Re: [gentoo-user] Lost free space on /
Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 00:44:51 schrieb Philip Webb: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ? No. I'm so used to it I can't even imagine that people still use DOS style partitions ;) Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost free space on /
On Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 00:44:51 schrieb Philip Webb: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ? No. I'm so used to it I can't even imagine that people still use DOS style partitions ;) Bye... Dirk and others don't suggest it because it easily breaks.
[gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /
On 06/11/2009 10:06 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 00:44:51 schrieb Philip Webb: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote: But how many space on hard disk for it will be good? I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ? No. I'm so used to it I can't even imagine that people still use DOS style partitions ;) I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute while without LVM they give sub-second responses.)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerging procmail failure
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:04:33 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: man ebuild I see no hits at all on either `overlay' or `layman' in man ebuild. There must be more to the story than just running ebuild commands. And expect the modified ebuild to be accepted by emerge. That's because the instruction should have been man 5 ebuild. You're looking at the man page for the ebuild command. -- Neil Bothwick Why is the word abbreviation so long? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /
Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:33:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute while without LVM they give sub-second responses.) Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen this and I use LVM since it first appeared on Linux. On Laptops, I even encrypt the logical volumes without a significant speed impact. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: PyQt4-4.5 and pykde4-4.2.4 blockers
On Thursday 11 June 2009 05:18:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/11/2009 06:11 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I recommend putting -python in your make.conf followed by emerge -auDN world and then a depclean along with revdev-rebuild. You might have to enable python in a few packages after that though and disable it in others. In my case: echo dev-libs/libxml2 python /etc/portage/package.use Just follow the messages that tell you to enable the python USE flag in specific packages. It's much cleaner to enable it only in packages that actually need it rather than globally (which drags along PyQt and PyKDE.) So is it more or less correct to say that USE=python gives you python plugins for most packages? There could be other uses of course, but is that the most common? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /
On Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:33:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute while without LVM they give sub-second responses.) Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen this and I use LVM since it first appeared on Linux. On Laptops, I even encrypt the logical volumes without a significant speed impact. Bye... Dirk or you never 'saw' the impact because you are used to it.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /
Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:49:02 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: or you never 'saw' the impact because you are used to it. Errh, no. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: PyQt4-4.5 and pykde4-4.2.4 blockers
On 06/11/2009 10:39 AM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 11 June 2009 05:18:18 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/11/2009 06:11 AM, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: I recommend putting -python in your make.conf followed by emerge -auDN world and then a depclean along with revdev-rebuild. You might have to enable python in a few packages after that though and disable it in others. In my case: echo dev-libs/libxml2 python /etc/portage/package.use Just follow the messages that tell you to enable the python USE flag in specific packages. It's much cleaner to enable it only in packages that actually need it rather than globally (which drags along PyQt and PyKDE.) So is it more or less correct to say that USE=python gives you python plugins for most packages? There could be other uses of course, but is that the most common? The flag itself is a global one and says Adds support/bindings for the Python language. That can mean a lot of things. Usually it's Python bindings. And also usually, if you're not sure what it does, you don't need it. If you enable something (like some cool looking plugin or added functionality) that would require enabling the python flag, portage will tell you so when you try to emerge. For example: !!! Multiple package instances within a single package slot have been !!! pulled into the dependency graph, resulting in a slot conflict: [...] New USE for 'dev-libs/libxml2:2' are incorrectly set. In order to solve this, adjust USE to satisfy '=dev-libs/libxml2-2.6.12[python]'. Of course, the ebuild has to support this too, otherwise you will get a compilation error when emerge goes ahead to tries to build the package.
[gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /
On 06/11/2009 10:40 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:33:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute while without LVM they give sub-second responses.) Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen this and I use LVM since it first appeared on Linux. On Laptops, I even encrypt the logical volumes without a significant speed impact. It's only there where's disk activity. For example, if I have 4 or more torrents downloading. When that happens, typing mc (to start midnight commander) needs about 4 seconds. It's almost instant without LVM. The speed impact on one of my servers (100+ shell users) was dramatic. 10 seconds for a simple ls / for example.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: solved
2009/6/9 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: 2009/6/9 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com: 2009/6/9 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net: After the usual night's sleep to clear the cerebral tmp files I thought of starting the new day in KDE to try fixing things there. I swapped to my KDE version of ~/.xinitrc then did 'startx' yes the desktop menus the panel menu had vanished. Then I started Krusader, got the 'open with' box for a text file told it to open the file with Leafpad: it did some updating obeyed. After that, the other default 'open with' apps worked as before the KDE menus had been restored. To get Apwal back with L-mouse I had to use the KDE Control Centre 'desktop behaviour' re-apply it. So everything is back to normal Krusader behaves properly on Fluxbox too. Thanks Phillip. Did you get any apps in the 'Open With' menu list? Mine is empty. To get any application to open a file I have to type it manually (or choose one from the cached drop down entries in the Open With panel). I ran kate %U, but nothing much happened. :( Will try to repeat all this in a KDE session just in case. Meanwhile, what does your /home/user/.config/menus/applications.menu look like. Mine is empty and comes up with the error shown below: $ kbuildsycoca --menutest Warning: kbuildsycoca is unable to register with DCOP. kbuildsycoca running... kbuildsycoca running... Reusing existing ksycoca kbuildsycoca: WARNING: Parse error in /home/michael/.config/menus/applications.menu, line 1, col 1: unexpected end of file Fixed it! I had to delete /home/michael/.config/menus/applications.menu, then change my setup to login using kdm/KDE instead xdm/fluxbox and this time kbuildsycoca worked. Phew! All my menus are back, Kleopatra works fine, and kcontrol has a list on the LH side. Getting back to fluxbox works as normal again. Thanks for the pointer! :) It seems that the elog message was implying that one must be using KDE as a DE rather than individual applications. Blast! I spoke too soon. This morning same story ... Menus are not present and running $ kfmclient openProfile webbrowsing kbuildsycoca running... kfmclient: ERROR: Couldn't start konqueror from konqueror.desktop: Could not find service 'konqueror.desktop'. brings up the same error. :( There must be a more intelligent fix to this than me booting into KDE every time I want to use a KDE application ? What's up with your KDE menu Phillip? Were you able to make the changes stick? -- Regards, Mick
[gentoo-user] Fonts and OpenOffice
Hi, I am using OpenOffice and am missing the Helvetica font. If I run fc-list: ~ $ fc-list | grep -i helv Helvetica:style=Oblique Helvetica:style=Bold Helvetica:style=Regular Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique It seems that the Helvetica fonts are installed on my system. Nevertheless, they don't show up in OpenOffice. Any tips on how to use them in Oo? Thanks! -- Best regards, Marco
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:17:37 +0300 Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: It's only there where's disk activity. For example, if I have 4 or more torrents downloading. When that happens, typing mc (to start midnight commander) needs about 4 seconds. It's almost instant without LVM. The speed impact on one of my servers (100+ shell users) was dramatic. 10 seconds for a simple ls / for example. It's not like LVM is modelling the universe' operation on your CPU, but that's where impact should be, while disk activity (and data written) should be roughly the same, aside from possible fragmentation if you (re)create lv's on a daily basis, so prehaps it's not the disk but the cpu where's the real bottleneck is? -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /
On 06/11/2009 04:52 PM, Mike Kazantsev wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:17:37 +0300 Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: It's only there where's disk activity. For example, if I have 4 or more torrents downloading. When that happens, typing mc (to start midnight commander) needs about 4 seconds. It's almost instant without LVM. The speed impact on one of my servers (100+ shell users) was dramatic. 10 seconds for a simple ls / for example. It's not like LVM is modelling the universe' operation on your CPU, but that's where impact should be, while disk activity (and data written) should be roughly the same, aside from possible fragmentation if you (re)create lv's on a daily basis, so prehaps it's not the disk but the cpu where's the real bottleneck is? I know it's not the CPU since there's 'top' to check this.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerging procmail failure
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Harry Putnamrea...@newsguy.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Harry Putnamrea...@newsguy.com wrote: Yes... except _OH CRAP_ I've forgotten whatever little tiny skill I once had to add a patch into the emerge process manually. man ebuild HTH :) Doesn't any manual patching have to be done in an overlay? My own portage setup. Then stepped thru with ebuild to get it accepted by emerge? I see no hits at all on either `overlay' or `layman' in man ebuild. There must be more to the story than just running ebuild commands. And expect the modified ebuild to be accepted by emerge. Sorry, I was thinking you would apply the patch manually as a one-off... which you could do by unpacking using the ebuild command, applying patch, then compiling/merging it. If you want to make your own ebuild then yes you'd most likely want to put it in an overlay.
Re: [gentoo-user] PyQt4-4.5 and pykde4-4.2.4 blockers
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Today's sync includes PyQt4-4.5 which is blocked by pykde4-4.2.4 (incompatible and build issues). Apparently pykde4-4.3 will fix this, but meanwhile I need to get emerge world to run and complete. It looks like this is all sorted out in the latest portage tree, as pykde has been updated.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fonts and OpenOffice
Marco schrieb: Hi, I am using OpenOffice and am missing the Helvetica font. If I run fc-list: ~ $ fc-list | grep -i helv Helvetica:style=Oblique Helvetica:style=Bold Helvetica:style=Regular Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique It seems that the Helvetica fonts are installed on my system. Nevertheless, they don't show up in OpenOffice. Any tips on how to use them in Oo? At least on my system, Helvetica is a bitmap font. OOo doesn't seem to put these in its font list. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] [OT] ESATA drive changes the root device -- how to deal with it?
Okay, my root partition is on /dev/sda (normally), which is a sata drive connected to the onboard sata controller. The problem is that I also have a plug-in ESATA docking station, which is not always powered on. When it *is* powered on, my kernel names the disk /dev/sda, and that forces the root device to be named /dev/sdb instead of sda. Crashing ensues during bootup. The machine's BIOS doesn't even recognize the ESATA controller, so I can't fiddle with anything there. Anyone have any ideas how to get a kernel to mount the root partition based on the pci slot number or something equivalent? I've tried using a disk label in fstab instead of a device name, but the problem is that the kernel mounts the wrong partition before it has a chance to read fstab. I've also tried using rdev to set the root device to the disk's major and minor numbers but that fails because the kernel switches the minor device numbers along with the device names. Any clues would be much appreciated.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] ESATA drive changes the root device -- how to deal with it?
On Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009, walt wrote: Okay, my root partition is on /dev/sda (normally), which is a sata drive connected to the onboard sata controller. The problem is that I also have a plug-in ESATA docking station, which is not always powered on. When it *is* powered on, my kernel names the disk /dev/sda, and that forces the root device to be named /dev/sdb instead of sda. Crashing ensues during bootup. The machine's BIOS doesn't even recognize the ESATA controller, so I can't fiddle with anything there. Anyone have any ideas how to get a kernel to mount the root partition based on the pci slot number or something equivalent? I've tried using a disk label in fstab instead of a device name, but the problem is that the kernel mounts the wrong partition before it has a chance to read fstab. I've also tried using rdev to set the root device to the disk's major and minor numbers but that fails because the kernel switches the minor device numbers along with the device names. Any clues would be much appreciated. afaik you can use labels in grub too.
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] ESATA drive changes the root device -- how to deal with it?
Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 17:32:18 schrieb walt: I've tried using a disk label in fstab instead of a device name, but the problem is that the kernel mounts the wrong partition before it has a chance to read fstab. fstab is the wrong place. It should be on the kernel command line (that thing you configure in your bootloader's config). HTH... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fonts and OpenOffice
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Florian Philippli...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Marco schrieb: Hi, I am using OpenOffice and am missing the Helvetica font. If I run fc-list: ~ $ fc-list | grep -i helv Helvetica:style=Oblique Helvetica:style=Bold Helvetica:style=Regular Helvetica:style=Bold Oblique It seems that the Helvetica fonts are installed on my system. Nevertheless, they don't show up in OpenOffice. Any tips on how to use them in Oo? At least on my system, Helvetica is a bitmap font. OOo doesn't seem to put these in its font list. Hi, how can i see if a font is a bitmap or a truetype? -- Regards, Marco
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost free space on /
KH ha scritto: I totaly do agree with you. There has been nothing indicated to give a one out of one answer. In case someone is a noob, ( I am still one because I don't no anything about how everything is working) what you just wrote is the answer. Like what are your needs and what resurces do you have? Like I don't think it was something like do my homework but more like I don't even know what to look for. At least telling him what to look for would be useful. I for example still have no idea, and it's after reading this thread that I checked the size of my /var directory for the first time in 5 years. Often googling for something is leading to lists where absolutly no help can be found because someone writes something like: what can I do. secend replays like: do A. Frst: cool this did it for me. In the end nobody else can use this solution because it is just not EXACT. Isn't do A if you are in situation X , because of Z the right pattern? m.
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost free space on /
bn and KH, exuse me if I send not a good question, I have no many experience yet :) bn wrote: KH ha scritto: I totaly do agree with you. There has been nothing indicated to give a one out of one answer. In case someone is a noob, ( I am still one because I don't no anything about how everything is working) what you just wrote is the answer. Like what are your needs and what resurces do you have? Like I don't think it was something like do my homework but more like I don't even know what to look for. At least telling him what to look for would be useful. I for example still have no idea, and it's after reading this thread that I checked the size of my /var directory for the first time in 5 years. Often googling for something is leading to lists where absolutly no help can be found because someone writes something like: what can I do. secend replays like: do A. Frst: cool this did it for me. In the end nobody else can use this solution because it is just not EXACT. Isn't do A if you are in situation X , because of Z the right pattern? m. -- Alexander Pilipovsky aka Engraver signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Can I exclude a package from --depclean's consideration?
emerge --depclean always wants to remove all but the most recent version of gentoo-sources. I read the manpage and can't figure out how to exclude this package. The manpage states: Packages that are part of the world set will always be kept. However, if I have sys-kernel/gentoo-sources in world, it still wants to remove all but the most recent version of that package, which I think is the correct behavior... just not what I desire. For now I am working around this by placing version-specific package atoms into my world file, but I am just curious if there is a different way of masking them from depclean -- one that does not require me to manually edit my world file every time a new kernel revision is installed. So, my question: Is there a way to tell depclean to never remove *any* version of gentoo-sources? Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090611 Mick wrote: I spoke too soon. This morning same story ... Menus are not present and running There must be a more intelligent fix to this than me booting into KDE every time I want to use a KDE application ? What's up with your KDE menu Philip? Were you able to make the changes stick? I checked Krusader on Fluxbox no the changes haven't stuck ! At least we're tracking the beast down, but haven't cornered it yet. Something must be getting changed when we reboot. You can test this by restoring the settings in KDE, then without rebooting check they're there in Fluxbox, then reboot see what has happened, presumably they wb lost again. After that has been confirmed, we can look into the cause more closely. Anyone else have suggestions ? -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE menu missing: not solved !
090611 Philip Webb wrote: You can test this by restoring the settings in KDE, then without rebooting check they're there in Fluxbox, then reboot see what has happened, presumably they wb lost again. Actually, there are 2 possibilities, at user login at reboot, so both need checking separately. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Re: Fonts and OpenOffice
On 06/11/2009 06:46 PM, Marco wrote: how can i see if a font is a bitmap or a truetype? If it offers all sizes instead of only a few ones, it's truetype. If not, it's bitmap. I don't think a truetype version of Helvetica is in any portage package. You will have to grab the font from somewhere else and install it manually. If you're using KDE, you can do that with its font installer. There's a clone of Helvetica though in the media-fonts/liberation-fonts package. It's recreation of Helvetica, Times and Courier with a free license. I prefer the original though; it's easy to get it if you can use Google.
Re: [gentoo-user] Lost free space on /
2009/6/11 Alexander Pilipovsky alexander.pilipov...@gmail.com: bn and KH, exuse me if I send not a good question, I have no many experience yet :) (try to avoid top-posts in this mailing list) I think it has already been suggested: Use logrotate to keep your logs down to a sensible size. Also, you may want to empty ccache if you have it enabled. ccache -C will clear it out completely. My /var/tmp is around 886M, half of which is taken up by ccache at this moment in time. HTH. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I exclude a package from --depclean's consideration?
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:22:41 -0500 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: emerge --depclean always wants to remove all but the most recent version of gentoo-sources. I read the manpage and can't figure out how to exclude this package. The manpage states: Packages that are part of the world set will always be kept. However, if I have sys-kernel/gentoo-sources in world, it still wants to remove all but the most recent version of that package, which I think is the correct behavior... just not what I desire. It's kinda case of italian strike - doing the job to the letter ;) So, my question: Is there a way to tell depclean to never remove *any* version of gentoo-sources? That's where portage-2.2 sets find another use. Just add following set to /usr/share/portage/config/sets.conf: [kernels] class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet world-candidate = False files = /usr/src And append @kernels line to /var/lib/portage/world_sets Now any installed (even with -1) kernel should be safe from ravenous depclean. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I exclude a package from --depclean's consideration?
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 18:45, Mike Kazantsevmk.frag...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:22:41 -0500 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: emerge --depclean always wants to remove all but the most recent version of gentoo-sources. I read the manpage and can't figure out how to exclude this package. The manpage states: Packages that are part of the world set will always be kept. However, if I have sys-kernel/gentoo-sources in world, it still wants to remove all but the most recent version of that package, which I think is the correct behavior... just not what I desire. It's kinda case of italian strike - doing the job to the letter ;) So, my question: Is there a way to tell depclean to never remove *any* version of gentoo-sources? That's where portage-2.2 sets find another use. Just add following set to /usr/share/portage/config/sets.conf: [kernels] class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet world-candidate = False files = /usr/src Hi, did you read the first lines of this file ? # WARNING: default set configuration, DO NOT CHANGE. # If you want to change anything redefine the relevant section in # /etc/portage/sets.conf. Any changes to this file will be lost on the next # portage update, and configuration errors here might upset portage in # unexpected ways. Please make all the changes in /etc/portage/ regards, Boris And append @kernels line to /var/lib/portage/world_sets Now any installed (even with -1) kernel should be safe from ravenous depclean. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net -- 42
[gentoo-user] Re: Can I exclude a package from --depclean's consideration?
On 06/11/2009 07:22 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: emerge --depclean always wants to remove all but the most recent version of gentoo-sources. I read the manpage and can't figure out how to exclude this package. The manpage states: Packages that are part of the world set will always be kept. If you read the man page (man emerge) you'll arrive at: emerge --noreplace =gentoo-sources-1.2.3-r4
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I exclude a package from --depclean's consideration?
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:03:31 +0200 Boris Fersing kernelsen...@gentoo.org wrote: did you read the first lines of this file ? # WARNING: default set configuration, DO NOT CHANGE. # If you want to change anything redefine the relevant section in # /etc/portage/sets.conf. Any changes to this file will be lost on the next # portage update, and configuration errors here might upset portage in # unexpected ways. Guess it's some kind of mind-habit of avoiding uppercase text in the head of important configuration files, sorry. -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Fonts and OpenOffice
Marco schrieb: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Florian Philippli...@f_philipp.fastmail.net wrote: Marco schrieb: Hi, I am using OpenOffice and am missing the Helvetica font. If I run fc-list: [...] It seems that the Helvetica fonts are installed on my system. Nevertheless, they don't show up in OpenOffice. Any tips on how to use them in Oo? At least on my system, Helvetica is a bitmap font. OOo doesn't seem to put these in its font list. Hi, how can i see if a font is a bitmap or a truetype? Just look at it in a font viewer like media-gfx/gnome-specimen. A bitmap font gets uglier when it gets bigger (e.g. you can identify single pixels when they are scaled up). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] ESATA drive changes the root device -- how to deal with it?
On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:37, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009, walt wrote: ... The problem is that I also have a plug-in ESATA docking station, which is not always powered on. When it *is* powered on, my kernel names the disk /dev/sda, and that forces the root device to be named /dev/sdb instead of sda. Crashing ensues during bootup. ... I've tried using a disk label in fstab instead of a device name, but the problem is that the kernel mounts the wrong partition before it has a chance to read fstab. ... afaik you can use labels in grubtoo. I believe you need an initrd/initramfs in order to do so. See Neil Bothwick's first post: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg81584.html Stroller.
[gentoo-user] kernel config for eee w/Atom N270 CPU
Hi group, Been tracking down other's kern config for 900A w/ N270 Atom cpu and notice, so far, everyone goes for CONFIG_SMP=y. Why, particularly when most commenters stress keeping the kernel as slim as possible? In the help window we have 'If you have a system with only one CPU, like most personal computers, say N.' As far as I know the 900A has only one CPU, unless there is some sort of virtual one I haven't heard of yet. Maxim
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can I exclude a package from --depclean's consideration?
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de wrote: On 06/11/2009 07:22 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: emerge --depclean always wants to remove all but the most recent version of gentoo-sources. I read the manpage and can't figure out how to exclude this package. The manpage states: Packages that are part of the world set will always be kept. If you read the man page (man emerge) you'll arrive at: emerge --noreplace =gentoo-sources-1.2.3-r4 That is what I'm already doing (recording version-specific atom in my world file). I was trying to find a more generic way, that will prevent me from the need to specify exact versions. Thanks :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I exclude a package from --depclean's consideration?
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Mike Kazantsevmk.frag...@gmail.com wrote: So, my question: Is there a way to tell depclean to never remove *any* version of gentoo-sources? That's where portage-2.2 sets find another use. Just add following set to /usr/share/portage/config/sets.conf: [kernels] class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet world-candidate = False files = /usr/src And append @kernels line to /var/lib/portage/world_sets Now any installed (even with -1) kernel should be safe from ravenous depclean. Perfect! It does exactly what I wanted. I created sets.conf in /etc/portage/ as Boris pointed out. Thank you very much for your help!
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel config for eee w/Atom N270 CPU
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Maxim Wexlermaxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group, Been tracking down other's kern config for 900A w/ N270 Atom cpu and notice, so far, everyone goes for CONFIG_SMP=y. Why, particularly when most commenters stress keeping the kernel as slim as possible? In the help window we have 'If you have a system with only one CPU, like most personal computers, say N.' As far as I know the 900A has only one CPU, unless there is some sort of virtual one I haven't heard of yet. Does the CPU have multiple cores? If so, that's probably why.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] ESATA drive changes the root device -- how to deal with it?
Stroller wrote: On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:37, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009, walt wrote: ... The problem is that I also have a plug-in ESATA docking station, which is not always powered on. When it *is* powered on, my kernel names the disk /dev/sda, and that forces the root device to be named /dev/sdb instead of sda. Crashing ensues during bootup. ... I've tried using a disk label in fstab instead of a device name, but the problem is that the kernel mounts the wrong partition before it has a chance to read fstab. ... afaik you can use labels in grubtoo. I believe you need an initrd/initramfs in order to do so. See Neil Bothwick's first post: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org/msg81584.html That's a very interesting link, thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel config for eee w/Atom N270 CPU
On 6/11/09, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Maxim Wexlermaxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group, Been tracking down other's kern config for 900A w/ N270 Atom cpu and notice, so far, everyone goes for CONFIG_SMP=y. Why, particularly when most commenters stress keeping the kernel as slim as possible? In the help window we have 'If you have a system with only one CPU, like most personal computers, say N.' As far as I know the 900A has only one CPU, unless there is some sort of virtual one I haven't heard of yet. Does the CPU have multiple cores? If so, that's probably why. hmm, when I %cat /proc/cpuinfo I get processor :0 at the top of a list of stuff then, just below that, processor :1 at the top of an identical list. Are those two cores? I think CONFIG_MCORE2=y is recommended for the Atom. Does MCORE2 mean 'two cores' or 'core no.2'? The help window(under Symmetric multi-processor support) says nothing about 'cores' Are 'cores' and 'cpus' the same thing in this context? Well, this has taken me all morning and half the afternoon and I haven't even started 'Power management...' options yet. I'll just say 'yes' to SMP and carry on. Hopefully have the definitive answer by midnight and I can make the darn kernel. mw mw
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel config for eee w/Atom N270 CPU
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 the N270 is a single core with hyperthreading, which will apear as 2 cpus (with the same core id) in dmesg. k. Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Maxim Wexlermaxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group, Been tracking down other's kern config for 900A w/ N270 Atom cpu and notice, so far, everyone goes for CONFIG_SMP=y. Why, particularly when most commenters stress keeping the kernel as slim as possible? In the help window we have 'If you have a system with only one CPU, like most personal computers, say N.' As far as I know the 900A has only one CPU, unless there is some sort of virtual one I haven't heard of yet. Does the CPU have multiple cores? If so, that's probably why. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkoxY/IACgkQaI4xTzulgR/UogCcDhBPtPP53Jsmm0zz+B0L0g7l LzYAoMtXWYfA60RpdFAOQHSJv9D5N1fV =/RR8 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel config for eee w/Atom N270 CPU
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Maxim Wexlermaxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: On 6/11/09, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Maxim Wexlermaxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group, Been tracking down other's kern config for 900A w/ N270 Atom cpu and notice, so far, everyone goes for CONFIG_SMP=y. Why, particularly when most commenters stress keeping the kernel as slim as possible? In the help window we have 'If you have a system with only one CPU, like most personal computers, say N.' As far as I know the 900A has only one CPU, unless there is some sort of virtual one I haven't heard of yet. Does the CPU have multiple cores? If so, that's probably why. hmm, when I %cat /proc/cpuinfo I get processor :0 at the top of a list of stuff then, just below that, processor :1 at the top of an identical list. Are those two cores? I think CONFIG_MCORE2=y is recommended for the Atom. Does MCORE2 mean 'two cores' or 'core no.2'? The help window(under Symmetric multi-processor support) says nothing about 'cores' Are 'cores' and 'cpus' the same thing in this context? Well, this has taken me all morning and half the afternoon and I haven't even started 'Power management...' options yet. I'll just say 'yes' to SMP and carry on. Hopefully have the definitive answer by midnight and I can make the darn kernel. That is correct, SMP is required to use the multi-core option. Multi-Cores and SMP are not the same thing, but are basically the same thing, so the same code handles both. It appears you do have a dual-core CPU, so you should use SMP and the multi-core option in your kernel config. Otherwise you'll only be using half of your processor's ability.
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel config for eee w/Atom N270 CPU
Maxim Wexler schrieb: On 6/11/09, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Maxim Wexlermaxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hi group, Been tracking down other's kern config for 900A w/ N270 Atom cpu and notice, so far, everyone goes for CONFIG_SMP=y. Why, particularly when most commenters stress keeping the kernel as slim as possible? In the help window we have 'If you have a system with only one CPU, like most personal computers, say N.' As far as I know the 900A has only one CPU, unless there is some sort of virtual one I haven't heard of yet. Does the CPU have multiple cores? If so, that's probably why. hmm, when I %cat /proc/cpuinfo I get processor :0 at the top of a list of stuff then, just below that, processor :1 at the top of an identical list. Are those two cores? I think CONFIG_MCORE2=y is recommended for the Atom. Does MCORE2 mean 'two cores' or 'core no.2'? The help window(under Symmetric multi-processor support) says nothing about 'cores' Are 'cores' and 'cpus' the same thing in this context? Well, this has taken me all morning and half the afternoon and I haven't even started 'Power management...' options yet. I'll just say 'yes' to SMP and carry on. Hopefully have the definitive answer by midnight and I can make the darn kernel. mw mw The N270 (as well as any other 2xx Atom) has one core. However, it supports HyperThreading which produces that second entry in /proc/cpuinfo. For this, you need SMP as well as SMT (an option which you will only see when SMP is enabled). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] kernel config for eee w/Atom N270 CPU
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Kelly Hiraike...@met.fsu.edu wrote: the N270 is a single core with hyperthreading, which will apear as 2 cpus (with the same core id) in dmesg. Ah, I forgot about hyperthreading masquerading as multiple CPUs. In that case, Maxim can safely disable SMP if he wants to. I don't know if the theoretical speed gains of disabling SMP outweigh the theoretical speed gains of enabling hyperthreading. I think it'll probably be about the same either way.
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] ESATA drive changes the root device -- how to deal with it?
walt wrote: Okay, my root partition is on /dev/sda (normally), which is a sata drive connected to the onboard sata controller. The problem is that I also have a plug-in ESATA docking station, which is not always powered on. When it *is* powered on, my kernel names the disk /dev/sda, and that forces the root device to be named /dev/sdb instead of sda. Crashing ensues during bootup... Here's an interesting factoid -- somewhere between kernel 2.6.28 and 2.6.30, the system for naming scsi disks changed. All I did was use a newer kernel and the reversing device names went away.
Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros kernel driver and my wireless access point setup
Thanks for the clarification Norman :-) ok, I removed net.wlan0 so it doesn't start up anymore. My computer booted up and all the services are working the way they should, however I am having a problem getting hostapd to start. Here is the error I get when I tried to start up hostapd... penguin ~ # /etc/init.d/hostapd start * Bringing up interface wlan0 * Configuring wireless network for wlan0 * Scanning for access points * no access points found * Failed to configure wireless for wlan0 * ERROR: net.wlan0 failed to start * ERROR: cannot start hostapd as net.wlan0 would not start It's suppose to be an access point, not scanning for one so do you have any idea what I should do now? Did you remove wlan0 from the /etc/conf.d/hostapd file? No, should I just leave it empty? INTERFACES= What about /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf? Do I leave it like this... interface=wlan0 ...or remove that line too? INTERFACES should at least contain the bridge device. The wired NIC does not hurt either. In /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf wlan0 is needed to tell hostapd which device it has to initialize, so leave it like this. I've almost got this working, but I don't know what to include in the /etc/conf.d/hostapd INTERFACES variable since I don't have a br0 device or configuration. Do I need one? If I leave INTERFACES empty and I don't start net.wlan0, I don't have a way to define the IP address for the AP, and shorewall's loc zone is empty because net.wlan0 hasn't started. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros kernel driver and my wireless access point setup
Grant schrieb: Thanks for the clarification Norman :-) ok, I removed net.wlan0 so it doesn't start up anymore. My computer booted up and all the services are working the way they should, however I am having a problem getting hostapd to start. Here is the error I get when I tried to start up hostapd... penguin ~ # /etc/init.d/hostapd start * Bringing up interface wlan0 * Configuring wireless network for wlan0 * Scanning for access points * no access points found * Failed to configure wireless for wlan0 * ERROR: net.wlan0 failed to start * ERROR: cannot start hostapd as net.wlan0 would not start It's suppose to be an access point, not scanning for one so do you have any idea what I should do now? Did you remove wlan0 from the /etc/conf.d/hostapd file? No, should I just leave it empty? INTERFACES= What about /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf? Do I leave it like this... interface=wlan0 ...or remove that line too? INTERFACES should at least contain the bridge device. The wired NIC does not hurt either. In /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf wlan0 is needed to tell hostapd which device it has to initialize, so leave it like this. I've almost got this working, but I don't know what to include in the /etc/conf.d/hostapd INTERFACES variable since I don't have a br0 device or configuration. Do I need one? If I leave INTERFACES empty and I don't start net.wlan0, I don't have a way to define the IP address for the AP, and shorewall's loc zone is empty because net.wlan0 hasn't started. - Grant What do you want to do with your accesspoint. You will need a bridge to a wired network if you want your ap attached to that wired network. This is quite usual though... Without a bridge to a wired network, only the wlan systems are connected and can not connect to your wired systems.
Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros kernel driver and my wireless access point setup
Thanks for the clarification Norman :-) ok, I removed net.wlan0 so it doesn't start up anymore. My computer booted up and all the services are working the way they should, however I am having a problem getting hostapd to start. Here is the error I get when I tried to start up hostapd... penguin ~ # /etc/init.d/hostapd start * Bringing up interface wlan0 * Configuring wireless network for wlan0 * Scanning for access points * no access points found * Failed to configure wireless for wlan0 * ERROR: net.wlan0 failed to start * ERROR: cannot start hostapd as net.wlan0 would not start It's suppose to be an access point, not scanning for one so do you have any idea what I should do now? Did you remove wlan0 from the /etc/conf.d/hostapd file? No, should I just leave it empty? INTERFACES= What about /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf? Do I leave it like this... interface=wlan0 ...or remove that line too? INTERFACES should at least contain the bridge device. The wired NIC does not hurt either. In /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf wlan0 is needed to tell hostapd which device it has to initialize, so leave it like this. I've almost got this working, but I don't know what to include in the /etc/conf.d/hostapd INTERFACES variable since I don't have a br0 device or configuration. Do I need one? If I leave INTERFACES empty and I don't start net.wlan0, I don't have a way to define the IP address for the AP, and shorewall's loc zone is empty because net.wlan0 hasn't started. - Grant What do you want to do with your accesspoint. You will need a bridge to a wired network if you want your ap attached to that wired network. This is quite usual though... Without a bridge to a wired network, only the wlan systems are connected and can not connect to your wired systems. That's no problem, I'm OK with keeping eth1 and wlan0 separate. Right now I just want to get wlan0 working. Do you know how to do that? I can't start net.wlan0 because it chokes on master mode, so I don't know how to specify an IP for the AP or how to fill shorewall's loc zone as that is normally filled by net.wlan0. - Grant
[gentoo-user] wireless access point setup - bridging vs. routing (Was: Atheros kernel driver)
On 12 Jun 2009, at 00:38, Grant wrote: ... I've almost got this working, but I don't know what to include in the /etc/conf.d/hostapd INTERFACES variable since I don't have a br0 device or configuration. Do I need one? If I leave INTERFACES empty and I don't start net.wlan0, I don't have a way to define the IP address for the AP, and shorewall's loc zone is empty because net.wlan0 hasn't started. What do you want to do with your accesspoint. You will need a bridge to a wired network if you want your ap attached to that wired network. This is quite usual though... Without a bridge to a wired network, only the wlan systems are connected and can not connect to your wired systems. That's no problem, I'm OK with keeping eth1 and wlan0 separate. Right now I just want to get wlan0 working. Do you know how to do that? I can't start net.wlan0 because it chokes on master mode, so I don't know how to specify an IP for the AP or how to fill shorewall's loc zone as that is normally filled by net.wlan0. Hi there, I haven't used Shorewall, but for this you probably want to use bridging. I fear that may not be available in Shorewall's UI. I originally wrote http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Wireless/ Access_point, but that was some years ago now. It has had many contributions since, but I have no idea if it's up to date. Anyway, using the simple NAT-forwarding setup described in that article (surely possible in Shorewall) the wireless laptop can access the internet and wired PCs on the LAN. However it is not possible for wired PCs to (say) browse to file shares on the laptop without port- forwarding - because you use a NAT, you have exactly the same problem as accessing your home-server from the office. Bridging brings the wireless clients *seamlessly* into the wired LAN - they behave exactly like the wired clients do. One can install Apache on the wireless laptop and immediately connect to it from a wired PC. This is how all standalone ADSL wireless routers (eg Netgear DG834G) operate. I can't be of much practical help, as I have for some time been using a Fon access-point, which is plugged into a network switch near my desk and which gives me NATted wifi. It works, but I sure do miss teleportd http://abyssoft.com/software/teleport/, which is crippled without bridging. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros kernel driver and my wireless access point setup
What do you want to do with your accesspoint. You will need a bridge to a wired network if you want your ap attached to that wired network. This is quite usual though... Without a bridge to a wired network, only the wlan systems are connected and can not connect to your wired systems. That's no problem, I'm OK with keeping eth1 and wlan0 separate. Right now I just want to get wlan0 working. Do you know how to do that? I can't start net.wlan0 because it chokes on master mode, so I don't know how to specify an IP for the AP or how to fill shorewall's loc zone as that is normally filled by net.wlan0. - Grant Leave INTERFACES blank. As you keep the networks seperated, hostapd does not depend on any other devices. wlan0 is initialized by hostapd. So you are good to go. The accesspoint itself, so to say the wlan part does not have any IP adress, at it is merely a connectionpoint for normal wlan systems. The IP adress to your device however is defined by the other nics. In your case eth1. For the shorewall business, you have to tell, what you want to do with shorewall exactely. I dare say you have a wlan zone as your AP and a loc zone with eth1. As i am using bridging i can not tell you if and how shorewall responds. But if you want to keep eth1 an wlan0 seperate, what so you need shorewall for?
[gentoo-user] Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide: never installs mythtv
I'm about to have a go at replacing my dedicated Knoppmyth FE/BE box with a backend on my general purpose Gentoo desktop and a dedicated diskless frontend on an Intel Mac Mini. Towards that end I'm looking at the Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide at http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/ I don't see anywhere in the process that mythtv is actually installed. Am I missing something? Is that document no longer operative? If so, it's unfortunate that it's the first hit returned by Google for the query gentoo http://www.google.com/search?q=gentoo+mythtv [I think most of us great unwashed would presume a document found on gentoo.org entitled the official install guide would in fact be the official install guide...] -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Are we laid back yet? at visi.com
[gentoo-user] Re: Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide: never installs mythtv
On 2009-06-12, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: I'm about to have a go at replacing my dedicated Knoppmyth FE/BE box with a backend on my general purpose Gentoo desktop and a dedicated diskless frontend on an Intel Mac Mini. Towards that end I'm looking at the Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide at http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/ I don't see anywhere in the process that mythtv is actually installed. I just read through it again. The only packages I see being installed are ntp and opengl-update. Something's missing... -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros kernel driver and my wireless access point setup
What do you want to do with your accesspoint. You will need a bridge to a wired network if you want your ap attached to that wired network. This is quite usual though... Without a bridge to a wired network, only the wlan systems are connected and can not connect to your wired systems. That's no problem, I'm OK with keeping eth1 and wlan0 separate. Right now I just want to get wlan0 working. Do you know how to do that? I can't start net.wlan0 because it chokes on master mode, so I don't know how to specify an IP for the AP or how to fill shorewall's loc zone as that is normally filled by net.wlan0. - Grant Leave INTERFACES blank. As you keep the networks seperated, hostapd does not depend on any other devices. wlan0 is initialized by hostapd. So you are good to go. The accesspoint itself, so to say the wlan part does not have any IP adress, at it is merely a connectionpoint for normal wlan systems. The IP adress to your device however is defined by the other nics. In your case eth1. I don't have eth1 set up yet. For now I just want eth0 on the WAN and wlan0 on the LAN. eth0 dhcp's from my ISP, but I need to specify a local IP address for my LAN somewhere right? For the shorewall business, you have to tell, what you want to do with shorewall exactely. I dare say you have a wlan zone as your AP and a loc zone with eth1. As i am using bridging i can not tell you if and how shorewall responds. But if you want to keep eth1 an wlan0 seperate, what so you need shorewall for? Since the AP system is also the router, I use shorewall for NAT, port closing, port forwarding, and packet shaping. shorewall gives an empty loc zone error if I don't have net.wlan0 started because wlan0 is the only loc interface. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] wireless access point setup - bridging vs. routing (Was: Atheros kernel driver)
I've almost got this working, but I don't know what to include in the /etc/conf.d/hostapd INTERFACES variable since I don't have a br0 device or configuration. Do I need one? If I leave INTERFACES empty and I don't start net.wlan0, I don't have a way to define the IP address for the AP, and shorewall's loc zone is empty because net.wlan0 hasn't started. What do you want to do with your accesspoint. You will need a bridge to a wired network if you want your ap attached to that wired network. This is quite usual though... Without a bridge to a wired network, only the wlan systems are connected and can not connect to your wired systems. That's no problem, I'm OK with keeping eth1 and wlan0 separate. Right now I just want to get wlan0 working. Do you know how to do that? I can't start net.wlan0 because it chokes on master mode, so I don't know how to specify an IP for the AP or how to fill shorewall's loc zone as that is normally filled by net.wlan0. Hi there, I haven't used Shorewall, but for this you probably want to use bridging. I fear that may not be available in Shorewall's UI. I originally wrote http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Wireless/Access_point, but that was some years ago now. It has had many contributions since, but I have no idea if it's up to date. Anyway, using the simple NAT-forwarding setup described in that article (surely possible in Shorewall) the wireless laptop can access the internet and wired PCs on the LAN. However it is not possible for wired PCs to (say) browse to file shares on the laptop without port-forwarding - because you use a NAT, you have exactly the same problem as accessing your home-server from the office. Bridging brings the wireless clients *seamlessly* into the wired LAN - they behave exactly like the wired clients do. One can install Apache on the wireless laptop and immediately connect to it from a wired PC. This is how all standalone ADSL wireless routers (eg Netgear DG834G) operate. I can't be of much practical help, as I have for some time been using a Fon access-point, which is plugged into a network switch near my desk and which gives me NATted wifi. It works, but I sure do miss teleportd http://abyssoft.com/software/teleport/, which is crippled without bridging. Stroller. Thanks Stroller. I'm into bridging eth1 and wlan0, but the truth is I don't even have an eth1 right now, although I plan to in the future. When I get eth1 going I'll bridge em for sure. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide: never installs mythtv
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Grant Edwardsgra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-06-12, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote: I'm about to have a go at replacing my dedicated Knoppmyth FE/BE box with a backend on my general purpose Gentoo desktop and a dedicated diskless frontend on an Intel Mac Mini. Towards that end I'm looking at the Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide at http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/ I don't see anywhere in the process that mythtv is actually installed. I just read through it again. The only packages I see being installed are ntp and opengl-update. Something's missing... -- Grant That doc was last updated in 2005. It's woefully out of date. Use the Gentoo specific info on the www.MythTV.org site and you'll do fine. If you need help or jsut want to ask questions about flags or operation write back. good luck,, Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide: never installs mythtv
On 2009-06-12, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to have a go at replacing my dedicated Knoppmyth FE/BE box with a backend on my general purpose Gentoo desktop and a dedicated diskless frontend on an Intel Mac Mini. Towards that end I'm looking at the Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide at http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/ I don't see anywhere in the process that mythtv is actually installed. That doc was last updated in 2005. It's woefully out of date. You're right -- I hadn't noticed the last modified date. Unfortunately, the Gentoo wiki page on MythTv has a pointer to that page right at the top. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV Use the Gentoo specific info on the www.MythTV.org site and you'll do fine. At the risk of seeming a bit dim... what Gentoo specific info? The page at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Linux_Distros#Gentoo has 4 links to Gentoo setup guides. Three of them don't exist, and the fourth is the previously mentioned official install guide that hasn't been updated in 4 years and doesn't actually show mythtv being installed. If you need help or jsut want to ask questions about flags or operation write back. It's just that I would have sworn I'd seen a pretty complete Gentoo MythTv HOWTO at some point, but I sure can't find it now. [I was primarily interested in hints for doing a backend-only install.] Anyway, I was surprised there didn't seem to be a HOWTO. I've done some fairly obscure stuff on Gentoo, and I think this is the first time I've wanted to do something and haven't found a detail HOWTO document. -- Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide: never installs mythtv
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Grant Edwardsgra...@visi.com wrote: On 2009-06-12, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: I'm about to have a go at replacing my dedicated Knoppmyth FE/BE box with a backend on my general purpose Gentoo desktop and a dedicated diskless frontend on an Intel Mac Mini. Towards that end I'm looking at the Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide at http://dev.gentoo.org/~cardoe/mythtv/ I don't see anywhere in the process that mythtv is actually installed. That doc was last updated in 2005. It's woefully out of date. You're right -- I hadn't noticed the last modified date. Unfortunately, the Gentoo wiki page on MythTv has a pointer to that page right at the top. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/MythTV Use the Gentoo specific info on the www.MythTV.org site and you'll do fine. At the risk of seeming a bit dim... what Gentoo specific info? The page at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Linux_Distros#Gentoo has 4 links to Gentoo setup guides. Three of them don't exist, and the fourth is the previously mentioned official install guide that hasn't been updated in 4 years and doesn't actually show mythtv being installed. That's the wiki, not the documentation. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.5 then under http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html QUOTE Gentoo After installing MySQL you need to initialize the database by running mysql_install_db as root. and later... Gentoo $ su # mysql /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql Anyway, if you go through these docs I think there's enough for you to get running, although the specific USE flags you might want are probably not well documented here. If you need help or jsut want to ask questions about flags or operation write back. It's just that I would have sworn I'd seen a pretty complete Gentoo MythTv HOWTO at some point, but I sure can't find it now. [I was primarily interested in hints for doing a backend-only install.] Anyway, I was surprised there didn't seem to be a HOWTO. I've done some fairly obscure stuff on Gentoo, and I think this is the first time I've wanted to do something and haven't found a detail HOWTO document. I think that was all lost when the Gentoo WIki got wiped out. I remember what you are talking about but I don't remember seeing it in the last year. Hope this helps, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Official Gentoo MythTV Install Guide: never installs mythtv
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:35:36 -0700 Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: If you need help or jsut want to ask questions about flags or operation write back. It's just that I would have sworn I'd seen a pretty complete Gentoo MythTv HOWTO at some point, but I sure can't find it now. [I was primarily interested in hints for doing a backend-only install.] Anyway, I was surprised there didn't seem to be a HOWTO. I've done some fairly obscure stuff on Gentoo, and I think this is the first time I've wanted to do something and haven't found a detail HOWTO document. I think that was all lost when the Gentoo WIki got wiped out. I remember what you are talking about but I don't remember seeing it in the last year. But old gentoo-wiki pages were recovered from google cache and now reside at gentoo-wiki.info. http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Category:MythTV -- Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Atheros kernel driver and my wireless access point setup
Norman Rieß nor...@smash-net.org writes: What do you want to do with your accesspoint. You will need a bridge to a wired network if you want your ap attached to that wired network. This is quite usual though... Without a bridge to a wired network, only the wlan systems are connected and can not connect to your wired systems. Would it not normally be better to route between the wireless and wired networks, with appropriate firewall rules in place, rather than bridging them?
