Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Friday 19 Aug 2011 23:08:06 Dale wrote: Gregory Woodbury wrote: The initramfs is a container for modules and stuff need to bring up the system before the mounts of / and /boot.If all the drivers are built-in to the kernel (or at least the minimum required drivers are built-in) then the initramfs isn't necessary. Passing parameters to the kernel is a different issue entirely. My grub.conf line is: kernel /vmlinuz-3.0.3-gentoo root=/dev/sda2 pata_it821x.noraid=1 with the pata_it821x driver built-in for the kenel to find a set of older IDE drives on the IT8212 card I have installed. IIRC the initramfs is built with the mkinitrd command. I haven't had to use it so I could be wrong. Update with new info. With udev needing some things in /usr, and /var, you will need a init* if /usr and /var is not on / in the near future. Yea, real neat. Some need it already just depends on what is installed from what I read. Give us a link please Dale. 2/3 of my boxen have both /usr and/var on separate partitions and I never had to use initramfs (other than boot splash - or whatever it happens to be called this month). -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
Mick wrote: On Friday 19 Aug 2011 23:08:06 Dale wrote: Gregory Woodbury wrote: The initramfs is a container for modules and stuff need to bring up the system before the mounts of / and /boot.If all the drivers are built-in to the kernel (or at least the minimum required drivers are built-in) then the initramfs isn't necessary. Passing parameters to the kernel is a different issue entirely. My grub.conf line is: kernel /vmlinuz-3.0.3-gentoo root=/dev/sda2 pata_it821x.noraid=1 with the pata_it821x driver built-in for the kenel to find a set of older IDE drives on the IT8212 card I have installed. IIRC the initramfs is built with the mkinitrd command. I haven't had to use it so I could be wrong. Update with new info. With udev needing some things in /usr, and /var, you will need a init* if /usr and /var is not on / in the near future. Yea, real neat. Some need it already just depends on what is installed from what I read. Give us a link please Dale. 2/3 of my boxen have both /usr and/var on separate partitions and I never had to use initramfs (other than boot splash - or whatever it happens to be called this month). It was discussed on -dev so far. This is the subject line: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook? I think it will apply to /var to at some point. I think it sucks. I have /var on a separate partition and want to put /usr on one to but not now. I think it can be found on gmane.com. Again, it is on -dev and yes I raised my objections to this but it is UPSTREAM from Gentoo. Dang Fedora or something. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
On Sat 20 August 2011 00:02:15 Walter Dnes did opine thusly: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 01:34:33AM +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote Interesting - thanks! It found an unused library file (qdbm) here that nothing else had. One suggestion: I'd create cleanscript in /tmp rather than wherever I happened to be at the time. Question... how many people have /tmp on a partition that's mounted noexec? That could be a problem. Add a variable at the top to define the bin directory to use. Then users can change it to whatever suits them. /tmp is a good default, except when it's mounted noexec. Same for ~ Almost every reasonable choice will have times when it's not good, so rather shift the responsibility over to the end user :-) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} rdiff-backup: push or pull?
On Fri 19 August 2011 12:58:10 Grant did opine thusly: Is the purpose of the Host block in .ssh/config to store the hostname of the backup server so it doesn't need to be used directly in the rdiff-backup command? It forces key-based authentication when connecting to the backup server. The default is password-based, which obviously won't work in a cron job. I don't use an .ssh/config at all and I'm not prompted for a password if the keys are in place. My sshd_config is pretty much default and my normal user is prompted for a password. sshd can use various schemes for user authentication. The overall process is: user connects user is authenticated somehow user's shell is launched The middle step is highly variable. sshd can do all of it itself using only keys, or it could be happy with password authentication, it can even use PAM and obey whatever yes/no result PAM comes back with. sshd runs as root (therefore with access to /etc/shadow) so it could even validate passwords itself if it wanted, bypassing login and PAM entirely. This is of course a silly idea, but still technically feasible. . .ssh/config is only useful when the user desires options different from the global defaults in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, or wants to do extra actions for specific destination hosts Why create a password for the backup user? Doesn't that open up the possibility of someone logging in as that user, when otherwise the account would only be used for backing up files? It might work without one; in these instructions the machine-to-be-backed-up never connects to the backup server as root, and so you need a way to SCP stuff to the backup server. I usually use a `pwgen 16` password for these accounts and then immediately forget it, so nobody will log in to them for a few billion years at least. Does key-based authentication work with no password? I've never tried. It does! :) - Grant -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Sat 20 August 2011 02:17:06 Dale did opine thusly: Update with new info. With udev needing some things in /usr, and /var, you will need a init* if /usr and /var is not on / in the near future. Yea, real neat. Some need it already just depends on what is installed from what I read. Give us a link please Dale. 2/3 of my boxen have both /usr and/var on separate partitions and I never had to use initramfs (other than boot splash - or whatever it happens to be called this month). It was discussed on -dev so far. This is the subject line: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook? I think it will apply to /var to at some point. I think it sucks. I have /var on a separate partition and want to put /usr on one to but not now. Eh? That's fucking braindead. It also violates everything udev ever intended to do. /usr and /var on separate partitions, plus a custom kernel without an initramfs is *exactly* the most common use case for Gentoo -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] netqmail blocks maildrop requiered by qmail-scanner.
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 08:47:08PM -0700, fe...@crowfix.com wrote: Someone told me to set -tools for maildrop in package.use. I looked up what that does but forget now, so presumably it's not terribly important on my system. Still puzzling. maildrop, netqmail, courier-imap all install the same file(s) leading to a file collision. See bug #61116 for the gory details. Basically, with -tools, we do not intall them. Tying conflicting files to a USE flag does not make me happy either but it was better than status quo. An argument can be made though to not enable the tools flag by default. -- Eray Aslan e...@gentoo.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat 20 August 2011 02:17:06 Dale did opine thusly: It was discussed on -dev so far. This is the subject line: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook? I think it will apply to /var to at some point. I think it sucks. I have /var on a separate partition and want to put /usr on one to but not now. Eh? That's fucking braindead. It also violates everything udev ever intended to do. /usr and /var on separate partitions, plus a custom kernel without an initramfs is *exactly* the most common use case for Gentoo I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. You planning to explain this to the devs? Maybe you will have better luck. They said it is a dev from Fedora that started this . . . . crap. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Sat 20 August 2011 03:48:18 Dale did opine thusly: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat 20 August 2011 02:17:06 Dale did opine thusly: It was discussed on -dev so far. This is the subject line: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook? I think it will apply to /var to at some point. I think it sucks. I have /var on a separate partition and want to put /usr on one to but not now. Eh? That's fucking braindead. It also violates everything udev ever intended to do. /usr and /var on separate partitions, plus a custom kernel without an initramfs is *exactly* the most common use case for Gentoo I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. You planning to explain this to the devs? Maybe you will have better luck. They said it is a dev from Fedora that started this . . . . crap. ;-) I'll spend some time I don't have reading the archives, then see. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Software for LCD Data Center
Hello list! I've recently bought LCD television from Panasonic (TX-L32E30E Viera). It is connected to my home LAN and it should be able to access data on local computers using some Data Center feature. From what I've heard, it is something little bit different than common NFS/Samba sharing. It should be natively supported by Win7 and there may be some applications for WinXP. Unfortunately no applications were shipped on CD with the telly. I wonder whether there is some way to connect my home Gentoo server to the telly? Is there any linux application/specific Samba configuration/...? Have anyone tried anything similar? Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
On Saturday 20 August 2011 09:07:17 Alan McKinnon wrote: Add a variable at the top to define the bin directory to use. Then users can change it to whatever suits them. /tmp is a good default, except when it's mounted noexec. Same for ~ Almost every reasonable choice will have times when it's not good, so rather shift the responsibility over to the end user :-) Or, as Pandu said, clean up afterwards. Not knocking your work, Walter - I like the script and I'm grateful. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 4:48 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. You planning to explain this to the devs? Maybe you will have better luck. They said it is a dev from Fedora that started this . . . . crap. ;-) What's more, the Fedora dev who did this sh** believes that it's a religious issue and refuses to discuss it. (personal experience) He ignores the historical reasons, the advantages of separate partitions, and even signed off on a bugzilla discussion as WONTFIX.
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Saturday 20 Aug 2011 09:57:46 Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat 20 August 2011 03:48:18 Dale did opine thusly: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sat 20 August 2011 02:17:06 Dale did opine thusly: It was discussed on -dev so far. This is the subject line: Warn users not to do separate /usr partition without proper initramfs in the handbook? I think it will apply to /var to at some point. I think it sucks. I have /var on a separate partition and want to put /usr on one to but not now. Eh? That's fucking braindead. It also violates everything udev ever intended to do. /usr and /var on separate partitions, plus a custom kernel without an initramfs is *exactly* the most common use case for Gentoo I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. You planning to explain this to the devs? Maybe you will have better luck. They said it is a dev from Fedora that started this . . . . crap. ;-) I'll spend some time I don't have reading the archives, then see. The very reason I use Gentoo is BECAUSE I don't like RHL. :( I still have to use CentOS on a server and curse every time it won't work like Gentoo. Can't they just leave us alone? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:48:18 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: [snip] I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. I have also been following the discussion on gentoo-dev, although I currently only lurk there. I was going to register and post with a suggestion that everything should be on the root partition; that way we could rename it C: and be compliant with the industry standard. However, it gets worse: one cannot safely fsck a partition or logical volume once it has been mounted. As things currently stand, there are no statically linked fsck modules for ext2/3/4, as static linkage was dropped from e2fsprogs about 3 years ago. This means for fsck to run inside an initramfs or intrd, the image will have to contain glibc, libpthread and a whole slew of other large libraries in order to run e2fsck with dynamic linkage. The initramfs will end up being *many* times larger than the kernel itself. [On my systems, the vmlinuz file is only about 1.8 megs, and glibc alone makes that look really puny.] Welcome to progress. - -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] == dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) == -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk5Pr8QACgkQRQ2Fs59Psv+S8ACeMadMIjobzT61nCWoVrlqz0Pz t50AoLZ83Jgw16BIWg7CD2tCb8hrdRzf =gDyo -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Saturday 20 Aug 2011 13:59:42 David W Noon wrote: On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:48:18 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: [snip] I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. I have also been following the discussion on gentoo-dev, although I currently only lurk there. I was going to register and post with a suggestion that everything should be on the root partition; that way we could rename it C: and be compliant with the industry standard. However, it gets worse: one cannot safely fsck a partition or logical volume once it has been mounted. As things currently stand, there are no statically linked fsck modules for ext2/3/4, as static linkage was dropped from e2fsprogs about 3 years ago. This means for fsck to run inside an initramfs or intrd, the image will have to contain glibc, libpthread and a whole slew of other large libraries in order to run e2fsck with dynamic linkage. The initramfs will end up being *many* times larger than the kernel itself. [On my systems, the vmlinuz file is only about 1.8 megs, and glibc alone makes that look really puny.] Welcome to progress. This is madness. Is there anything we can do to stop it? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
Wel... ... the Gentoo project can always fork e2fsprogs ... ... but who will maintain it, then? Rgds, On 2011-08-20, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 20 Aug 2011 13:59:42 David W Noon wrote: On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:48:18 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: [snip] I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. I have also been following the discussion on gentoo-dev, although I currently only lurk there. I was going to register and post with a suggestion that everything should be on the root partition; that way we could rename it C: and be compliant with the industry standard. However, it gets worse: one cannot safely fsck a partition or logical volume once it has been mounted. As things currently stand, there are no statically linked fsck modules for ext2/3/4, as static linkage was dropped from e2fsprogs about 3 years ago. This means for fsck to run inside an initramfs or intrd, the image will have to contain glibc, libpthread and a whole slew of other large libraries in order to run e2fsck with dynamic linkage. The initramfs will end up being *many* times larger than the kernel itself. [On my systems, the vmlinuz file is only about 1.8 megs, and glibc alone makes that look really puny.] Welcome to progress. This is madness. Is there anything we can do to stop it? -- Regards, Mick -- -- Pandu E Poluan - IT Optimizer My website: http://pandu.poluan.info/
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Sat 20 August 2011 14:29:15 Mick did opine thusly: On Saturday 20 Aug 2011 13:59:42 David W Noon wrote: On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:48:18 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: [snip] I wish you could convince the devs of that. I already have /var on its own and was planning to put /usr on its own. I'm not now tho. Looks like /, /boot, /home and that's it for the OS part. It downright sucks. I have also been following the discussion on gentoo-dev, although I currently only lurk there. I was going to register and post with a suggestion that everything should be on the root partition; that way we could rename it C: and be compliant with the industry standard. However, it gets worse: one cannot safely fsck a partition or logical volume once it has been mounted. As things currently stand, there are no statically linked fsck modules for ext2/3/4, as static linkage was dropped from e2fsprogs about 3 years ago. This means for fsck to run inside an initramfs or intrd, the image will have to contain glibc, libpthread and a whole slew of other large libraries in order to run e2fsck with dynamic linkage. The initramfs will end up being *many* times larger than the kernel itself. [On my systems, the vmlinuz file is only about 1.8 megs, and glibc alone makes that look really puny.] Welcome to progress. This is madness. Is there anything we can do to stop it? Fork. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] stage3.1 USE flags, okay to 'ignore' differences?
I hope someone can shed me some light here. I keep finding myself doing time-consuming emerges for my Gentoo (virtual) systems (e.g., gcc-4.5.3, glibc-2.13, emerge -e, and so on). So, I found myself wanting to build a so-called 'stage3.1' tarball (i.e., a stage3 tarball *plus* the things I did all this time). Now, my systems have different USE flags, depending on its usage. So my question is: Can I just disregard the differences in USE flags for my stage3.1 (e.g., just use the most-minimal amount of USE flags) and do an emerge -avuND @system @world for every system having a different set of USE flag? Or should I make one stage3.1 tarball for each USE flag combination? Rgds, -- -- Pandu E Poluan - IT Optimizer My website: http://pandu.poluan.info/
Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:58:53 +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot: On 2011-08-20, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] This is madness. Is there anything we can do to stop it? [top posting corrected] Wel... ... the Gentoo project can always fork e2fsprogs ... ... but who will maintain it, then? I will be working on this next week. I hope to resurrect the old e2fsck.static program by late in the week, as the Makefile recipes seem to be still there, but the target is no longer on the list. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] stage3.1 USE flags, okay to 'ignore' differences?
On Sat 20 August 2011 22:13:07 Pandu Poluan did opine thusly: I hope someone can shed me some light here. I keep finding myself doing time-consuming emerges for my Gentoo (virtual) systems (e.g., gcc-4.5.3, glibc-2.13, emerge -e, and so on). So, I found myself wanting to build a so-called 'stage3.1' tarball (i.e., a stage3 tarball *plus* the things I did all this time). Now, my systems have different USE flags, depending on its usage. So my question is: Can I just disregard the differences in USE flags for my stage3.1 (e.g., just use the most-minimal amount of USE flags) and do an emerge -avuND @system @world for every system having a different set of USE flag? Or should I make one stage3.1 tarball for each USE flag combination? Either way works. All you have here is a classic case of finding the sweet spot that is maximum commonality and minimum hassle to tweak it. Only you can define where that sweet spot is, as the answer relies on things like how much resources you have to re-compile, the number of re-emerging to be done, and how little (or much) tolerance you have. To get a real answer you'd have to give full details on your new tarball, USE flags, and how the actual machines using them differ. Then describe the impact of those changes and which bits you are happy with. I then doubt many people would bother reading and responding :-) Personally, I consider anything that needs glibc, gcc and the bulk of @system to be rebuild to be a PITA and I'd be making different tarballs for those once. But if the list of remerges is say 30 perl packages then I wouldn't bother and just stick with one tarball as that update is about 4 minutes worth of time. But that's just me. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Software for LCD Data Center
On Saturday 20 Aug 2011 10:40:37 czernitko wrote: Hello list! I've recently bought LCD television from Panasonic (TX-L32E30E Viera). It is connected to my home LAN and it should be able to access data on local computers using some Data Center feature. From what I've heard, it is something little bit different than common NFS/Samba sharing. It should be natively supported by Win7 and there may be some applications for WinXP. Unfortunately no applications were shipped on CD with the telly. I wonder whether there is some way to connect my home Gentoo server to the telly? Is there any linux application/specific Samba configuration/...? Have anyone tried anything similar? Peter Look into: * media-video/ushare Available versions: ~ 1.1a ~amd64 ~x86 [dlna nls] Homepage:http://ushare.geexbox.org/ Description: uShare is a UPnP (TM) A/V DLNA Media Server it should work once you connect a wireless (USB?) adaptor to your TV and sort out connections across the LAN. HTH. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Do you block outbound ports?
I like the policy of blocking all ports in and out with a firewall and only opening the ones you need. Bittorrent makes that difficult since it connects out to unpredictable ports. Do you block outbound ports with a firewall or only inbound? - Grant
[gentoo-user] Mercurial Server
Hi, I managed to configure mercurial-server on my gentoo vps, and add my public key for the root user to it. I can ssh to hg@myvps. But this is what I get when I run hg clone ssh://hg@myvps/hgadmin: running ssh hg@myvps hg -R hgadmin serve --stdio remote: Traceback (most recent call last): remote: File /usr/share/mercurial-server/hg-ssh, line 76, in module remote: dispatch.dispatch(['-R', repo, 'serve', '--stdio']) remote: File /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/dispatch.py, line 31, in dispatch remote: if req.ferr: remote: AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'ferr' abort: no suitable response from remote hg! Any clues? -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Do you block outbound ports?
On Sat 20 August 2011 10:38:43 Grant did opine thusly: I like the policy of blocking all ports in and out with a firewall and only opening the ones you need. Bittorrent makes that difficult since it connects out to unpredictable ports. Do you block outbound ports with a firewall or only inbound? For the most part only inbound. Blocking outbound is pretty much pointless as a security measure. You cannot control what people will want to connect to outbound. Every time you think you have a complete list, someone will come along and provide you with heaps of reasons as to why their request is legit (and it usually is!) What you can control completely is the services you offer and on what ports, therefore inbound firewalls make sense. That's not to say we don't use outbound firewalls at all, we do - as a policy measure. Outbound port 25 is blocked so that people will use my relays instead. I trust them to play nice, they trust me to keep the service up. For us, this works well. But as a security measure the entire model falls apart as soon as someone with a clue comes along. I have this game I play with our firewall/security people where I get to look smug. Tool of choice? ssh The security benefits from outbound connections to my mind are: warm-and-fuzzy security cover-your-ass security just-do-whatever-the-damn-auditor-says-so-he-can-stfu security i-don't-know-what-i'm-doing security but almost never real security. That's better done with permanent ACLs on the routers. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: Do you block outbound ports?
On 08/20/2011 08:38 PM, Grant wrote: I like the policy of blocking all ports in and out with a firewall and only opening the ones you need. Bittorrent makes that difficult since it connects out to unpredictable ports. Do you block outbound ports with a firewall or only inbound? I block neither in nor outbound. I don't run any kind of firewall because its whole point is interfering with network traffic :-P
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
Am 18.08.2011 00:54, schrieb Sebastian Beßler: I'd be happy to discuss these things with you gentoo-users. I will use that offer and will keep you, and everyone else here, up to date and posted. looking fwd to your report. greets, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd
As always when I want to do anything like this there comes something more important along and occupies all of my time. So migration to systemd is stoped for now. Hope I will come to it soon. Greets Sebastian Am 20.08.2011 22:22, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: looking fwd to your report. greets, Stefan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] emerging glib fails to create .la files
I've run into a strange problem updating my netbook. I merged glib-2.28.8 successfully as part of a Revdep-Rebuild job, it being a dep for one of the pkgs in the R-R list. However after that, merging gtk+-2.24.4 librsvg-2.34.0 libglade-2.6.4 all failed with a libtool error : libtool: link: /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.0.la is not a valid libtool archive or ditto for libgobject ; indeed, those files do not exist in the netbook, but in my already updated desktop machine, glib did create them. The glib merge msgs did include a recommendation to remerge dbus-glib , but that required dbus that too failed with a similar libtool error ! I tried remerging glib , but it still didn't create the needed .la files. The only item thrown up by Google was a Gentoo forum thread re a different problem, but recent suggesting gcc needed updating or users could run into problems with Gnome-type apps. I'm presently updating to gcc-4.4.5 (previously 4.4.3), but that will take 3 hr in the netbook, so any advice is welcome. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Mercurial Server
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan cont...@nileshgr.comwrote: Hi, I managed to configure mercurial-server on my gentoo vps, and add my public key for the root user to it. I can ssh to hg@myvps. But this is what I get when I run hg clone ssh://hg@myvps/hgadmin: running ssh hg@myvps hg -R hgadmin serve --stdio remote: Traceback (most recent call last): remote: File /usr/share/mercurial-server/hg-ssh, line 76, in module remote: dispatch.dispatch(['-R', repo, 'serve', '--stdio']) remote: File /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/mercurial/dispatch.py, line 31, in dispatch remote: if req.ferr: remote: AttributeError: 'list' object has no attribute 'ferr' abort: no suitable response from remote hg! Any clues? -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com I started to write some questions for you to answer, but then I decided I'd see if anyone else was having this issue [0]. Maybe that'll help. It looks like a bug that should be filed. [0] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6730735/troubles-with-mercurial-1-9-and-ssh
Re: [gentoo-user] Do you block outbound ports?
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Grant emailgr...@gmail.com wrote: I like the policy of blocking all ports in and out with a firewall and only opening the ones you need. Bittorrent makes that difficult since it connects out to unpredictable ports. Do you block outbound ports with a firewall or only inbound? I don't block anything outbound, but my ISP does (mostly MS-stuff that I don't care about). I do, however, occasionally block all outgoing just to see what the logs show, so I'm aware of what's happening. But I don't actively monitor that outbound traffic. I block everything inbound and only open what's specifically needed. I use denyhosts and fail2ban to block bad guys from all ports.
[gentoo-user] Hoping someone can help explain distcc to me
Hi,
I have a fast desktop computer and a slow laptop. Both are ~amd64
Gentoo. After some of the recent discussions about Gentoo on slow
devices, I thought I'd dust off the laptop and try to bring it up to
date.
I'd like to use distcc to make the desktop do all the compiling during
emerges. I've never been able to get distcc working properly, or, at
least, I've never been able to get it working to the point where using
distcc is any faster than not using it at all.
Desktop: 192.168.0.100
Laptop: 192.168.0.107
My goal is to just don't use the laptop at all. Do all compiling on
the desktop. So far, while it appears to be working (some things are
being compiled on the desktop, a very insignificant amount -- CPU
usage on the desktop is basically 0% during emerges on the laptop),
compile times are no better than just compiling everything on the
laptop. The laptop still has 100% CPU activity during emerges. I
realize the laptop is still going to do work during emerges, but
thought at least distcc might be able to help offload most of the
heavy part (the compiling).
Both machines contain distcc in FEATURES. It's not using
-march=native. I've tried various -jN values with no real difference
in performance.
On the desktop, /etc/conf.d/distcc contains (among other things):
DISTCCD_OPTS=${DISTCCD_OPTS} --allow 192.168.0.0/24
DISTCCD_OPTS=${DISTCCD_OPTS} --listen 192.168.0.100
And /etc/distccd/hosts contains:
192.168.0.0/24
On the laptop, /etc/conf.d/distcc contains (among other things):
DISTCCD_OPTS=${DISTCCD_OPTS} --allow 192.168.0.0/24
DISTCCD_OPTS=${DISTCCD_OPTS} --listen 192.168.0.107
And /etc/distccd/hosts contains:
192.168.0.100
Does anyone know any tricks or can tell me if I'm doing something
wrong? How much of a speed-up should I realistically expect? Should
distcc be able to exploit the fast machine to the fullest of its
abilities?
Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] emerging glib fails to create .la files : PS
Yes, I did run 'lafilefixer --justfixit', but it had no effect. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] emerging glib fails to create .la files
Philip Webb wrote: I've run into a strange problem updating my netbook. I merged glib-2.28.8 successfully as part of a Revdep-Rebuild job, it being a dep for one of the pkgs in the R-R list. However after that, merging gtk+-2.24.4 librsvg-2.34.0 libglade-2.6.4 all failed with a libtool error : libtool: link: /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.0.la is not a valid libtool archive or ditto for libgobject ; indeed, those files do not exist in the netbook, but in my already updated desktop machine, glib did create them. The glib merge msgs did include a recommendation to remerge dbus-glib , but that required dbus that too failed with a similar libtool error ! I tried remerging glib , but it still didn't create the needed .la files. The only item thrown up by Google was a Gentoo forum thread re a different problem, but recent suggesting gcc needed updating or users could run into problems with Gnome-type apps. I'm presently updating to gcc-4.4.5 (previously 4.4.3), but that will take 3 hr in the netbook, so any advice is welcome. This is based on a quick read of your post. If you are just now noticing that .la files are missing, you are in for a treat. They have been removing .la files for quite some time now. I would suggest running revdep-rebuild and it may take a few times. I'm not sure if using a 2.2 version of portage would help on this or not. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] emerging glib fails to create .la files
110820 Dale wrote: This is based on a quick read of your post. Thanks for trying to help, but perhaps a bit too quick (smile) ? If you are just now noticing that .la files are missing, they have been removing .la files for quite some time now. As I said, the files were created by the same 'glib' for my desktop. I would suggest running revdep-rebuild and it may take a few times. As I said, I was in the midst of emerging the results of 'R-R --pretend', when I got into this jam (it couldn't decide the pkg order anyway). I'm not sure if using a 2.2 version of portage would help on this or not. My desktop machine uses 2.1.10.3 there's no similar problem there, so that seems unlikely to help. I did update 'gnuconfig', which supports 'libtool', so perhaps I need to remerge 'libtool', but that still doesn't explain the missing .la files, which I can only emphasise were created in my desktop machine. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Hoping someone can help explain distcc to me
On Saturday 20 August 2011 23:56:08 Paul Hartman wrote: I have a fast desktop computer and a slow laptop. Both are ~amd64 Gentoo. After some of the recent discussions about Gentoo on slow devices, I thought I'd dust off the laptop and try to bring it up to date. I'd like to use distcc to make the desktop do all the compiling during emerges. I've never been able to get distcc working properly, or, at least, I've never been able to get it working to the point where using distcc is any faster than not using it at all. Your laptop isn't sending its compilation jobs to your desktop. Have you used gkrellm or similar to check for network traffic? I think I'd take a different approach, one that I dare say you can anticipate. By all means take the advice you're about to be offered to get distcc working, but why not create a chroot on your desktop, NFS export the packages directory from the laptop to it and do the whole job there? Then return to the laptop and emerge -k. It does need more keystrokes but it uses far less CPU. You just need to copy /var/lib/portage/world, make.conf and the /etc/portage tree to the chroot before you start. I did once get distcc working, but as Neil has observed re Atoms, a lot of work is still done before compilation is farmed out to the distcc server, rather diluting the benefit of distributed compilation. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Hoping someone can help explain distcc to me
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote: On Saturday 20 August 2011 23:56:08 Paul Hartman wrote: I have a fast desktop computer and a slow laptop. Both are ~amd64 Gentoo. After some of the recent discussions about Gentoo on slow devices, I thought I'd dust off the laptop and try to bring it up to date. I'd like to use distcc to make the desktop do all the compiling during emerges. I've never been able to get distcc working properly, or, at least, I've never been able to get it working to the point where using distcc is any faster than not using it at all. Your laptop isn't sending its compilation jobs to your desktop. Have you used gkrellm or similar to check for network traffic? Well, there are definitely some distcc jobs going to the desktop, I see them, it's just that they finish so fast and there's a long time between them. The logs indicate it is successfully compiling things. But, it is in no way saturating the resources of the desktop, which is what I was (perhaps naively) hoping to see. I think I'd take a different approach, one that I dare say you can anticipate. By all means take the advice you're about to be offered to get distcc working, but why not create a chroot on your desktop, NFS export the packages directory from the laptop to it and do the whole job there? Then return to the laptop and emerge -k. It does need more keystrokes but it uses far less CPU. You just need to copy /var/lib/portage/world, make.conf and the /etc/portage tree to the chroot before you start. I did once get distcc working, but as Neil has observed re Atoms, a lot of work is still done before compilation is farmed out to the distcc server, rather diluting the benefit of distributed compilation. That was going to be my next approach if distcc just doesn't do enough. :) Could I just export the entire laptop - everything from the root directory and below - and chroot into that over the network? Then I wouldn't even need to emerge -k...
Re: [gentoo-user] Hoping someone can help explain distcc to me
Both machines contain distcc in FEATURES. It's not using
-march=native. I've tried various -jN values with no real difference
in performance.
only client (your laptop) machine should be distcc featured. for server
(desktop) that feature is useless
On the desktop, /etc/conf.d/distcc contains (among other things):
DISTCCD_OPTS=${DISTCCD_OPTS} --allow 192.168.0.0/24
DISTCCD_OPTS=${DISTCCD_OPTS} --listen 192.168.0.100
this is server distcc daemon configuration, one just instructs daemon on what
network interface to listen for incoming connections (interface with ip
192.168.0.100 in your case) and filter incoming distcc connections by source
address: allow only those coming from local network machines with ip addresses
192.168.0.1 to 192.168.0.254
then distccd have to be started: /etc/init.d/distccd start
And /etc/distccd/hosts contains:
192.168.0.0/24
this file configures distcc client behavior (actually the configuration can be
complex, see distcc man page for details), but in trivial case (for home
computing) it might look like:
192.168.0.100/6 127.0.0.1/1
e.g the client is able to send up to 6 distcc jobs to 192.168.0.100 and limit to
one job at local machine. client's /etc/make.conf has to have distcc feature
enabled (FEATURES=distcc). surely you can play with job distribution rules
around the network. `distcc --show-hosts` command displays what you configured.
the number of cuncurrently running jobs (-j flag) has to be not less than sum of
local and remote jobs
i had noticed that distcc is peevish about CFLAGS: these should be compatible on
both client and server. in my case i made these similar on both machines (laptop
is core2duo and desktop is core2quad; both are running amd64 arch)
yet another way to install packages on weak notebook running it on the same arch
as desktop runs, - is to create binaries at powerful machine (while emerging or
with quickpkg utility) and share $PKGDIR with laptop
hth
[gentoo-user] [Gentoo install] Disk full at 35%?
Hi all, It's been quite a few years but I decided to try another Gentoo install (on a VirtualBox instance). I wanted to try out some new things... I created a ton of partitions including /usr (I want to see if I can get that to work), /portage, and /distfiles. The idea was to mount /portage on top of /usr and /distfiles on top of /portage. This all works fine. However, when I try to extract the Portage snapshot, I get No space left on device a long way into the untar process. According to df /portage (i.e. /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage) is only 35% full. In fact, not a single partition or mount is even close to full (except for /mnt/static, the DVD). If I untar directly to /usr (after unmounting /portage), everything works fine. If I then try to copy or move to /portage, I get the No space left on device again. And at the same place. Does anyone know what's going on here? I didn't realize I was doing such strange things. At least not this early on. :-) Cheers, Hilco
Re: [gentoo-user] [Gentoo install] Disk full at 35%?
Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, It's been quite a few years but I decided to try another Gentoo install (on a VirtualBox instance). I wanted to try out some new things... I created a ton of partitions including /usr (I want to see if I can get that to work), /portage, and /distfiles. The idea was to mount /portage on top of /usr and /distfiles on top of /portage. This all works fine. However, when I try to extract the Portage snapshot, I get No space left on device a long way into the untar process. According to df /portage (i.e. /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage) is only 35% full. In fact, not a single partition or mount is even close to full (except for /mnt/static, the DVD). If I untar directly to /usr (after unmounting /portage), everything works fine. If I then try to copy or move to /portage, I get the No space left on device again. And at the same place. Does anyone know what's going on here? I didn't realize I was doing such strange things. At least not this early on. :-) See if you are out of inodes. The only way to get the inodes that I am aware of is to debugfs to the partition and do stat from within -- if there is a better way please let me know. But why not use lvm? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Hoping someone can help explain distcc to me
On Sunday 21 August 2011 02:08:51 Paul Hartman wrote: Could I just export the entire laptop - everything from the root directory and below - and chroot into that over the network? Then I wouldn't even need to emerge -k... No, I tried that and got myself tied in knots - well, actually it was the whole portage tree that I exported, not the entire system. I forget what went wrong now, but it's definitely cleaner to tell the server to build the packages and the client to install from them. The emerge -k step is quick too, and you have the advantage that you can see whether the packages are actually there, unless you've switched colours off or not specified -v. (I once found that they weren't there, which prompted me to go looking for the config problem. Like Dale, I'm quite a good tester!) You just have to make sure that the chroot is identical to the client. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] emerging glib fails to create .la files : SOLVED
110820 Philip Webb wrote: I've run into a strange problem updating my netbook. I merged glib-2.28.8 successfully as part of a Revdep-Rebuild job, it being a dep for one of the pkgs in the R-R list. However after that, merging gtk+-2.24.4 librsvg-2.34.0 libglade-2.6.4 all failed with a libtool error : libtool: link: /usr/lib/libgio-2.0.0.la is not a valid libtool archive or ditto for libgobject ; indeed, those files do not exist in the netbook, but in my already updated desktop machine, glib did create them. After I updated gcc libtool , the other pkgs merged with no problem. Dale's reply contained a hint : .la files have been dropped, so the latest libtool doesn't look for them presumably; it still leaves the puzzle why they're present in the desktop machine. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Mercurial Server
On 08/21/2011 03:43 AM, Matthew Finkel wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan cont...@nileshgr.comwrote: Hi, I managed to configure mercurial-server on my gentoo vps, and add my public key for the root user to it. I can ssh to hg@myvps. I started to write some questions for you to answer, but then I decided I'd see if anyone else was having this issue [0]. Maybe that'll help. It looks like a bug that should be filed. [0] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6730735/troubles-with-mercurial-1-9-and-ssh Well, that page contains the answer as well. Thanks :-) It's a dispatch API change. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] emerging glib fails to create .la files
Philip Webb wrote: 110820 Dale wrote: This is based on a quick read of your post. Thanks for trying to help, but perhaps a bit too quick (smile) ? I was actually on the puter to check the weather before leaving. I did want to try at least. From the other post, it appears I did offer a hint that helped tho. That's good enough sometimes. Wish I had a hint to the next lotto numbers. o_O Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Hoping someone can help explain distcc to me
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 21 August 2011 02:08:51 Paul Hartman wrote: Could I just export the entire laptop - everything from the root directory and below - and chroot into that over the network? Then I wouldn't even need to emerge -k... No, I tried that and got myself tied in knots - well, actually it was the whole portage tree that I exported, not the entire system. I forget what went wrong now, but it's definitely cleaner to tell the server to build the packages and the client to install from them. The emerge -k step is quick too, and you have the advantage that you can see whether the packages are actually there, unless you've switched colours off or not specified -v. (I once found that they weren't there, which prompted me to go looking for the config problem. Like Dale, I'm quite a good tester!) You just have to make sure that the chroot is identical to the client. Since you mentioned me. I wish I could set up a quicky from my 4 core 64 bit machine to compile 32 bit packages for a older 2GHz machine that belongs to a friend. I was going to put Mandriva on it but the CD won;t boot up properly. It stops at starting udev. Gr. How hard is it to set up a 64 bit machine to compile programs for a 32 bit system? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Hoping someone can help explain distcc to me
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Sunday 21 August 2011 02:08:51 Paul Hartman wrote: Could I just export the entire laptop - everything from the root directory and below - and chroot into that over the network? Then I wouldn't even need to emerge -k... No, I tried that and got myself tied in knots - well, actually it was the whole portage tree that I exported, not the entire system. I forget what went wrong now, but it's definitely cleaner to tell the server to build the packages and the client to install from them. The emerge -k step is quick too, and you have the advantage that you can see whether the packages are actually there, unless you've switched colours off or not specified -v. (I once found that they weren't there, which prompted me to go looking for the config problem. Like Dale, I'm quite a good tester!) You just have to make sure that the chroot is identical to the client. Since you mentioned me. I wish I could set up a quicky from my 4 core 64 bit machine to compile 32 bit packages for a older 2GHz machine that belongs to a friend. I was going to put Mandriva on it but the CD won;t boot up properly. It stops at starting udev. Gr. How hard is it to set up a 64 bit machine to compile programs for a 32 bit system? Dale :-) :-) It's actually quite easy. IIRC, when I did it last, the only difference is that when you chroot into the subsystem you need prefix the command with linux32, e.g. linux32 chroot /path/to/chroot /bin/bash
Re: [gentoo-user] [Gentoo install] Disk full at 35%?
On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: However, when I try to extract the Portage snapshot, I get No space left on device a long way into the untar process. According to df /portage (i.e. /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage) is only 35% full. In fact, not a single partition or mount is even close to full (except for /mnt/static, the DVD). Try df -i to check your inode usage.
Re: [gentoo-user] [Gentoo install] Disk full at 35%?
On 20 August 2011 18:52, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, It's been quite a few years but I decided to try another Gentoo install (on a VirtualBox instance). I wanted to try out some new things... I created a ton of partitions including /usr (I want to see if I can get that to work), /portage, and /distfiles. The idea was to mount /portage on top of /usr and /distfiles on top of /portage. This all works fine. However, when I try to extract the Portage snapshot, I get No space left on device a long way into the untar process. According to df /portage (i.e. /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage) is only 35% full. In fact, not a single partition or mount is even close to full (except for /mnt/static, the DVD). If I untar directly to /usr (after unmounting /portage), everything works fine. If I then try to copy or move to /portage, I get the No space left on device again. And at the same place. Does anyone know what's going on here? I didn't realize I was doing such strange things. At least not this early on. :-) See if you are out of inodes. The only way to get the inodes that I am aware of is to debugfs to the partition and do stat from within -- if there is a better way please let me know. But why not use lvm? Yes, df -i says /portage is out of inodes. I've never run into that before. I reran mke2fs to increase the inode count and that fixed things. Would LVM somehow prevent these sort of things from happening? LVM doesn't affect inode usage, does it? What exactly are the advantages of LVM? Is it just that it's easier to resize LVM partitions after the fact? (That would, of course, already be very useful.)
Re: [gentoo-user] [Gentoo install] Disk full at 35%?
On 20 August 2011 20:05, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: However, when I try to extract the Portage snapshot, I get No space left on device a long way into the untar process. According to df /portage (i.e. /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage) is only 35% full. In fact, not a single partition or mount is even close to full (except for /mnt/static, the DVD). Try df -i to check your inode usage. Yes, thanks, I had just found out about df -i myself. :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [Gentoo install] Disk full at 35%?
On 08/21/2011 09:00 AM, Hilco Wijbenga wrote: Yes, df -i says /portage is out of inodes. I've never run into that before. I reran mke2fs to increase the inode count and that fixed things. Sorry for the drop in, but I never knew that mke2fs can increase the number of inodes! I think I'll now place the portage tree on an ext2 disk image to speed up things, / has got fragmented badly due to portage tree :-\ Thanks man! -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Do you block outbound ports?
I can feel for 'just-do-whatever-the-damn-auditor-says-so-he-can-stfu' :) I don't really block incoming traffic; instead, I use the TARPIT target (xtables-addons) to make the lifes of portscanners suck ;) Rgds, On 2011-08-21, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat 20 August 2011 10:38:43 Grant did opine thusly: I like the policy of blocking all ports in and out with a firewall and only opening the ones you need. Bittorrent makes that difficult since it connects out to unpredictable ports. Do you block outbound ports with a firewall or only inbound? For the most part only inbound. Blocking outbound is pretty much pointless as a security measure. You cannot control what people will want to connect to outbound. Every time you think you have a complete list, someone will come along and provide you with heaps of reasons as to why their request is legit (and it usually is!) What you can control completely is the services you offer and on what ports, therefore inbound firewalls make sense. That's not to say we don't use outbound firewalls at all, we do - as a policy measure. Outbound port 25 is blocked so that people will use my relays instead. I trust them to play nice, they trust me to keep the service up. For us, this works well. But as a security measure the entire model falls apart as soon as someone with a clue comes along. I have this game I play with our firewall/security people where I get to look smug. Tool of choice? ssh The security benefits from outbound connections to my mind are: warm-and-fuzzy security cover-your-ass security just-do-whatever-the-damn-auditor-says-so-he-can-stfu security i-don't-know-what-i'm-doing security but almost never real security. That's better done with permanent ACLs on the routers. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- -- Pandu E Poluan - IT Optimizer My website: http://pandu.poluan.info/
Re: [gentoo-user] [Gentoo install] Disk full at 35%?
On 20 August 2011 21:21, Nilesh Govindarajan cont...@nileshgr.com wrote: On 08/21/2011 09:00 AM, Hilco Wijbenga wrote: Yes, df -i says /portage is out of inodes. I've never run into that before. I reran mke2fs to increase the inode count and that fixed things. Sorry for the drop in, but I never knew that mke2fs can increase the number of inodes! I think I'll now place the portage tree on an ext2 disk image to speed up things, / has got fragmented badly due to portage tree :-\ Well, for the record, I'm not using ext2 but ext3 (mke2fs -j). Although, now that I think about it, I suppose there's not much point in having the Portage tree on a journaled FS. If you run man mke2fs, you should check out -N and -i. It was trial-and-error (for me, anyway) to find the right number. Presumably, -I fits in there somewhere as well. Do note that it only works when creating the FS, you can't change the inode count dynamically.
