[gentoo-user] No sound with Intel HDA card in Gateway m6888u laptop (2.6.30-r4, amd64)
Hello -- I've been trying to get my sound working for nearly a month now with no luck. * I've followed the Gentoo ALSA Guide *several times*, and it's not working for me. * I've already unmuted my card in alsamixer and raised the volume to 100% * There is no sound that is coming from any of the following: -- mplayer (movies or mp3's) -- speaker-test -- flash movies in Firefox -- etc ... i.e. NOTHING gives me any sound * But when I try to play sound in any of the above mentioned programs, I get no errors (i.e. they seem to think that my sound *is* working. * I've checked to make sure that the volume isn't muted via the keyboard, and that the volume is at 100% there too. * There are no errors that are popping up in /var/log/messages or /var/ log/dmesg when I do '/etc/init.d/alsasound restart' nor when I manually rmmod/modprobe the sound modules * The hardware is not damaged/broken -- it works fine from Windows * I've tried to disable ati-hdmi in the kernel and it doesn't make a difference (it's currently enabled, but unused according to lspci -k) and according to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ the ATI HDMI card should be using snd-hda-intel (as it currently is) anyway * I've tried telling alsaconf to use the Intel HDA card, and the ATI HDMI card -- neither of these work. * I started a thread on Gentoo Forums regarding this problem () and someone said: QUOTE HD Audio often needs a model option passed to it based on the codec see /usr/src/linux/Documentation/sound/alsa/HD- Audio-Models.txt to see what the model should be. /QUOTE ... But looking through that file, I could not determine which option I should use (if this is even a solution, anyway) for my card. Google was no help here. (note that the Intel HDA card uses the SigmaTel ID 76a0 codec) Is there any additional information I can provide (besides what I just mentioned, and the stuff below) to help diagnose this? Anything else I should try? Any help would be *very* much appreciated. Thanks, Jesse Taylor P.S. Here's some info on the current state of things: # # cat /proc/asound/cards # 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xf330 irq 22 1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI HDA ATI HDMI at 0xf301 irq 17 #lspci -k 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 04) Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV630/M76 audio device [Radeon HD 2600 Series] Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel ## # cat /proc/asound/devices ## 0: [ 0] : control 1:: sequencer 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture 32: [ 1] : control 33:: timer # codecs (note that there are two codecs for card0 (is this normal?)) # the intel card localhost ~ # cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 Codec: SigmaTel ID 76a0 Address: 0 Function Id: 0x1 Vendor Id: 0x838476a0 Subsystem Id: 0x107b0562 Revision Id: 0x100204 #the intel card again localhost ~ # cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#1 Codec: Conexant ID 2c06 Address: 1 Function Id: 0x2 Vendor Id: 0x14f12c06 Subsystem Id: 0x14f1 Revision Id: 0x10 Modem Function Group: 0x2 # the ATI HDMI card localhost ~ # cat /proc/asound/card1/codec#0 Codec: ATI ID aa01 Address: 0 Function Id: 0x1 Vendor Id: 0x1002aa01 Subsystem Id: 0x00aa0100 Revision Id: 0x10 No Modem Function Group found # lsmod snd_seq_oss31392 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7208 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq56672 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 7164 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq snd_pcm_oss41184 0 snd_mixer_oss 16904 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_hrtimer 2840 0 snd_hda_codec_atihdmi 3944 1 snd_hda_intel 28296 0 snd_hda_codec 66152 2 snd_hda_codec_atihdmi,snd_hda_intel snd_pcm74640 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 22264 3 snd_seq,snd_hrtimer,snd_pcm snd65256 9 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 9496 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm # # Kernel config # CONFIG_SND=m CONFIG_SND_TIMER=m CONFIG_SND_PCM=m CONFIG_SND_JACK=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER=m CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS_PLUGINS=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS=y CONFIG_SND_HRTIMER=m CONFIG_SND_SEQ_HRTIMER_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SND_SUPPORT_OLD_API=y CONFIG_SND_VMASTER=y CONFIG_SND_PCI=y CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL=m # CONFIG_SND_HDA_HWDEP is not set CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP=y CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_ATIHDMI=y # CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_INTELHDMI is not set CONFIG_SND_HDA_GENERIC=y #
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound with Intel HDA card in Gateway m6888u laptop (2.6.30-r4, amd64)
On 17 Sep, Jesse Taylor wrote: Hello -- I've been trying to get my sound working for nearly a month now with no luck. # # Kernel config # CONFIG_SND=m CONFIG_SND_TIMER=m CONFIG_SND_PCM=m CONFIG_SND_JACK=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER=m CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS_PLUGINS=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS=y CONFIG_SND_HRTIMER=m CONFIG_SND_SEQ_HRTIMER_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SND_SUPPORT_OLD_API=y CONFIG_SND_VMASTER=y CONFIG_SND_PCI=y CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL=m # CONFIG_SND_HDA_HWDEP is not set CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP=y CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_ATIHDMI=y # CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_INTELHDMI is not set CONFIG_SND_HDA_GENERIC=y # CONFIG_SND_HDA_POWER_SAVE is not set Try to add CONFIG_SND_HDA_CODEC_REALTEK=y (Build Realtek HD-audio codec support) It's working here since kernel 2.6.30 and recent alsa-lib (=media-libs/alsa-lib-1.0.21) Try to set everything in alsamixer to (100 %) Helmut. -- Helmut Jarausch Lehrstuhl fuer Numerische Mathematik RWTH - Aachen University D 52056 Aachen, Germany
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound with Intel HDA card in Gateway m6888u laptop (2.6.30-r4, amd64)
On 17 Sep 2009, at 08:12, Jesse Taylor wrote: Anything else I should try? Any help would be *very* much appreciated. You may get more helpful advice than this, but in case you don't try booting from a Knoppix or Ubuntu LiveCD. If the sound works in that then you can try copying the relevant config files on your Gentoo system. If it doesn't, then it hasn't taken you long to try. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound with Intel HDA card in Gateway m6888u laptop (2.6.30-r4, amd64)
Stroller wrote: On 17 Sep 2009, at 08:12, Jesse Taylor wrote: Anything else I should try? Any help would be *very* much appreciated. You may get more helpful advice than this, but in case you don't try booting from a Knoppix or Ubuntu LiveCD. If the sound works in that then you can try copying the relevant config files on your Gentoo system. If it doesn't, then it hasn't taken you long to try. Stroller. He can also boot the CD, then if it works run lspci -k and see what drivers it uses for sound. Then, he can go into menuconfig and enable the same drivers. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] No sound with Intel HDA card in Gateway m6888u laptop (2.6.30-r4, amd64)
Jesse Taylor wrote: Hello -- I've been trying to get my sound working for nearly a month now with no luck. * I've followed the Gentoo ALSA Guide *several times*, and it's not working for me. * I've already unmuted my card in alsamixer and raised the volume to 100% * There is no sound that is coming from any of the following: -- mplayer (movies or mp3's) -- speaker-test -- flash movies in Firefox -- etc ... i.e. NOTHING gives me any sound * But when I try to play sound in any of the above mentioned programs, I get no errors (i.e. they seem to think that my sound *is* working. * I've checked to make sure that the volume isn't muted via the keyboard, and that the volume is at 100% there too. * There are no errors that are popping up in /var/log/messages or /var/ log/dmesg when I do '/etc/init.d/alsasound restart' nor when I manually rmmod/modprobe the sound modules * The hardware is not damaged/broken -- it works fine from Windows * I've tried to disable ati-hdmi in the kernel and it doesn't make a difference (it's currently enabled, but unused according to lspci -k) and according to http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ the ATI HDMI card should be using snd-hda-intel (as it currently is) anyway * I've tried telling alsaconf to use the Intel HDA card, and the ATI HDMI card -- neither of these work. * I started a thread on Gentoo Forums regarding this problem () and someone said: QUOTE HD Audio often needs a model option passed to it based on the codec see /usr/src/linux/Documentation/ sound/alsa/HD- Audio-Models.txt to see what the model should be. /QUOTE ... But looking through that file, I could not determine which option I should use (if this is even a solution, anyway) for my card. Google was no help here. (note that the Intel HDA card uses the SigmaTel ID 76a0 codec) Is there any additional information I can provide (besides what I just mentioned, and the stuff below) to help diagnose this? Anything else I should try? Any help would be *very* much appreciated. Thanks, Jesse Taylor P.S. Here's some info on the current state of things: # # cat /proc/asound/cards # 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xf330 irq 22 1 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI HDA ATI HDMI at 0xf301 irq 17 #lspci -k 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 04) Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel 01:00.1 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc RV630/M76 audio device [Radeon HD 2600 Series] Kernel driver in use: HDA Intel Kernel modules: snd-hda-intel ## # cat /proc/asound/devices ## 0: [ 0] : control 1:: sequencer 16: [ 0- 0]: digital audio playback 24: [ 0- 0]: digital audio capture 32: [ 1] : control 33:: timer # codecs (note that there are two codecs for card0 (is this normal?)) # the intel card localhost ~ # cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 Codec: SigmaTel ID 76a0 Address: 0 Function Id: 0x1 Vendor Id: 0x838476a0 Subsystem Id: 0x107b0562 Revision Id: 0x100204 #the intel card again localhost ~ # cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#1 Codec: Conexant ID 2c06 Address: 1 Function Id: 0x2 Vendor Id: 0x14f12c06 Subsystem Id: 0x14f1 Revision Id: 0x10 Modem Function Group: 0x2 # the ATI HDMI card localhost ~ # cat /proc/asound/card1/codec#0 Codec: ATI ID aa01 Address: 0 Function Id: 0x1 Vendor Id: 0x1002aa01 Subsystem Id: 0x00aa0100 Revision Id: 0x10 No Modem Function Group found # lsmod snd_seq_oss31392 0 snd_seq_midi_event 7208 1 snd_seq_oss snd_seq56672 4 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq_device 7164 2 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq snd_pcm_oss41184 0 snd_mixer_oss 16904 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_hrtimer 2840 0 snd_hda_codec_atihdmi 3944 1 snd_hda_intel 28296 0 snd_hda_codec 66152 2 snd_hda_codec_atihdmi,snd_hda_intel snd_pcm74640 3 snd_pcm_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 22264 3 snd_seq,snd_hrtimer,snd_pcm snd65256 9 snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer snd_page_alloc 9496 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm # # Kernel config # CONFIG_SND=m CONFIG_SND_TIMER=m CONFIG_SND_PCM=m CONFIG_SND_JACK=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER=m CONFIG_SND_OSSEMUL=y CONFIG_SND_MIXER_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS=m CONFIG_SND_PCM_OSS_PLUGINS=y CONFIG_SND_SEQUENCER_OSS=y CONFIG_SND_HRTIMER=m CONFIG_SND_SEQ_HRTIMER_DEFAULT=y CONFIG_SND_SUPPORT_OLD_API=y CONFIG_SND_VMASTER=y CONFIG_SND_PCI=y CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL=m #
[gentoo-user] Installing on an eee-pc 1000H
Hello list, I'm trying to install Gentoo on a new eee-pc but falling at the first hurdle. I've followed the instructions on making a boot USB stick in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml but the machine doesn't recognise the stick at boot time. It's a 4GB stick so I made a FAT-32 partition occupying the whole space, using mkdosfs, then copied the contents of install-x86-minimal-20090915.iso following the instructions. I did all the things I was told to, but at the next boot the BIOS calls the stick merely a removable device, not a USB disk, and then it doesn't boot from it. Can anyone tell me if that web page is up to date and complete? I notice it doesn't say to make the _stick_ bootable, only the partition on it. TIA. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 00:48:04 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann: Really, I am sick of people talking shit about KDE. Am I harsh? Yes, I am. A lot of times. Because I am sick of 'I am too cool to read documentation'. I am sick of 'I am too cool to use bugzilla' and I am sick of 'I am too cool to think for a second' and especially I am sick of 'I am too cool to google for a moment'. Full ACK! Bye... Dirk
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Konsole 4.3.1 -- very much dumbed down from 3.5.10 ; big problem: it seems impossible to predetermine window size; result: back to 3.5.10 be prepared to use Xterm Xfce's Terminal. It saves its size properly for me. For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size), in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar and choosing Configure window behavior I have no idea about Fluxbox. Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny. http://okular.kde.org/formats.php Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, Completely false. In fact, Konqueror has more import options than any other browser that I've ever seen! There are extensive Import and Export menus in the bookmarks editor. Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- my quick relax with my own layout personal rules (grin); no problem with my layout (simply copy it over), but they've abolished the grid of removed tiles ! no, when i'm relaxing between more important things, I don't want to exercise my memory on such trivia; result: back to 3.5.10 . According to a single google search for kmahjongg removed tiles, the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006. I guess you've just been using the old version the whole time and sounds like you will continue to. :) Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview, esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails. I don't use it, but it seems to do its job. I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation. Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change. I've never tried it. I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time. KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it. Does anyone know how to preset Konsole 4 window sizes for different uses ? deja vu :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing on an eee-pc 1000H
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:39 AM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.orgwrote: Hello list, I'm trying to install Gentoo on a new eee-pc but falling at the first hurdle. I've followed the instructions on making a boot USB stick in http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/liveusb.xml but the machine doesn't recognise the stick at boot time. It's a 4GB stick so I made a FAT-32 partition occupying the whole space, using mkdosfs, then copied the contents of install-x86-minimal-20090915.iso following the instructions. I did all the things I was told to, but at the next boot the BIOS calls the stick merely a removable device, not a USB disk, and then it doesn't boot from it. A basic thing to check - make sure your BIOS is set to boot the removable device before the internal HDD - you have to do this with the USB stick inserted, and (if the 1000H is anything like the 900A), it will revert to internal HDD first any time you boot w/o the USB stick inserted. Oh, and removable device is fine - the BIOS doesn't have the smarts to know if it's a USB stick, an external USB HDD, an SD card through a USB adapter, or ??? HTH -James Can anyone tell me if that web page is up to date and complete? I notice it doesn't say to make the _stick_ bootable, only the partition on it. TIA. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing on an eee-pc 1000H
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:50:08 -0700, James Ausmus wrote: A basic thing to check - make sure your BIOS is set to boot the removable device before the internal HDD - you have to do this with the USB stick inserted, and (if the 1000H is anything like the 900A), it will revert to internal HDD first any time you boot w/o the USB stick inserted. There's no need to change the BIOS, press Esc during POST to get a boot menu. System Rescue CD is a good choice for installing Gentoo, and is easy to transfer to a bootable USB stick. -- Neil Bothwick OS/2 = Half an Operating System signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Donnerstag 17 September 2009, Stroller wrote: On 16 Sep 2009, at 23:00, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . that is a joke, right? You would be an asset to this list, were you not CONSTANTLY so abrasive. I see that Sebastian Beßler has already made similar comments you have not taken them onboard, however I had already thought to make my reply upon seeing your post. Sebastian is not alone in thinking your comments unpleasant. Stroller. see: 200909170048.04542.volkerar...@googlemail.com and Dirk's reply.
[gentoo-user] libssl3.so.12 not found, but why not?
Two days ago after updating world on my ~amd64, at least two apps can't find libssl.so.12 even though it's right where it should be. One difference I find between my working x86 and my broken ~amd64 is the output of ldconfig -p: x86 machine: #ldconfig -p | grep ssl3.so libssl3.so.12 (libc6) = /usr/lib/nss/libssl3.so.12 == minor number libssl3.so (libc6) = /usr/lib/nss/libssl3.so ~amd64 machine: #ldconfig -p | grep ssl3.do libssl3.so (libc6,x86-64) = /usr/lib64/nss/libssl3.so libssl3.so (libc6) = /opt/flash-libcompat/libssl3.so Note that the minor number (.12) doesn't show up even though there is a correct and proper symlink for it in /usr/lib64/nss. Another source of confusion for me is that the programs that need libssl3.so.12 are both linked against libssl3.so (no minor number) but the error message specifically says that libssl3.so.12 can't be found. Can anyone here make sense out of this info? Thanks!
Re: [gentoo-user] libssl3.so.12 not found, but why not?
Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 19:21:44 schrieb walt: Two days ago after updating world on my ~amd64, at least two apps can't find libssl.so.12 even though it's right where it should be. One difference I find between my working x86 and my broken ~amd64 is the output of ldconfig -p: x86 machine: #ldconfig -p | grep ssl3.so libssl3.so.12 (libc6) = /usr/lib/nss/libssl3.so.12 == minor number libssl3.so (libc6) = /usr/lib/nss/libssl3.so ~amd64 machine: #ldconfig -p | grep ssl3.do libssl3.so (libc6,x86-64) = /usr/lib64/nss/libssl3.so libssl3.so (libc6) = /opt/flash-libcompat/libssl3.so Note that the minor number (.12) doesn't show up even though there is a correct and proper symlink for it in /usr/lib64/nss. Another source of confusion for me is that the programs that need libssl3.so.12 are both linked against libssl3.so (no minor number) but the error message specifically says that libssl3.so.12 can't be found. Can anyone here make sense out of this info? Not really, but I've seen this on my box at work today. The interesting thing here was that for the affected program, evolution, libssl3.so showed up four times in ldd output, where three entries showed not found while the forth showed the location of the lib. Interestingly, setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /usr/lib/nss resolved the issue. Bye... Dirk
[gentoo-user] Re: libssl3.so.12 not found, but why not? [SOLVED]
On 09/17/2009 10:37 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 19:21:44 schrieb walt: Two days ago after updating world on my ~amd64, at least two apps can't find libssl.so.12 even though it's right where it should be. ... ...I've seen this on my box at work today. The interesting thing here was that for the affected program, evolution, libssl3.so showed up four times in ldd output, where three entries showed not found while the forth showed the location of the lib. I also recompiled evolution and gnome-panel (those were the two apps that were broken) but they both depend on evolution-data-server, and recompiling that finally fixed it. Now, the next question is why didn't revdep-rebuild fix it first?
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing on an eee-pc 1000H
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 05:55:29PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: There's no need to change the BIOS, press Esc during POST to get a boot menu. That's true. I've simply used an Ubuntu Live USB to install Gentoo, and everything went just fine ;) -- Linux Gentoo User _ * Massimo Gengarelli massimo.gengare...@gmail.com ~0 (_| * Computer Science student @ http://www.unibo.it |(_~|^~~| * http://massitm.sohead.org -- my personal, outdated website TT/_ TT * FACILITY REJECTED 10004420;
Re: [gentoo-user] libssl3.so.12 not found, but why not?
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:21 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Two days ago after updating world on my ~amd64, at least two apps can't find libssl.so.12 even though it's right where it should be. One difference I find between my working x86 and my broken ~amd64 is the output of ldconfig -p: x86 machine: #ldconfig -p | grep ssl3.so libssl3.so.12 (libc6) = /usr/lib/nss/libssl3.so.12 == minor number libssl3.so (libc6) = /usr/lib/nss/libssl3.so ~amd64 machine: #ldconfig -p | grep ssl3.do libssl3.so (libc6,x86-64) = /usr/lib64/nss/libssl3.so libssl3.so (libc6) = /opt/flash-libcompat/libssl3.so Note that the minor number (.12) doesn't show up even though there is a correct and proper symlink for it in /usr/lib64/nss. Another source of confusion for me is that the programs that need libssl3.so.12 are both linked against libssl3.so (no minor number) but the error message specifically says that libssl3.so.12 can't be found. Can anyone here make sense out of this info? Thanks! I'm on ~amd64: # ldconfig -p | grep ssl3 libssl3.so (libc6,x86-64) = /usr/lib64/nss/libssl3.so I guess you've got some 32-bit flash plugin installed? I'm using 64-bit browsers and flash plugin.
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing on an eee-pc 1000H
On Thursday 17 September 2009 17:55:29 Neil Bothwick wrote: System Rescue CD is a good choice for installing Gentoo, and is easy to transfer to a bootable USB stick. I'll try that - thanks! -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Installing on an eee-pc 1000H
On Thursday 17 September 2009 17:50:08 James Ausmus wrote: A basic thing to check - make sure your BIOS is set to boot the removable device before the internal HDD - you have to do this with the USB stick inserted, and (if the 1000H is anything like the 900A), it will revert to internal HDD first any time you boot w/o the USB stick inserted. Yes, of course I did that every time. Oh, and removable device is fine - the BIOS doesn't have the smarts to know if it's a USB stick, an external USB HDD, an SD card through a USB adapter, or ??? Not so. When I tried installing a Ubuntu remix (ugh!) it did recognise that as an external hard disk. -- Rgds Peter
[gentoo-user] Re: KDE 4.3.1 query
On 09/16/2009 05:12 PM, Philip Webb wrote: 090917 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: KDE can use all ICCCM adhering WM. How can KDE use WM ? -- your words make no sense in English. Some semantic confusion here. Desktop 'environments' like gnome and kde come packaged with their own window managers (metacity and kwin, respectively) but you may easily substitute any other window manager that respects the ICCCM mechanisms because they all do the same basic stuff -- some add extra stuff on top, of course. Metacity is billed as the window manager for adults because it does *no* extra stuff :o)
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Donnerstag 17 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: 090917 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 16 September 2009, Philip Webb wrote: Faced with the KDE 4 steamroller rumbling shuddering ever closer, I've been trying out the 4.3.1 versions of apps I frequently use. I have not installed the desktop management part of KDE, only the apps themselves whatever deps they require: Fluxbox is my desktop manager of choice. fluxbox is not a manager. It is merely a window manager. It manages my desktop much better than KDE 4.2.1 did ... no, it does not manage your desktop. It only manages windows. It is a window manager. Not a desktop. You are a native speaker, aren't you? KDE can use all ICCCM adhering WM. How can KDE use WM ? -- your words make no sense in English. the WM is just a part that can be replaced like any other one. Just google for 'KDEWM' or have a look into system-settings, standard components. Second row from above.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size; It saves its size properly for me. For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size), in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar and choosing Configure window behavior I have no idea about Fluxbox. That doesn't work in Fluxbox. It will accept 'konsole --geometry ... ', but that has no effect on window size; you can set a single size by hand in konsolerc , but there's no apparent way to do that for profiles. The big attraction of Konsole 3 is that it has so many options. For me, it's a show-stopper if it isn't fixed in 4.4.1 , I'll use Xterm. Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 . Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny. http://okular.kde.org/formats.php Yes, another day's use suggests it renders PDFs better than Kpdf (that's what I use it for) it does show JPGs properly too. That complaint is withdrawn (tho' there's an ugly wide bar on the left side). Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, Konqueror has more import options than any other browser I've ever seen! There are extensive Import and Export menus in the bookmarks editor. It appears you have to install another pkg to get this -- it's not a Gentoo dependency -- , but manually copying them works too. I rarely use Konqueror, but it's useful occasionally. Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- they've abolished the grid of removed tiles ! According to a single google search for kmahjongg removed tiles, the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006. No, it's present in 3.5.10 , which I'm using (I just played a game with it). It's another feature which has been dropped in KDE 4 , like setting the size of a Konsole window when you open it (above). Another show-stopper, but perhaps the gods want me to get out more (smile). Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview, esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails. I don't use it, but it seems to do its job. I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation. Gwenview 4 is a noticeable improvement. Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change. I've never tried it. It's very powerful. The new version seems to be the same but for KDE 4 . I'm happy to use the CLI for everyday file management. I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ... It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time. KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it. Like another respondent (and many others), I prefer plain old-fashioned. We have street cars (trams) running by the end of my street, as they have since 1892, which is why we have healthy neighbourhoods here, but go-ahead modern cities like NY London wiped them out long ago (grin). Thanks for the various responses, incl the inadvertently amusing ones. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libssl3.so.12 not found, but why not? [SOLVED]
tor 2009-09-17 klockan 11:15 -0700 skrev walt: On 09/17/2009 10:37 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 19:21:44 schrieb walt: Two days ago after updating world on my ~amd64, at least two apps can't find libssl.so.12 even though it's right where it should be. ... ...I've seen this on my box at work today. The interesting thing here was that for the affected program, evolution, libssl3.so showed up four times in ldd output, where three entries showed not found while the forth showed the location of the lib. I also recompiled evolution and gnome-panel (those were the two apps that were broken) but they both depend on evolution-data-server, and recompiling that finally fixed it. Now, the next question is why didn't revdep-rebuild fix it first? Hi, I'm using ~x86 and the following fixed the issue for me : revdep-rebuild --library libnss3.so.12
[gentoo-user] Re: Strange desktop happening following update world
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: In short, jpeg-7 breaks some things :) It's not compatible with previous versions and while most programs don't have a problem with that, some do. I'm not sure exactly what causes XFCE to break, but gtk+ is broken with jpeg-7 and causes other apps like gqview to be screwed up as well. There's a patch on the gtk+ bugzilla that fixes it. If XFCE uses gtk+ that might be the cause. Recompiling all of XFCE might fix it, too. I see... thanks... I'm so lazy I've sort of gotten to liking no background wallpaper... I imagine stuff will eventually start working again with future updates... maybe I'll be ready for wallpaper again by then.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
090917 Paul Hartman wrote:
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size;
It saves its size properly for me.
For specifying a size (not restoring the last-used size),
in KDE you can specify extensive window placement and geometry profiles
for windows by right-clicking on the titlebar
and choosing Configure window behavior
I have no idea about Fluxbox.
That doesn't work in Fluxbox. It will accept 'konsole --geometry ... ',
but that has no effect on window size; you can set a single size by hand
in konsolerc , but there's no apparent way to do that for profiles.
The big attraction of Konsole 3 is that it has so many options.
For me, it's a show-stopper if it isn't fixed in 4.4.1 , I'll use Xterm.
You're right, I just tried and I can get the window size and position
with xterm -geometry 80x25-50+50 (for example) but --geometry
80x25-50+50 has no effect at all on Konsole. Looks like it may be a
problem with more than just Konsole:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165355
Okular 4.3.1 -- usable, but no noticeable improvement on Kpdf 3.5.10 .
Okular does so much more than Kpdf it's not even funny.
http://okular.kde.org/formats.php
Yes, another day's use suggests it renders PDFs better than Kpdf
(that's what I use it for) it does show JPGs properly too.
That complaint is withdrawn (tho' there's an ugly wide bar on the left side).
I think it has better support for things like PDF forms as well,
though I usually still have to use the real Adobe reader for those.
Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks,
Konqueror has more import options than any other browser I've ever seen!
There are extensive Import and Export menus in the bookmarks editor.
It appears you have to install another pkg to get this
-- it's not a Gentoo dependency -- , but manually copying them works too.
I rarely use Konqueror, but it's useful occasionally.
It is a dependency on my system. Unless you have specifically disabled
the bookmarks USE flag, in which case the problem would be one of
your own making. :)
From the konqueror-4.3.1.ebuild:
IUSE=+auth +bookmarks debug +handbook thumbnail
RDEPEND=${DEPEND}
=kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/keditfiletype-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/kfind-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/kfmclient-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
=kde-base/kurifilter-plugins-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=]
auth? ( =kde-base/kpasswdserver-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] )
bookmarks? ( =kde-base/keditbookmarks-${PV}:${SLOT}[kdeprefix=] )
Kmahjongg 4.3.1 -- they've abolished the grid of removed tiles !
According to a single google search for kmahjongg removed tiles,
the primary author of Kmahjongg stated he removed that feature in 2006.
No, it's present in 3.5.10 , which I'm using (I just played a game with it).
It's another feature which has been dropped in KDE 4 ,
like setting the size of a Konsole window when you open it (above).
Another show-stopper, but perhaps the gods want me to get out more (smile).
Right, but in 2006 he had already moved on to KDE4 development and
removed the feature you are missing from the current version
(4.something). 3.5.10 may be the latest KDE3 version, but it's not
The current version. :)
Gwenview 4.3.1 -- yes, an improvement on the old independent Gwenview,
esp the tree menu, but also rendering of images + thumbnails.
I don't use it, but it seems to do its job.
I prefer Geeqie because I am more used to its keyboard navigation.
Gwenview 4 is a noticeable improvement.
My all-time favorite image viewer was PMView on OS/2, but there's no
Linux version... :(
Krusader 2.0.0 -- my choice for heavy lifting: no noticeable change.
I've never tried it.
It's very powerful. The new version seems to be the same but for KDE 4 .
I'm happy to use the CLI for everyday file management.
I'll give it a try. I normally use midnight commander but GUI can be
more convenient for some tasks.
I won't comment on the aesthetics of the brave new KDE ...
It's different, but I like it. It has grown on me over time.
KDE3 looks plain and old-fashioned now when I go back and see it.
Like another respondent (and many others), I prefer plain old-fashioned.
We have street cars (trams) running by the end of my street,
as they have since 1892, which is why we have healthy neighbourhoods here,
but go-ahead modern cities like NY London wiped them out long ago (grin).
Well, since you're not using KDE desktop environment it doesn't affect
you anyway. :)
But in KDE4 there are still the KDE3-style window decorations such as
Keramik, Quartz and Plastik, and the same old-fashioned widget styles
like CDE and Motif. Someone can make KDE4 look very similar to KDE3 if
they want to.
I'm personally using QtCurve for KDE
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Strange desktop happening following update world
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: In short, jpeg-7 breaks some things :) It's not compatible with previous versions and while most programs don't have a problem with that, some do. I'm not sure exactly what causes XFCE to break, but gtk+ is broken with jpeg-7 and causes other apps like gqview to be screwed up as well. There's a patch on the gtk+ bugzilla that fixes it. If XFCE uses gtk+ that might be the cause. Recompiling all of XFCE might fix it, too. I see... thanks... I'm so lazy I've sort of gotten to liking no background wallpaper... I imagine stuff will eventually start working again with future updates... maybe I'll be ready for wallpaper again by then. I use XFCE on my laptop which I haven't used since jpeg-7 stuff came down the pipe. I may try it again tonight and see if I can make the problem go away. I'll let you know if I can find any solution.
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.3.1 query
090917 Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote: Konsole 4.3.1 -- it seems impossible to predetermine window size; It accepts 'konsole --geometry ... ', but has no effect on window size Looks like it may be a problem with more than just Konsole: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165355 Indeed ! -- so there's hope it wb fixed in a future KDE release. Konqueror 4.3.1 -- no way to import bookmarks, It appears you have to install another pkg to get this It is a dependency unless you specifically disabled the bookmarks USE flag Well, my USE list is USE=-* accessibility apm bitmap-fonts bonobo bzip2 cdr crypt cups curl dbus foomaticdb gcj gdbm gif gnutls gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal handbook imagemagick imlib java javascript jpeg kde lcms libwww lm_sensors mime motif mpeg multilib ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin nvidia opengl pcre pdf perl plotutils png pop python qt3 qt3support qt4 readline scanner session slang sqlite ssl svg threads tiff tk toolbar truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts unicode usb vim-syntax win32codecs X xcb xml xorg xv zlib so yes, anything not explicitly listed is disabled, as I prefer. So that is fixable, but not worth my time in this particular case. BTW the presence of 'gstreamer' in the list is not my choosing: the Gentoo KDE devs -- who are badly overworked -- have not fixed the bug which requires installation of sound pkgs to get KDE 4 to install (Gentoo bug 265864). in KDE4 there are still the KDE3-style window decorations I used the KDE 3 desktop from early 2005 till early 2009 , but confronted with 4.2.1 checked out alternatives found Fluxbox 1.1.1 slightly better for what I do than KDE 3.5.10 : Fluxbox is flexible enough, very fast very easy to configure. My computing is based on desktops with apps running full-screen mostly, so I have no need for plasmoids, widgets, dancing cubes the rest of it. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
[gentoo-user] Re: libssl3.so.12 not found, but why not? [SOLVED]
On 09/17/2009 01:17 PM, Per-Erik Westerberg wrote: tor 2009-09-17 klockan 11:15 -0700 skrev walt: On 09/17/2009 10:37 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Am Donnerstag 17 September 2009 19:21:44 schrieb walt: Two days ago after updating world on my ~amd64, at least two apps can't find libssl.so.12 even though it's right where it should be. ... ...I've seen this on my box at work today. The interesting thing here was that for the affected program, evolution, libssl3.so showed up four times in ldd output, where three entries showed not found while the forth showed the location of the lib. I also recompiled evolution and gnome-panel (those were the two apps that were broken) but they both depend on evolution-data-server, and recompiling that finally fixed it. Now, the next question is why didn't revdep-rebuild fix it first? Hi, I'm using ~x86 and the following fixed the issue for me : revdep-rebuild --library libnss3.so.12 Interesting, thanks. Did you happen to try just plain revdep-rebuild before adding the --library flag? I'm wondering if that flag actually does something more than plain revdep-rebuild. Anyone know for sure?
[gentoo-user] Information request: root directory not listed by df
I followed the method outlined in the Gentoo installation docs, placing /boot on a small partition. Then when booting, I specify the root directory in grub.conf. The device is listed in /etc/fstab /dev/sda4 / ext3 noatime 0 1 However, df doesn't list /dev/sda4. Is this because it was specified as a parameter? The following are listed by df: rootfs 9780176 8060012 1223356 87% / /dev/root 9780176 8060012 1223356 87% / Thank you, Alan Davis You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world, but when you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird... So let's look at the bird and see what it's doing---that's what counts. Richard Feynman
[gentoo-user] Re: Information request: root directory not listed by df
On 09/18/2009 02:20 AM, Alan E. Davis wrote: I followed the method outlined in the Gentoo installation docs, placing /boot on a small partition. Then when booting, I specify the root directory in grub.conf. The device is listed in /etc/fstab /dev/sda4 / ext3 noatime 0 1 However, df doesn't list /dev/sda4. Is this because it was specified as a parameter? The following are listed by df: rootfs 9780176 8060012 1223356 87% / /dev/root 9780176 8060012 1223356 87% / This is normal. It's just that df does not dereference symlinks; /dev/root is a symlink, in your case to /dev/sda4. That's how the root filesystem gets mounted these days. You can know the name of a bird in all the languages of the world, but when you're finished, you'll know absolutely nothing whatever about the bird... So let's look at the bird and see what it's doing---that's what counts. If that's supposed to be a sig, could you please make that more apparent?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libssl3.so.12 not found, but why not? [SOLVED]
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: On 09/17/2009 01:17 PM, Per-Erik Westerberg wrote: I'm using ~x86 and the following fixed the issue for me : revdep-rebuild --library libnss3.so.12 Interesting, thanks. Did you happen to try just plain revdep-rebuild before adding the --library flag? I'm wondering if that flag actually does something more than plain revdep-rebuild. Anyone know for sure? I did try the plain revdep-rebuild first and it showed nothing to be done. What was interesting (at least to me) was that ldd was showing the libnss3.so.12 twice, once found and the other not found. The explanation is that after upgrading to nss-2.12.4, the soname in the library changed from libssl3.so.12 to just libssl.so, so the loader (and ldd) did not use it to resolve the dependency on libssl3.so.12 in the applications. Bug https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285062 explains it in more detail.
