just to see what happens. We usually call these people ricers, it's the same twits who set CFLAGS=-O and expect devs to help them out of the hole they dig for themselves. Most devs will take one look at this and decide why should they have their inbox filled with support mails from twits who do YADT (yet another dumb thing) at no real benefit to the dev himself? Heck, I wouldn't. 2. It's likely to break an unknown number of things in the tree. There is no easy way to know which ebuilds require a .a to be present, short of actually building everything in that state and seeing what breaks. Most devs would compare this to #1 and point blank refuse to support it for the same reason 3. Considering the current state of portage, good luck on finding a dev willing to build such a low-level feature into it :-) Getting it into paludis would be much easier IMHO In summary, you have an excellent chance of breaking stuff that isn't broken for an arguably zero or near-zero benefit BTW: this leads me to another issue, which goes aroud in my mind for a longer time: packages should be split off into several stripes in the binary output. Other packages then could depend on single stripes at different levels. For example: if some package foo requires libbar, it would only depend on the buildtime stripe(s) for building (eg. so headers get pulled in), while at runtime it will only depend on the runtime stripe(s) of bar. There could also be separate stripes for certain locales, docs, examples, etc. Such an approach could be really useful for binary-only targets (which don't build themselves) and network installations (eg. arch-dependent and -independent stripes could be installed separately). Well, you do only need the headers to build, but the whole point of building the app is to run it, which requires the binaries anyway. Frankly, it's easier to just manually delete the headers when the build is done Ubuntu can get away with this, the user gets what the packager feels like giving them, our users have *much* more freedom. I don't have much experiences w/ Ubuntu, but AFAIK this is an binary- distro. Those distros usually split the (binary) output into two separate packages, eg. libfoo is only the binary library, while libfoo-devel contains all the buildtime stuff (*.h, *.pc, ...). While this approach is quite simple, it's not very flexible and does't allow finer granulation (eg. separating locales, etc), but requires great care for filing dependencies. Yes, Ubuntu is binary. The packagers operate under policies that say things like You will always use dynamic linking, so they could delete all static libs from the shipped packages, as any such package that requires a .a is by definition broken. The foo and foo-devel split is mostly a historical thing, dating from way back in the days of Red Hat 5 or even earlier. Back then, most users were on dial up (and binaries were much smaller than today) so -devel packages were introduced mostly to conserve bandwidth and resulting disk space. It's very much a hack actually. You could successfully argue that this is no longer the case and we don't need -devel packages anymore as bandwidth and disk space are cheap. Add the fact that -devel packages cause lots of confusion to users with mysterious failures when they build something. What's your reasoning for wanting to do this? a) saving space / skipping unused stuff b) preventing accidential static linking. While working on PHP and IMAP c-client, I discovered a broken libc-client.so* installation (turned out that just a symlink was missing). PHP always tried to build in the static library (since .so wasnt found), which leads to missing deps (eg. crypt,pam), after I removed the explicit deps within PHP. The whole issue began with PHP breaking at this point after I rebuild evrything w/o pam. PHP
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Alan McKinnon schrieb: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. Of course it does. That you don't see it doesn't mean the list server doesn't send it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) No it isn't. Regards mks -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
BCD is good, but time goes on, we must improve, we must evolve. We thrived, we evolved, not the time has come for us to step back again, into the light. On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Gustavo Campos wrote: Of course I can, but first we must state: little or big endian? compliment by two? Pah! These cocky youngsters, all full of bright ideas about using fancy new-fangled stuff. What is this endian nonsense of which you speak? And this twos compliment garbage? We don't need no steenken twos compliment: We use BCD -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Skipping static libraries
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 | Hmmm. There are many thousand ebuilds in the tree. Many more in 3rd | party overlays. Your idea fixes 1 problem in 1 ebuild. Just for the sake of amusment and to give a sense of perspective. By my count (ls -lshaR /usr/portage | grep ebuild | wc -l) I get 24,708 ebuilds (and that's from a sync at -5) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2++e8hUIAnGfls4RAvywAKCJyKnB2oQv5UDmIwZRVLDttEWALACeL2s3 2CvwrYQaNhLgJiVg36kH2+c= =9lc3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Accept all versions but 9999
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gustavo Campos wrote: | BCD is good, but time goes on, we must improve, we must evolve. | | We thrived, we evolved, not the time has come for us to step back | again, into the light. Every generation has a mythology. Every millennium has a doomsday cult. Every legend gets the distortion knob wound up until the speaker melts. Archaeologists at the University of Helsinki today uncovered what could be the earliest known writings from the Cult of Tux, a fanatical religious sect that flourished during the early Silicon Age, around the dawn of the third millennium AD... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2+/a8hUIAnGfls4RAqYqAJ9F8UN26XYkZICp+xmgdxWJJUIehwCfcsmy aBvYoAO5jHyF2QkpS5r6t+o= =ljEU -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 14 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote: Vladimir Rusinov wrote: Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*` Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta` (or emerge -uDN kde-meta) You aren't understanding me. I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and 4, and if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem, but I am trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such emerge package named like this, at least, none I can find, none 'emerge -s qt-3*' could find either. If you could identify for me what the heck the real package name is, I would gladly rebuild it. I'm not having trouble with the command line, I'm having trouble finding the cirrect thing to rebuild. qt is SLOTted, I think you are simply using the wrong syntax. Using my machine as an example (you should also emerge eix, it's so much easier and quicker than emerge -s): [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/bin $ eix -e qt [I] x11-libs/qt Available versions: (3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4 (4) 4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1 The SLOTs are 3 and 4 If I try to update qt, portage will update qt4 as it's the latest version. I would have to do something like emerge =qt-3.3.8-r4 or the newish syntax incorporating SLOTs emerge qt:3 You were essentially trying to tell portage to update a package called qt-3, there is no such package. And getting to grips with emerge's version number syntax can be a bitch Does this answer your query? Comes very, very close. I wasn't aware of slots. I just went agoogling, found several explanations of what it is in Gentoo docs (and read them) but haven't found any explanation of how to use them (what tools, what syntax? I need to say, slots seem a great idea (depends on the abilities I see, when I can locate the syntax). Is there maybe something written up NOT on how to create a slotted package, but how to sreach for particular slots being available, being filled by what candidate, how to call a particular candidate to be built, etc. I should note, one of my biggest hot buttons in documentation is the unfortunate trend towards using _only_ examples. Examples after giving the full syntax are great, but examples alone are just enouigh to frustrate, because your actual need is almost never what is exampled, and many folks seem to think that one example is really all folks need. Please, those of you reading this, don''t let yourself fall into that trap, because an example or tweo after the syntax is great, but a example or two ONLY is inviting users to have to pester you forever. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2/JQz62J6PPcoOkRAm7EAKCVrHd2FPD1rJib4ky/DJs0Mg/4IwCfTGWt WFq4ojUY4EqRePHpo9zpcd4= =GLVM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: * The die message: * Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl. asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist. It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3 version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *. emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*' Thanks, That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be looking to see what gets selected). The reply I got from the other fellow, on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use slots yet, just that they do seem a great idea. Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2/MUz62J6PPcoOkRAs2bAKCiUfGEA6zk9O1ta1tOOoJHcRWO2gCgjXaU BLp5U7oquDvX8YbaUq35r0Q= =9502 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Skipping static libraries
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: | Hmmm. There are many thousand ebuilds in the tree. Many more in 3rd | party overlays. Your idea fixes 1 problem in 1 ebuild. Just for the sake of amusment and to give a sense of perspective. By my count (ls -lshaR /usr/portage | grep ebuild | wc -l) I get 24,708 ebuilds (and that's from a sync at -5) Cool. Since some packages have multiple ebuilds, to get an approximate number of unique packages in portage, I did something like this $ find /usr/portage | grep 'metadata\.xml' | wc -l 12618 Still an excellent number...and this is only for the official tree! -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
I know it's good for all of us to know that we are tealking to actually someone real, but I never got too much into PGP because of that damned clutter messages it generates. Anyone knows if gmail (and the other clients) can mask the PGP singnatures from mail? For me at least it's pretty much enough for it to just show me that the message is indeed signed, I don'n care about the public key stuff and all xD -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I dunno if gmail can ... but I am sure thunderbird has some ext. that might be able to help. For me, I don't see it, GNUpg just tells TB that the message has been signed and that I can retrieve the pubkey if I wish to. Gustavo Campos wrote: | I know it's good for all of us to know that we are tealking to | actually someone real, but I never got too much into PGP because of | that damned clutter messages it generates. | | Anyone knows if gmail (and the other clients) can mask the PGP | singnatures from mail? For me at least it's pretty much enough for it | to just show me that the message is indeed signed, I don'n care about | the public key stuff and all xD | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2/ZH8hUIAnGfls4RAg+bAJ0Q1ys3kHnaFkwVi2uv6I8AqcyWwgCghl6u lUbNufD8U9H6fGIx+XDnu0w= =dpNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
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Neil Bothwick wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
* The die message:
* Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl.
asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote
the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.
emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'
I didn't want to wear out my welcome. publicly, but one more question.
Using --update and --newuse, I just reinstalled qt last night. This
morning, after someone suggested eix, I ran that, and got this:
june ~ # eix -e qt
[I] x11-libs/qt
Available versions:
(3) 3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
(4) 4.3.2-r1 ~4.3.3 ~4.3.4 [M]~4.4.0_beta1
{accessibility cups dbus debug doc examples firebird gif glib immqt
immqt-bc input_devices_wacom ipv6 jpeg mng mysql nas nis odbc opengl pch
png postgres qt3support sqlite sqlite3 ssl tiff xinerama zlib}
Installed versions: 3.3.8-r4(3)(16:16:12 03/14/08)(cups doc examples
ipv6 opengl -debug -firebird -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
- -postgres -sqlite -xinerama)
4.3.2-r1(4)(16:02:00 03/14/08)(cups dbus doc
examples jpeg opengl png ssl tiff zlib -accessibility -debug -firebird -gif
- -glib -input_devices_wacom -mng -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres
- -qt3support -sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama)
Homepage:http://www.trolltech.com/
Description: The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application
development framework.
I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots, so I needed
to ignore all the slot stuff until I get some slot info (the man page for
both emerge and portatge are silent on slots, beyond one very slim
paragraph in emerge, which gave no syntax). This morning, when I did the
cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:
[ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 USE=cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
- -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres
- -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB
Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]
What the heck does it mean to merge these?
BTW, I did spend some time googling the answers, can't find anything
written on slot usage yet.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
Well, ther must be some Firefox extension too, probably - gone searching. On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I dunno if gmail can ... but I am sure thunderbird has some ext. that might be able to help. For me, I don't see it, GNUpg just tells TB that the message has been signed and that I can retrieve the pubkey if I wish to. Gustavo Campos wrote: | I know it's good for all of us to know that we are tealking to | actually someone real, but I never got too much into PGP because of | that damned clutter messages it generates. | | Anyone knows if gmail (and the other clients) can mask the PGP | singnatures from mail? For me at least it's pretty much enough for it | to just show me that the message is indeed signed, I don'n care about | the public key stuff and all xD | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2/ZH8hUIAnGfls4RAg+bAJ0Q1ys3kHnaFkwVi2uv6I8AqcyWwgCghl6u lUbNufD8U9H6fGIx+XDnu0w= =dpNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
why dont use the pgp mime mode? a join file with the signature message dont disturb people without pgp mail client On 3/15/08, Gustavo Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, ther must be some Firefox extension too, probably - gone searching. On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I dunno if gmail can ... but I am sure thunderbird has some ext. that might be able to help. For me, I don't see it, GNUpg just tells TB that the message has been signed and that I can retrieve the pubkey if I wish to. Gustavo Campos wrote: | I know it's good for all of us to know that we are tealking to | actually someone real, but I never got too much into PGP because of | that damned clutter messages it generates. | | Anyone knows if gmail (and the other clients) can mask the PGP | singnatures from mail? For me at least it's pretty much enough for it | to just show me that the message is indeed signed, I don'n care about | the public key stuff and all xD | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2/ZH8hUIAnGfls4RAg+bAJ0Q1ys3kHnaFkwVi2uv6I8AqcyWwgCghl6u lUbNufD8U9H6fGIx+XDnu0w= =dpNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
Compatibility trouble? On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Strong Cypher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why dont use the pgp mime mode? a join file with the signature message dont disturb people without pgp mail client On 3/15/08, Gustavo Campos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, ther must be some Firefox extension too, probably - gone searching. On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I dunno if gmail can ... but I am sure thunderbird has some ext. that might be able to help. For me, I don't see it, GNUpg just tells TB that the message has been signed and that I can retrieve the pubkey if I wish to. Gustavo Campos wrote: | I know it's good for all of us to know that we are tealking to | actually someone real, but I never got too much into PGP because of | that damned clutter messages it generates. | | Anyone knows if gmail (and the other clients) can mask the PGP | singnatures from mail? For me at least it's pretty much enough for it | to just show me that the message is indeed signed, I don'n care about | the public key stuff and all xD | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2/ZH8hUIAnGfls4RAg+bAJ0Q1ys3kHnaFkwVi2uv6I8AqcyWwgCghl6u lUbNufD8U9H6fGIx+XDnu0w= =dpNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Saturday 15 March 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. What does this have to do with what the list server does? OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour but you are wrong. You get your email back from the list. GMAIL just does not show it. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Alan Milnes wrote: On 15/03/2008, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. That's unfortunate as it screws up GMail's conversation feature - also the list email serves as confirmation that your message has got through. Can this setting be changed please? there is no such setting. The ml sends all mails to all subscribers. So you DO get your mail back. gmail does not show such mails, because it is broken. Google for it, it has been discussed in the past. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Chris Brennan wrote: Norberto Bensa wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | How come I don't see my own posts to this list? | | You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) Indeed I am, appeears to be the only reliable free mail service I have access to at the moment so now I will pop off and bug them about it. /me sticks out his thumb for Barnard's Star. this broken behaviour angers people from the beginning. They won't change it. gmx is a nice, free service that always works. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
I think it's funny that Enigmail isn't happy with any of the messages in this thread. Mostly Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found, one can't find the key to import. -- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
Life is pure irony On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Matt Nordhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's funny that Enigmail isn't happy with any of the messages in this thread. Mostly Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found, one can't find the key to import. -- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
On Saturday 15 March 2008 17:19, Gustavo Campos wrote: Well, ther must be some Firefox extension too, probably - gone searching. On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Chris Brennan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I dunno if gmail can ... but I am sure thunderbird has some ext. that might be able to help. For me, I don't see it, GNUpg just tells TB that the message has been signed and that I can retrieve the pubkey if I wish to. Gustavo Campos wrote: | I know it's good for all of us to know that we are tealking to | actually someone real, but I never got too much into PGP because of | that damned clutter messages it generates. | | Anyone knows if gmail (and the other clients) can mask the PGP | singnatures from mail? For me at least it's pretty much enough for it | to just show me that the message is indeed signed, I don'n care about | the public key stuff and all xD -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH2/ZH8hUIAnGfls4RAg+bAJ0Q1ys3kHnaFkwVi2uv6I8AqcyWwgCghl6u lUbNufD8U9H6fGIx+XDnu0w= =dpNK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list -- Gustavo Campos Ciência da Computação / Computer Science - UFMG There is a Firefox extension, but it seems the site is currently offline: http://firegpg.tuxfamily.org/ @Matt Nordhoff, how about my version? My key is available via a number of key servers. -- Rick van Hattem Rick.van.Hattem(at)Fawo.nl signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
Rick van Hattem wrote: @Matt Nordhoff, how about my version? My key is available via a number of key servers. Yay, you're good. Automatically found your key. -- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Samstag, 15. März 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: OK, lets go back to step 1, and try to think it through this time. - a user sends a mail from account X to list Y - same user is also subscribed to list Y from account X - if list Y sends a copy of the mail to the user at account X, then the user has a duplicate because by definition *he already has the original* - it is completely reasonable to give the list admin the option to enable or disable this behaviour but you are wrong. You get your email back from the list. GMAIL just does not show it. That is the way I understand it too. It's not the list mail server that stops it, it's the mail server on the users end. I'll have a copy of this email in my sent folder but I'll also get a copy back in my inbox folder in a little bit too. I also sort mine by threads so it is neat or the threading will be . . . confusing. I have enough confusion already. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
Chuck Robey wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: * The die message: * Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl. asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist. It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3 version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *. emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*' Thanks, That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be looking to see what gets selected). The reply I got from the other fellow, on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use slots yet, just that they do seem a great idea. Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you. I'm going to shoot up a flare but I may not be able to shoot it in a way that will visible. Look as close as you can. ;-) Example: KDE. There is currently two versions of KDE available. We have the stable and widely used KDE 3 and the unstable KDE 4. Even if KDE 4 was not masked and was stable, you could still have KDE 3 and KDE 4 on the same system at the same time. You could use KDE 3, log out of it then select KDE 4 and log into the new KDE 4. KDE is slotted. Slotted just basically means you can have two versions of the same package(s) on the same system at the same time. Back to the qt thing you are dealing with. I check this way but there are other ways to do this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list qt [ Searching for package 'qt' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old-0.70 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3) [I--] [ ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I have qt3 and qt4 on here. Can't recall what pulled in qt4 at the moment but they coexist very well. Note the (3) and (4) on the end there? That's what tells you it is slotted. If a program needs qt3 then it uses it. If it needs qt4 then it can use it. If you want to re-emerge qt3 manually, you can do it this way. emerge =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 will emerge qt3. Emerge knows to do qt3 because there is a equal sign in front that tells it the specific version you want to emerge. If you just type in emerge qt, it will emerge the highest version available but not the qt3 version. So, does this help any? Somebody speak up if I am mistaken somewhere. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dale wrote: Chuck Robey wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: * The die message: * Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE=opengl. asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist. It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3 version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *. emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*' Thanks, That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be looking to see what gets selected). The reply I got from the other fellow, on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use slots yet, just that they do seem a great idea. Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you. I'm going to shoot up a flare but I may not be able to shoot it in a way that will visible. Look as close as you can. ;-) Example: KDE. There is currently two versions of KDE available. We have the stable and widely used KDE 3 and the unstable KDE 4. Even if KDE 4 was not masked and was stable, you could still have KDE 3 and KDE 4 on the same system at the same time. You could use KDE 3, log out of it then select KDE 4 and log into the new KDE 4. KDE is slotted. Slotted just basically means you can have two versions of the same package(s) on the same system at the same time. Back to the qt thing you are dealing with. I check this way but there are other ways to do this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # equery list qt [ Searching for package 'qt' in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old-0.70 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3) [I--] [ ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I have qt3 and qt4 on here. Can't recall what pulled in qt4 at the moment but they coexist very well. Note the (3) and (4) on the end there? That's what tells you it is slotted. If a program needs qt3 then it uses it. If it needs qt4 then it can use it. If you want to re-emerge qt3 manually, you can do it this way. emerge =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 will emerge qt3. Emerge knows to do qt3 because there is a equal sign in front that tells it the specific version you want to emerge. If you just type in emerge qt, it will emerge the highest version available but not the qt3 version. So, does this help any? Somebody speak up if I am mistaken somewhere. Dale It's certainly an aid, at least the bottom part (like i'd said, I;d foound several different Gentoo docs giving me descriptions of what slots are, so I knew that, just that there seem to be no docs anywhere I can locate IN Gentoo that tell you HOW to use slots. So, now I know that the parens signal the slot info, but how do I choose them, select one over anther, adn even to search for them in emerge? You gave nice examples, but do you see why I so much dislike examples when they come INSTEAD OF the full syntax description? Cause then you only learn what the example wants to show, and people don't present exhaustive examples, because (reasonably enough) examples aren't meant to be exhaustive, that's what the syntax explanations are for. I just wish that a rule would be promulgated in Gentoo documentation that no one could be allowed to present an example unless they'd gotten out a syntax explanation first. It won't happen, but I wish it would. :-) :-) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3BD9z62J6PPcoOkRAjigAJ0SaEtU28251Y0HG/HElyFkXg8p+QCbBEKs u097YBqaJKrRZ5IpMzy4iP4= =wK98 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
Chuck Robey wrote: It's certainly an aid, at least the bottom part (like i'd said, I;d foound several different Gentoo docs giving me descriptions of what slots are, so I knew that, just that there seem to be no docs anywhere I can locate IN Gentoo that tell you HOW to use slots. So, now I know that the parens signal the slot info, but how do I choose them, select one over anther, adn even to search for them in emerge? You gave nice examples, but do you see why I so much dislike examples when they come INSTEAD OF the full syntax description? Cause then you only learn what the example wants to show, and people don't present exhaustive examples, because (reasonably enough) examples aren't meant to be exhaustive, that's what the syntax explanations are for. I just wish that a rule would be promulgated in Gentoo documentation that no one could be allowed to present an example unless they'd gotten out a syntax explanation first. It won't happen, but I wish it would. Well, what is sloted is determined by the devs not us. I'm not sure that you can tell something to be slotted if it is not set up to be slotted. So, you don't have to worry about how to make something slotted. If it needs to be slotted, it will be done by the devs in the portage tree. I use equery a lot myself. Some use eix. Your preference. Use whichever you like. To find out what version(s) of a package you have installed, just do a equery list foo and it will list the version(s) that are installed. If you do a equery list -p foo then it will list what is installed followed by all the version(s) that are available. List means for it to list the ones installed. The -p from my understanding means to list all the packages in portage. I see your point about examples. I try to give a example then explain what each function does when needed. I sort of dislike the man pages too. Most of them may as well be Greek. No offense to the Greeks on this list tho. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 15 Mar 2008, at 13:35, Alan McKinnon wrote: ... The list software doesn't send a copy of a mail back to the same address as what sent it. It does here. This is pretty usual behaviour for any list run by a non-idiot (like this one) Usually it's a user-configurable option, obviously with a default setting that the admin can set. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On 15 Mar 2008, at 13:27, Norberto Bensa wrote: Chris Brennan wrote: How come I don't see my own posts to this list? You seem to be using google for mx... ;-) And to expand on that, this is an FAQ for Gmail users. http://tinyurl.com/32h53h http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/166636/ Stroller -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] PII Hangs while booting.
I've got an old PII Intergraph TD-225 PC that I'm trying to install Gentoo onto. Bios is AMIBIOS. The system supports dual CPU but only has one. It currently has WinXP running on it fine. But every Linux install/boot CD I've run (Gentoo, CentOS, Knoppix, etc.) hangs while booting (2.4 and 2.6 kernels). The last thing I see from the CentOS boot process is the following: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. SMP alternatives: switching to UP code Freeing SMP alternatives: 14k freed CPU0: Intel Pentium II (Klamath) stepping 03 Then it just hangs. CD can pop out and everything. Can anyone give me any idea what's going wrong? -- // Andrew MacKenzie | http://www.edespot.com // GPG public key: http://www.edespot.com/~amackenz/public.key // In man-machine symbiosis, it is man who must adjust: The machines // can't. // - Alan Perlis pgpdxYhuEMRVh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote: It's certainly an aid, at least the bottom part (like i'd said, I;d foound several different Gentoo docs giving me descriptions of what slots are, so I knew that, just that there seem to be no docs anywhere I can locate IN Gentoo that tell you HOW to use slots. So, now I know that the parens signal the slot info, but how do I choose them, select one over anther, adn even to search for them in emerge? *Sigh* You are still confusing things here. There are two completely different cases. Let's first look at an enduser package like KDE. Basically, there are two active slots at the moment: KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.0. Which one you use you can decide at the login screen under session. If, on the other hand, you want to get rid of 3.5, you unmerge it (not recommended yet). With unslotted packages, older ones get automatically deleted when you emerge a new one. With slotted packages, it's left to you to decide to get rid of an older one. There are other packages not of interest for endusers but necessary for emerging other packages. For example the autotools automake and autoconf. They are slotted as well. You better be *very* careful when unmerging one slot. Emerging one package needs version X of these tools, another version Y, and yet another one version Z. The packages to be emerged decide themselves which version of automake or autoconf they need. Uwe -- Informal Linux Group Namibia: http://www.linux.org.na/ SysEx (Pty) Ltd.: http://www.SysEx.com.na/ -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] jffs2 on gentoo
Florian Philipp pisze: On Fri, 2008-03-14 at 18:27 +, James wrote: Hello, I have a firewall that is built pretty minimally on a P3 and and old 4 gig ide disk: /dev/hda3 2068348 1668104400244 81% / /dev/hda1 100728 40452 60276 41% /boot I have a 4 gig Cf card (sandisk) and a ide-cf card that should make the CF card look like an ide hard drive. I've been searching for a wiki or something that describes the general sequence of events to migrate the existing gentoo system to the CF/ide disk, with no luck. I did find this page: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Mounting_a_block_device_with_JFFS2 But it seems vague(outdated) and missing many steps. Or am I confused? I'm just looking for some outline or verbose steps to replace an ide drive on a system with a CF/ide drive and jffs2, as I have many systems that I'd like to do this with, for core reliability on minimalistic gentoo servers. I plan on having additional space on these systems (when needed) via NFS. Any help or ideas are greatly appreciated. James As far as I know you won't need jffs2 (or any other fs for flash memory). It is meant to be used on embedded devices that directly access the flash memory. In your case, the CF-disk takes care of wear leveling. Just use ext2. However, you could still get problems because, as far as I know, wear leveling needs to be tuned for the FS and most probably no one tuned the CF-disk for ext2. Maybe you could use fat instead... I did this sort of system a while ago. I've used 1GB card with gentoo and cf-ide adapter. There are some tricky parts that nobody mentions. One of them is that I wasn't able to boot from my 1GB hard drive when it was connected via 80 pin ide cable, I've dig up some old 40 pin ata cable and it worked. Other things you have to remeber concern file system usage, you musn't create swap partition, disable local syslog, log rotation, turn everything except desired daemons etc. regards dexter
Re: [gentoo-user] PII Hangs while booting.
Andrew MacKenzie wrote: I've got an old PII Intergraph TD-225 PC that I'm trying to install Gentoo onto. Bios is AMIBIOS. The system supports dual CPU but only has one. It currently has WinXP running on it fine. But every Linux install/boot CD I've run (Gentoo, CentOS, Knoppix, etc.) hangs while booting (2.4 and 2.6 kernels). The last thing I see from the CentOS boot process is the following: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. SMP alternatives: switching to UP code Freeing SMP alternatives: 14k freed CPU0: Intel Pentium II (Klamath) stepping 03 Then it just hangs. CD can pop out and everything. Can anyone give me any idea what's going wrong? I looked at my dmesg and ACPI seems to come after that on mine. May want to try to disable that until some one else has other ideas. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: jffs2 on gentoo
Dan Farrell dan at spore.ath.cx writes: I have a 4 gig Cf card (sandisk) and a ide-cf card that should make the CF card look like an ide hard drive. http://gentoo-wiki.com/Mounting_a_block_device_with_JFFS2 But it seems vague(outdated) and missing many steps. Or am I confused? I'm just looking for some outline or verbose steps to replace an ide drive on a system with a CF/ide drive and jffs2, as I have many systems that I'd like to do this with, for core reliability on minimalistic gentoo servers. I plan on having additional space on these systems (when needed) via NFS. You shouldn't need to do anything special - just copy all files over exactly, and then set up GRUB on the CF card. Well, I've heard otherwise. Use jffs2 or the CF card will wear out prematurely... I should have been more specific on my questions. When using 'fdisk' to format the CF card: In section 4d of the handbook, I do not see a 'mkjffs2fs' command. So I'm confused as to how you put the jffs2 file system on a partition. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: jffs2 on gentoo
dexters84 dexters84 at gmail.com writes: I did this sort of system a while ago. I've used 1GB card with gentoo and cf-ide adapter. There are some tricky parts that nobody mentions. One of them is that I wasn't able to boot from my 1GB hard drive when it was connected via 80 pin ide cable, I've dig up some old 40 pin ata cable and it worked. Other things you have to remeber concern file system usage, you musn't create swap partition, disable local syslog, log rotation, turn everything except desired daemons etc. Where did you get the idea not to use swap? What file system did you use? James -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New Unofficial Gentoo Livecd 2008.Mar.13 available
Hi, News: Now the small version also available for download ~60MB Stage3 and portage snapshot also available for download. Cheers, István 2008. 03. 14, péntek keltezéssel 15.32-kor Pongracz Istvan ezt írta: Hi, Here is the new livecd (~230MB): http://www.osbusiness.hu/?lang=enpage_name=gentoolinux It is still based on the 2007.0 profile. Package list (eix -I) included, CD contents available. stage3, portage snapshot etc. included. And so on. Separate stage3 + snapshot + really small livecd will be available later. Cheers, István -- BSA. Mert megérdemlitek. Open Source. Mert megérdemlem. -- BSA. They value it. Open Source. The value. It. -- http://www.osbusiness.hu -- BSA. Mert megérdemlitek. Open Source. Mert megérdemlem. -- BSA. They value it. Open Source. The value. It. -- http://www.osbusiness.hu -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] hugin error message
Don't you think the error message should have been more specific about which library causes the conflict? Is it hugin error message? Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 13 March 2008, David Harel wrote: Hi, I emerged hugin-0.6.1-r2 (latest stable) with everything it depends on and when I run it I get: *$ hugin Fatal Error: Mismatch between the program and library build versions detected. The library used 2.6 (no debug,ANSI,compiler with C++ ABI 102,wx containers,compatible with 2.4), and your program used 2.6 (no debug,ANSI,compiler with C++ ABI 1002,wx containers,compatible with 2.4). Aborted* Which library? Any idea? No idea, but I'll bet revdep-rebuild does :-) revdep-rebuild is fine. # revdep-rebuild Configuring search environment for revdep-rebuild Checking reverse dependencies... Packages containing binaries and libraries broken by a package update will be emerged. Collecting system binaries and libraries... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.1_files) Collecting complete LD_LIBRARY_PATH... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.2_ldpath) Checking dynamic linking consistency... broken /usr/kde/3.5/lib/kde3/khotkeys_shared_arts.la (requires /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3.6/libstdc++.la) done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.3_rebuild) Assigning files to ebuilds... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.4_ebuilds) Evaluating package order... done. (/root/.revdep-rebuild.5_order) Dynamic linking on your system is consistent... All done. On second thoughts, maybe not. (it's still worth a try). Try run ldd on ldd givs a long list. obviously I don't want to reinstall that big of a list: $ ldd /usr/bin/hugin linux-gate.so.1 = (0xe000) libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2_xrc-2.6.so.0 (0xb7f2c000) libwx_gtk2_qa-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2_qa-2.6.so.0 (0xb7f0f000) libwx_gtk2_html-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2_html-2.6.so.0 (0xb7e82000) libwx_gtk2_adv-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2_adv-2.6.so.0 (0xb7ddf000) libwx_gtk2_core-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_gtk2_core-2.6.so.0 (0xb7a9) libwx_base_xml-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_base_xml-2.6.so.0 (0xb7a85000) libwx_base_net-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_base_net-2.6.so.0 (0xb7a5a000) libwx_base-2.6.so.0 = /usr/lib/libwx_base-2.6.so.0 (0xb78fd000) libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb75b5000) libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0xb7536000) libatk-1.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0xb751a000) libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0xb7503000) libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 (0xb74f9000) libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0xb74cb000) libpango-1.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0xb7491000) libcairo.so.2 = /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0xb742) libfontconfig.so.1 = /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0xb73f6000) libfreetype.so.6 = /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0xb737c000) libxml2.so.2 = /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 (0xb7268000) libXrender.so.1 = /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0xb726) libX11.so.6 = /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb7171000) libXau.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0xb716e000) libXdmcp.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xb7168000) libgobject-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0xb713) libgmodule-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0xb712c000) libdl.so.2 = /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb7128000) libgthread-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0xb7123000) libpthread.so.0 = /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb710c000) librt.so.1 = /lib/librt.so.1 (0xb7102000) libglib-2.0.so.0 = /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0xb7047000) libpano12.so.0 = /usr/lib/libpano12.so.0 (0xb6ff4000) libboost_thread-mt.so = /usr/lib/libboost_thread-mt.so (0xb6fe7000) libpng12.so.0 = /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0xb6fc4000) libtiff.so.3 = /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 (0xb6f71000) libjpeg.so.62 = /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0xb6f51000) libz.so.1 = /lib/libz.so.1 (0xb6f3e000) libstdc++.so.6 = /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb6e55000) libm.so.6 = /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb6e2f000) libc.so.6 = /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb6cfe000) libgcc_s.so.1 = /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb6cf2000) libXinerama.so.1 = /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0xb6ced000) libXxf86vm.so.1 = /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1 (0xb6ce8000) libstdc++.so.5 = /usr/lib/libstdc++-v3/libstdc++.so.5 (0xb6c3) libSDL-1.2.so.0 = /usr/lib/libSDL-1.2.so.0 (0xb6bd1000) libexpat.so.0 = /usr/lib/libexpat.so.0 (0xb6bb) libXcomposite.so.1 = /usr/lib/libXcomposite.so.1 (0xb6bac000) libXdamage.so.1 = /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1 (0xb6ba8000) libXfixes.so.3 = /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 (0xb6ba3000) libXext.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb6b95000) libXi.so.6 = /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0xb6b8b000)
Re: [gentoo-user] PII Hangs while booting.
On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 15:21 -0400, Andrew MacKenzie wrote: I've got an old PII Intergraph TD-225 PC that I'm trying to install Gentoo onto. Bios is AMIBIOS. The system supports dual CPU but only has one. It currently has WinXP running on it fine. But every Linux install/boot CD I've run (Gentoo, CentOS, Knoppix, etc.) hangs while booting (2.4 and 2.6 kernels). The last thing I see from the CentOS boot process is the following: Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK. SMP alternatives: switching to UP code Freeing SMP alternatives: 14k freed CPU0: Intel Pentium II (Klamath) stepping 03 Then it just hangs. CD can pop out and everything. Can anyone give me any idea what's going wrong? Typically, adding the boot parameter noapic (not noapci!) is the first thing one should try. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots, In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and both programs are happy. There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command. This morning, when I did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me: [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 USE=cups doc examples ipv6 opengl - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres - -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] What the heck does it mean to merge these? You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case, you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it again is unnecessary. -- Neil Bothwick Pedestrians come in two types: Quick or Dead. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Randomly dumb questions
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 16:31:53 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Is that so? Then will you, please, explain how do people get their original messages back? There's a copy already in their outbox? And a sane mailer (like say kmail) will have put the sent copy there already. The original goes in the outbox, the copy from the listserv is filtered into this folder. I certainly wouldn't want my own messages filtered out by the server, what if I send from another computer or a webmail server? -- Neil Bothwick Nice computers don't go down. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots, In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and both programs are happy. There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command. This morning, when I did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me: [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 USE=cups doc examples ipv6 opengl - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres - -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] What the heck does it mean to merge these? You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case, you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it again is unnecessary. I didn't think it was necessary to contradict you publicly, but I wasn't even aware of the ask option, and I most certainly never have ever used it, with the exception of when others give me command lines to run for them. I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, merging it. Never really penetrated my head. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3FO8z62J6PPcoOkRAnt3AJ985HXbpdMxqIoUHGVWobhamYE+rwCgnl80 Y5sSv/jJj6QfjU2/zIndXEg= =h0BW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jffs2 on gentoo
On 15 Mar 2008, at 20:08, James wrote: You shouldn't need to do anything special - just copy all files over exactly, and then set up GRUB on the CF card. Well, I've heard otherwise. Use jffs2 or the CF card will wear out prematurely... I've heard lots about using flashdrives for filesystems, but I've never read on a mailing list anything actually definitive on the subject. I find many posts to be confused. This comes up regularly on the mythtv-users list http://tinyurl.com/ 2z7s7h, and conclusions are vague. _As I understand it_, previous posters are right though - either use a device with built in wear-levelling (and a file-system it's aware of), OR use a wear-levelling filesystem. It's not clear what happens if you use a wear-levelling filesystem on a device with built in wear- levelling. Anecdotally, it won't work, your flash drive will die in no time (repeated often) and we used these all the time in my last job and never had one die on us (IIRC the latter guy worked on till systems, basically a PC with a touchscreen, and used SanDisk cards; it's unclear how much writing was done to the drive). Stroller's law: ask about using compact-flash camera memory in Linux PC applications, and you will receive many anecdotal hearsay replies. Corollary: just try it. No-one else frikkin' is! ... When using 'fdisk' to format the CF card: In section 4d of the handbook, I do not see a 'mkjffs2fs' command. $ eix -S jffs * sys-fs/mtd Available versions: 20040825 20050519 Homepage:http://sources.redhat.com/jffs2/ Description: JFFS2 is a log-structured file system designed for use on flash devices in embedded systems. $ if this doesn't provide the userspace tools, then the homepage prolly does. Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jffs2 on gentoo
On 15 Mar 2008, at 20:17, James wrote: dexters84 dexters84 at gmail.com writes: Other things you have to remeber concern file system usage, you musn't create swap partition, disable local syslog, log rotation, turn everything except desired daemons etc. Where did you get the idea not to use swap? Too many writes. (dexters writes disable local syslog, log rotation for the same reason) I believe the size of the writes can be relevant as well. In any case, swapfs was not designed for flash memory (see also Windows Vista's ReadyBoost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ ReadyBoost). Stroller. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jffs2 on gentoo
Stroller pisze: On 15 Mar 2008, at 20:17, James wrote: dexters84 dexters84 at gmail.com writes: Other things you have to remeber concern file system usage, you musn't create swap partition, disable local syslog, log rotation, turn everything except desired daemons etc. Where did you get the idea not to use swap? Too many writes. (dexters writes disable local syslog, log rotation for the same reason) I believe the size of the writes can be relevant as well. In any case, swapfs was not designed for flash memory (see also Windows Vista's ReadyBoost http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReadyBoost). Stroller. That was exactly my point. Systems based on cf card as hard drive are usually small - one function focused devices, hence there is no need for swap partition. To extend lifetime of cf card you have to minimize all possible read/writes to card. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] [ot tightvnc] No connections work
Are their some simple steps to get tightvnc to work and allow me to connect to windowsxp box on home lan? It's pretty impossible to tell what is supposed to be done from the man pages. Is running tightvnc from linux to a windows box likely to require endless jerking around and diddling with settings or is it something pretty simple and easy to get working? -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [ot tightvnc] No connections work
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are their some simple steps to get tightvnc to work and allow me to connect to windowsxp box on home lan? It's pretty impossible to tell what is supposed to be done from the man pages. Is running tightvnc from linux to a windows box likely to require endless jerking around and diddling with settings or is it something pretty simple and easy to get working? Please ignore this post... it got away before I put the details and I've gotten started now -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hmm odd ... everyone that has a key I've gotten automaticly Matt Nordhoff wrote: | I think it's funny that Enigmail isn't happy with any of the messages in | this thread. Mostly Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found, | one can't find the key to import. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3HSB8hUIAnGfls4RAu3LAJ0e9wNWNcv5ODpTqV1OfppLNLni8wCfdcIg 9/zEhDKtnP+bKqju+KBmujw= =qitH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] PII Hangs while booting.
+++ Florian Philipp [gentoo-user] [Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:00:20PM +0100]: On Sat, 2008-03-15 at 15:21 -0400, Andrew MacKenzie wrote: Then it just hangs. CD can pop out and everything. Can anyone give me any idea what's going wrong? Typically, adding the boot parameter noapic (not noapci!) is the first thing one should try. Good suggestions. I tried a few different parameters and it seems nosmp gets it booting. I think Linux is getting a little confused with the 'missing' CPU? Either way it seems to work now. Thanks! -- // Andrew MacKenzie | http://www.edespot.com // GPG public key: http://www.edespot.com/~amackenz/public.key // If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. // This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. // -- Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar pgpvjvnWQIhaQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 17:25:28 + Matt Nordhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's funny that Enigmail isn't happy with any of the messages in this thread. Mostly Error - No valid armored OpenPGP data block found, one can't find the key to import. Claws isn't happy with any of the messages in this thread either. The signatures validate but the message's have gpg crap everywhere. -- Ken69267 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck Robey wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote: I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots, In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and both programs are happy. There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command. This morning, when I did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me: [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 USE=cups doc examples ipv6 opengl - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres - -sqlite -xinerama 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] What the heck does it mean to merge these? You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case, you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it again is unnecessary. I didn't think it was necessary to contradict you publicly, but I wasn't even aware of the ask option, and I most certainly never have ever used it, with the exception of when others give me command lines to run for them. I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, merging it. Never really penetrated my head. Goddamn it, I sure didn;'t mean this to go public, damnit. Apologies all around, please. RRGHHH! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3H0uz62J6PPcoOkRApHSAJ9l0nCq5z3idA8qnkf4deurkWaWMwCbB7tA QWGT2yvBtEIj8TtSBIft47A= =EJMW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
Chris Brennan wrote: hmm odd ... everyone that has a key I've gotten automaticly Yeah, yours is the only one I'm having trouble with. :-P Can't find it on any of the key servers I've tried. (Note: Im kind of a PGP newbie. I didn't look very hard.) -- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Nordhoff wrote: | Chris Brennan wrote: | hmm odd ... everyone that has a key I've gotten automaticly | | Yeah, yours is the only one I'm having trouble with. :-P | | Can't find it on any of the key servers I've tried. | | (Note: Im kind of a PGP newbie. I didn't look very hard.) mmm then I will regenerate my key and resubmit it later tonight ... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFH3IlY8hUIAnGfls4RAvaDAJ9nwmgDs0iilpt8DHptnLCkW7pTcACdFbUO QD0SrdC4W+a+twgS58h0q/s= =DDye -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] [OFF TOPIC] PGP Messages Email clients
Chris Brennan wrote: Matt Nordhoff wrote: | Yeah, yours is the only one I'm having trouble with. :-P | | Can't find it on any of the key servers I've tried. | | (Note: Im kind of a PGP newbie. I didn't look very hard.) mmm then I will regenerate my key and resubmit it later tonight ... Where did you submit it to? I mostly tried subkeys.pgp.net. -- -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
