Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] test, if module was loaded with module option?
On 12/29/2008 02:32 PM, Marc Blumentritt wrote: is there a general way to test, if a kernel module was loaded with a module option and which module options were used? There is at least /sys/module/modulname/parameters/parametername If there is nothing else, one could at least compare each parameter to its default value or something like that. Attention, not everything in /sys/module _is_ a module, seems more like everything that is or _could_ be a module is there. If the moduleoption was set when booting, one could of course use /proc/cmdline, but I think that might be not exactly what you want. -cf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] test, if module was loaded with module option?
2008/12/31 Christian Franke cfchr...@yahoo.de: On 12/29/2008 02:32 PM, Marc Blumentritt wrote: is there a general way to test, if a kernel module was loaded with a module option and which module options were used? There is at least /sys/module/modulname/parameters/parametername If there is nothing else, one could at least compare each parameter to its default value or something like that. Attention, not everything in /sys/module _is_ a module, seems more like everything that is or _could_ be a module is there. If the moduleoption was set when booting, one could of course use /proc/cmdline, but I think that might be not exactly what you want. -cf -- Julien Porschen
Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?
Hi Daniel, Thanks for your response. I'll try to make some time to test your tips. You can also try booting a Fedora/Ubuntu/SuSE LiveCD, and see if with their kernel the same happens (given that suspend works on their LiveCD). If they manage to switch off the power to your USB-ports, that can give us a hint. That I can try, I still keep the Ubuntu (shame on me! :P) which I used to install Gentoo. Best regards, Damian.
Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?
LiveCD). If they manage to switch off the power to your USB-ports, that can give us a hint. That I can try, I still keep the Ubuntu (shame on me! :P) which I used to install Gentoo. Nope. I've booted with Ubuntu (damn it boots slow! :P) and after suspending the usb port was still yielding power. I guess it's better for me to find out if there actually is a way to prevent this. Best regards, Damian.
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge svgalib (1.9.25) fails with gentoo-sources-2.6.28
OK, this seems to be an already filed bug: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=252614
[gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus
This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called enthusiasts, I'll drop the question here ;) In KDE (3), when enabling the fade effect for menus, clicking on a menu results in a faint, high-pitched tone coming from somewhere inside the PC case. The tone lasts for the duration of the fade effect (should about 0.2 seconds). This is happening on more than one machines. You have to listen carefully to make out the sound, but it's there. So the question is simple: where does the sound come from and why?
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called enthusiasts, I'll drop the question here ;) In KDE (3), when enabling the fade effect for menus, clicking on a menu results in a faint, high-pitched tone coming from somewhere inside the PC case. The tone lasts for the duration of the fade effect (should about 0.2 seconds). This is happening on more than one machines. You have to listen carefully to make out the sound, but it's there. So the question is simple: where does the sound come from and why? I get something very similar when using any 3d application. I was thinking it is interference from the graphics device seeping into the sound card. Do you have sound card and speakers connected, if so, does it come out of the speakers or is it internal to the case? Not being an electronics engineer, i don't want to start taking my hardware to pieces and re-shield it all. It seems like I'm going to have to replace my old SB Audigy that's served me so well for years. I know it's not a definitive answer but it might point to the right direction. BTW, this happens in both gentoo and windows xp for me. Matt
Re: [gentoo-user] Open Source Family Tree software?
On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:05:48 -0800 Mark Knecht wrote: On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Daniel Pielmeier daniel.pielme...@googlemail.com wrote: Mark Knecht schrieb am 30.11.2008 00:29: It seems that gramps is doing something sort of like this but one wonders just how large their database is. Also, I'd hate for my wife to do a lot of work entering a few hundred people only to find she cannot use the gramps data with anything but gramps. Gramps has support for the GEDCOM format, which I remember was also used by another program I tried some years ago. GEDCOM is according to the gramps homepage an industry standard, so it should be possible to exchange your data with all other programs supporting this standard. http://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Features Cool. thanks. I suppose she can try entering just a few names and then see if she can talk to FTM. I'm not sure any of this is important to her. Just trying to get a bit ahead. Thanks, Mark As stated by others, gramps is in portage. It's a python app and works well with adequate hardware. (On a 500mhz geode with 256mb it's rather slow. On an AMD-64 with 4gb it's pleasantly fast). The newest (experimental) version is 3.0.4 which is working well for me. The previous version, 3.0.3, had some expectations about BerkeleyDB which could cause an unhandled exception. I'm not sure about exporting to FTM, but I was able to import without problems from FTM (which I used several years ago). I've also been able to transfer between Gramps and PAF using the GEDCOM format. (Note: PAF requires WINE). HTH, David
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus
Matt Harrison wrote: Nikos Chantziaras wrote: This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called enthusiasts, I'll drop the question here ;) In KDE (3), when enabling the fade effect for menus, clicking on a menu results in a faint, high-pitched tone coming from somewhere inside the PC case. The tone lasts for the duration of the fade effect (should about 0.2 seconds). This is happening on more than one machines. You have to listen carefully to make out the sound, but it's there. So the question is simple: where does the sound come from and why? I get something very similar when using any 3d application. I was thinking it is interference from the graphics device seeping into the sound card. I also get this in some 3D apps, especially benchmarks. Do you have sound card and speakers connected, if so, does it come out of the speakers or is it internal to the case? It's coming from the case, not the speakers. BTW, this happens in both gentoo and windows xp for me. Same here. The sound is loudest when running the Mother Nature test of 3DMark 03. Happening with every card I ever tried (an old Radeon 9800, an X1950XT and my current HD4870). Could be the graphics cards then. But it would be interesting to know why this is happening.
Re: [gentoo-user] Suspend to ram: correct behavior?
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 11:42:54 +0100 damian damian.o...@gmail.com wrote: LiveCD). If they manage to switch off the power to your USB-ports, that can give us a hint. That I can try, I still keep the Ubuntu (shame on me! :P) which I used to install Gentoo. Nope. I've booted with Ubuntu (damn it boots slow! :P) and after suspending the usb port was still yielding power. I guess it's better for me to find out if there actually is a way to prevent this. Best regards, Damian. I think USB ports normally give power even without the appropriate driver loaded. I know I have seen old computers used to charge USB devices they couldn't communicate with... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] KVM recognition changes in recent kernels
kernel 2.6.27-r7 and 2.6.28 and several other earlier kenels Summary: Anyone here know more details about the kernel settings and KVM switching? Details: (and inlined dmesg) I'm not exactly sure when or what kernel was in use when this change in behavior started but its been at least 2 mnths ago. Phenomena: I've used kvm switching for several yrs... Usually trouble free. I have 4 machines running thru a KVM switch including my main desktop running 2008 gentoo. The others are winXP I don't have the kvm model to hand but it is an IOGEAR 4 port USB I've noticed a change in recent mnths where until bootup is complete the kvm switch is not recogized. I see that thru several kernel upgrades and various kernel builds. I have to have a second keyboard connected direct if I want to mess around with grub or something... while testing kernels. But once bootup reaches the login prompt the KVM is in the loop, and I can use the kvm connected keyboard. In kernels somewhere back down the road the KVM was in the loop right from the start. Diagnosing is made harder by the fact that I've changed KVM switches twice in that time. However, with the current KVM there was a point where it was recognized immediately and available even at the grub screens. Unfortunately I didn't document any of this at the time. It appears the kernel has to have some of the `hid' settings enabled for the KVM to work at all so I'm wondering if some special setting is what is responsible for the change. I've found in recent experiments with 2.6.28 that at least these two settings must be set `y' or `m' in order for the KVM to work at all CONFIG_HIDRAW=y # near line 1269 (2.6.27-r7 .config) CONFIG_USB_HID=m # near line 1274 (2.6.27-r7 .config) It gets pretty complicated beyond those two trying to see if anything else will allow the KVM to be seen immediately. == I'm probably just not sharp eyed enough but I don't see anything relating to KVM in particular. The kvm works in this case but only after bootup completes. dmesg following recent boot of 2.6.28 BIOS EBDA/lowmem at: 0009fc00/0009fc00 Linux version 2.6.28-gentoo-hp (r...@reader) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Gentoo 4.3.2-r2 p1.5, pie-10.1.4) ) #5 Tue Dec 30 23:32:16 CST 2008 KERNEL supported cpus: Intel GenuineIntel AMD AuthenticAMD NSC Geode by NSC Cyrix CyrixInstead Centaur CentaurHauls Transmeta GenuineTMx86 Transmeta TransmetaCPU UMC UMC UMC UMC BIOS-provided physical RAM map: BIOS-e820: - 0009fc00 (usable) BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved) BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved) BIOS-e820: 0010 - 7fff (usable) BIOS-e820: 7fff - 7fff8000 (ACPI data) BIOS-e820: 7fff8000 - 8000 (ACPI NVS) BIOS-e820: fec0 - fec01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fee0 - fee01000 (reserved) BIOS-e820: fff0 - 0001 (reserved) DMI 2.3 present. AMI BIOS detected: BIOS may corrupt low RAM, working it around. last_pfn = 0x7fff0 max_arch_pfn = 0x10 kernel direct mapping tables up to 377fe000 @ 1-16000 ACPI: RSDP 000FA3A0, 0014 (r0 AMI ) ACPI: RSDT 7FFF, 002C (r1 AMIINT INTEL865 10 MSFT 97) ACPI: FACP 7FFF0030, 0081 (r1 AMIINT INTEL865 11 MSFT 97) ACPI: DSDT 7FFF0120, 37D5 (r1 INTELI865G 1000 MSFT 10D) ACPI: FACS 7FFF8000, 0040 ACPI: APIC 7FFF00C0, 005C (r1 AMIINT INTEL8659 MSFT 97) 1159MB HIGHMEM available. 887MB LOWMEM available. mapped low ram: 0 - 377fe000 low ram: - 377fe000 bootmap 00012000 - 00018f00 (6 early reservations) == bootmem [00 - 00377fe000] #0 [00 - 001000] BIOS data page == [00 - 001000] #1 [10 - 4ce398]TEXT DATA BSS == [10 - 4ce398] #2 [4cf000 - 4d2000]INIT_PG_TABLE == [4cf000 - 4d2000] #3 [09fc00 - 10]BIOS reserved == [09fc00 - 10] #4 [01 - 012000] PGTABLE == [01 - 012000] #5 [012000 - 019000] BOOTMAP == [012000 - 019000] Zone PFN ranges: DMA 0x0010 - 0x1000 Normal 0x1000 - 0x000377fe HighMem 0x000377fe - 0x0007fff0 Movable zone start PFN for each node early_node_map[2] active PFN ranges 0: 0x0010 - 0x009f 0: 0x0100 - 0x0007fff0 On node 0 totalpages: 524159 free_area_init_node: node 0, pgdat c045b544, node_mem_map c1000200 DMA zone: 32 pages used for memmap DMA zone: 0 pages reserved DMA zone: 3951 pages, LIFO batch:0 Normal zone: 1744 pages used for memmap Normal zone: 221486 pages, LIFO batch:31 HighMem zone: 2320 pages used for memmap HighMem zone: 294626 pages, LIFO batch:31 Movable zone: 0 pages used for memmap ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x808 Allocating PCI resources starting at 8800 (gap:
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus
On Wednesday 31 December 2008, 15:56, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It's coming from the case, not the speakers. BTW, this happens in both gentoo and windows xp for me. Same here. The sound is loudest when running the Mother Nature test of 3DMark 03. Happening with every card I ever tried (an old Radeon 9800, an X1950XT and my current HD4870). Could be the graphics cards then. But it would be interesting to know why this is happening. Google for coil whine or coil noise and see if it applies to your case. I had one Abit motherboard replaced because the noise it did was really unbearable, although hearing it change pitch depending on what you were doing was kind of cool.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote: On Wednesday 31 December 2008, 15:56, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: It's coming from the case, not the speakers. BTW, this happens in both gentoo and windows xp for me. Same here. The sound is loudest when running the Mother Nature test of 3DMark 03. Happening with every card I ever tried (an old Radeon 9800, an X1950XT and my current HD4870). Could be the graphics cards then. But it would be interesting to know why this is happening. Google for coil whine or coil noise and see if it applies to your case. I had one Abit motherboard replaced because the noise it did was really unbearable, although hearing it change pitch depending on what you were doing was kind of cool. I will investigate now I know what I can search for, and yes the pitch change was interesting. I once played a game for an hour before I notice d the sound was interference and not dark, moody music :D Thanks Matt
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] High-pitched sound from inside the PC when opening menus
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: This is a question that is off topic of course, but I'm not sure *where* it would be on-topic. Considering that Gentoo users are also often so-called enthusiasts, I'll drop the question here ;) In KDE (3), when enabling the fade effect for menus, clicking on a menu results in a faint, high-pitched tone coming from somewhere inside the PC case. The tone lasts for the duration of the fade effect (should about 0.2 seconds). This is happening on more than one machines. You have to listen carefully to make out the sound, but it's there. So the question is simple: where does the sound come from and why? I have a Core 2 Duo E6600, with Abit In9-32X Max motherboard and I get the loud hissing noise. It seems to basically happen during CPU load that is not balanced between the two cores. In other words, if both cores are idle or both cores are busy, there is no noise, but if only one core is busy it makes a loud hissing sound. I've heard a similar noise coming from the video card (I've assumed) on an IBM laptop. Whenever there is heavy video I/O it makes a hissing sound. I can't remember the exact reasoning, but I do recall being told it's normal and that it varies from one system to another, even with the same hardware. I think it's related to capacitors or voltage regulator or something like that. (I am not an electrical engineer) When trying KDE4 with all the desktop effects, it was really annoying, everything I did would cause the hissing noise, presumably because it's using more CPU load to do basic things. So, in other words, it's normal. :) Paul
Re: [gentoo-user] KVM recognition changes in recent kernels
Harry Putnam wrote: I have to have a second keyboard connected direct if I want to mess around with grub or something... while testing kernels. The kernel isn't even loaded at that point so how can you blame it? It looks like a hardware/BIOS problem to me from what you have said. FWIW, I am currently running Kernel 2.6.28 on 8 machines through a Starview 8 port KVM without any problems. Be lucky, Neil
[gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
Hi, I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 or so. It's a pretty large document since it has both English and Spanish. I did re-emerge Kpdf, both versions of qt that I have on here and even glibc. Those are the things mentioned in the crash report. It still crashes. Could this be something besides Kpdf? Anybody else see something in the crash log? Here is the crash log: (no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library /lib/libthread_db.so.1. (no debugging symbols found) SNIP [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb697e6d0 (LWP 25418)] [New Thread 0xb5c3db90 (LWP 25485)] (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) SNIP 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #0 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #1 0xb74955bc in QApplication::guiThreadAwake () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #2 0xb70bac22 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #3 0xb71210f0 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #4 0xb7120f76 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #5 0xb710a4af in QApplication::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x0805005c in ?? () #7 0xbfc8ff50 in ?? () #8 0xbfc90050 in ?? () #9 0x in ?? () I snipped out the repeating stuff. Thoughts? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P.S. I bought the phone really cheap. I just feel like I stole it. LOL
[gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.
Dale rdalek1967 at gmail.com writes: attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. tried acroread? works great for me. ymmv, James
[gentoo-user] Re: Thanks and bye for now
Nikos Chantziaras realnc at arcor.de writes: Then something is wrong with your box or it isn't powerful enough. It isn't. Works perfectly in mine. Same here (at home.) Nikos, I had a problem with a dual (amd) machine once. I dropped MAKEOPTS=-j3 to -j1 for a while and the workstation was fine. After some months I rebuild every thing and it was then fine. to use -j2. I'd be curious to see how it affect your problem with -j1 set? James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.
James wrote: Dale rdalek1967 at gmail.com writes: attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. tried acroread? works great for me. ymmv, James I did use something else to finish reading my manual but I prefer to use Kpdf since I am accustomed to it already. I just want to try and get it fixed for next time plus, it may be a bug that needs some Raid sprayed on it. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.
Dale rdalek1967 at gmail.com writes: I did use something else to finish reading my manual but I prefer to use Kpdf since I am accustomed to it already. I just want to try and get it fixed for next time plus, it may be a bug that needs some Raid sprayed on it. All of the open source *pdf readers have had problems over the years. Sporadic and hard to find, in my experiences. The more sophisticated pdf files especially. good luck. James
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
You wanna post the PDF? I'd be curious to see if it crashes kpdf on my system... -- Matt On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 or so. It's a pretty large document since it has both English and Spanish. I did re-emerge Kpdf, both versions of qt that I have on here and even glibc. Those are the things mentioned in the crash report. It still crashes. Could this be something besides Kpdf? Anybody else see something in the crash log? Here is the crash log: (no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library /lib/libthread_db.so.1. (no debugging symbols found) SNIP [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb697e6d0 (LWP 25418)] [New Thread 0xb5c3db90 (LWP 25485)] (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) SNIP 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #0 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #1 0xb74955bc in QApplication::guiThreadAwake () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #2 0xb70bac22 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #3 0xb71210f0 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #4 0xb7120f76 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #5 0xb710a4af in QApplication::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x0805005c in ?? () #7 0xbfc8ff50 in ?? () #8 0xbfc90050 in ?? () #9 0x in ?? () I snipped out the repeating stuff. Thoughts? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P.S. I bought the phone really cheap. I just feel like I stole it. LOL
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
Matt Causey wrote: You wanna post the PDF? I'd be curious to see if it crashes kpdf on my system... -- Matt On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 or so. It's a pretty large document since it has both English and Spanish. I did re-emerge Kpdf, both versions of qt that I have on here and even glibc. Those are the things mentioned in the crash report. It still crashes. Could this be something besides Kpdf? Anybody else see something in the crash log? Here is the crash log: (no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library /lib/libthread_db.so.1. (no debugging symbols found) SNIP [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb697e6d0 (LWP 25418)] [New Thread 0xb5c3db90 (LWP 25485)] (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) SNIP 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #0 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #1 0xb74955bc in QApplication::guiThreadAwake () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #2 0xb70bac22 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #3 0xb71210f0 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #4 0xb7120f76 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #5 0xb710a4af in QApplication::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x0805005c in ?? () #7 0xbfc8ff50 in ?? () #8 0xbfc90050 in ?? () #9 0x in ?? () I snipped out the repeating stuff. Thoughts? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P.S. I bought the phone really cheap. I just feel like I stole it. LOL It is pretty big so I'll post a link. http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx Just click on the link to download the manual. I think it is about 4 or 5Mbs or so. I'm on dialup so it takes me a little while. This may also be a bas download. In my searches on google, someone mentioned a bad/missing font could cause that but I got a lot of fonts installed on here. Thanks Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kpdf crashes with large documents.
James wrote: Dale rdalek1967 at gmail.com writes: I did use something else to finish reading my manual but I prefer to use Kpdf since I am accustomed to it already. I just want to try and get it fixed for next time plus, it may be a bug that needs some Raid sprayed on it. All of the open source *pdf readers have had problems over the years. Sporadic and hard to find, in my experiences. The more sophisticated pdf files especially. good luck. James This is the first time I have had trouble with it crashing like this. I don't use one enough to try to learn another one tho. Plus, that would be one more package to keep up to date. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
quoth the Dale: Matt Causey wrote: You wanna post the PDF? I'd be curious to see if it crashes kpdf on my system... -- Matt On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 or so. It's a pretty large document since it has both English and Spanish. I did re-emerge Kpdf, both versions of qt that I have on here and even glibc. Those are the things mentioned in the crash report. It still crashes. Could this be something besides Kpdf? Anybody else see something in the crash log? Here is the crash log: (no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library /lib/libthread_db.so.1. (no debugging symbols found) SNIP [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb697e6d0 (LWP 25418)] [New Thread 0xb5c3db90 (LWP 25485)] (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) SNIP 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #0 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #1 0xb74955bc in QApplication::guiThreadAwake () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #2 0xb70bac22 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #3 0xb71210f0 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #4 0xb7120f76 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #5 0xb710a4af in QApplication::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x0805005c in ?? () #7 0xbfc8ff50 in ?? () #8 0xbfc90050 in ?? () #9 0x in ?? () I snipped out the repeating stuff. Thoughts? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P.S. I bought the phone really cheap. I just feel like I stole it. LOL It is pretty big so I'll post a link. http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.a spx Just click on the link to download the manual. I think it is about 4 or 5Mbs or so. I'm on dialup so it takes me a little while. Sorry to rub it in Dale, but it took 12 seconds to download here. And yes, it crashed my kpdf ... and my xpdf. Oddly, KGhostView renders it fine. Something fishy... Thanks Dale :-) :-) -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
Well...I've seen more than one dodgy PDF document crash readers before. Seems that there must be features or fonts (as mentioned earlier...) which can crash readers that were not written by Adobe... On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 10:44 PM, darren kirby bulli...@badcomputer.org wrote: quoth the Dale: Matt Causey wrote: You wanna post the PDF? I'd be curious to see if it crashes kpdf on my system... -- Matt On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I recently stole me a Motorola Razr phone and it didn't come with the manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was reading, or attempting to read, it when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 or so. It's a pretty large document since it has both English and Spanish. I did re-emerge Kpdf, both versions of qt that I have on here and even glibc. Those are the things mentioned in the crash report. It still crashes. Could this be something besides Kpdf? Anybody else see something in the crash log? Here is the crash log: (no debugging symbols found) Using host libthread_db library /lib/libthread_db.so.1. (no debugging symbols found) SNIP [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] [New Thread 0xb697e6d0 (LWP 25418)] [New Thread 0xb5c3db90 (LWP 25485)] (no debugging symbols found) (no debugging symbols found) SNIP 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #0 0xb716a568 in QObject::activate_signal () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #1 0xb74955bc in QApplication::guiThreadAwake () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #2 0xb70bac22 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #3 0xb71210f0 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #4 0xb7120f76 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #5 0xb710a4af in QApplication::exec () from /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #6 0x0805005c in ?? () #7 0xbfc8ff50 in ?? () #8 0xbfc90050 in ?? () #9 0x in ?? () I snipped out the repeating stuff. Thoughts? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P.S. I bought the phone really cheap. I just feel like I stole it. LOL It is pretty big so I'll post a link. http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.a spx Just click on the link to download the manual. I think it is about 4 or 5Mbs or so. I'm on dialup so it takes me a little while. Sorry to rub it in Dale, but it took 12 seconds to download here. And yes, it crashed my kpdf ... and my xpdf. Oddly, KGhostView renders it fine. Something fishy... Thanks Dale :-) :-) -d -- darren kirby :: Part of the problem since 1976 :: http://badcomputer.org ...the number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected... - Dennis Ritchie and Ken Thompson, June 1972
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
darren kirby wrote: quoth the Dale: It is pretty big so I'll post a link. http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.a spx Just click on the link to download the manual. I think it is about 4 or 5Mbs or so. I'm on dialup so it takes me a little while. Sorry to rub it in Dale, but it took 12 seconds to download here. And yes, it crashed my kpdf ... and my xpdf. Oddly, KGhostView renders it fine. Something fishy... Thanks Dale :-) :-) -d About the broadband. :-P LOL I used Kghostview here and it worked fine. I even printed it with it. No problem there. Anybody think of anything else I can re-emerge that may help? Here is my current emerge and USE flags: r...@smoker / # emerge -pv glibc =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 =x11-libs/qt-4.3.3 kpdf These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 USE=cups gif ipv6 opengl sqlite -debug -doc -examples -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -xinerama 0 kB [ebuild R ] sys-libs/glibc-2.6.1 USE=-debug -gd -glibc-omitfp (-hardened) (-multilib) -nls -profile (-selinux) -vanilla 0 kB [ebuild R ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.3 USE=accessibility cups dbus gif jpeg opengl png qt3support sqlite ssl tiff zlib -debug -doc -examples -firebird -glib -mng -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite3 -xinerama INPUT_DEVICES=-wacom 0 kB [ebuild R ] kde-base/kpdf-3.5.10 USE=-debug 0 kB Total: 4 packages (4 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB r...@smoker / # I'm clueless. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
So, like a good gentoo user I'm emerging some updates available for my system. To my surprise when I happen to look at the screen (as it's taking some time to build and I'm obviously not watching the entire time), I see this: * * WARNING * * * You are currently installing a version of nvidia-drivers that is * known not to work with a video card you have installed on your * system. If this is intentional, please ignore this. If it is not * please perform the following steps: * * Add the following mask entry to /etc/portage/package.mask by * echo =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-177.0.0 /etc/portage/package.mask * * Failure to perform the steps above could result in a non-working * X setup. * * For more information please read: * http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_32667.html * You must be in the video group to use the NVIDIA device * For more info, read the docs at * http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/nvidia-guide.xml#doc_chap3_sect6 * * This ebuild installs a kernel module and X driver. Both must * match explicitly in their version. This means, if you restart * X, you most modprobe -r nvidia before starting it back up * * To use the NVIDIA GLX, run eselect opengl set nvidia * * nVidia has requested that any bug reports submitted have the * output of /usr/bin/nvidia-bug-report.sh included. * * To work with compiz, you must enable the AddARGBGLXVisuals option. * * If you are having resolution problems, try disabling DynamicTwinView. Sure enough, X no longer works. I'm following the instructions now, but... Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of breaking my system? Not impressed. Hopefully this critical message would be summarized at the end of the build too. Kind of important. I got lucky and happened to see it... Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpf78ENYCqG9.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps
Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with the latest version of a software package I am left to question the entire philosophy in gentoo of always running bleeding edge. Not touching a system that's working is becoming far more tempting, and I'm curious as to what others here have to say about that. Part of the point of running Linux for me is to save money and run older hardware, but that doesn't work if the latest versions of the software that I like to use abandons that hardware. What do the rest of you do in preparation for regular upgrades? On BSD there was a /usr/ports/UPDATING file that I should check for notes on potential problems with upgrades before performing them. What's the best way to check if picking up a newer package could break my system? Ideally a way that isn't prohibitively time-consuming... Thanks, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpNVj2zf9YMf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Kpdf crashes with large documents.
081231 darren kirby wrote: On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:59 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I recently stole a Motorola Razr phone which didn't come with manual. I downloaded it off the Motorola website and was attempting to read, when Kpdf crashed. It does this when I scroll down to about page 30 . http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/motorola-razr-v3i_user-manual.aspx it crashed my kpdf and my xpdf. Oddly, KGhostView renders it fine. Something fishy... Same here on a generally stable Gentoo on which Kpdf Xpdf are reliable. IIRC i've seen rare cases of this before, when KGV saved the day. The problem here happens with certain pages in the file, eg p 10 ; some later pages, eg pp 11-12 , are ok. There must be something in a few pages which is not correct PDF format. Has anyone searched Gentoo Forum/Bugs or KDE bugs ? Anyway, it's clearly a bug in Kpdf, which sb reported. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KVM recognition changes in recent kernels
On 31 Dec 2008, at 06:44, Harry Putnam wrote: ... I've noticed a change in recent mnths where until bootup is complete the kvm switch is not recogized. I see that thru several kernel upgrades and various kernel builds. Please confirm that you are able to enter the BIOS using the KVM the usual keyboard shortcut key (ESC, f2, f10, whatever). I don't have the kvm model to hand but it is an IOGEAR 4 port USB ... I have to have a second keyboard connected direct if I want to mess around with grub or something... while testing kernels. But once bootup reaches the login prompt the KVM is in the loop, and I can use the kvm connected keyboard. Some (many?) BIOS have settings for support of USB keyboard, HID / or legacy USB. If your KVM is connecting to the PC by USB then you may wish to check these. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:33, Michael P. Soulier wrote: ... Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of breaking my system? That proposal is ludicrous and completely counter to the Unix way of doing things. Not my opinion, just quoting. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] pre-emerge steps
On 31 Dec 2008, at 23:51, Michael P. Soulier wrote: Having just been bitten by some of my hardware being abandoned with the latest version of a software package I am left to question the entire philosophy in gentoo of always running bleeding edge. Not touching a system that's working is becoming far more tempting, and I'm curious as to what others here have to say about that. I think what you should be asking is why upstream have stopped supporting your hardware. Hopefully they'll be able to give a good reason for doing so. IMO the Gentoo philosophy is not to run bleeding edge, but just to install from upstream, keeping it as pure and unchanged as possible. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca writes: Sure enough, X no longer works. I'm following the instructions now, but... Don't you think the default action here should be to do nothing instead of breaking my system? I think that the default action should be that such 'breakages' should be checked during the dependency building phase, a message displayed and the emerge stop[0]. Then you could either mask the offending package or issue a special flag[1] to emerge to acknowledge the 'problem' but install/upgrade the package anyway. [0] As with package blockers. [1] A new flag, something like '--unsafe'
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: Not impressed. Hopefully this critical message would be summarized at the end of the build too. Kind of important. I got lucky and happened to see it... it was. Also: elog and elogv the tools are there. It is your fault of not using them.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: it was. Also: elog and elogv the tools are there. It is your fault of not using them. Great, please demonstrate how I was to know about this breakage before it happened, and I'll change how I use the tools. Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpxV9iiQAqAl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
On 01/01/09 Graham Murray said: I think that the default action should be that such 'breakages' should be checked during the dependency building phase, a message displayed and the emerge stop[0]. Then you could either mask the offending package or issue a special flag[1] to emerge to acknowledge the 'problem' but install/upgrade the package anyway. [0] As with package blockers. [1] A new flag, something like '--unsafe' I completely agree. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpeepqUcOO6E.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: it was. Also: elog and elogv the tools are there. It is your fault of not using them. Great, please demonstrate how I was to know about this breakage before it happened, and I'll change how I use the tools. Cheers, Mike after the emerge you read the messages with elogv and downgrade. No harm done.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: after the emerge you read the messages with elogv and downgrade. No harm done. I'll be sure to try that, thank you. However, would not avoiding a bad upgrade in the first place be a better-behaved tool? Especially when the package in question knew that it was likely incompatible? I'm not saying that this could not be avoided with more work, I'm saying that I shouldn't have to if the tools were better behaved. Cheers, Mike -- Michael P. Soulier msoul...@digitaltorque.ca Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction. --Albert Einstein pgpvQiiWRZS2y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia warning comes a tad late
On Donnerstag 01 Januar 2009, Michael P. Soulier wrote: On 01/01/09 Volker Armin Hemmann said: after the emerge you read the messages with elogv and downgrade. No harm done. I'll be sure to try that, thank you. However, would not avoiding a bad upgrade in the first place be a better-behaved tool? Especially when the package in question knew that it was likely incompatible? I'm not saying that this could not be avoided with more work, I'm saying that I shouldn't have to if the tools were better behaved. Cheers, Mike how should 'the tool' know what card you are using? and even if portage could parse lspci output - why make it slower and more easily to break if all breakage can be avoided by simply reading first - then upgrading? Do you always install the latest drivers without reading up on them first? Nvidia's 'deprecation' strategy is a pain in the ass and they are doing it for a long time now. So this time it bit you. Next time it will be 6XXX card users, then 7XXX card users and so on. That is why you have to go to nvnews first and then upgrade. Not the other way round.
