Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Philip Webb wrote:

101026 Dale wrote:
   

I'm installing fluxbox, got it emerged.
I use KDE but want a back up in case a upgrade goes bad.
I want to select fluxbox in kdm when I login
but also know how to start fluxbox even if kdm doesn't work.
 

Why not eschew Kdm altogether ? -- just use 'startx' + ~/.xinitrc :

   # PP 091002 : for Fluxbox-1.1.1 + KDE 4
   xscreensaver
   kdeinit4
   startfluxbox

Fluxbox mb the most under-rated piece of software in the Linux universe.

   


I'm only going to use fluxbox on occasion.  I'm a KDE user for the most 
part, all I have had for several years actually.  Someone did post a way 
to start fluxbox even if kdm won't start tho.  I guess as long as X 
works, I can start fluxbox to at least be able to use google, forums and 
the mailing list for help.


That said, I do like some things about fluxbox.  It is seriously fast.  
I have a AMD 2500+ CPU with 2Gbs of ram so you can imagine how fast it 
is.  It's fast on a 400MHz machine with a small amount of ram much less 
this rig.  lol  I may work on getting my slideshow to work on the 
desktop background and who knows, may have a convert.  ;-)


Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Dale wrote:

Vincent Launchbury wrote:

On 2010/10/26 07:29PM, Dale wrote:

Is starting fluxbox without kdm as easy as typing startfluxbox in a
console as a user?  Surely it can't be that easy.

No, since X has to be started first. X creates windows, but just puts
them all on top of each other, with no way to move them, and no way to
switch between them except by clicking. Fluxbox just runs ontop of X,
and manages it's windows, adding decorations and a sane way to control
them. For example, try doing:
xinit xterm -e /bin/bash -- /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp
and run fluxbox from the xterm. It's just a layer ontop of an already
running X.

You should be able to start fluxbox from a console with just:
startx /usr/bin/startfluxbox
which overrides the default /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc script. That should
basically create an xauthority file and run xinit, which in turn starts
X, then fluxbox, and waits for fluxbox to exit so it can shutdown X
nicely.

Regards,
Vincent.


Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)


I'll give that a try.  That is what I am looking for.  I once had kdm 
to fail on me during a KDE upgrade.  I think it was a version mismatch 
of some kind because later on as it emerged more packages, ir worked 
fine.  So, I'm looking to make sure it works with kdm, which it does, 
and without kdm, which I am about to find out.


Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-)



Just to confirm the results.  The command startx /usr/bin/startfluxbox 
worked fine here.  I forgot to do this at first so I will add this.  You 
have to stop xdm/kdm first.  I guess xdm/kdm locks the process.


Other than forgetting to stop xdm, it worked fine.  Thanks much.  I now 
have a backup GUI.  So now a KDE upgrade can bork on me and I can still 
have something.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from FX-5200 to a GeForce 6200 512MB

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Iain Buchanan wrote:

On Mon, 2010-10-25 at 22:55 -0500, Dale wrote:
   

I have a update.  Check this out:
 

hey, don't get my hopes up like that.  Still no improvement on my box.
But then, I am seeing nearly 6500 FPS  :D

   


I noticed something on mine when I did that.  I was actually doing the 
command in a Konsole.  It seemed to mess up again later on.  It got 
REALLY slow.  I decided to do things differently.  I logged out of KDE, 
went to single user mode, typed in the command to set opengl to nvidia, 
then went back to default runlevel and logged in.  It worked fine and 
has ever since.  I have logged out several times, been experimenting 
with fluxbox, and it is still fast as it was.  So, it may be best to run 
that when logged out of a GUI at least but I went to single user just to 
be certain.  I would think that stopping xdm would work just as well but 
one never knows about these things.


Maybe that will help.  Never hurts to hope.

Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop

2010-10-27 Thread Roger Cahn
Thank you for your answers.

 To get a sensible answer on a question like that, you MUST supply the
 entire
 spec of all the hardware you intend to buy. Only then can people offer an
 opinion on how good or otherwise the drivers are.

Here are the specifications:

 Specifications
 Processor  Cache Memory  Support Intel® i7 Quad Core™ Processor CPU
 Operating System  Genuine Windows® 7 Home Premium
 
 Chipset   Mobile Intel® HM55 Express Chipset
 Main Memory   DDR3 1333 MHz SDRAM, 3 x SODIMM socket for expansion up to 12GB 
 SDRAM
 
 Display   17.3 16:9 Full HD (1920x1080)/HD+ (1600x900) LED 
 backlight,Asus Splendid Video Intelligent Technology
 Video Graphics  Memory   NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 425M with 1GB DDR3 VRAM
 Hard Drive2.5 9.5mm SATA
 640GB ,5400rpm
 750GB,7200rpm
 500GB,5400rpm;7200rpm
 
 320GB,5400rpm;7200rpm
 Dual HDD support
 Optical Drive DVD Super Multi Double Layer
 Blu-ray RW
 Card Reader   4 in 1 SD,MMC,MS,MS-Pro card reader
 Video Camera  2.0 Mega Pixel web camera
 (Optional)
 Fax/Modem/LAN/WLANIntegrated 802.11 b/g/n
 Built-in Bluetooth™ V2.1+EDR (optional)
 10/100/1000 Base T
 Interface 1 x E-SATA (USB 2.0 combo)1 x Microphone-in jack
 1 x Headphone-out jack (S/PDIF)
 1 x VGA port/Mini D-sub 15-pin for external monitor
 2 x USB 2.0 ports
 
 1 x RJ45 LAN Jack for LAN insert
 1 x HDMI
 1 x WLAN On/Off Switch
 Audio Bang  Olufsen ICEpower®
 SonicFocus
 Built-in speaker and microphone
 Battery Pack  Life   6 cells: 4400 mAh 47 Whrs
 AC AdapterOutput: 19 V DC, 6.32 A, 120 W
 Input:100-240 V AC, 50/60 Hz universal

I hope it will help you...and me;-)
Roger




[gentoo-user] How should I keep my contacts ?

2010-10-27 Thread Kfir Lavi
Hi,
I'm looking for a way to keep my contacts.
What I prefer is a server with database, lets say sqlite, and a front end.
I need to read again the LDAP configuration, but wanted to know if there is
something similar but less tedious.

Regards,
Kfir


Re: [gentoo-user] How should I keep my contacts ?

2010-10-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:40 on Wednesday 27 October 2010, Kfir Lavi 
did opine thusly:

 Hi,
 I'm looking for a way to keep my contacts.
 What I prefer is a server with database, lets say sqlite, and a front end.
 I need to read again the LDAP configuration, but wanted to know if there is
 something similar but less tedious.


akonadi


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com



Re: [gentoo-user] How should I keep my contacts ?

2010-10-27 Thread Kfir Lavi
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote:

 Apparently, though unproven, at 15:40 on Wednesday 27 October 2010, Kfir
 Lavi
 did opine thusly:

  Hi,
  I'm looking for a way to keep my contacts.
  What I prefer is a server with database, lets say sqlite, and a front
 end.
  I need to read again the LDAP configuration, but wanted to know if there
 is
  something similar but less tedious.


 akonadi


 --
 alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Is there something that don't involve kde or gnome? I'm running a clean
fluxbox.

Tnx,
Kfir


Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Upgrading from FX-5200 to a GeForce 6200 512MB

2010-10-27 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday 26 October 2010 18:28:16 Arttu V. wrote:

 ~ $ equery belongs glxinfo
 [ Searching for file(s) glxinfo in *... ]
 x11-apps/mesa-progs-7.7 (/usr/bin/glxinfo)
 ~ $ equery belongs glxgears
 [ Searching for file(s) glxgears in *... ]
 x11-apps/mesa-progs-7.7 (/usr/bin/glxgears

Thank you, kind Sir! I didn't have that program installed.

-- 
Rgds
Peter.  Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.



[gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
I've been off the list a good while and wondered if there is some kind
of guide to scrap hal.

I understand it is being done away with upstream and will probably
require some changes on users part.

I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to
learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep
using my huge desktops I like to use.  For yrs I've
used.

Subsection Display
Depth   24
Modes   1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
Virtual 2048 1536 
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection

in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on.

I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf.

Other things, I noticed was the onetime I did try to dump hal I ended
up with no mouse or keyboard and fiddled with that a couple days,
finally going back to hal.

That has been probably a yr or more ago now.

Back to the point:  Can anyone provide some URLS that will help me
form a battle plan or even better a brief outline of (generally) how
to proceed with more or less painlessly dumping hal?




Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:06 on Wednesday 27 October 2010, Harry 
Putnam did opine thusly:

 I've been off the list a good while and wondered if there is some kind
 of guide to scrap hal.
 
 I understand it is being done away with upstream and will probably
 require some changes on users part.
 
 I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to
 learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep
 using my huge desktops I like to use.  For yrs I've
 used.
 
 Subsection Display
 Depth   24
 Modes   1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
 Virtual 2048 1536
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 EndSection
 
 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on.
 
 I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf.
 
 Other things, I noticed was the onetime I did try to dump hal I ended
 up with no mouse or keyboard and fiddled with that a couple days,
 finally going back to hal.
 
 That has been probably a yr or more ago now.
 
 Back to the point:  Can anyone provide some URLS that will help me
 form a battle plan or even better a brief outline of (generally) how
 to proceed with more or less painlessly dumping hal?

It should all just work automagically with no real effort from you.

However, you cannot just unmerge hal and expect stuff to work, you might still 
need it, as in:

$ emerge -pv --depclean hal

Calculating dependencies... done!
  sys-apps/hal-0.5.14-r3 pulled in by:
app-cdr/k3b-2.0.1
app-emulation/virtualbox-ose-3.2.10
app-misc/hal-info-20091130
dev-libs/e_dbus-
kde-base/solid-4.5.2
media-gfx/gimp-2.6.10
media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.9

Recent xorg-server (i.e. 1.9.1 do not have hal in USE anymore. For earlier 
versions, you may still need to set USE=-hal udev for xorg-server in 
package.use. Then rebuild xorg-server. If you are *updating* xorg-server while 
doing this, then you might need to rebuild mesa and all the drivers as usual 
for an xorg update.

As for xorg.conf. It's not quite true that you don't need an xorg.conf - this 
is still needed to define Screens and Devices if you have more than just one 
video adapter at native resolution. The part you don't need without hal is the 
Input section.

Once you have rebuilt xorg-server and made sure you run a recent udev plus 
evdev in the kernel, comment out ALL Input sections in xorg.conf and all 
references to them. Restart X.

It should all JustWork(tm). In the rare event it doesn't, post back with logs 
etc and we'll take it from there.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com




Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
 I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to
 learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep
 using my huge desktops I like to use.  For yrs I've
 used.

    Subsection Display
        Depth       24
        Modes       1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
        Virtual     2048 1536
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
 EndSection

 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on.

 I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf.

I think you would use xrandr to set it, or your desktop environment's
GUI settings panel (or equivalent).



Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
 I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to
 learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep
 using my huge desktops I like to use.  For yrs I've
 used.

    Subsection Display
        Depth       24
        Modes       1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
        Virtual     2048 1536
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
 EndSection

 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on.

 I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf.

 I think you would use xrandr to set it, or your desktop environment's
 GUI settings panel (or equivalent).

Also, I think if you still need to use an xorg.conf file if you want
to use the proprietary NVIDIA or ATI drivers. If you're using the
standard xorg drivers then it should all probe and configure
automagically. In theory. :)



Re: [gentoo-user] How should I keep my contacts ?

2010-10-27 Thread Mick
On Wednesday 27 October 2010 16:42:16 Kfir Lavi wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Alan McKinnon 
alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote:
  Apparently, though unproven, at 16:13 on Wednesday 27 October 2010, Kfir
  Lavi
  
  did opine thusly:
   On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Alan McKinnon
  
  alan.mckin...@gmail.comwrote:
Apparently, though unproven, at 15:40 on Wednesday 27 October 2010,
  
  Kfir
  
Lavi

did opine thusly:
 Hi,
 I'm looking for a way to keep my contacts.
 What I prefer is a server with database, lets say sqlite, and a
 front

end.

 I need to read again the LDAP configuration, but wanted to know if
 there

is

 something similar but less tedious.

akonadi


--
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
   
   Is there something that don't involve kde or gnome? I'm running a clean
   fluxbox.
  
  I'm going to answer your exact question with the only answer it deserves:
  
  text file with vi frontend
  
  
  
  To get a better answer, compose a better mail. To find out how to do
  that, google how to ask questions by Eric S.Raymond, read his essay,
  then come back and try again.
  
  
  --
  alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
  
  Ok I will,
 
 Tnx for your help,

I need to read this too one day.

If a front end to sqlite is needed then you can use sqlite on the CLI and 
brush up on the different commands available (man sqlite), or if you are 
looking for a GUI editor, you may want to consider sqlitebrowser:

$ eix -l sqlitebrowser
[I] dev-db/sqlitebrowser
 Available versions:  
(~) 2.00_beta1 ~amd64 ~x86
 Installed versions:  2.00_beta1(10:25:20 18/07/10)
 Homepage:http://sqlitebrowser.sourceforge.net/
 Description: SQLite Database Browser

Also, I understand that iPhone uses sqlite to manage address book entries, so 
you may find something which will also work on your desktop - have a look in 
Google.  I came across these pages as a starter for 10:

http://probertson.com/projects/addressbook/

http://www.dprogramming.com/enticeaddrbook.html

HTH.
-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vmware - help

2010-10-27 Thread Mick
On Monday 25 October 2010 22:02:32 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 Apparently, though unproven, at 19:05 on Monday 25 October 2010, Neil
 Bothwick
 
 did opine thusly:
  On Mon, 25 Oct 2010 19:55:53 +0300, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
   Not what you asked for, but my advise is to upgrade to a newer version
   of Workstation :P  7.1.2 is the current version (and it's in the
   vmware overlay.)
  
  $100+tax is a lot to pay to upgrade something you only use sporadically.
 
 This is also not the kind of solution you wanted, but I got fed up with the
 eternal bullshit of dealing with vmware. All that nonsense with aany-any
 not actually building with a kernel more recent than $X months where X is
 always kinda large.
 
 Installed VirtualBox. Build/get new appliance if necessary. All issues
 sorted.

+1

The binary is particularly quick  easy to install  set up (for personal 
use).
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Re: [gentoo-user] How should I keep my contacts ?

2010-10-27 Thread Stroller

On 27 Oct 2010, at 14:40, Kfir Lavi wrote:
 ...
 I'm looking for a way to keep my contacts.
 What I prefer is a server with database, lets say sqlite, and a front end.
 I need to read again the LDAP configuration, but wanted to know if there is 
 something similar but less tedious. 

AIUI CardDAV is supposed to be the new way to do this.

AIUI the idea is that you don't want users modifying LDAP data, but they might 
want to add notes for their contacts, and two users may have different notes, 
or even different phone numbers for the same contact (the person entrusts only 
one of the employees with their home phone number, for example).

In the Windows ecosystem Exchange handles mail, calendaring and contacts. I 
think the idea is that CardDAV joins IMAP and CalDAV and  in offering an 
open-standards answer to the same problems.

Stroller.




Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up

2010-10-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 16:32 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

   Seriously take a
  look at your swapiness value. The default value cannot be right every
  particular case.
 
 it's 60.  That seems a little high based on what you told me, but I have
 no reference value to compare it to from 2-3 weeks ago.

well, in the last few days I haven't seen any swap usage at all, which
is how the system used to run!

Strange how the swappiness changed so dramatically in recent kernels.

thanks,
-- 
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au

I can't die until the government finds a safe place to bury my liver.
-- Phil Harris




Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop

2010-10-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi,

Ask not will this work on Gentoo, rather ask will this work on
Linux!  You'll get much better responses to your research on google at
least.  If it works on any mainstream Linux distribution, there's a
99.9% chance it will work on Gentoo.

For example, I just did a google search for NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 425M
linux and found out in a few seconds that it probably works with
nvidia-drivers 260.19.06, but not nouveau (open source drivers).
http://packages.gentoo.org/package/x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers tells me
that nvidia-drivers 260.19.06 and 260.19.12 are hard-masked because
they're in the beta phase, so you may or may not have success with them.

You can repeat that search (hardware-device linux) for all the usual
problematic hardware that you decide you must have working:
  * video camera
  * wireless
  * ethernet
  * bluetooth
  * audio

however you need the actual chip or vendor name, for example Intel
PRO/Wireless 4965 not just Integrated 802.11.  The specs you gave are
a bit light on those details.  The best way to do this is run lspci on
the box in the store as someone mentioned.

Yes you will be able to install Linux on it for sure.  Still not sure
about 100% hardware compatibility.

HTH,
-- 
Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au

We have not inherited the earth from our parents, we've borrowed it from
our children.




Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Peter Humphrey wrote:

On Wednesday 27 October 2010 06:52:10 Dale wrote:

   

I once had kdm to fail on me during a KDE upgrade.  I think it was a
version mismatch of some kind because later on as it emerged more
packages, it worked fine.
 

Whenever I have a wholesale upgrade of KDE to do, I restart with no X*
(just the six VTs) and do the upgrade from there. Much safer.

* I keep a no-X startup profile in grub.conf. It omits the extra things
that KDE needs, like HAL and consolekit, and includes gpm. Occasionally
handy, and well worth the effort of maintaining grub.conf.

   


It's sort of hard to check my email with no GUI tho.  Seamonkey seems to 
need a GUI of some kind to work right.  ;-)  I usually start a upgrade 
just before I take a nap.  Now, if I need to I can use Fluxbox while KDE 
upgrades.


I might also add, if I hadn't logged out of KDE while the upgrade was in 
progress, it would have kept working since it was already loaded.  I 
think the problem was that kdelibs had upgraded but the other stuff was 
still the previous version and they just didn't like each other.


I'm hoping to build me another rig pretty soon.  Then I will have a back 
up.  May have to get me one of those keyboard/monitor switch thingys.


Are you also saying you reboot when you upgrade KDE?  Why?  This is 
Linux.  Rebooting after or before a GUI upgrade is not needed.  At worst 
a /etc/init.d/xdm restart would reload the GUI stuff.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up

2010-10-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:17:30 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

  it's 60.  That seems a little high based on what you told me, but I
  have no reference value to compare it to from 2-3 weeks ago.  
 
 well, in the last few days I haven't seen any swap usage at all, which
 is how the system used to run!
 
 Strange how the swappiness changed so dramatically in recent kernels.

I wondered the same when I checked and saw that my computers were using
60 too. But when I googled about it I found references to a default of 60
from over a year ago.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Despite the cost of living it remains popular.


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Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Neil Bothwick wrote:

On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 08:17:30 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

   

it's 60.  That seems a little high based on what you told me, but I
have no reference value to compare it to from 2-3 weeks ago.
   

well, in the last few days I haven't seen any swap usage at all, which
is how the system used to run!

Strange how the swappiness changed so dramatically in recent kernels.
 

I wondered the same when I checked and saw that my computers were using
60 too. But when I googled about it I found references to a default of 60
from over a year ago.

   


That was about the time mine got changed.  I always wondered how that 
got changed.  Since I added it to rc.conf, that should keep it from 
getting changed again.  May want to do the same on yours too.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Philip Webb
101027 Harry Putnam wrote:
 I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal.

From my notes, having done it on  2  desktops machines +  1  netbook :

  To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ;
  update to  Xorg-server = 1.8.0  -drivers = 1.8
 Xinit = 1.2.1  + drivers ;
  re-merge Exo Thunar ;
  delete refs to 'mouse' 'keyboard' in  xorg.conf ;
  remove 'hald' fr  /etc/runlevels/default/ . 

IIRC Hal is needed to the KDE desktop, but not for most KDE apps;
I use Fluxbox + quite a few KDE apps; Exo Thunar belong to Xfce.

-- 
,,
SUPPORT ___//___,   Philip Webb
ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
TRANSIT`-O--O---'   purslowatchassdotutorontodotca




Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-27 Thread Philip Webb
101027 Dale wrote:
 It's sort of hard to check my email with no GUI tho.

Have you looked at Mutt ?

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up

2010-10-27 Thread Adam Carter
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:


 That was about the time mine got changed.  I always wondered how that got
 changed.  Since I added it to rc.conf, that should keep it from getting
 changed again.  May want to do the same on yours too.


Usually you put stuff like that in /etc/sysctl.conf. IIRC the key is
vm.swappiness.


[gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes:

 101027 Harry Putnam wrote:
 I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal.

 From my notes, having done it on  2  desktops machines +  1  netbook :

Nice .. many thanks but one question

   To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ;

So no kind of hal flag in make.conf, or is `-hal' a typo that
should be `drop 'hal' flag?




[gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes:

 101027 Harry Putnam wrote:
 I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal.

 From my notes, having done it on  2  desktops machines +  1  netbook :

Nice .. many thanks but one question

   To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ;

So no kind of hal flag in make.conf, or is `-hal' a typo that
should be `drop 'hal' flag?





Re: [gentoo-user] Fluxbox and using kdm

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Philip Webb wrote:

101027 Dale wrote:
   

It's sort of hard to check my email with no GUI tho.
 

Have you looked at Mutt ?

   


I'm guessing it is a command line thing.  I like a GUI.  I could have 
used Lynx to access my email and not even have fluxbox.  ^_^  Gmail has 
web access so I could do it that way I guess.


Notice I said it was hard not impossible?  I think impossible for me 
would have been more accurate tho.  Lynx is not on my list of things I 
like and I suspect mutt would be second.  lol


I got KDE, I got Fluxbox.  As long as X itself is working, I'm good to 
go.   I hope anyway.


Dale

:-)  :-)



Re: [gentoo-user] scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Philip Webb wrote:

101027 Harry Putnam wrote:
   

I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal.
 

 From my notes, having done it on  2  desktops machines +  1  netbook :

   To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ;
   update to  Xorg-server= 1.8.0  -drivers= 1.8
  Xinit= 1.2.1  + drivers ;
   re-merge Exo Thunar ;
   delete refs to 'mouse' 'keyboard' in  xorg.conf ;
   remove 'hald' fr  /etc/runlevels/default/ .

IIRC Hal is needed to the KDE desktop, but not for most KDE apps;
I use Fluxbox + quite a few KDE apps; Exo Thunar belong to Xfce.

   


I think KDE is moving away from hal to tho.  I read somewhere the switch 
is coming.  I think it is switching to policykit at some point.  I 
notice it is already in the USE flags for kdelibs here, disabled here at 
the moment tho.  That would be if it doesn't change again.


Dale

:-)  :-)



[gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes:

 On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
 I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to
 learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep
 using my huge desktops I like to use.  For yrs I've
 used.

    Subsection Display
        Depth       24
        Modes       1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
        Virtual     2048 1536
        ViewPort    0 0
    EndSubsection
 EndSection

 in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
 To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on.

 I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf.

 I think you would use xrandr to set it, or your desktop environment's
 GUI settings panel (or equivalent).

I may be using xrandr wrong but it doesn't do the trick used like
this:

I'm running an `emerge world' so didn't want to close down X so I used
Ctrl-alt F1 to leave X and then Ctrl-alt F2 to login on a different
virtual terminal.

Then commented out the `Virtual' line in xorg.conf:

EndSubsection
Subsection Display
Depth   24
Modes   1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
#Virtual 2048 1536 
ViewPort0 0
EndSubsection
EndSection


Then startx on a different display.

  startx -- :1

Once X is up:

  xrandr no args
  shows 1280x1024 as being the highest resolution.


  xrandr -s 2048x1536 shows:

  Size  2048x1536 not found in available modes

The xfce display setting tool also shows 1280 as the highest possible
setting.

I've asked before where else this might be set... in more than 1
forum.  I think you may find its not all that easy to set a Resolution
way higher than your card supports.




Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up

2010-10-27 Thread Dale

Adam Carter wrote:


On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com 
mailto:rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:



That was about the time mine got changed.  I always wondered how
that got changed.  Since I added it to rc.conf, that should keep
it from getting changed again.  May want to do the same on yours too.


Usually you put stuff like that in /etc/sysctl.conf. IIRC the key is 
vm.swappiness.



Looking at the man page, I would think you are correct but I don't see a 
example on that setting.  I'll have to google for it I guess.


Putting it in rc.conf does work tho.  I also used to have to adjust my 
fan divisor settings and I did that in rc.conf as well.


Dale

:-)  :-)


Re: [gentoo-user] swap usage creeping up

2010-10-27 Thread Adam Carter
 Usually you put stuff like that in /etc/sysctl.conf. IIRC the key is
 vm.swappiness.



 Looking at the man page, I would think you are correct but I don't see a
 example on that setting.  I'll have to google for it I guess.

 Putting it in rc.conf does work tho.  I also used to have to adjust my fan
 divisor settings and I did that in rc.conf as well.



IIRC you're using echo 10  /proc/sys/vm/swappiness. If it were me if
would use vm.swappiness=10 in sysctl since in this case the control option
is available, then fall back to /etc/conf.d/local.start for echo 10  type
stuff if there was no sysctl option.


Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal

2010-10-27 Thread Paul Colquhoun
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:54:51 Harry Putnam wrote:
 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes:
  On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote:
  I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to
  learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep
  using my huge desktops I like to use.  For yrs I've
  used.
  
 Subsection Display
 Depth   24
 Modes   1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
 Virtual 2048 1536
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
  EndSection
  
  in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
  To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on.
  
  I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf.
  
  I think you would use xrandr to set it, or your desktop environment's
  GUI settings panel (or equivalent).
 
 I may be using xrandr wrong but it doesn't do the trick used like
 this:
 
 I'm running an `emerge world' so didn't want to close down X so I used
 Ctrl-alt F1 to leave X and then Ctrl-alt F2 to login on a different
 virtual terminal.
 
 Then commented out the `Virtual' line in xorg.conf:
 
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth   24
 Modes   1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480
 #Virtual 2048 1536
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 EndSection
 
 
 Then startx on a different display.
 
   startx -- :1
 
 Once X is up:
 
   xrandr no args
   shows 1280x1024 as being the highest resolution.
 
 
   xrandr -s 2048x1536 shows:
 
   Size  2048x1536 not found in available modes
 
 The xfce display setting tool also shows 1280 as the highest possible
 setting.
 
 I've asked before where else this might be set... in more than 1
 forum.  I think you may find its not all that easy to set a Resolution
 way higher than your card supports.


Did you look at the man page for xrandr?

I think you need the --fb  --panning options. There is even an example 
towards the end of the man page.


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