[gentoo-user] nvidia update problems
Merry Christmas! I'm trying to update system, but stuck with the following message: * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be * installed at the same time on the same system. (x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-260.19.29, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers required by (x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.9, ebuild scheduled for merge) =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-100.14.09 required by (gnome-extra/sensors-applet-2.2.4, installed) x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers required by (media-video/nvidia-settings-195.36.24, installed) (and 1 more) I have no idea what that means. What should I do? -- Gary Golden Portage 2.1.9.25 (default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop/gnome, gcc-4.4.4, glibc-2.11.2-r3, 2.6.35-gentoo-r12 i686) = System uname: linux-2.6.35-gentoo-r12-i686-intel-r-_core-tm-2_duo_cpu_t93...@_2.50ghz-with-gentoo-1.12.14 Timestamp of tree: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 07:30:01 + app-shells/bash: 4.1_p7 dev-java/java-config: 2.1.11-r1 dev-lang/python: 2.6.6-r1, 3.1.2-r4 dev-util/cmake: 2.8.1-r2 sys-apps/baselayout: 1.12.14-r1 sys-apps/sandbox:2.4 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.65-r1 sys-devel/automake: 1.9.6-r3, 1.10.3, 1.11.1 sys-devel/binutils: 2.20.1-r1 sys-devel/gcc: 3.4.6-r2, 4.4.4-r2 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1 sys-devel/libtool: 2.2.10 sys-devel/make: 3.81-r2 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.30-r1 (sys-kernel/linux-headers) ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ACCEPT_LICENSE=* CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/openvpn/easy-rsa /var/lib/hsqldb CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/php/apache2-php5.3/ext-active/ /etc/php/cgi-php5.3/ext-active/ /etc/php/cli-php5.3/ext-active/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo CXXFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=assume-digests binpkg-logs distlocks fixlafiles fixpackages news parallel-fetch protect-owned sandbox sfperms strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://distfiles.gentoo.org; LANG=en_US.UTF-8 LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed LINGUAS=ru MAKEOPTS=-j3 PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT=/ PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=X a52 aac acl acpi aim alsa apache2 bash-completion bluetooth branding bzip2 cairo cdda cdr cli colordiff connection-sharing consolekit cracklib crypt cscope cups curl curlwrappers cxx dbus dhcpcd djvu dri dts dvd dvdr eds emboss encode evo examples exif fam fbcon ffmpeg firefox flac fortran ftp fuse gconf gd gdbm gdu gif gnome gnome-keyring gnutls gpm gsm gstreamer gtk gzip hal hddtemp iconv icq idn ieee1394 imap innodb jabber jack java javascript jpeg kqemu lame lcms libnotify lirc lua lzo mad matroska matrox mikmod mime mmx mng modules mp3 mp4 mpeg msn mtp mudflap musepack mysql mysqli nautilus ncurses networkmanager nls nptl nptlonly nvidia ogg opengl openmp pam pango pch pcmcia pcre pdf perl php png policykit portage ppds pppd pulseaudio python qt3support qt4 rdesktop readline rss sasl sdl session sharedmem smp sms sockets spell spl sqlite sqlite3 sse sse2 ssl startup-notification svg svga sysfs syslog tcpd theora tiff truetype udev unicode usb vhosts vim-syntax vnc vorbis wifi win32codecs wxwidgets x264 x86 xcb xml xorg xulrunner xv xvid xvmc yahoo zlib ALSA_CARDS=ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci emu10k1 emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem ymfpci ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol APACHE2_MODULES=actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache cgi cgid dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_alias COLLECTD_PLUGINS=df interface irq load memory rrdtool swap syslog ELIBC=glibc GPSD_PROTOCOLS=ashtech aivdm earthmate evermore fv18 garmin garmintxt gpsclock itrax mtk3301 nmea ntrip navcom oceanserver oldstyle oncore rtcm104v2 rtcm104v3 sirf superstar2 timing tsip tripmate tnt ubx INPUT_DEVICES=evdev synaptics KERNEL=linux LCD_DEVICES=bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text LINGUAS=ru
[gentoo-user] Is metadata-transfer still needed when using overlays?
Back when I initially installed Gentoo for the first time, using: FEATURES=metadata-transfer was imperative when using overlays that had eclasses. Is this still true?
Re: [gentoo-user] Core i7 M620 power management problem
On Friday 31 December 2010 01:22:11 Bill Longman wrote: On 12/30/2010 02:44 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 2010-12-30 18:54, schrieb Bill Longman: On 12/30/2010 12:59 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Bill, just for a check, does it scale correctly if you boot from a live-cd? Well, if I change the BIOS to turn off SpeedStep, it goes to 2.67 GHz.works great! good to hear. So it is solved? LOL! Well, if by solved you mean that I am able to use the full power of my CPU, then, yes, it is solved. However, it is now completely incapable of having its CPU controlled for power, so once I go on batteries, I have about an hour and a halfso in that sense, no, it's not solved. No, it's not solved. I am going to burn an ISO and boot one of those other distros that shall remain nameless and see if there is something strange with my Gentoo kernel madness or whether it's this machine. Hmm ... could it be a buggy BIOS? Are you running the latest firmware for it? Have you diff'ed the LiveCD kernel and yours? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia update problems
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 13:29:19 +0500, Gary Golden wrote: I have no idea what that means. What should I do? Read the list archives, this was discussed and solved less than two days ago. Hint: Look for the thread with the subject media-video/nvidia-settings-256.52 is blocking x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-260.19.29 -- Neil Bothwick The careful application of terror is also a form of communication. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia update problems
On Friday 31 December 2010 11:56:05 Neil Bothwick wrote: media-video/nvidia-settings-256.52 is blocking x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-260.19.29 So'm I. Ever since I upgraded nvidia-drivers to 260-19-29 I've had to recompile it every time I boot the system. This is weird. When I start the system, instead of the kdm login screen I get a blinking cursor in the top-right of a blank screen. An emerge of nvidia-drivers enables me to restart kdm and get a proper screen. This is in spite of not having been able to unload the old nvidia module because it was in use. Therefore I'm going to mask this version of nvidia-drivers and revert to the previous version. (No apologies for hijacking a vestigial thread.) -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia update problems
On Friday 31 December 2010 12:52:08 I wrote: When I start the system, instead of the kdm login screen I get a blinking cursor in the top-right of a blank screen. Of course that should have been the top-left. Sorry. -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia update problems
On Friday 31 December 2010 12:52:08 Peter Humphrey wrote: Therefore I'm going to mask this version of nvidia-drivers and revert to the previous version. That made no difference. Nor did reverting to the previous kernel revision. I noticed that xdm-setup was being run even though I had rc_hotplug=!* in /etc/rc.conf, so I stepped through a boot sequence and prevented xdm-setup from running. Xdm then refused to start. What is this xdm-setup? -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
[gentoo-user] Emerge timeout
Is it possible to increase the timeout on the downloads? My proxy server at work scans all incoming files but only does so once emerge things the file is 99% complete it then timesouts after a bit as the scan has (presumably) not finished? If it could only hang on in there for a while longer. -- --- N: Jon Hardcastle E: j...@ehardcastle.com ---
Re: [gentoo-user] Emerge timeout
On Friday 31 December 2010 15:17:42 Jon Hardcastle wrote: My proxy server at work scans all incoming files but only does so once emerge things the file is 99% complete it then timesouts after a bit as the scan has (presumably) not finished? If it could only hang on in there for a while longer. Have a look at FETCHCOMMAND in /usr/share/portage/config/make.conf.example -- Rgds Peter. Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23.
[gentoo-user] RAID6/ext4 for /?
I haven't seen much discussion of ext4. Are people using it? I have a new RAID6 I'm considering putting it on. I'd like to possibly make the partition /, copy the existing system there and then use an initrd to boot when I finally figure that out. (Never used one...) Anything specific about ext4 that would make this a problem vs ext3. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID6/ext4 for /?
On 31/12/2010, at 4:16pm, Mark Knecht wrote: I haven't seen much discussion of ext4. Are people using it? Yeah, it seems pretty good. Anecdotally it seems stable enough, I don't see why it should be less so than ext3, now. Deletes are *much* faster than with ext3. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Calendar applications
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 03:55:29AM +, Stroller wrote: On 30/12/2010, at 11:22pm, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: ... I'm looking for a lightweight calendar application that can do the following things: Event handling (preferrably also a support for recurring events) Notification of events Handle several calendars at once (as in showing all calendars in one view and preferrably colour coded) Import of other calendars (iCal) I've been looking for an application that matches this but I can't seem to find any. Hi there, I'm not being argumentative here, just curious: in what way doesn't Sunbird meet these requirements? I'm more interested in calendaring servers (and unfortunately the choice of those is pretty dire) and using Apple iCal on MacOS as a front-end, but those sound like really basic requirements, and I'm surprised that any calendar doesn't meet them. iCal certainly meets them all (even with basic local storage), although I appreciate that's not much help to you. Primarily because I tend to steer away from Mozilla products if I can (they just don't seem to feel right, somehow. (I know, great argument)). I absolutely wouldn't mind setting up a server and using some frontend, the question is just which front end. And when I set out to find calendar I really thought they were very basic requirements. My google-fu told me I was wrong. But yeah, Sunbird meets the requirements, I'd just prefer to go down another road (if there is one). -- Best Regards Zeerak Waseem
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID6/ext4 for /?
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 31/12/2010, at 4:16pm, Mark Knecht wrote: I haven't seen much discussion of ext4. Are people using it? Yeah, it seems pretty good. Anecdotally it seems stable enough, I don't see why it should be less so than ext3, now. Deletes are *much* faster than with ext3. Stroller. Thanks Stroller. I saw a web page where Google announced this December that they were going to be using it. I figured I might as well finally get on board. The next thing I need to understand is the initramfs stuff. My existing RAID1 (md5 below, 3 disks) uses a 0.90 Super Block which get auto-assembled by the kernel at boot. The new RAID6 (md3 below, 5 disks) uses Ver 1.2 which, as I understand it, won't get auto-assembled and requires the initramfs. I'm currently going through the Gentoo docs to learn about setting that up. Cheers, Mark m...@c2stable ~ $ cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [linear] [raid0] [raid1] [raid10] [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] md6 : active raid1 sdc6[2] sdb6[1] sda6[0] 247416933 blocks super 1.1 [3/3] [UUU] md3 : active raid6 sdb3[1] sdc3[2] sda3[0] sdd3[3] sde3[4] 157305168 blocks super 1.2 level 6, 16k chunk, algorithm 2 [5/5] [U] md5 : active raid1 sdc5[2] sdb5[1] sda5[0] 52436032 blocks [3/3] [UUU] unused devices: none m...@c2stable ~ $
[gentoo-user] Re: nvidia update problems
On 12/31/2010 04:52 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: This is weird. When I start the system, instead of the kdm login screen I get a blinking cursor in the top-right of a blank screen. An emerge of nvidia-drivers enables me to restart kdm and get a proper screen. This is in spite of not having been able to unload the old nvidia module because it was in use. I've noticed that running the NVIDIA installation program manually puts the resulting nvidia.ko in a different directory than when using emerge to do the install. So, if you've ever run the NVIDIA install program manually, you probably have two different nvidia.ko files in /lib/modules, and the wrong one gets loaded automatically at boot time. Re-emerging nvidia-drivers will build *and* load the correct kernel module each time you do it. May not be your problem but it's easy to check, at least.
[gentoo-user] Re: Calendar applications
On 12/31/2010 08:35 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 03:55:29AM +, Stroller wrote: On 30/12/2010, at 11:22pm, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: ... I'm looking for a lightweight calendar application that can do the following things: Event handling (preferrably also a support for recurring events) Notification of events Handle several calendars at once (as in showing all calendars in one view and preferrably colour coded) Import of other calendars (iCal) I've been looking for an application that matches this but I can't seem to find any. Hi there, I'm not being argumentative here, just curious: in what way doesn't Sunbird meet these requirements? I'm more interested in calendaring servers (and unfortunately the choice of those is pretty dire) and using Apple iCal on MacOS as a front-end, but those sound like really basic requirements, and I'm surprised that any calendar doesn't meet them. iCal certainly meets them all (even with basic local storage), although I appreciate that's not much help to you. Primarily because I tend to steer away from Mozilla products if I can (they just don't seem to feel right, somehow. (I know, great argument)). I absolutely wouldn't mind setting up a server and using some frontend, the question is just which front end. And when I set out to find calendar I really thought they were very basic requirements. My google-fu told me I was wrong. But yeah, Sunbird meets the requirements, I'd just prefer to go down another road (if there is one). Have you tried Evolution? It's intended to be an open-source replacement for M$ Outlook. It's a lot more than just a calendar client, though, so it's not lightweight..
[gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? I use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs here but never had a power problem, except when hal broke my stuff. I know XFS is not good for this already from my own personal experience. Does anyone here have any personal experience on this? Just a 'I use this and had a power failure and it powered up fine with no data loss' would be nice. If this happened a lot and still worked, that would be even better. I'm not looking to start a turf war. This will be a plain old desktop so it doesn't need a fancy file system, just one that recovers from a power failure. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] xorg 1.9.2 and nodead keys ?
Hi after updateing to xorg server 1.9.2. first my keyboard layout has gone, which I got back via adding an appropiate option to 10-evdev.conf. Unfortunately I could not find any option to get back the nodead-keys. What do I have to add where for that? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards and a happy new year! mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Hi, If you don't use a UPS, what you want is journaling file system that is configured to do a lot of syncing. However, the syncing will make writing really slow. Ext4 has the latest features. Especially, if you want to use an SSD. To really be reliable you must use a UPS which can signal when a clean shutdown is needed. Not having one is just asking for grief. With this functionality, you will not need the excessive syncing and writing can be fast. Additionally, if you don't have the cleanest power, having a UPS will extend the life of the hard drive and potentially the rest of the system as well as eliminating apparently random data corruption. I very much like the CyberPower Intelligent LCD Series. It has a USB connection which works with sys-power/nut and an LCD display. -Arthur On Fri, 2010-12-31 at 14:12 -0600, Dale wrote: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? I use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs here but never had a power problem, except when hal broke my stuff. I know XFS is not good for this already from my own personal experience. Does anyone here have any personal experience on this? Just a 'I use this and had a power failure and it powered up fine with no data loss' would be nice. If this happened a lot and still worked, that would be even better. I'm not looking to start a turf war. This will be a plain old desktop so it doesn't need a fancy file system, just one that recovers from a power failure. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Apparently, though unproven, at 22:12 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? I use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs here but never had a power problem, except when hal broke my stuff. I know XFS is not good for this already from my own personal experience. Does anyone here have any personal experience on this? Just a 'I use this and had a power failure and it powered up fine with no data loss' would be nice. If this happened a lot and still worked, that would be even better. I'm not looking to start a turf war. This will be a plain old desktop so it doesn't need a fancy file system, just one that recovers from a power failure. Down here we have Africa power. Africa power makes post-Katrina power look tame. Total corruptions in 5 years with reiserfs-3.6 and NO ups in that environment = zero. I can't fairly comment on ext[234] as I don't have the same length of experience with them. From what other commentators have said elsewhere it looks like with optimum settings and tweaks they can be just as good as I got from reiser, but that's just hearsay from me. My gut feel on this is that any modern fs will be built to be able to tolerate blackouts - it's almost a requirement these days. So it's likely a 6 and half- dozen question in reality. Except XFS as you know, but that's a special case (aggressive caching virtually requires a UPS or guaranteed no-downtime power) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID6/ext4 for /?
Apparently, though unproven, at 18:41 on Friday 31 December 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: On 31/12/2010, at 4:16pm, Mark Knecht wrote: I haven't seen much discussion of ext4. Are people using it? Yeah, it seems pretty good. Anecdotally it seems stable enough, I don't see why it should be less so than ext3, now. Deletes are *much* faster than with ext3. I get the same with ext4 on three machines: Latest Ubuntu on the Acer notebook This here gentoo notebook Android Donut on the phone Seems reliably enough - no problems yet after 1 full year. Nothing unusual about my usage except the notebook compiles stuff almost constantly, is always running three VMs at least and is hardly never switched off -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: nvidia update problems
Apparently, though unproven, at 20:54 on Friday 31 December 2010, walt did opine thusly: On 12/31/2010 04:52 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: This is weird. When I start the system, instead of the kdm login screen I get a blinking cursor in the top-right of a blank screen. An emerge of nvidia-drivers enables me to restart kdm and get a proper screen. This is in spite of not having been able to unload the old nvidia module because it was in use. I've noticed that running the NVIDIA installation program manually puts the resulting nvidia.ko in a different directory than when using emerge to do the install. So, if you've ever run the NVIDIA install program manually, you probably have two different nvidia.ko files in /lib/modules, and the wrong one gets loaded automatically at boot time. Re-emerging nvidia-drivers will build *and* load the correct kernel module each time you do it. May not be your problem but it's easy to check, at least. module-rebuild takes care of all that niceyl. You only have to remember to run that one command, not all the individual out- of-mainline modules you have installed. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Arthur Britto wrote: Hi, If you don't use a UPS, what you want is journaling file system that is configured to do a lot of syncing. However, the syncing will make writing really slow. Ext4 has the latest features. Especially, if you want to use an SSD. To really be reliable you must use a UPS which can signal when a clean shutdown is needed. Not having one is just asking for grief. With this functionality, you will not need the excessive syncing and writing can be fast. Additionally, if you don't have the cleanest power, having a UPS will extend the life of the hard drive and potentially the rest of the system as well as eliminating apparently random data corruption. I very much like the CyberPower Intelligent LCD Series. It has a USB connection which works with sys-power/nut and an LCD display. -Arthur I was thinking a journaling file system would be best. I was even curious about ext4. I have not used ext4 yet but giving ot some thought. May try that on my brothers and see how it does. He is currently using windoze XP. I can't count the number of times the power has went off. I been telling him for years that he is just plain asking for it. He is one of those, if it works, don't change anything to make it better types. So, when something blows up, he will have a healthy dose of regret and 20/20 hindsight too. I have a older CyberPower 1250AVR myself and it works OK. I have yet to get nut configured properly tho. I installed the same version and copied the config files from my old rig over, it just fills up messages with errors and such. That may be another thread one day. I like the CyberPower UPS's too. I put in new batteries a couple years ago for mine. We live on the end of the line so we do have spikes, surges and all that. I checked on the internals of my UPS and it has a healthy set of MOV's in there. I was glad to see that. I think that is one reason my old rig has lasted so long. Thanks for the info. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID6/ext4 for /?
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 18:41 on Friday 31 December 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: On 31/12/2010, at 4:16pm, Mark Knecht wrote: I haven't seen much discussion of ext4. Are people using it? Yeah, it seems pretty good. Anecdotally it seems stable enough, I don't see why it should be less so than ext3, now. Deletes are *much* faster than with ext3. I get the same with ext4 on three machines: Latest Ubuntu on the Acer notebook This here gentoo notebook Android Donut on the phone Seems reliably enough - no problems yet after 1 full year. Nothing unusual about my usage except the notebook compiles stuff almost constantly, is always running three VMs at least and is hardly never switched off -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Thanks Alan. That's good info. As this is intended to be more or less a duplicate of the existing system on this box, just placed on a new RAID6, I've opted not to do the disk copy as per the thread this week. No LiveCD, I just followed the Gentoo install from within a terminal on this box. It's flying along with nearly everything done expect the new kernel. The holdup there will be figuring out what an initramfs really is and what really needs to be included in it. I'm following this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs which is reasonable, We'll see how it goes. I will say that the install on this 5-disk RAID6 running ext4 seems speedy compared to the 3-disk RAID1 running ext3 that I'm currently using. Probably I'm just imagining that... Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:12 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? I use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs here but never had a power problem, except when hal broke my stuff. I know XFS is not good for this already from my own personal experience. Does anyone here have any personal experience on this? Just a 'I use this and had a power failure and it powered up fine with no data loss' would be nice. If this happened a lot and still worked, that would be even better. I'm not looking to start a turf war. This will be a plain old desktop so it doesn't need a fancy file system, just one that recovers from a power failure. Down here we have Africa power. Africa power makes post-Katrina power look tame. Total corruptions in 5 years with reiserfs-3.6 and NO ups in that environment = zero. I can't fairly comment on ext[234] as I don't have the same length of experience with them. From what other commentators have said elsewhere it looks like with optimum settings and tweaks they can be just as good as I got from reiser, but that's just hearsay from me. My gut feel on this is that any modern fs will be built to be able to tolerate blackouts - it's almost a requirement these days. So it's likely a 6 and half- dozen question in reality. Except XFS as you know, but that's a special case (aggressive caching virtually requires a UPS or guaranteed no-downtime power) I have /boot on ext2. Portage is on ext3. I have reiserfs on everything else. I did have the hal problem and a power supply fan that died and I had to pull the plug. All the file systems I use recovered nicely after those problems. I didn't lose anything that I know of. Is reiserfs being maintained anymore? I have read where some say it is not but I have also read they are working on version 4 and it is being maintained. Not sure what to believe on this one. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: xorg 1.9.2 and nodead keys ?
meino.cra...@gmx.de: after updateing to xorg server 1.9.2. first my keyboard layout has gone, Same here. which I got back via adding an appropiate option to 10-evdev.conf. Lucky one. *g* Googling shows that this file should be located in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d. Well, i do not have such a directory and am considering to create one. Unfortunately I could not find any option to get back the nodead-keys. That one i will need also. What do I have to add where for that? Lurking. :) -- Hartmut
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? I use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs here but never had a power problem, except when hal broke my stuff. I know XFS is not good for this already from my own personal experience. Does anyone here have any personal experience on this? Just a 'I use this and had a power failure and it powered up fine with no data loss' would be nice. If this happened a lot and still worked, that would be even better. I'm not looking to start a turf war. This will be a plain old desktop so it doesn't need a fancy file system, just one that recovers from a power failure. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) Nothing much to say that others haven't said. I'm trying ext4 for the first time starting today. I ran across this page yesterday that might be of interest. I don't see anything specific to your question but maybe you will. Cheers, Mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_comparison
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:22 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 22:12 on Friday 31 December 2010, Dale did opine thusly: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? I use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs here but never had a power problem, except when hal broke my stuff. I know XFS is not good for this already from my own personal experience. Does anyone here have any personal experience on this? Just a 'I use this and had a power failure and it powered up fine with no data loss' would be nice. If this happened a lot and still worked, that would be even better. I'm not looking to start a turf war. This will be a plain old desktop so it doesn't need a fancy file system, just one that recovers from a power failure. Down here we have Africa power. Africa power makes post-Katrina power look tame. Total corruptions in 5 years with reiserfs-3.6 and NO ups in that environment = zero. I can't fairly comment on ext[234] as I don't have the same length of experience with them. From what other commentators have said elsewhere it looks like with optimum settings and tweaks they can be just as good as I got from reiser, but that's just hearsay from me. My gut feel on this is that any modern fs will be built to be able to tolerate blackouts - it's almost a requirement these days. So it's likely a 6 and half- dozen question in reality. Except XFS as you know, but that's a special case (aggressive caching virtually requires a UPS or guaranteed no-downtime power) I have /boot on ext2. Portage is on ext3. I have reiserfs on everything else. I did have the hal problem and a power supply fan that died and I had to pull the plug. All the file systems I use recovered nicely after those problems. I didn't lose anything that I know of. Is reiserfs being maintained anymore? I have read where some say it is not but I have also read they are working on version 4 and it is being maintained. Not sure what to believe on this one. When was the last time portage offered you a reiser update? The reiser4progs ebuild has 13 Changelog entries in 2.5 years, 8 of them are stabilisation toe various arches. Current version is 1.0.7 and has been there for 23 months. reiserfsprogs is similar, on 3.6.21 for 23 months and one update (not a stabilisation) since Aug 2007 reiser4 is not in the mainline kernel, and highly unlikely to ever be there according to the last thing I heard Linus say on the matter. Yes, it's in Zen IIRC, but Zen is not mainline. And reiser4 will probably never have a real fsck either (technical restriction - it's plugins that do the work and fsck cannot know what the plugins did) Hans *was* reiserfs for all practical purposes. SuSE funded most of Reiserfs in the early days and they have switched away from it for logistic reasons. Does any of that sound to you like actively maintained? It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is maintaining it. If everything else around it stays the same, the fs will obviously continue working just as it always did. But the surrounding system is not stable, it changes rapidly, especially in kernel space, so the odds are stacked against reiser for bitrot. For all these reasons, I regretfully switched my own systems over to ext4 some time ago. Rieser was a good fs whose time has come and gone and I no longer had warm and fuzzies about the future with it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID6/ext4 for /?
Apparently, though unproven, at 23:18 on Friday 31 December 2010, Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 18:41 on Friday 31 December 2010, Stroller did opine thusly: On 31/12/2010, at 4:16pm, Mark Knecht wrote: I haven't seen much discussion of ext4. Are people using it? Yeah, it seems pretty good. Anecdotally it seems stable enough, I don't see why it should be less so than ext3, now. Deletes are *much* faster than with ext3. I get the same with ext4 on three machines: Latest Ubuntu on the Acer notebook This here gentoo notebook Android Donut on the phone Seems reliably enough - no problems yet after 1 full year. Nothing unusual about my usage except the notebook compiles stuff almost constantly, is always running three VMs at least and is hardly never switched off -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com Thanks Alan. That's good info. As this is intended to be more or less a duplicate of the existing system on this box, just placed on a new RAID6, I've opted not to do the disk copy as per the thread this week. No LiveCD, I just followed the Gentoo install from within a terminal on this box. It's flying along with nearly everything done expect the new kernel. The holdup there will be figuring out what an initramfs really is and what really needs to be included in it. I'm following this: http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs which is reasonable, We'll see how it goes. I will say that the install on this 5-disk RAID6 running ext4 seems speedy compared to the 3-disk RAID1 running ext3 that I'm currently using. Probably I'm just imagining that... Maybe you do have observer bias. Or maybe you bought new shiny *faster* disks :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
reiser4 is fully atomic. A transactions happens completely or it doesn't. Unlike ext4 or btrfs or xfs. reiser4 also uses barriers (the others use them too, but), when barriers are not available for some reason or another, it complains in dmesg and goes into sync mode. This combined makes it pretty robust against power failures. You won't get the good old xfs/ext4/btrfs problem that a rename can end with two useless empty files.
Re: [gentoo-user] RAID6/ext4 for /?
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 23:18 on Friday 31 December 2010, Mark Knecht SNIP I will say that the install on this 5-disk RAID6 running ext4 seems speedy compared to the 3-disk RAID1 running ext3 that I'm currently using. Probably I'm just imagining that... Maybe you do have observer bias. Or maybe you bought new shiny *faster* disks :-) I vote for the former. Same disks, just different partitions... - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Alan McKinnon wrote: When was the last time portage offered you a reiser update? The reiser4progs ebuild has 13 Changelog entries in 2.5 years, 8 of them are stabilisation toe various arches. Current version is 1.0.7 and has been there for 23 months. reiserfsprogs is similar, on 3.6.21 for 23 months and one update (not a stabilisation) since Aug 2007 reiser4 is not in the mainline kernel, and highly unlikely to ever be there according to the last thing I heard Linus say on the matter. Yes, it's in Zen IIRC, but Zen is not mainline. And reiser4 will probably never have a real fsck either (technical restriction - it's plugins that do the work and fsck cannot know what the plugins did) Hans *was* reiserfs for all practical purposes. SuSE funded most of Reiserfs in the early days and they have switched away from it for logistic reasons. Does any of that sound to you like actively maintained? It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is maintaining it. If everything else around it stays the same, the fs will obviously continue working just as it always did. But the surrounding system is not stable, it changes rapidly, especially in kernel space, so the odds are stacked against reiser for bitrot. For all these reasons, I regretfully switched my own systems over to ext4 some time ago. Rieser was a good fs whose time has come and gone and I no longer had warm and fuzzies about the future with it. I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was just that good. lol This is also the reason I was considering moving to ext4 or something. How has ext4 been treating you since the switch? I also assume you have UPSs as well? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Apparently, though unproven, at 00:27 on Saturday 01 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is maintaining it. If everything else around it stays the same, the fs will obviously continue working just as it always did. But the surrounding system is not stable, it changes rapidly, especially in kernel space, so the odds are stacked against reiser for bitrot. For all these reasons, I regretfully switched my own systems over to ext4 some time ago. Rieser was a good fs whose time has come and gone and I no longer had warm and fuzzies about the future with it. I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was just that good. lol This is also the reason I was considering moving to ext4 or something. How has ext4 been treating you since the switch? I also assume you have UPSs as well? It's still early days, but ext4 has been good here on all machines. I don't have a UPS (couldn't be bothered really...) so the UPS is the device's battery. Which means me doing something really stupid and locking the machine up is the most common reason for hard reboots. It survived every time so far. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
On Friday 31 December 2010 16:27:02 Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: When was the last time portage offered you a reiser update? The reiser4progs ebuild has 13 Changelog entries in 2.5 years, 8 of them are stabilisation toe various arches. Current version is 1.0.7 and has been there for 23 months. reiserfsprogs is similar, on 3.6.21 for 23 months and one update (not a stabilisation) since Aug 2007 reiser4 is not in the mainline kernel, and highly unlikely to ever be there according to the last thing I heard Linus say on the matter. Yes, it's in Zen IIRC, but Zen is not mainline. And reiser4 will probably never have a real fsck either (technical restriction - it's plugins that do the work and fsck cannot know what the plugins did) Hans *was* reiserfs for all practical purposes. SuSE funded most of Reiserfs in the early days and they have switched away from it for logistic reasons. Does any of that sound to you like actively maintained? It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is maintaining it. If everything else around it stays the same, the fs will obviously continue working just as it always did. But the surrounding system is not stable, it changes rapidly, especially in kernel space, so the odds are stacked against reiser for bitrot. For all these reasons, I regretfully switched my own systems over to ext4 some time ago. Rieser was a good fs whose time has come and gone and I no longer had warm and fuzzies about the future with it. I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was just that good. lol you are obviously not subscribed to the reiserfs ml. There are the occasional fixes and lately even some (minor) updates. Being in maintenance mode is a GOOD THING for a file system.
[gentoo-user] Re: xorg 1.9.2 and nodead keys ?
Hartmut Figge: meino.cra...@gmx.de: Unfortunately I could not find any option to get back the nodead-keys. That one i will need also. The main problem was that after upgrading there was a pointer to http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.9-upgrade-guide.xml which was quite useless, but no pointer to the real information on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml I had to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, to copy the file 10-evdev.conf from /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d and then to modify that 10-evdev.conf. At the moment i am unable to copy paste from the mc. I have still to figure out how the mouse under X11 can recognize gpm, but i can manually type the needed lines. Driver evdev Option XkbLayout de Option XKbVariant nodeadkeys -- Hartmut
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Alan McKinnon wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 00:27 on Saturday 01 January 2011, Dale did opine thusly: It's my opinion that reiser is in security-fix-only mode from whoever is maintaining it. If everything else around it stays the same, the fs will obviously continue working just as it always did. But the surrounding system is not stable, it changes rapidly, especially in kernel space, so the odds are stacked against reiser for bitrot. For all these reasons, I regretfully switched my own systems over to ext4 some time ago. Rieser was a good fs whose time has come and gone and I no longer had warm and fuzzies about the future with it. I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was just that good. lol This is also the reason I was considering moving to ext4 or something. How has ext4 been treating you since the switch? I also assume you have UPSs as well? It's still early days, but ext4 has been good here on all machines. I don't have a UPS (couldn't be bothered really...) so the UPS is the device's battery. Which means me doing something really stupid and locking the machine up is the most common reason for hard reboots. It survived every time so far. That sounds good. Your situation is not a theory but real and in practice. We all know what happens to theories. :-( Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 31 December 2010 16:27:02 Dale wrote: I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was just that good. lol you are obviously not subscribed to the reiserfs ml. There are the occasional fixes and lately even some (minor) updates. Being in maintenance mode is a GOOD THING for a file system. I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or whatever his first name is, isn't doing much work on it although he has a lot of time on his hands to do it if he could. I like the file system myself and was hoping version 4 would get a foot hold. I'm not sure if it will or not. Maybe one day. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
On Dec 31, 2010 8:18 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or whatever his first name is, isn't doing much work on it although he has a lot of time on his hands to do it if he could. I like the file system myself and was hoping version 4 would get a foot hold. I'm not sure if it will or not. Maybe one day. Dale :-) :-) Off topic: reiser4 with gzip compression is nice for the portage tree :). Mines about 150mb (actually funtoo portage tree, which is actually a fairly large git tree).
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm planning to build a rig like mine for my brother before to long. I know there are lots of opinions on the net but want some personal experience information on this. My brother does not have a UPS. I may can talk him into getting one but not sure. What is a good file system that recovers well from a improper shutdown? I use ext2, ext3 and reiserfs here but never had a power problem, except when hal broke my stuff. I know XFS is not good for this already from my own personal experience. Does anyone here have any personal experience on this? Just a 'I use this and had a power failure and it powered up fine with no data loss' would be nice. If this happened a lot and still worked, that would be even better. I'm not looking to start a turf war. This will be a plain old desktop so it doesn't need a fancy file system, just one that recovers from a power failure. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) Nothing much to say that others haven't said. I'm trying ext4 for the first time starting today. I ran across this page yesterday that might be of interest. I don't see anything specific to your question but maybe you will. Cheers, Mark http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_comparison That is a interesting link. It lead me to several other places too. There seems to be quite a controversy over reiserfs4 not being in the kernel already. lol Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
On Friday 31 December 2010 19:15:49 Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Friday 31 December 2010 16:27:02 Dale wrote: I'm not sure I EVER saw a update to reiserfs. I was hoping it was just that good. lol you are obviously not subscribed to the reiserfs ml. There are the occasional fixes and lately even some (minor) updates. Being in maintenance mode is a GOOD THING for a file system. I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or whatever his first name is, isn't doing much work on it although he has a lot of time on his hands to do it if he could. I like the file system myself and was hoping version 4 would get a foot hold. I'm not sure if it will or not. Maybe one day. Dale :-) :-) Edward Shishikin is still working on it. As soon a new kernel is released a new patch is released too - plus updates for bugs found and fixed. Also reiserfs still get fixes. The mailing list is calm but alive. http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-develr=1b=201012w=2
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or whatever his first name is, isn't doing much work on it although he has a lot of time on his hands to do it if he could. I like the file system myself and was hoping version 4 would get a foot hold. I'm not sure if it will or not. Maybe one day. Dale :-) :-) Off topic: He obviously has no time. You did not read much about [1]Hans and reiserfs, did you? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser -- Yang Nguyen Web log: http://cmpitg.wordpress.com/ Life is a hack
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
Duong Yang Ha Nguyen wrote: On Fri, 31 Dec 2010, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: I'm not subscribed to one and didn't know it had one. I just get conflicting comments. Some say it is active, some say it is not. I'm sure Hans, or whatever his first name is, isn't doing much work on it although he has a lot of time on his hands to do it if he could. I like the file system myself and was hoping version 4 would get a foot hold. I'm not sure if it will or not. Maybe one day. Dale :-) :-) Off topic: He obviously has no time. You did not read much about [1]Hans and reiserfs, did you? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser Since he is in jail, he has time, he just can't do anything since they most likely won't let him have a puter. I already knew about his wife and his conviction for her death. I even saw it on the news a couple times. So, yes I did read about it. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg 1.9.2 and nodead keys ?
Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de [11-01-01 02:15]: Hartmut Figge: meino.cra...@gmx.de: Unfortunately I could not find any option to get back the nodead-keys. That one i will need also. The main problem was that after upgrading there was a pointer to http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.9-upgrade-guide.xml which was quite useless, but no pointer to the real information on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml I had to create /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d, to copy the file 10-evdev.conf from /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d and then to modify that 10-evdev.conf. At the moment i am unable to copy paste from the mc. I have still to figure out how the mouse under X11 can recognize gpm, but i can manually type the needed lines. Driver evdev Option XkbLayout de Option XKbVariant nodeadkeys -- Hartmut Hi Hartmut, Thank you for your input -- it works for me so far. Nevertheless I am alittle confused... 1.) gpm and copy'n'paste on the console and under X11 works for me. 2.) my 10-evdev.conf is located under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf 3.) The option I am using for the german keyboard layout is 'Option xkb_layout de' and it works. May it possible, that you have to recompile xf86-input-evdev, xf86-input-keyboard and xf86-input-mouse? Best regards and a Happy New Year!!! mcc
[gentoo-user] Re: xorg 1.9.2 and nodead keys ?
meino.cra...@gmx.de: 1.) gpm and copy'n'paste on the console and under X11 works for me. I need to emulate the middlemouse button by simultaneous pressing the left and right mouse buttons. That stopped working under X11 and i had to figure out a solution. 2.) my 10-evdev.conf is located under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf That's a possibilty, but configuration files should generally be located under /etc, so /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf is a better way. 3.) The option I am using for the german keyboard layout is 'Option xkb_layout de' and it works. Fine. :) I had looked for my modifications into http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml. This link should really have been mentioned for people like me, thrown to xorg-server 1.9,2 from 1.7.7-r1. May it possible, that you have to recompile xf86-input-evdev, xf86-input-keyboard and xf86-input-mouse? Every time x11 changes i use 'emerge --oneshot $(qlist -IC x11-drivers)'. Best regards and a Happy New Year!!! Same for you. :) -- Hartmut
Re: [gentoo-user] Good file system that recovers from a power failure.
. Total corruptions in 5 years with reiserfs-3.6 and NO ups in that environment = zero. Same - havent moved from reiser3 for ages. Originally I used ext2 then reiser3 then started trying out ext3, but after a failure to come up clean with ext3 i just went back to reiser3 and stayed. My experience is with a few home and low importance work systems, so less than twenty system years of data, and therefore my evidence is weak due to small sample size.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Calendar applications
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 11:06:51AM -0800, walt wrote: On 12/31/2010 08:35 AM, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 03:55:29AM +, Stroller wrote: On 30/12/2010, at 11:22pm, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote: ... I'm looking for a lightweight calendar application that can do the following things: Event handling (preferrably also a support for recurring events) Notification of events Handle several calendars at once (as in showing all calendars in one view and preferrably colour coded) Import of other calendars (iCal) I've been looking for an application that matches this but I can't seem to find any. Hi there, I'm not being argumentative here, just curious: in what way doesn't Sunbird meet these requirements? I'm more interested in calendaring servers (and unfortunately the choice of those is pretty dire) and using Apple iCal on MacOS as a front-end, but those sound like really basic requirements, and I'm surprised that any calendar doesn't meet them. iCal certainly meets them all (even with basic local storage), although I appreciate that's not much help to you. Primarily because I tend to steer away from Mozilla products if I can (they just don't seem to feel right, somehow. (I know, great argument)). I absolutely wouldn't mind setting up a server and using some frontend, the question is just which front end. And when I set out to find calendar I really thought they were very basic requirements. My google-fu told me I was wrong. But yeah, Sunbird meets the requirements, I'd just prefer to go down another road (if there is one). Have you tried Evolution? It's intended to be an open-source replacement for M$ Outlook. It's a lot more than just a calendar client, though, so it's not lightweight.. I was considering it, but the problem with evolution is that it does far more than I need it to. If I could strip away everything but the calendar I'd definately go for it. -- Best Regards Zeerak Waseem
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg 1.9.2 and nodead keys ?
Hartmut Figge h.fi...@gmx.de [11-01-01 06:04]: meino.cra...@gmx.de: 1.) gpm and copy'n'paste on the console and under X11 works for me. I need to emulate the middlemouse button by simultaneous pressing the left and right mouse buttons. That stopped working under X11 and i had to figure out a solution. 2.) my 10-evdev.conf is located under /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf That's a possibilty, but configuration files should generally be located under /etc, so /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-evdev.conf is a better way. 3.) The option I am using for the german keyboard layout is 'Option xkb_layout de' and it works. Fine. :) I had looked for my modifications into http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.8-upgrade-guide.xml. This link should really have been mentioned for people like me, thrown to xorg-server 1.9,2 from 1.7.7-r1. May it possible, that you have to recompile xf86-input-evdev, xf86-input-keyboard and xf86-input-mouse? Every time x11 changes i use 'emerge --oneshot $(qlist -IC x11-drivers)'. Best regards and a Happy New Year!!! Same for you. :) -- Hartmut Hi Hartmut, it seems you - as myself - not such a great fan of fireworks an endless parties at Sylvester ??? ...1.Januar and hacking the computer at this time...six o'clock in the morning ;) ;) ;) I have copied my /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d to /etc/X11 and have restored the original file than in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/. You are right: it is better to leave it untouched. When updateing the chance is given, that it will be overwritten... Is Option-wise the 1.8 upgrade guide complete or is it a list of commonly used settings... ? Keep hacking! :) mcc
[gentoo-user] Re: xorg 1.9.2 and nodead keys ?
meino.cra...@gmx.de: it seems you - as myself - not such a great fan of fireworks an endless parties at Sylvester ??? That's of no interest for me. ;) Is Option-wise the 1.8 upgrade guide complete or is it a list of commonly used settings... ? Ask others. *g* -- Hartmut
