Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?
Am 24.06.2011 02:10, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 00:31:38 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: Because the behaviour changed to something that is the exact opposite without any warning. Portage always used to tell what it will do. Now, simply by leaving the relevant options at the default, it tells me what it should do. How much more contrary to reasonable expectation can you get? It's not the exact opposite. Portage is still telling you what it needs, but all in one go, not one problem at a time. The feature is not bad, but how it is implemented is. With autounmask you get a notice that you have something to change, then look up to the portage presented list and see that the changes are already there. Then you are wondering why portage says that you have to do something that is already done and assume it is a bug. Such a reaction started this thread. Now that I know how to read it and what to expect I can work with it and see that it is not so bad after all. The change was unexpected and contrary to reasonable expectation mainly because there was no information before or after this change. It needed this thread to clear how it works and how to read ist. Greetings Sebastian signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] portage getting mixed up with USE?
Am 23.06.2011 22:05, schrieb Yohan Pereira: On Thursday 23 Jun 2011 08:59:53 Sebastian Beßler wrote: d) it is an automation, and because of that a red flag for any real gentoo user isnt portage itself a huge amount of automation? :P Yes, but a good ol' automation :-P signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
After upgrading xcb, ati driver and rebooting xorg can't read mouse and keyboard anymore. No more access to the system besides booting an unbuntu livecd. According to /var/log/Xorg.0.log, evdev cant't be loaded any more (see below). What can I do ? Is there an upgrade to evdev ? - excerpt from /var/log/Xorg.0.log- 13.246] (II) LoadModule: evdev 786 [13.246] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so 787 [13.247] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation 788 [13.247]compiled for 1.9.4, module version = 2.6.0 789 [13.247]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver 790 [13.247]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 11.0 791 [13.247] (EE) module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the server's version (12) 792 [13.247] (II) UnloadModule: evdev 793 [13.247] (II) Unloading evdev 794 [13.247] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) 795 [13.247] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' 796 [13.252] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event0) 797 [13.252] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall 798 [13.252] (II) LoadModule: evdev 799 [13.253] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so 800 [13.253] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation 801 [13.253]compiled for 1.9.4, module version = 2.6.0 802 [13.253]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver 803 [13.253]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 11.0 804 [13.253] (EE) module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the server's version (12) 805 [13.253] (II) UnloadModule: evdev 806 [13.253] (II) Unloading evdev 807 [13.253] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) 808 [13.253] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' 809 [13.254] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard (/dev/input/event2) 810 [13.254] (**) Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall 811 [13.254] (II) LoadModule: evdev 812 [13.254] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so 813 [13.254] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation 814 [13.254]compiled for 1.9.4, module version = 2.6.0 815 [13.254]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver 816 [13.254]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 11.0 817 [13.254] (EE) module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the server's version (12) 818 [13.254] (II) UnloadModule: evdev 819 [13.254] (II) Unloading evdev 820 [13.254] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) 821 [13.254] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' 822 [13.255] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard (/dev/input/event3) 823 [13.255] (**) Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall 824 [13.255] (II) LoadModule: evdev
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On 2011-06-23 21:43, Alan McKinnon wrote: Of course there's a place for Cobol, a classic one is in the bank my gf does data warehousing at. There's not a single soul in the entire bank that is willing to sign off on a project to replace the Cobol that has run justfinethanksverymuch for 25+ years To Neil: What Alan said... :-D Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
Am 24.06.2011 10:47, schrieb alain.didierj...@free.fr: After upgrading xcb, ati driver and rebooting xorg can't read mouse and keyboard anymore. No more access to the system besides booting an unbuntu livecd. According to /var/log/Xorg.0.log, evdev cant't be loaded any more (see below). What can I do ? Is there an upgrade to evdev ? 804 [13.253] (EE) module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the server's version (12) A emerge -1 x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev should do the trick. Greetings Sebastian Beßler signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:47 PM, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: After upgrading xcb, ati driver and rebooting xorg can't read mouse and keyboard anymore. No more access to the system besides booting an unbuntu livecd. According to /var/log/Xorg.0.log, evdev cant't be loaded any more (see below). What can I do ? Is there an upgrade to evdev ? No you just need to rebuild it, so emerge xf86-input-evdev
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
On 06/24/11 04:47, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: After upgrading xcb, ati driver and rebooting xorg can't read mouse and keyboard anymore. No more access to the system besides booting an unbuntu livecd. According to /var/log/Xorg.0.log, evdev cant't be loaded any more (see below). What can I do ? Is there an upgrade to evdev ? - excerpt from /var/log/Xorg.0.log- 13.246] (II) LoadModule: evdev 786 [13.246] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so 787 [13.247] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation 788 [13.247]compiled for 1.9.4, module version = 2.6.0 789 [13.247]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver 790 [13.247]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 11.0 791 [13.247] (EE) module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the server's version (12) 792 [13.247] (II) UnloadModule: evdev 793 [13.247] (II) Unloading evdev 794 [13.247] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) 795 [13.247] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' 796 [13.252] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event0) 797 [13.252] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall 798 [13.252] (II) LoadModule: evdev 799 [13.253] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so 800 [13.253] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation 801 [13.253]compiled for 1.9.4, module version = 2.6.0 802 [13.253]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver 803 [13.253]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 11.0 804 [13.253] (EE) module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the server's version (12) 805 [13.253] (II) UnloadModule: evdev 806 [13.253] (II) Unloading evdev 807 [13.253] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) 808 [13.253] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' 809 [13.254] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard (/dev/input/event2) 810 [13.254] (**) Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall 811 [13.254] (II) LoadModule: evdev 812 [13.254] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so 813 [13.254] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation 814 [13.254]compiled for 1.9.4, module version = 2.6.0 815 [13.254]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver 816 [13.254]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 11.0 817 [13.254] (EE) module ABI major version (11) doesn't match the server's version (12) 818 [13.254] (II) UnloadModule: evdev 819 [13.254] (II) Unloading evdev 820 [13.254] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) 821 [13.254] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' 822 [13.255] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard (/dev/input/event3) 823 [13.255] (**) Logitech Logitech Illuminated Keyboard: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall 824 [13.255] (II) LoadModule: evdev Did you try remerging evdev? I believe there's another package you need to reemerge also, I can't remember off the top of my head. If some one else doesn't chime in by the time I wake up then I'll look it up.
[gentoo-user] open source monitoring on gentoo
Greets, I am looking for a nagios-type monitoring system which I can run on gentoo. The requirement is that the customer should be able to add/edit hosts and services via web-GUI ... there is no cli-motivation available there ;-) Second wish would be that the GUI should be available in german language as well (customer in austria). I have nagios running there already so I would like to migrate the existing stuff into the new system. Do you gentoo-users have a recommendation for me? I dug through various lists of monitoring systems but somehow got lost ... Thanks, Stefan
[gentoo-user] N wireless speeds
On my Intel 5100 (iwlagn) laptop; wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn ESSID:virus.exe Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: xx:yy:zz:B3:2B:E9 Bit Rate=65 Mb/s Tx-Power=15 dBm Link Quality=70/70 Signal level=-32 dBm The TPLink WN951N (atheros AR5008, ath9k) AP has; Wiphy phy0 Band 1: HT capabilities: 0x104e * 20/40 MHz operation * SM PS disabled * 40 MHz short GI * max A-MSDU len 3839 * DSSS/CCK 40 MHz HT A-MPDU factor: 0x0003 (65535 bytes) HT A-MPDU density: 0x0006 (8 usec) So i've configured hostapd.conf; hw_mode=g wme_enabled=1 ieee80211n=1 ht_capab=[SHORT-GI-40][DSSS_CCK-40] Does my configuration look optimal? Is the 65Mb/s all i should expect to get? I'm already on the least used channel (5 other APs in range).
Re: [gentoo-user] about the minimal install isos
Am 24.06.2011 03:02, schrieb Harry Putnam: I just happened to run into a situation where rsync would have been really handy to have on board while booting a minimal install iso. I was surprised to find rsync was not amongst the onboard tools. Isn't rsync a pretty basic tool to be missing from a bootable install disc? I realize I can make my own, or even just emerge rsync for the duration but still it seems that rsync should be there? Just a suggestion of course but what do others think about it? I have missed it as well a few times ... so I also would vote for having it onboard per default. S
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 10:52:48 +0200, pk wrote: To Neil: What Alan said... :-D To both of you, let me introduce you to the concept of sarcasm... -- Neil Bothwick There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary notation and those who don't. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:05:13 -0400, Matthew Finkel wrote: Did you try remerging evdev? I believe there's another package you need to reemerge also, I can't remember off the top of my head. If some one else doesn't chime in by the time I wake up then I'll look it up. If you use portage 2.2, emerge @x11-module-rebuild -- Neil Bothwick Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Fbsplash
Oh well, will revert back to stable kernel to get my wonderful gensplash. No doubt 3.0 will bring plenty of gremlins. May have a play with initramfs. It sounds impressive anyway --Original Message-- From: Dale To: Gentoo ReplyTo: Gentoo Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fbsplash Sent: 24 Jun 2011 00:02 Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Alan McKinnonalan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I wonder what 3.0 will be like Newer... ;-) Newer problems right? :-P Dale :-) :-) JDM
[gentoo-user] Claws-mail
After upgrading some x11 libraries yesterday my claws-mail broke with segmentation fault. Upgrading to latest testing version fixed the issue. Believe libxcb is the culprit here. Should this be reported as a bug or will the devs be aware? JDM
Re: [gentoo-user] Claws-mail
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:53:03 +, JDM wrote: After upgrading some x11 libraries yesterday my claws-mail broke with segmentation fault. Upgrading to latest testing version fixed the issue. Believe libxcb is the culprit here. Should this be reported as a bug or will the devs be aware? It's the startup-notification stuff that broke it, the devs are aware and there is a bug on it. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362297 -- Neil Bothwick I am in total control, but don't tell my wife. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
Nikos Chantziaras wrote: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 17:23:44 Mark Knecht wrote: When I removed the fortran flag it didn't change anything because (I suppose) the KDE profile has included it as a default. So it seems. I've just tried USE=-fortran emerge -upDvN world and the only thing that would be remerged because of fortran is gcc. So I'm going to put -fortran into make.conf and see what breaks. It will break several things. This is what I just went through. It appears that if you emerge kde-meta, you have to have a fortran type compiler. So, you may as well keep what you got if it is working. When I started going down this road, I thought I could just disable fortran and have less packages installed. That is not the case. I removed fortran then had to replace that with even more packages than I had to begin with. If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. Watch the elog messages. It will tell you at some point to either enable fortran or emerge some other package that I forget the name of. That one package pulled several dependencies on my rig. YMMV. Well, as I said in another post, I do have -fortan in my make.conf and there are no problems. I do not have programs installed that need a fortran compiler. And I do not have kde-meta installed; that's a waste of resources. I only install what I actually need. I seem to recall you having -fortran all the time tho. It's the change that breaks things. I mentioned it in case he is using kde-meta since it should pull in the same packages as on mine. If that is so, he will end up with broken stuff and will need to fix them. This is one of those situations where it depends on what you have installed and if you are changing something. This doesn't apply to everyone just those have not had -fortran set before and installed kde-meta. This may not apply to you but it may apply to others. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Claws-mail
Thanks Neil. The startup notification problem makes sense as when I tried awesome that also broke claws-mail. JDM -Original Message- From: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:11:44 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Claws-mail On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 09:53:03 +, JDM wrote: After upgrading some x11 libraries yesterday my claws-mail broke with segmentation fault. Upgrading to latest testing version fixed the issue. Believe libxcb is the culprit here. Should this be reported as a bug or will the devs be aware? It's the startup-notification stuff that broke it, the devs are aware and there is a bug on it. http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=362297 -- Neil Bothwick I am in total control, but don't tell my wife.
Re: [gentoo-user] about the minimal install isos
On 24 June 2011, at 02:02, Harry Putnam wrote: I just happened to run into a situation where rsync would have been really handy to have on board while booting a minimal install iso. I was surprised to find rsync was not amongst the onboard tools. Isn't rsync a pretty basic tool to be missing from a bootable install disc? The goal of the minimal install CDs is to make them small. I don't know how large they are now, but there used to be debate (regularly, IIRC, on gentoo-dev) about including vi or vim. I think at that time the minimal CD was down to about 22meg, and there was no way vim would be included due to its excessive size (I think with deps it maybe ran to as much as 40meg). I haven't used Gentoo's install CDs in years. I think there may have even been a period during which they weren't produced or supported. If I'm installing a Gentoo system I now always use SystemRescueCD. I would imagine that would have rsync on it. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
Hi, Adam. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:59:42PM +1000, Adam Carter wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:47 PM, alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: After upgrading xcb, ati driver and rebooting xorg can't read mouse and keyboard anymore. No more access to the system besides booting an unbuntu livecd. According to /var/log/Xorg.0.log, evdev cant't be loaded any more (see below). What can I do ? Is there an upgrade to evdev ? No you just need to rebuild it, so emerge xf86-input-evdev This problem hit me too. Can you give us an explanation for needing to rebuild evdev? Was there some missing dependency in an ebuild, or something? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On 24 June 2011, at 01:14, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:01:30 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: 1) what's the difference between package.keywords and package.accept_keywords? The latter is the new name for the former. So I can just `mv /etc/portage/package.keywords /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords` and nothing will break? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On 23 June 2011, at 22:57, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... I just keep entries in alphabetical order in single files. I find it easier. That doesn't help with linked packages with different names. If foo requires libbar with USE=snafu, I put it in/etc/portage/package.use/foo Then if I remove foo, I remove the use file. If they were alphabetically sorted, and therefore separate, in one file, I wouldn't make the connection. Mine isn't sorted, but it's only 20 items or so and it's grouped into categories of related programs. A few months ago I cleared out entries for a few programs that I no longer use - I would guess I will notice to do so again in another year or so. Any packages which are listed because they're dependencies of something else, I add that as a # comment at the beginning of the line. I like the idea of package.use as a directory of indie files, but haven't bothered switching over because this works so well for me. The package.use directory system seems too simple to be true - is it really no more complex than a directory of any-named files of the same format? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hi, Adam. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 06:59:42PM +1000, Adam Carter wrote: On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:47 PM,alain.didierj...@free.fr wrote: After upgrading xcb, ati driver and rebooting xorg can't read mouse and keyboard anymore. No more access to the system besides booting an unbuntu livecd. According to /var/log/Xorg.0.log, evdev cant't be loaded any more (see below). What can I do ? Is there an upgrade to evdev ? No you just need to rebuild it, so emerge xf86-input-evdev This problem hit me too. Can you give us an explanation for needing to rebuild evdev? Was there some missing dependency in an ebuild, or something? It is sort of like when you update a kernel and have to rebuild the video drivers. One is built against the other and when you upgrade, you have to update the things it was built against. There are other examples of this but this is just the first one I thought of. Anyone recall expat? That I think is another. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
No you just need to rebuild it, so emerge xf86-input-evdev This problem hit me too. Can you give us an explanation for needing to rebuild evdev? Was there some missing dependency in an ebuild, or something? If you update xorg (which OP didnt list, but a new version just went stable) you need to rebuild its drivers (unless they were automatically rebuilt due to version bump).
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
* Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org [110623 18:34]: On 6/23/2011 6:22 PM, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 22 June 2011 16:50:10 Dale wrote: If you use KDE like me, be prepared to put the thing back tho. Some KDE packages depend on things that seem to need it enabled. Looks like it's only packages that are pulled in by kdeedu-meta. Do you need all those? It's one package (cantor) that has one dependency (R) that is optional (USE=-R) that falls squarely into the if you aren't sure if you need it then you probably don't category. So for most users, no, you don't need to build gcc with fortran. Dale's just playing it safe, I guess, after the admittedly scary I'm all broken and stuff! warning message cantor throws at you. --Mike What seems strange then is that if everyone keeps telling Dale that he most likely doesn't need cantor and R then why is R enabled in the profile by default? Seems it should be -R by default? Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On 6/23/2011 8:31 PM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:54:14 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote: It's one package (cantor) that has one dependency (R) that is optional (USE=-R) that falls squarely into the if you aren't sure if you need it then you probably don't category. So for most users, no, you don't need to build gcc with fortran. That's not the only one. Digikam has a hard depend on clapack, which requires virtual/blas and thus a Fortran compiler. Hrm. I installed kde-meta and it didn't pull in Digikam. But I don't remember turning it off (though I would have). I have a completely unreasonable and unjustifiable dislike for FORTRAN so I go out of my way to keep it off my system :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 2011-06-24 at 13:02 +0100, Stroller wrote: On 23 June 2011, at 22:57, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... I just keep entries in alphabetical order in single files. I find it easier. That doesn't help with linked packages with different names. If foo requires libbar with USE=snafu, I put it in/etc/portage/package.use/foo Then if I remove foo, I remove the use file. If they were alphabetically sorted, and therefore separate, in one file, I wouldn't make the connection. Mine isn't sorted, but it's only 20 items or so and it's grouped into categories of related programs. A few months ago I cleared out entries for a few programs that I no longer use - I would guess I will notice to do so again in another year or so. Any packages which are listed because they're dependencies of something else, I add that as a # comment at the beginning of the line. I like the idea of package.use as a directory of indie files, but haven't bothered switching over because this works so well for me. The package.use directory system seems too simple to be true - is it really no more complex than a directory of any-named files of the same format? Stroller. Yes, its just directories ... but I switched one system over to it and ran for a year or so in parallel with systems that are original - I am going to switch back as its teeing me off big time. Sounded a good idea - sucks in practise, making management more time consuming and harder than it needed to be for absolutely no gain. Think of it this way, do you want to manage one keyword file or dozens. The heirarchal idea sounds good, but its just more work, more letters to type, more files to search for packages, etc. On a small, heavily managed server it might work, but ... BillK -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth!
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
- Mail Original - De: Adam Carter adamcart...@gmail.com À: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Envoyé: Vendredi 24 Juin 2011 14h07:02 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse No you just need to rebuild it, so emerge xf86-input-evdev This problem hit me too. Can you give us an explanation for needing to rebuild evdev? Was there some missing dependency in an ebuild, or something? If you update xorg (which OP didnt list, but a new version just went stable) you need to rebuild its drivers (unless they were automatically rebuilt due to version bump). I think portage should take care of that... but obviously it doesn't I solved the problem by rebuilding xf86-input-evdev after booting on an unbuntu livecd then chrooting... Took some time. As for using portage 2.2, it's listed as ~*2.2.0_alpha41, too early for me. Thanks all for the help -- Alain DIDIERJEAN Puisque ces mystères nous dépassent Feignons d'en être l'organisateur
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Friday 24 June 2011 12:56:48 Stroller did opine thusly: On 24 June 2011, at 01:14, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 20:01:30 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: 1) what's the difference between package.keywords and package.accept_keywords? The latter is the new name for the former. So I can just `mv /etc/portage/package.keywords /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords` and nothing will break? Stroller. Yes. man 5 portage -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On 6/24/2011 8:03 AM, Todd Goodman wrote: * Mike Edenfieldkut...@kutulu.org [110623 18:34]: It's one package (cantor) that has one dependency (R) that is optional (USE=-R) that falls squarely into the if you aren't sure if you need it then you probably don't category. So for most users, no, you don't need What seems strange then is that if everyone keeps telling Dale that he most likely doesn't need cantor and R then why is R enabled in the profile by default? It's not enabled in the profile, it's enabled in the ebuild: IUSE=debug ps +R and likely for the same reason there's a scary warning. If you're installing cantor, because you plan to use it (and not because kde-meta is a bloat monster), you need one of the two backends to make it work. R is the preferred option there, so the cantor maintainers assume if you want cantor, you probably want R, and the cascade begins. --Mike
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
I think portage should take care of that... but obviously it doesn't I solved the problem by rebuilding xf86-input-evdev after booting on an unbuntu livecd then chrooting... Took some time. As for using portage 2.2, it's listed as ~*2.2.0_alpha41, too early for me. Make an entry in your grub.conf with gentoo=nox, so you can boot to command line. here's what mine looks like title Gentoo Linux 2.6.39-r1a root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.39-r1a root=/dev/sda3 usbcore.autosuspend=1 title Gentoo Linux 2.6.39-r1a Console root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.39-r1a root=/dev/sda3 usbcore.autosuspend=1 gentoo=nox
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On 2011-06-24 11:31, Neil Bothwick wrote: To both of you, let me introduce you to the concept of sarcasm... Oh well... I'm not entirely unfamiliar with that concept, although I admit that it escaped me this time. Perhaps, it has something to do with how it was presented? ;-) Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 23 June 2011 22:47:54 Peter Humphrey did opine thusly: On Thursday 23 June 2011 20:54:03 Alan McKinnon wrote: I was seriously considering importing a single seater heli kit, they are classed as ultralights and do not need a pilot's license. But there's an obscure clause in the rules that states ultralights cannot be flown within 50m of a dwelling. So now I have to be content with only going to work on the V-twin bike No, all you need is a pad 50m tall. :) Brilliant! I hadn't thought of that! Must be getting old :-) Or I could just two birds one stone: http://www.hover-bike.com/ I saw that before and got really excited until it dawned on me there's no way that thing can be controlled the way it's built. :) No doubt why the only videos he seems to have of it hovering it's tethered. Otherwise it'd surely kill somebody. He also claims it will achieve altitudes up to 10k feet, which obviously would require generating a cushion of air 10k feet tall. Because being a hovercraft it's got fans, not rotors. Or have I missed something? -- caveat utilitor
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
On Friday 24 Jun 2011 10:34:50 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 05:05:13 -0400, Matthew Finkel wrote: Did you try remerging evdev? I believe there's another package you need to reemerge also, I can't remember off the top of my head. If some one else doesn't chime in by the time I wake up then I'll look it up. If you use portage 2.2, emerge @x11-module-rebuild or in the words of the elog itself which the OP evidently missed: Messages generated by process 15731 on 2011-06-23 19:30:53 BST for package x11-base/xorg-server-1.10.2: LOG: postinst You should consider reading upgrade guide for this release: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.10-upgrade- guide.xml WARN: postinst You must rebuild all drivers if upgrading from xorg-server-1.10 because the ABI changed. If you cannot start X because of module version mismatch errors, this is your problem. You can generate a list of all installed packages in the x11-drivers category using this command: emerge portage-utils; qlist -I -C x11-drivers/ or using sets from portage-2.2: emerge @x11-module-rebuild HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] /etc/machine-id ???
On Friday 24 June 2011 00:30:43 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Joost Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org [11-06-23 17:52]: On Thursday 23 June 2011 04:49:57 meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, I found a file /etc/machine-id on my linux box. I did a qfile for this and nothing was found. What purpose is that file and can I delete it without problems? Best regards, mcc I don't have that file on any of my machines, however, a quick google reveals this may be related to dbus: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2011-March/014188.html Maybe someone else can shed some more light on this? -- Joost I dont like the idea of haveing something on my box, which make it identificable or unique ... thinking of the diskussion of the use and misuse of a CPU-ID. Reading /dev/urandom instead is more what it should be in my opinion, since that changes from boot to boot... Paranoia is your best friend ;-/ mcc rm /etc/machine-id right after the root-partition is remounted RW should solve that? :)
Re: [gentoo-user] open source monitoring on gentoo
On Friday 24 Jun 2011 10:15:54 Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Greets, I am looking for a nagios-type monitoring system which I can run on gentoo. The requirement is that the customer should be able to add/edit hosts and services via web-GUI ... there is no cli-motivation available there ;-) Second wish would be that the GUI should be available in german language as well (customer in austria). I have nagios running there already so I would like to migrate the existing stuff into the new system. Do you gentoo-users have a recommendation for me? I dug through various lists of monitoring systems but somehow got lost ... Thanks, Stefan Nagios will install and run fine on Gentoo. So should JFFNMS: http://www.jffnms.org/ So should ZENOSS - although I am not sure which overlay it may be in: http://community.zenoss.org/index.jspa However, I have only used Nagios, so cannot compare with other monitoring applications. With regards to using a GUI to manage Nagios there's a few of those available and more are coming out by the day it seems: http://www.ducea.com/2008/01/16/10-nagios-web-frontends/ Out of these I've only used Nagmin and quickly went back to vim ... ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-settings over ssh sees my local GPU?
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 11:31:29AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 10:39 AM, YoYo Siska y...@gl.ksp.sk wrote: On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 05:21:07PM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 23 Jun 2011 08:54:01 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: My question is about running nvidia-settings. I'm finding that if I shell into his machine using ssh -X -Y -C IP-address and run nvidia-settings I get it displayed here, as it should be. The problem is it is seeing my GTX 465 and not his 8400GS. Looking at the man page, it appears you need to use the -ctrl-display parameter or the $DISPLAY env var. The man page mentions that nvidia-settings queries the X server, which is running locally. It looks like this setting may force it to use another. as neil wrote, it is nvidia-settings -c :0 nvidia-settings connects to the remote xserver to communicate with the graphics card (through a special nvidia xtenstion to the x protocol), so you need to be able to access the remote xserver, if you are logged in as the user running the xserver, you should be ok yoy Yeah, I've been tripping over doing this right since Neil pointed me toward the -c command. I think the problem is that I don't have the permissions set correctly to allow this to work right. The owner of the remote machine is logged in and possibly using X. I'm not sure about that but I'm not 'running the X server' in any meaningful way. I'm just remotely trying to access his GPU with nvidia-settings but display the GUI here. The problem seems to be getting the right number of his server or else permissions. This page is one of the better ones I've found about running nvidia-settings remotely, specifically section 6 which gives this example: http://www.makelinux.com/man/1/A/alt-nvidia-173-settings (issued from bartok.nvidia.com) xhost +stravinsky.nvidia.com (issued from schoenberg.nvidia.com) xhost +stravinsky.nvidia.com nvidia-settings --display=bartok.nvidia.com:0 --ctrl-display=schoenberg.nvidia.com:0 which allows all X clients run on stravinsky.nvidia.com to connect and display on bartok.nvidia.com's X server and configure schoenberg.nvidia.com's X server. this seems pretty old... defaults on most distros these days are that X server does not listen on tcp/ip (ip-address:0) only on a local unix sockets (:0), see below for more It seems this program allows you to run it from machine1, display it on machine2 which controlling machine3? So, locally I ran mark@c2stable ~ $ xhost access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect mark@c2stable ~ $ xhost +DWP-Linux DWP-Linux being added to access control list mark@c2stable ~ $ xhost access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect INET:DWP-Linux mark@c2stable ~ $ which I think allows the remote machine access here in my server. I then log in which creates the .Xauthority file: mark@c2stable ~ $ ssh -XYC DWP-Linux Password: Last login: Thu Jun 23 14:11:33 EDT 2011 from c-67-161-57-1.hsd1.ca.comcast.net on pts/3 /usr/bin/xauth: file /home/mark/.Xauthority does not exist mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ ls -al .Xauthority -rw--- 1 mark mark 55 Jun 23 14:21 .Xauthority mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ cat .Xauthority DWP-Linux11MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1��:��T'6�@R��mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ On that machine I see this $DISPLAY: mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ echo $DISPLAY localhost:11.0 mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ so I run mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ nvidia-settings -c :11 which sees my GPU, not his, presumably because I said to control my system with -c :11. However if I try something like mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ nvidia-settings -c :0 I get a bunch of stuff ending with ERROR: Unable to assign attribute XVideoSyncToDisplay specified on line 62 of configuration file '/home/mark/.nvidia-settings-rc' (no Display connection). No protocol specified ERROR: Cannot open display ':0'. mark@DWP-Linux ~ $ I'm a bit lost at this point. (OBVIOUSLY!) :-) To connect to an Xserver, you need to know its address, which is something like machine_or_ip:NUMNER for tcp/ip connection or just :NUMBER for (local) unix socket connection. When you do a ssh -X , ssh creates a tunnel from the remote computer to your local Xserver (:0 at your side), and creates a new address, usually localhost:10 (or 11, 12, which on is free) if i'm behing a laptop named 'tabletka' and there is also a desktop named 'yoyo' (its the same as my username... on both), you could do: yoyo@tabletka ~ $ DISPLAY=:0 xterm which runs xterm here (tabletka), displays it here yoyo@tabletka ~ $ DISPLAY=yoyo:0 xterm runs xterm here, displays it on yoyo however as i said, most distributions don't allow Xservers to listen on tcp/ip and only allow it to listen on local sockets... you can however use ssh to tunnel X traffic, so you could do: yoyo@tabletka ~ $ echo $DISPLAY :0.0 yoyo@tabletka ~ $ ssh -X yoyo yoyo@yoyo:~$ echo
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
* Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org [110624 08:25]: On 6/24/2011 8:03 AM, Todd Goodman wrote: * Mike Edenfieldkut...@kutulu.org [110623 18:34]: It's one package (cantor) that has one dependency (R) that is optional (USE=-R) that falls squarely into the if you aren't sure if you need it then you probably don't category. So for most users, no, you don't need What seems strange then is that if everyone keeps telling Dale that he most likely doesn't need cantor and R then why is R enabled in the profile by default? It's not enabled in the profile, it's enabled in the ebuild: IUSE=debug ps +R and likely for the same reason there's a scary warning. If you're installing cantor, because you plan to use it (and not because kde-meta is a bloat monster), you need one of the two backends to make it work. R is the preferred option there, so the cantor maintainers assume if you want cantor, you probably want R, and the cascade begins. --Mike Ah, OK. So it really comes down to kde-meta is a bloat monster. Thanks, Todd
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT/rant] Self-replicating programmer stupidity
On 06/23/2011 07:52 PM, Matthew Finkel wrote: Programming secure software is not the easiest task to master. It takes a lot of planning and enough knowledge about the components you're using to know exactly how they all work together, as well as how they are not supposed to be used. In many cases, vulnerabilities originate from lack of knowledge in novice programmers. Other's are just something that was overlooked in the planning stage, which becomes much more possible as the size of the program increases. And, of course, sometimes people make a mistake. It's getting easier to write syntactically secure code but you can't write semantically secure code unless you understand several domains simultaneously. There's been enough foul-ups to make the current generation of tools enforce syntactic security. But just because I *have to* use component XYZ in a function call, doesn't mean I have to make that call with *any* semblance of intelligence about the current state and environment. In other words, as Matthew wrote above, it ain't always that easy. You can bolt the doors and windows, but if your walls are merely sheetrock, a well placed foot will get you in.
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
Hi, Adam. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:07:02PM +1000, Adam Carter wrote: No you just need to rebuild it, so emerge xf86-input-evdev This problem hit me too. Can you give us an explanation for needing to rebuild evdev? Was there some missing dependency in an ebuild, or something? If you update xorg (which OP didnt list, but a new version just went stable) you need to rebuild its drivers (unless they were automatically rebuilt due to version bump). Hmm. Recompiling the same source code produces a different binary? Presumably, it uses C macros in a .h file which is part of xorg. Or something like that. So evdev depends on xorg. Isn't there a way of expressing this in evdev's ebuild? Something like the DEPEND variable? -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] nvidia-settings over ssh sees my local GPU?
On 06/23/2011 09:21 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: Looking at the man page, it appears you need to use the -ctrl-display parameter or the $DISPLAY env var. The man page mentions that nvidia-settings queries the X server, which is running locally. It looks like this setting may force it to use another. You may also want to throw in -no-xshm for giggles. Probably won't work, but it would be worth a try
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
On Friday 24 June 2011 14:42:24 Alan Mackenzie did opine thusly: Hi, Adam. On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:07:02PM +1000, Adam Carter wrote: No you just need to rebuild it, so emerge xf86-input-evdev This problem hit me too. Can you give us an explanation for needing to rebuild evdev? Was there some missing dependency in an ebuild, or something? If you update xorg (which OP didnt list, but a new version just went stable) you need to rebuild its drivers (unless they were automatically rebuilt due to version bump). Hmm. Recompiling the same source code produces a different binary? Not quite: Rebuilding the same sources against different headers produces a different binary. Presumably, it uses C macros in a .h file which is part of xorg. Or something like that. So evdev depends on xorg. Isn't there a way of expressing this in evdev's ebuild? Something like the DEPEND variable? It's already there, but doesn't help as the update trigger never happens. Actually, you have the depend the wrong way round - evdev depends on xorg-server; to have the driver and for it to be useful, the xorg- server must be present, otherwise there is nothing for the drivers to build against. You want to force a rebuild that is the opposite of the DEPEND, but portage does not support that (it's a circular dependency). It will also not rebuild the driver as part of a regular update as there is not a new version of the driver, hence according to normal portage logic there is no need to do so. Make sense? -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: about the minimal install isos
Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk writes: On 24 June 2011, at 02:02, Harry Putnam wrote: I just happened to run into a situation where rsync would have been really handy to have on board while booting a minimal install iso. I was surprised to find rsync was not amongst the onboard tools. Isn't rsync a pretty basic tool to be missing from a bootable install disc? The goal of the minimal install CDs is to make them small. I don't know how large they are now, but there used to be debate (regularly, IIRC, on gentoo-dev) about including vi or vim. I think at that time the minimal CD was down to about 22meg, and there was no way vim would be included due to its excessive size (I think with deps it maybe ran to as much as 40meg). I grabbed the weekly minimal install and stage3. The install disc was 111mb. I'm not sure what the motivation is about smallness. Is the difference between 111 and say 155 really much of a factor? I see tools like tr cut yes and many others that although useful tools probably aren't that important in an install cd. Especially one that is supposed to be minimal. I haven't used Gentoo's install CDs in years. I think there may have even been a period during which they weren't produced or supported. If I'm installing a Gentoo system I now always use SystemRescueCD. I would imagine that would have rsync on it. I fully agree and `SystemRescueCD' is exactly what I ended up using still failed to get a working gentoo vm though. Why is it such a bitch to install gentoo into a guest vm?
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Todd Goodman t...@bonedaddy.net wrote: * Mike Edenfield kut...@kutulu.org [110624 08:25]: On 6/24/2011 8:03 AM, Todd Goodman wrote: * Mike Edenfieldkut...@kutulu.org [110623 18:34]: It's one package (cantor) that has one dependency (R) that is optional (USE=-R) that falls squarely into the if you aren't sure if you need it then you probably don't category. So for most users, no, you don't need What seems strange then is that if everyone keeps telling Dale that he most likely doesn't need cantor and R then why is R enabled in the profile by default? It's not enabled in the profile, it's enabled in the ebuild: IUSE=debug ps +R and likely for the same reason there's a scary warning. If you're installing cantor, because you plan to use it (and not because kde-meta is a bloat monster), you need one of the two backends to make it work. R is the preferred option there, so the cantor maintainers assume if you want cantor, you probably want R, and the cascade begins. --Mike Ah, OK. So it really comes down to kde-meta is a bloat monster. Thanks, Todd Or maybe 'kde-meta as currently constructed by someone somewhere is a bloat monster in some other people's opinions'. And, we're not required to use it. Maybe it happens somewhere but I don't know of any truly interactive user driven process that decides what gets included in any ebuild. It is driven more by our kind devs by whatever decision process they use. I'm *perfectly* fine with that. To some Gentoo users anything on the system that they don't actively use is bloat. I understand. To others, myself included, I don't mind if there's a bunch of extra stuff on my system if it makes some developer's life easier. 95% of what I do in KDE is run Firefox or a VM for trading futures and the balance is mostly use a terminal to maintain my systems. I use Skype a little, backup to a few different external hard drives. Sometimes I play solitaire. Nearly all of my media watching is done in a VM due to NetFlix not supporting anything that runs native on Linux, although I do use xine to watch the occasional DVD from NetFlix that only I want to watch. I don't share desktops, share or mount anything natively Windows. I don't use Konqueror or KDE Mail. I use almost nothing in the KDE Menus for Development, Education, Games, Graphics, Multimedia or Office. And I also don't care enough to do anything about trying to maintain a 'smaller' KDE footprint on my machine because the code builds plenty fast and I don't want to use my time that way. This is just my 'life can be simple' strategy. It works for me and has allowed me to drop about 40 pounds of bloat in the last 8 months. Blood pressure is down. I sleep better. I don't sweat the small stuff as much. Again, this is just me... - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT/rant] Self-replicating programmer stupidity
On 6/24/11, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: My question: WTF uses these poorly written ftp servers? Why do they exist? Who asked for them? Who wrote the code, and why? Maybe they're all derivatives of a single codebase with lots of bugs and a MIT/BSD/Apache-style license? -- Arttu V.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the minimal install isos
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:11 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: SNIP I fully agree and `SystemRescueCD' is exactly what I ended up using still failed to get a working gentoo vm though. Why is it such a bitch to install gentoo into a guest vm? Hi Harry, You've said this a couple of times that Gentoo in a VM isn't working for you. I think you should start a thread specifically about that. As for Gentoo installs, IMHO, they are in a bit of a mess right now. Last weekend a friend decided to give Linux a try and I helped him install Gentoo. The tarballs still, after nearly a month I think, didn't include all the required /dev stuff in the stage3 tarball which caused the machine to not boot. Maybe that's what you're seeing? I don't know because I haven't seen a real writeup on what the problem is. Anyway, be sure that Gentoo does run in a guest VM. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] about the minimal install isos
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 18:37, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: On 24 June 2011, at 02:02, Harry Putnam wrote: I just happened to run into a situation where rsync would have been really handy to have on board while booting a minimal install iso. I was surprised to find rsync was not amongst the onboard tools. Isn't rsync a pretty basic tool to be missing from a bootable install disc? The goal of the minimal install CDs is to make them small. I don't know how large they are now, but there used to be debate (regularly, IIRC, on gentoo-dev) about including vi or vim. I think at that time the minimal CD was down to about 22meg, and there was no way vim would be included due to its excessive size (I think with deps it maybe ran to as much as 40meg). I haven't used Gentoo's install CDs in years. I think there may have even been a period during which they weren't produced or supported. If I'm installing a Gentoo system I now always use SystemRescueCD. I would imagine that would have rsync on it. Stroller. While we're at it... I'll vote for `joe`. And `tmux`. Rgds, -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com Google Talk: pepoluan Y! messenger: pepoluan MSN / Live: pepol...@hotmail.com (do not send email here) Skype: pepoluan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. Watch the elog messages. It will tell you at some point to either enable fortran or emerge some other package that I forget the name of. That one package pulled several dependencies on my rig. YMMV. Well, as I said in another post, I do have -fortan in my make.conf and there are no problems. I do not have programs installed that need a fortran compiler. And I do not have kde-meta installed; that's a waste of resources. I only install what I actually need. You have no programs, that *need* fortran, but it could well be, that you have programs installed, that perform better when compiled with a fortran compiler. I think of sci-libs/fftw here as an example. It's used by programs like blender, imagemagick and maybe some others. The developers of said library use fortran, because they benchmarked it. If you disable fortran, you use the slower C fallback solution. If you disable fftw in those packages, you get a slower implementation too afaik. After all, gentoo is a source based distribution. We all already have a couple of languages installed. There's a C compiler a standard user will never use. There's a C++ compiler only used by programmers. We all have them, only to compile programs, that need them. Why not enable fortran, even if it's only optional, to get the best of the available implementations? In the end it's only one programming language more installed on your system. Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 21:18:23 +0200, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?: Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. Watch the elog messages. It will tell you at some point to either enable fortran or emerge some other package that I forget the name of. That one package pulled several dependencies on my rig. YMMV. Well, as I said in another post, I do have -fortan in my make.conf and there are no problems. I do not have programs installed that need a fortran compiler. And I do not have kde-meta installed; that's a waste of resources. I only install what I actually need. You have no programs, that *need* fortran, but it could well be, that you have programs installed, that perform better when compiled with a fortran compiler. I think of sci-libs/fftw here as an example. It's used by programs like blender, imagemagick and maybe some others. The developers of said library use fortran, because they benchmarked it. If you disable fortran, you use the slower C fallback solution. If you disable fftw in those packages, you get a slower implementation too afaik. Just to add some further prophecy to this: with GCC 4.6 the gfortran compiler became a complete implementation of Fortran 2003. This allows for Object Oriented Programming (OOP), the fashionable style of designing code these days. This means that there could well be more new software written in Fortran; without a Fortran compiler a user will be unable to install this code on a source-based distro like Gentoo. After all, gentoo is a source based distribution. We all already have a couple of languages installed. There's a C compiler a standard user will never use. There's a C++ compiler only used by programmers. We all have them, only to compile programs, that need them. Why not enable fortran, even if it's only optional, to get the best of the available implementations? In the end it's only one programming language more installed on your system. Indeed, the ability to compile as many languages as possible is almost a necessity for users of a source-based system like Gentoo. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. Watch the elog messages. It will tell you at some point to either enable fortran or emerge some other package that I forget the name of. That one package pulled several dependencies on my rig. YMMV. Well, as I said in another post, I do have -fortan in my make.conf and there are no problems. I do not have programs installed that need a fortran compiler. And I do not have kde-meta installed; that's a waste of resources. I only install what I actually need. You have no programs, that *need* fortran, but it could well be, that you have programs installed, that perform better when compiled with a fortran compiler. I think of sci-libs/fftw here as an example. It's used by programs like blender, imagemagick and maybe some others. The developers of said library use fortran, because they benchmarked it. If you disable fortran, you use the slower C fallback solution. If you disable fftw in those packages, you get a slower implementation too afaik. After all, gentoo is a source based distribution. We all already have a couple of languages installed. There's a C compiler a standard user will never use. There's a C++ compiler only used by programmers. We all have them, only to compile programs, that need them. Why not enable fortran, even if it's only optional, to get the best of the available implementations? In the end it's only one programming language more installed on your system. Regards, Michael I just wonder if that is why Cantor was set up to use fortran by default. Not because it is smaller, requires a few less package but that it is what it is designed to run off of. It may well work with something else but not as fast, not as good or something else we don't know about. Just makes me think again on this one. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [OT/rant] Self-replicating programmer stupidity
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:54 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: My question: WTF uses these poorly written ftp servers? Why do they exist? Who asked for them? Who wrote the code, and why? My tentative guess: either evil programmers, or incompetent programmers. (I suspect the intersection of the two sets is very small.) I think you get the one-man-Windows-shareware kind of projects, which are almost surely going to have holes caused by incompetence/inexperience. You have academic projects which are mostly abandoned or left in a state of disrepair (like wu-ftpd, remember that?). Then you get the huge-corporation kind of proejcts which have holes based on rushing to meet deadlines, undocumented decade-old legacy mystery code that nobody knows about, managers who don't care about security until after a bug is found, etc.
[gentoo-user] Re: open source monitoring on gentoo
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes: http://www.jffnms.org/ jffnms is fabulous. However it has recently been release as version 0.9.x so a few install bugs are out there. Portage still shows 8.3.x (way old) Craig, the main developer of jffnms is very cool and helpful. It's a smaller and tighter community than the nagios-fork scene. I ask some devs a while back to update the package, but it never got updated(real sad story here). Jffnms supports both mysql and postgresql, but with the new (9.0.x) postgresql series and the new jffnms (0.9.x) series I have just been to busy to get them happy on Gentoo. Open up a bug about version bumping jffnms and the install doc help me get jffnms in shape for Gentoo? [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/jffnms.xml And look at the bottom of this bug [2] https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=287761 If you want to work on jffnms, drop me some emails as most of the issues were resolved, I just drop the ball with too many other things going on. Beside my manners with the devs are not the best, so a fresh face motivated to test/use jffnms would go a long way to easing the relationship with the devs so that jffnms get's that version bump officially. I have an early version of jffnms -0.9.x installed but the devs refused to version bump it because it was not pretty and conformant to their standards drop me an email offline, as jffnms is very easily extended and very cool to add any device James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 15:00:32 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 08:04:43 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras: On 06/24/2011 01:16 AM, Dale wrote: If it works with fortran turned on, I'd leave it alone. With hindsight, I should have left well enough alone anyway. It wasn't hurting a thing. Watch the elog messages. It will tell you at some point to either enable fortran or emerge some other package that I forget the name of. That one package pulled several dependencies on my rig. YMMV. Well, as I said in another post, I do have -fortan in my make.conf and there are no problems. I do not have programs installed that need a fortran compiler. And I do not have kde-meta installed; that's a waste of resources. I only install what I actually need. You have no programs, that *need* fortran, but it could well be, that you have programs installed, that perform better when compiled with a fortran compiler. I think of sci-libs/fftw here as an example. It's used by programs like blender, imagemagick and maybe some others. The developers of said library use fortran, because they benchmarked it. If you disable fortran, you use the slower C fallback solution. If you disable fftw in those packages, you get a slower implementation too afaik. After all, gentoo is a source based distribution. We all already have a couple of languages installed. There's a C compiler a standard user will never use. There's a C++ compiler only used by programmers. We all have them, only to compile programs, that need them. Why not enable fortran, even if it's only optional, to get the best of the available implementations? In the end it's only one programming language more installed on your system. Regards, Michael I just wonder if that is why Cantor was set up to use fortran by default. Not because it is smaller, requires a few less package but that it is what it is designed to run off of. It may well work with something else but not as fast, not as good or something else we don't know about. cantor uses R as default backend. R uses fortran. And yes, that's because of its speed, when it comes to mathematics and numerics. Just makes me think again on this one. Dale :-) :-) Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: cantor uses R as default backend. R uses fortran. And yes, that's because of its speed, when it comes to mathematics and numerics. Michael I put it back like it was. Heck, if I don't, something else will need it later on and portage will puke on my keyboard about it being disabled. As it is now, portage will do what is best since the devs tell it what to do. I know they know more about this than I do. I guess my first post was correct after all. Enable fortran USE flag and keep things as it was before it got changed. It was working fine. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT/rant] Self-replicating programmer stupidity
On 06/24/2011 08:49 AM, Arttu V. wrote: On 6/24/11, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: My question: WTF uses these poorly written ftp servers? Why do they exist? Who asked for them? Who wrote the code, and why? Maybe they're all derivatives of a single codebase with lots of bugs and a MIT/BSD/Apache-style license? I like it :)
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On 06/23/2011 11:16 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote:
You'll be telling us there's still a place for Cobol next :-O
Never thought to look before, but:
#eix cobol
* dev-lang/open-cobol
Available versions: (~)1.0 {berkdb nls readline}
Homepage:http://www.opencobol.org/
Description: an open-source COBOL compiler
* dev-lang/tinycobol
Available versions: 0.64 (~)0.65.9
Homepage:http://tiny-cobol.sourceforge.net/
Description: COBOL for linux
I learned something today :)
Re: [gentoo-user] open source monitoring on gentoo
Hello Stefan, Am Freitag, 24. Juni 2011, 11:15:54 schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Greets, I am looking for a nagios-type monitoring system which I can run on gentoo. The requirement is that the customer should be able to add/edit hosts and services via web-GUI ... there is no cli-motivation available there ;-) Second wish would be that the GUI should be available in german language as well (customer in austria). I have nagios running there already so I would like to migrate the existing stuff into the new system. Do you gentoo-users have a recommendation for me? I dug through various lists of monitoring systems but somehow got lost ... Zabbix (http;//www.zabbix.com) may be worth a view. It has monitoring proxy support. The monitoring server can be clustered (depending on the load). regards Petric
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:43:02 +0200 (CEST), Alain DIDIERJEAN wrote: I solved the problem by rebuilding xf86-input-evdev after booting on an unbuntu livecd then chrooting... Took some time. As for using portage Why did you need to chroot, just boot your normal system without X (add gentoo=nox to the kernel paramaters). 2.2, it's listed as ~*2.2.0_alpha41, too early for me. Thanks all for the help Don't let the ridiculous version number fool you, 2.2 has been generally usable for a couple of years. -- Neil Bothwick THE BORG: Calm, Cool and Collective... signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 13:02:23 +0100, Stroller wrote: I like the idea of package.use as a directory of indie files, but haven't bothered switching over because this works so well for me. The package.use directory system seems too simple to be true - is it really no more complex than a directory of any-named files of the same format? Yes. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 3: Working vacation signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 12:56:48 +0100, Stroller wrote: 1) what's the difference between package.keywords and package.accept_keywords? The latter is the new name for the former. So I can just `mv /etc/portage/package.keywords /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords` and nothing will break? Yes, but don't ask me what happens if you have both files. It's a more logical name, because it contains per-package overrides for ACCEPT_KEYWORDS, so it now follows the same naming convention as the other package.* files. -- Neil Bothwick This is the day for firm decisions! Or is it? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:43:50 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: Or maybe 'kde-meta as currently constructed by someone somewhere is a bloat monster in some other people's opinions'. And, we're not required to use it. kde-meta is, by definition, a bloat-monster. It's sole purpose is to install everything KDE you could possibly need without you needing to work it out for yourself. It fulfils that need well, but if space usage or compile times are important to you, it is the wrong choice. -- Neil Bothwick Too many clicks spoil the browse. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:35:55 -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote:
That's not the only one. Digikam has a hard depend on clapack, which
requires virtual/blas and thus a Fortran compiler.
Hrm. I installed kde-meta and it didn't pull in Digikam.
I didn't say it would. I meant that installing Digikam also requires
blas-reference, and therefore a Fortan compiler. Digikam is here because
I chose to install it, gcc{fortran] is here as a consequence of that
choice.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:14:13 +0200, pk wrote: To both of you, let me introduce you to the concept of sarcasm... Oh well... I'm not entirely unfamiliar with that concept, although I admit that it escaped me this time. Perhaps, it has something to do with how it was presented? ;-) sarcasmsarcasm is pointless when presented like this/sarcasm. -- Neil Bothwick ERROR #0915: MONITOR NOT PRESENT. CLICK ON OK TO CONTINUE. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:52:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I guess my first post was correct after all. Enable fortran USE flag and keep things as it was before it got changed. It was working fine. Isn't that flag enabled by default? All you have yo do is not disable it. -- Neil Bothwick Self-explanatory: technospeak for Incomprehensible undocumented signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:43:02 +0200 (CEST), Alain DIDIERJEAN wrote: 2.2, it's listed as ~*2.2.0_alpha41, too early for me. Thanks all for the help Don't let the ridiculous version number fool you, 2.2 has been generally usable for a couple of years. +1 I been using it here for a good while now. Other than the occasional surprise of feature enhancements, it has been fine. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:03:04 -0400, Todd Goodman wrote: What seems strange then is that if everyone keeps telling Dale that he most likely doesn't need cantor and R then why is R enabled in the profile by default? Because if you do need cantor, it works best with R. But the point is that he doesn't need cantor, and therefore not it's dependencies, like R. -- Neil Bothwick Some day my ship will come in, but with my luck, I'll be at the airport. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: about the minimal install isos
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com writes: As for Gentoo installs, IMHO, they are in a bit of a mess right now. Last weekend a friend decided to give Linux a try and I helped him install Gentoo. The tarballs still, after nearly a month I think, didn't include all the required /dev stuff in the stage3 tarball which caused the machine to not boot. Maybe that's what you're seeing? I I'm at the stage right now of trying to boot from the vm harddrive. What is missing from stage3? Maybe I can get it straightened out now before turning the vm on its own.
[gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. Because you responded to an existing thread you are not creating a new thread and thus and reducing the size of the audience that reads your email. Specially I'd have responded to open source monitoring on gentoo, but since I deleted the Fortran thread in its boring entirety I didn't even see it until I saw a response further down the chain today. Whoever started Fbsplash did the same thing. kashani
[gentoo-user] Re: about the minimal install isos
On 06/24/2011 04:08 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com writes: As for Gentoo installs, IMHO, they are in a bit of a mess right now. Last weekend a friend decided to give Linux a try and I helped him install Gentoo. The tarballs still, after nearly a month I think, didn't include all the required /dev stuff in the stage3 tarball which caused the machine to not boot. Maybe that's what you're seeing? I I'm at the stage right now of trying to boot from the vm harddrive. What is missing from stage3? Maybe I can get it straightened out now before turning the vm on its own. Yes, it's a trivial fix (everything's trivial if you know how to do it :) The /dev directory (before udev starts) is missing the /dev/console device -- or maybe it's the /dev/null device. Crap, I can't recall just now but I fixed the problem a week or two ago by using mknod to create the missing device (I think it was /dev/console). Just chroot into your fresh vm and see what's missing from the /dev directory. Use mknod to create the missing device.
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 08:43:50AM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote 95% of what I do in KDE is run Firefox or a VM for trading futures and the balance is mostly use a terminal to maintain my systems. I use Skype a little, backup to a few different external hard drives. Sometimes I play solitaire. Nearly all of my media watching is done in a VM due to NetFlix not supporting anything that runs native on Linux, although I do use xine to watch the occasional DVD from NetFlix that only I want to watch. I don't share desktops, share or mount anything natively Windows. I don't use Konqueror or KDE Mail. I use almost nothing in the KDE Menus for Development, Education, Games, Graphics, Multimedia or Office. Which brings up the question, why are you using KDE in the first place? It's a pointie-clickie-touchie-feelie-oowie-gui that emulates Windows, but doesn't do anything for me. I run Icewm as my WM. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
On 6/24/2011 5:09 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. My understanding is that the NNTP server was munging headers thereby creating new threads where it should have been a single thread. This is users responding to an existing email, removing all content, changing the subject, and then sending the mail which keeps the thread headers and make it appear to be part of the current thread. I see it all the time on the motorcycle lists where the average user is much less computer proficient. kashani
[gentoo-user] WAS [.. min install isos] gentoo vm guest not booting
walt w41...@gmail.com writes: Yes, it's a trivial fix (everything's trivial if you know how to do it :) The /dev directory (before udev starts) is missing the /dev/console device -- or maybe it's the /dev/null device. Crap, I can't recall just now but I fixed the problem a week or two ago by using mknod to create the missing device (I think it was /dev/console). Just chroot into your fresh vm and see what's missing from the /dev directory. Use mknod to create the missing device. /dev/console and /dev/null are there. Not sure how to tell what is missing if anything... comparing to my running desktop there are herds of devs missing But now that I tried booting, I think I'm missing some kind of driver from the kernel build... boot is not able to find my root on sda3. And has a kernel panic. I remember having a heck of a time about scuzy drivers last time too. A couple years ago I didn't think to get the right wording before rebooting into SystemRescueCD and am now chrooted into the vm again. I cannot remember what scsi kernel items to set. I don't think it buslogic .. I did go back and rebuild that into the kernel... but still no go. and still not sure about devs missing either. When building the kernel: I took the config.gz off the minimal install iso as a template for my kernel build. Then turned off some of the more obvious unnecessary gunk. I either turned off something that needs to be on, or just missing a module that I'm not finding. Since the hdd is registering as sda rather than hda... I think that may be what needs something scsi related to be built into the kernel or as module.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the minimal install isos
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com writes: As for Gentoo installs, IMHO, they are in a bit of a mess right now. Last weekend a friend decided to give Linux a try and I helped him install Gentoo. The tarballs still, after nearly a month I think, didn't include all the required /dev stuff in the stage3 tarball which caused the machine to not boot. Maybe that's what you're seeing? I I'm at the stage right now of trying to boot from the vm harddrive. What is missing from stage3? Maybe I can get it straightened out now before turning the vm on its own. /dev/null and /dev/console Look at this post. Check the instructions near the bottom from kswtch as I can confirm they work. The only catch is if your work created a normal file under /dev then erase before creating the new device files: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/gentoo-87/booting-stops-after-kernel-starts-883031/ It was a unique failure I hadn't seen before. There was another method reported to fix this that had to do with a file system called 'devtmpfs' that creates what's needed on the fly (I guess) but I didn't think I was the person to try that out. Hope this helps, Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: WAS [.. min install isos] gentoo vm guest not booting
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: I didn't think to get the right wording before rebooting into SystemRescueCD and am now chrooted into the vm again. Here are the boot messages in a screen grab www.jtan.com/~reader/vu2/disp.cgi
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Do we have to build gcc with fortran now?
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:52:44 -0500, Dale wrote: I guess my first post was correct after all. Enable fortran USE flag and keep things as it was before it got changed. It was working fine. Isn't that flag enabled by default? All you have yo do is not disable it. You seem to have forgot the dev had changed it. Since it got noticed and all the dev changed it back in about a day or so. So, it was enabled, got disabled by a dev then got enabled again by the same dev. That was the reason this whole thread started to begin with, to alert people that a USE flag got disabled and SOME of us need to enable it again if we want things to stay the same. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
kashani wrote: On 6/24/2011 5:09 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. My understanding is that the NNTP server was munging headers thereby creating new threads where it should have been a single thread. This is users responding to an existing email, removing all content, changing the subject, and then sending the mail which keeps the thread headers and make it appear to be part of the current thread. I see it all the time on the motorcycle lists where the average user is much less computer proficient. kashani Well, I don't see where anyone did that to the fortran thread here. All posts have the same subject line. Maybe something is wrong on your end? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the minimal install isos
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 06:52, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote:
On 06/24/2011 04:08 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com writes:
As for Gentoo installs, IMHO, they are in a bit of a mess right
now. Last weekend a friend decided to give Linux a try and I helped
him install Gentoo. The tarballs still, after nearly a month I think,
didn't include all the required /dev stuff in the stage3 tarball which
caused the machine to not boot. Maybe that's what you're seeing? I
I'm at the stage right now of trying to boot from the vm harddrive.
What is missing from stage3? Maybe I can get it straightened out now
before turning the vm on its own.
Yes, it's a trivial fix (everything's trivial if you know how to do it :)
The /dev directory (before udev starts) is missing the /dev/console
device -- or maybe it's the /dev/null device. Crap, I can't recall
just now but I fixed the problem a week or two ago by using mknod to
create the missing device (I think it was /dev/console).
Just chroot into your fresh vm and see what's missing from the /dev
directory. Use mknod to create the missing device.
Actually, both.
The stage3 tarball I had (approx. 2 weeks old) has /dev/null, but it's
a *normal* file.
Just do:
rm -f $root/dev/{null,console}
mknod $root/dev/console c 5 1
mknod $root/dev/null c 1 3
$root is either blank if you've chroot-ed into /mnt/gentoo, or
/mnt/gentoo if you haven't
(The numbers you can see by doing `ls -l -a /dev` *before* chroot-ing)
Rgds,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about the minimal install isos
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:54, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote:
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 06:52, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote:
--snippage--
Yes, it's a trivial fix (everything's trivial if you know how to do it :)
The /dev directory (before udev starts) is missing the /dev/console
device -- or maybe it's the /dev/null device. Crap, I can't recall
just now but I fixed the problem a week or two ago by using mknod to
create the missing device (I think it was /dev/console).
Just chroot into your fresh vm and see what's missing from the /dev
directory. Use mknod to create the missing device.
Actually, both.
The stage3 tarball I had (approx. 2 weeks old) has /dev/null, but it's
a *normal* file.
Just do:
rm -f $root/dev/{null,console}
mknod $root/dev/console c 5 1
mknod $root/dev/null c 1 3
$root is either blank if you've chroot-ed into /mnt/gentoo, or
/mnt/gentoo if you haven't
(The numbers you can see by doing `ls -l -a /dev` *before* chroot-ing)
Sorry. Forgot to stress one thing as posted in the previously-posted
LQ thread (Post #8 by ToK):
DO NOT mount /dev into /mnt/gentoo/dev when you do the rm+(2*mknod)
above. When you `ls /mnt/gentoo/dev`, you should see only the 'null'
and 'console' special character devices, and no other devices.
umount it, if you have to. Cast the above spells, then re-mount. *Then* chroot.
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Re: [gentoo-user] no keyboard no mouse
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 05:00, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 14:43:02 +0200 (CEST), Alain DIDIERJEAN wrote: I solved the problem by rebuilding xf86-input-evdev after booting on an unbuntu livecd then chrooting... Took some time. As for using portage Why did you need to chroot, just boot your normal system without X (add gentoo=nox to the kernel paramaters). 2.2, it's listed as ~*2.2.0_alpha41, too early for me. Thanks all for the help Don't let the ridiculous version number fool you, 2.2 has been generally usable for a couple of years. Honestly, the alpha designation also made me shy away from 2.2 Really, someone should rebrand that as beta, if 2.2 is indeed usable for a couple of years. That said, thanks for the heads-up. I'll unmask it on my systems :-) Rgdsm -- Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ Visit my Blog: http://pepoluan.posterous.com Google Talk: pepoluan Y! messenger: pepoluan MSN / Live: pepol...@hotmail.com (do not send email here) Skype: pepoluan
