Re: [gentoo-user] getting rid of KDE
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:37:35 -0700, Joseph wrote: It seems you still have kdm in listed in world, try replacing that with something non-kdeish like xdm or something I don't have kdm I unmerged it and replace it by slim The following USE changes are necessary to proceed: #required by kde-base/libkonq-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdepasswd-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdm-4.7.3-r1, required by @selected, required by @world (argument) This clearly states that @world requires kdm. What does grep kde /var/lib/portage/world show? -- Neil Bothwick Code: (n.) a means of concealing bugs favored by programmers. (v.) the process of concealing bugs by programming. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] getting rid of KDE
Joseph wrote: On 12/21/11 02:11, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:54:38PM -0700, Joseph wrote I have a problem getting rid of KDE (those meta package might be easy to install/upgrade but getting rid of them is not easy). When I run emerge -uDNav world I get: =x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2 kde =x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2 kde My USE flags: USE=X gtk -qt4 -kde dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl foomaticdb \ ppds mysql -acl java tiff jpeg png usb udev scanner fam nptl truetype kpathsea type1 opengl tetex -arts hal dbus semantic-desktop It is trying to pull IN some KDE packages as well, I don't know where package is pulling them? Check your /etc/portage/package.use file. Does it have kde flags anywhere in it? If so, you'll need to get rid of them to eradicate kde. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org equery d does not show any package depending on kde, qt3 or qt4 That KDE is is lika a cockroach, it is hard to get rid of it :-/ If I understand what you are doing correctly, you may need to do a emerge -N world first. Let emerge rebuild things that where built with kde USE flag but not needed anymore then go back and use the -t option to see what is left. I think I see what you are doing but not 100% sure. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] getting rid of KDE
On 18:47:32 21/12/2011, Joseph wrote: On 12/21/11 02:11, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:54:38PM -0700, Joseph wrote I have a problem getting rid of KDE (those meta package might be easy to install/upgrade but getting rid of them is not easy). When I run emerge -uDNav world I get: =x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2 kde =x11-libs/qt-webkit-4.7.2 kde My USE flags: USE=X gtk -qt4 -kde dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl foomaticdb \ ppds mysql -acl java tiff jpeg png usb udev scanner fam nptl truetype kpathsea type1 opengl tetex -arts hal dbus semantic-desktop It is trying to pull IN some KDE packages as well, I don't know where package is pulling them? Check your /etc/portage/package.use file. Does it have kde flags anywhere in it? If so, you'll need to get rid of them to eradicate kde. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org equery d does not show any package depending on kde, qt3 or qt4 That KDE is is lika a cockroach, it is hard to get rid of it :-/ Have you checked your profile? Run eselect profile list and make sure you don't have the desktop/kde profile slected. Although I would have thought that the profile would try to pull in a lot more of KDE than you have shown. -- Paul Colquhoun
Re: [gentoo-user] getting rid of KDE
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:54:38PM -0700, Joseph wrote: I have a problem getting rid of KDE (those meta package might be easy to install/upgrade but getting rid of them is not easy). When I run emerge -uDNav world I get: The following USE changes are necessary to proceed: #required by kde-base/libkonq-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdepasswd-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdm-4.7.3-r1, required by @selected, required by @world (argument) =x11-libs/qt-qt3support-4.7.2 kde #required by kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.3-r1[semantic-desktop], required by kde-base/libkonq-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdepasswd-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdm-4.7.3-r1, required by @selected, required by @world (argument) =app-misc/strigi-0.7.6-r1 qt4 #required by kde-base/libkonq-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdepasswd-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdm-4.7.3-r1, required by @selected, required by @world (argument) My USE flags: USE=X gtk -qt4 -kde dvd alsa cdr cups apache2 ssl foomaticdb \ ppds mysql -acl java tiff jpeg png usb udev scanner fam nptl truetype kpathsea type1 opengl tetex -arts hal dbus semantic-desktop It is trying to pull IN some KDE packages as well, I don't know where package is pulling them? -- Joseph I never install K_anything. If an atom has a 'k' in it, I don't go near it. The only way I would do so would be if I had a lot of time to waste and made up a KDE box for the fun of it. It's just a crapload of trouble that I left behind when I made the switch from Windows. I don't want to go back toward that kind of crapware, I want to go in the 'opposite' direction. With my knowledge of the cli improving every day, I'm virtually free of all dependence on a gui at this point, and that's a good place to be, IME. :) I hear talk about using KDE to impress Windows people. If you really want to impress a Windows person, show them a well implemented flux-box. Terry
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On 20.12.2011 18:31, LinuxIsOne wrote: Hi, From where the word gentoo came into existence? Thanks. Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727 -- PGP key @ http://pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de/pks/lookup?search=0xBB9D4887op=get # gpg --recv-keys --keyserver hkp://subkeys.pgp.net 0xBB9D4887 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troeder dan...@admin-box.com wrote: Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727 But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser!
Re: [gentoo-user] getting rid of KDE
On 12/21/11 20:27, Paul Colquhoun wrote: Run eselect profile list and make sure you don't have the desktop/kde profile slected. Although I would have thought that the profile would try to pull in a lot more of KDE than you have shown. -- Paul Colquhoun My profile is: default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop * -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, LinuxIsOne reall...@hmamail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troeder dan...@admin-box.com wrote: Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727 But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser! That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your trusted authorities. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user][SOLVED] getting rid of KDE
On 12/21/11 08:23, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:37:35 -0700, Joseph wrote: It seems you still have kdm in listed in world, try replacing that with something non-kdeish like xdm or something I don't have kdm I unmerged it and replace it by slim The following USE changes are necessary to proceed: #required by kde-base/libkonq-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdepasswd-4.7.3, required by kde-base/kdm-4.7.3-r1, required by @selected, required by @world (argument) This clearly states that @world requires kdm. What does grep kde /var/lib/portage/world show? -- Neil Bothwick Code: (n.) a means of concealing bugs favored by programmers. (v.) the process of concealing bugs by programming. Good pointer. Somehow I managed to screw-up, kdm was still in world file even though not in the system. Removing kdm from world solved the problem. KDE is gone :-) -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your trusted authorities. Oh I see.
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your trusted authorities. And finally there is no security risk in adding cacert.org to the trusted authorities?
[gentoo-user] Graphical issues on intel gfx card
Hi all, I'm having a few problems with my graphics on my gentoo laptop. The laptop is a Sony VPC-Z13 with hybrid graphics but I have it forced to purely use the intel card. When I boot into GDM I have around a 5 second delay where the screen exhibits odd corruption but once loaded all seems fine. I have found that when loading wine applications the same corruption happens whilst they load but once loaded are fine. I have noticed that in Xorg.0.log when the corruption occurs the following is output twice: [ 982.687] (II) intel(0): EDID vendor MS_, prod id 37 [ 982.687] (II) intel(0): Using hsync ranges from config file [ 982.687] (II) intel(0): Using vrefresh ranges from config file [ 982.687] (II) intel(0): Printing DDC gathered Modelines: [ 982.687] (II) intel(0): Modeline 1920x1080x0.0 162.84 1920 1952 1984 2481 1080 1083 1086 1095 -hsync -vsync (65.6 kHz) [ 982.687] (II) intel(0): Modeline 1920x1080x0.0 99.91 1920 1952 1984 2281 1080 1083 1086 1095 -hsync -vsync (43.8 kHz) [ 982.687] (II) intel(0): Modeline 1920x1080x60.0 172.80 1920 2040 2248 2576 1080 1081 1084 1118 -hsync +vsync (67.1 kHz) Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Oliver
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:24 AM, LinuxIsOne reall...@hmamail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your trusted authorities. And finally there is no security risk in adding cacert.org to the trusted authorities? Well, that's up to whether you trust that issuer not to give out certificates to people using falsified credentials, setting up phishing sites, etc. Any time you choose to allow a person outside of yourself to decide who or what you trust, there's some element of risk. That the Gentoo devs trust cacert.org to be their issuer for b.g.o. is enough for me to feel that risk is worth it in my case, but that's as much as I can really say. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's up to whether you trust that issuer not to give out certificates to people using falsified credentials, setting up phishing sites, etc. Any time you choose to allow a person outside of yourself to decide who or what you trust, there's some element of risk. That the Gentoo devs trust cacert.org to be their issuer for b.g.o. is enough for me to feel that risk is worth it in my case, but that's as much as I can really say. I am relatively new, so have not fully understood what you say. What's b.g.o, by the way? And how do I add it in trusted ones?
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:29 AM, LinuxIsOne reall...@hmamail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's up to whether you trust that issuer not to give out certificates to people using falsified credentials, setting up phishing sites, etc. Any time you choose to allow a person outside of yourself to decide who or what you trust, there's some element of risk. That the Gentoo devs trust cacert.org to be their issuer for b.g.o. is enough for me to feel that risk is worth it in my case, but that's as much as I can really say. I am relatively new, so have not fully understood what you say. What's b.g.o, by the way? And how do I add it in trusted ones? An alternative to adding new trust certificates to your machine, consider simply changing the URL when you run into this problem:: Secure: https:// Unsecure but fine for just viewing: http:// HTH, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:59:33 +0530, LinuxIsOne wrote: I am relatively new, so have not fully understood what you say. What's b.g.o, by the way? And how do I add it in trusted ones? bugs.gentoo.org http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/BrowserClients -- Neil Bothwick GOTO: (n.) an efficient and general way of controlling a program, much despised by academics and others whose brains have been ruined by overexposure to Pascal. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: An alternative to adding new trust certificates to your machine, consider simply changing the URL when you run into this problem:: Secure: https:// Unsecure but fine for just viewing: http:// Making http from https in that website still doesn't make it open!
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I am relatively new, so have not fully understood what you say. What's b.g.o, by the way? And how do I add it in trusted ones? bugs.gentoo.org http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/BrowserClients Okay, thanks.
[gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On 12/21/2011 04:59 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM, LinuxIsOnereall...@hmamail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troederdan...@admin-box.com wrote: Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727 But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser! That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your trusted authorities. What sucks is that you can't even get rid of the warnings even if you accept and add the cert to Firefox. Every time you click on an attachment in a bug, you get presented with a warning dialog again, and again, and again, and again, until you get mad and start shooting bunnies. That's because the domain changes with attachments (for some reason, b.g.o. uses subdomains instead of URLs to link to attachments.) So it's either add cacert.org to your trusted authorities, or live in hell when browsing b.g.o. IMO that's just stupid. I want to trust just b.g.o, not every site out there that has a cacert certificate. Stupid. Just stupid.
[gentoo-user] Which log file do all the emerge messages get saved in?
Evening, all. The messages which stream by during an emerge, in particular the warnings etc. which are repeated at the end of a single emerge operation. They're accumulated in a log file somewhere, aren't they? I can't find this file anymore. I've looked in /var/log, /var/lib/portage, but find nothing. Would some kind soul please identify this log file for me. Thanks! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
Re: [gentoo-user] Which log file do all the emerge messages get saved in?
On Wednesday 21 Dec 2011 17:48:00 Alan Mackenzie wrote: Evening, all. The messages which stream by during an emerge, in particular the warnings etc. which are repeated at the end of a single emerge operation. They're accumulated in a log file somewhere, aren't they? I can't find this file anymore. I've looked in /var/log, /var/lib/portage, but find nothing. Would some kind soul please identify this log file for me. Thanks! /var/log/portage/elog/summary.log :) -- - Yohan Pereira A man can do as he will, but not will as he will - Schopenhauer
Re: [gentoo-user] Allow non root users to edit files owned by root?
Am 21.12.2011 06:55, schrieb Walter Dnes: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:51:11AM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote On 2011-12-20 10:13 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: So, incidentally, would 'sudo passwd root'... Ouch... any way to avoid that? I guess the best way would be to simply give them access to the commands they need... I'll look into that... Howsabout in sudoers giving them the right to execute 2 commands... cat /etc/whatever scratchfile (this one may not be necessary) cat scratchfile /etc/whatever That doesn't work because redirection is not done by the sudoed process but by the calling shell. You need to do something like this: /bin/sh -c 'cat scratchfile /etc/whatever' The first command copies the contents of the file to whatever directory the user is in. He can work on the copy using his regular privileges. Note that I'm assuming the user does not have read privileges on the file. If he does have read privileges, then the first command does not require sudoers. At the last step, he can send the finished copy back to the original file. The sequence the user will have to follow is, logged in as regular user... 1a) If he does *NOT* have read prileges to /etc/whatever touch scratchfile sudo cat /etc/whatever scratchfile 1b) If he *DOES* have read prileges to /etc/whatever cp /etc/whatever scratchfile 2) edit scratchfile *LOCALLY* with his favourite editor. No need to worry about restricting an editor. 3) sudo cat scratchfile /etc/whatever I just double checked my assumption that sudoedit uses $EDITOR with root access. While the man page doesn't state it, it seems that the editor is called with normal user rights and sudo handles exactly the same sequence you outlined above (using a temporary file owned by $user:$user, chmod 0600). Therefore it seems you can safely use a normal editor with sudoedit. Sorry for the confusion. Note the use of cat, rather than cp, when using sudo. cp will copy the file attributes, including the fact that it's owned by the user doing the copying, e.g. sudo (as root) copies the file and it's owned by root (oops). Ditto for cat when redirected *TO A NEW FILE*. touch guarantees that the file will exist, and get overwritten by the content of /etc/whatever, but still retaining the fact that it's owned by the local user. I think you can get the same result with `cp --no-preserve=all` but probably with higher performance (not that is makes a difference with config files). If local user has read access to /etc/whatever, that makes things easier. When he does cp as local user, the resulting file is owned by hin. Edit at liesure, and send the result back with cat. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using libreoffice 3.5.0.0 yet?
Hello! So how can I install LibreOffice 3.5 to test it? Portage does not suggest me an update to 3.5 version any more. Thanks. Vladimir - v...@ukr.net
[gentoo-user] switching production server from myswl to postgresql
Hi all, Ok, this has been on my ToDo list for a while, and I'm thinking of tacking this over the holidays, since the office will be much slower than usual. The only databases I have in use are for my mail server, which means postfix, courier-imap (soon to be dovecot 2.1 once it is released) and postfixadmin for maintaining the database. First question - I can run both mysql and postgresql at the same time, right? I haven't found anything saying I can't, and mysql doesn't seem to 'block' installing postgresql, so I'm guessing I can. Second question - has anyone ever converted an existing production mysql database to postgresql? If you have ever done this specifically for postfixadmin, I'd love to chat for a few minutes, but pointers to recent, accurate docs - even generically (not specifically for postfixadmin) for doing this would be appreciated. Thanks, Charles
Re: [gentoo-user] switching production server from myswl to postgresql
Tanstaafl wrote: Hi all, Ok, this has been on my ToDo list for a while, and I'm thinking of tacking this over the holidays, since the office will be much slower than usual. The only databases I have in use are for my mail server, which means postfix, courier-imap (soon to be dovecot 2.1 once it is released) and postfixadmin for maintaining the database. First question - I can run both mysql and postgresql at the same time, right? I haven't found anything saying I can't, and mysql doesn't seem to 'block' installing postgresql, so I'm guessing I can. Sure; they're different SQL engines. SQL isn't a standardized service that you'd expect to find at a particular location or port. They are, however, not entirely compatible. The SQL spec is unfortunately vague, and even where it's relatively clear, popular engines have idiosyncrasies that can result in application written for one not quite working with another. Second question - has anyone ever converted an existing production mysql database to postgresql? If you have ever done this specifically for postfixadmin, I'd love to chat for a few minutes, but pointers to recent, accurate docs - even generically (not specifically for postfixadmin) for doing this would be appreciated. This is going to almost entirely depend on the application you want to switch from being backed by mysql to postgresql. I'm not even sure 'mysqldump' has an export mode that can be easily massaged to be an import mode for postgresql. That said, the #postgresql IRC channel on FreeNode is one of the nicest IRC channel's I've interacted with.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using libreoffice 3.5.0.0 yet?
v...@ukr.net wrote: Hello! So how can I install LibreOffice 3.5 to test it? Portage does not suggest me an update to 3.5 version any more. Thanks. Vladimir - v...@ukr.net It's keyworded: [-P-] [ -] app-office/libreoffice-3.5. Since it is still a ebuild, I would wait a bit. It is in some initial testing at the moment and it may be best to let it at least get out of the testing. If you really want to try it, this should do the trick echo =app-office/libreoffice-3.5. /etc/portage/package.keywords/package.keywords Then: emerge -u libreoffice Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
For what it's worth (possibly nothing), from Wikipedia:
The application of *Gentoo* to the penguin is unclear, according to
the *OEDhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OED
*, which reports that *Gentoo* was an Anglo-Indian term, used as early as
1638 to distinguish Hindus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu in India
from Muslims, the English term originating in Portuguese *gentio* (compare
gentile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile); in the twentieth century
the term came to be regarded as
derogatoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derogatory
.
This needs to be followed up. One interesting publication would be
@article{calaby1999european,
title={The European Discovery and Scientific Description of
Australian Birds.},
author={Calaby, JH},
journal={Historical Records of Australian Science},
volume={12},
number={3},
pages={313--329},
year={1999},
publisher={CSIRO}
}
to which I do not have access. However, this investigation is not
over. The scientific name of the Gentoo Penguin is *Pygoscelis papua.
It should not be difficult to find the original description?*
Alan Davis
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:
On 12/21/2011 04:59 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM,
LinuxIsOnereallife@hmamail.**comreall...@hmamail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troederdan...@admin-box.com
wrote:
Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=27727https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727
But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser!
That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by
default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate
throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your
trusted authorities.
What sucks is that you can't even get rid of the warnings even if you
accept and add the cert to Firefox. Every time you click on an attachment
in a bug, you get presented with a warning dialog again, and again, and
again, and again, until you get mad and start shooting bunnies. That's
because the domain changes with attachments (for some reason, b.g.o. uses
subdomains instead of URLs to link to attachments.)
So it's either add cacert.org to your trusted authorities, or live in
hell when browsing b.g.o. IMO that's just stupid. I want to trust just
b.g.o, not every site out there that has a cacert certificate. Stupid.
Just stupid.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
Actually, the full nomenclatural information is:
*Pygoscelis papua* (J.R.
Forsterhttp://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/J.R._Forster,
1781). So there is a publication by J. R. Forster in 1781, describing this
penguin.
Alan
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth (possibly nothing), from Wikipedia:
The application of *Gentoo* to the penguin is unclear, according to the *
OED http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OED*, which reports that *Gentoo* was
an Anglo-Indian term, used as early as 1638 to distinguish
Hindushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduin India from Muslims, the English
term originating in Portuguese
*gentio* (compare gentile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile); in
the twentieth century the term came to be regarded as
derogatoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derogatory
.
This needs to be followed up. One interesting publication would be
@article{calaby1999european,
title={The European Discovery and Scientific Description of Australian
Birds.},
author={Calaby, JH},
journal={Historical Records of Australian Science},
volume={12},
number={3},
pages={313--329},
year={1999},
publisher={CSIRO}
}
to which I do not have access. However, this investigation is not over. The
scientific name of the Gentoo Penguin is *Pygoscelis papua. It should not be
difficult to find the original description?*
Alan Davis
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.dewrote:
On 12/21/2011 04:59 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM,
LinuxIsOnereallife@hmamail.**comreall...@hmamail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troederdan...@admin-box.com
wrote:
Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=27727https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727
But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser!
That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by
default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate
throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your
trusted authorities.
What sucks is that you can't even get rid of the warnings even if you
accept and add the cert to Firefox. Every time you click on an attachment
in a bug, you get presented with a warning dialog again, and again, and
again, and again, until you get mad and start shooting bunnies. That's
because the domain changes with attachments (for some reason, b.g.o. uses
subdomains instead of URLs to link to attachments.)
So it's either add cacert.org to your trusted authorities, or live in
hell when browsing b.g.o. IMO that's just stupid. I want to trust just
b.g.o, not every site out there that has a cacert certificate. Stupid.
Just stupid.
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:06:12 +0100 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: onomatopoeia gentoo linux in named after gentoo penguins. Those are small and fast. They are named after the sound they make if you bring one to Tour d'Argent and put it into the duck press. Cape Town prostitutes are known locally as gentoos Seriously. :-) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
Furthermore, the following publication is at least close enough to start
on. I don't have access today.
@article{forster1781natural,
title={Natural History and Description of the Tyger-Cat of the Cape
of Good Hope. By John Reinhold Forster, LL. DFR and AS},
author={Forster, J.R.},
journal={Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London},
volume={71},
pages={1--6},
year={1781},
publisher={JSTOR}
}
Alan
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, the full nomenclatural information is:
*Pygoscelis papua* (J.R.
Forsterhttp://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/J.R._Forster,
1781). So there is a publication by J. R. Forster in 1781, describing this
penguin.
Alan
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth (possibly nothing), from Wikipedia:
The application of *Gentoo* to the penguin is unclear, according to the *
OED http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OED*, which reports that *Gentoo* was
an Anglo-Indian term, used as early as 1638 to distinguish
Hindushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduin India from Muslims, the English
term originating in Portuguese
*gentio* (compare gentile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentile); in
the twentieth century the term came to be regarded as
derogatoryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derogatory
.
This needs to be followed up. One interesting publication would be
@article{calaby1999european,
title={The European Discovery and Scientific Description of Australian
Birds.},
author={Calaby, JH},
journal={Historical Records of Australian Science},
volume={12},
number={3},
pages={313--329},
year={1999},
publisher={CSIRO}
}
to which I do not have access. However, this investigation is not over.
The scientific name of the Gentoo Penguin is *Pygoscelis papua. It should
not be difficult to find the original description?*
Alan Davis
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.dewrote:
On 12/21/2011 04:59 PM, Joshua Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:32 AM,
LinuxIsOnereallife@hmamail.**comreall...@hmamail.com
wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troederdan...@admin-box.com
wrote:
Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_**bug.cgi?id=27727https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727
But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser!
That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by
default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate
throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your
trusted authorities.
What sucks is that you can't even get rid of the warnings even if you
accept and add the cert to Firefox. Every time you click on an attachment
in a bug, you get presented with a warning dialog again, and again, and
again, and again, until you get mad and start shooting bunnies. That's
because the domain changes with attachments (for some reason, b.g.o. uses
subdomains instead of URLs to link to attachments.)
So it's either add cacert.org to your trusted authorities, or live in
hell when browsing b.g.o. IMO that's just stupid. I want to trust just
b.g.o, not every site out there that has a cacert certificate. Stupid.
Just stupid.
Re: [gentoo-user] Anyone using libreoffice 3.5.0.0 yet?
Am Mittwoch, den 21.12.2011, 21:57 +0200 schrieb v...@ukr.net: Hello! So how can I install LibreOffice 3.5 to test it? Portage does not suggest me an update to 3.5 version any more. Thanks. Vladimir If you want to go deeper into testing, you may be interested to join the bughunting session on 28th and 29th December. See http://wp.me/p1byPE-cX for the details. Regards, signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[gentoo-user] Jabber server recommendation
At the risk of starting a religious war, I'd like to ask for a recommendation for a Jabber server. I just tried to install ejabberd, only to find out that it's written in erklang and that seems to crash on my system. I'd like a native C/C++ implementation. That leaves Jabber and jabber2. Is there any reason to pick one over the other? Are there other choices I should look at? TIA, -- Take care and have fun, Mike Diehl.
Re: [gentoo-user] Jabber server recommendation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 12/22/11 05:39, Mike Diehl wrote: At the risk of starting a religious war, I'd like to ask for a recommendation for a Jabber server. I just tried to install ejabberd, only to find out that it's written in erklang and that seems to crash on my system. I'd like a native C/C++ implementation. That leaves Jabber and jabber2. Is there any reason to pick one over the other? Are there other choices I should look at? TIA, Take a look at prosody. Regards, Norman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO8soEAAoJEMCA6frkLT6zLzMH/1s2A+ZkH/286thvlc8xmCdY JDoe59vj4162MHQ0TeS64GrrnR9k/fNVRE3OE6Uq0Q9N8KCVmhdW3iv4WM5sJVMe DvpT+9E2cDgzEA89mcdwtT7eU2bM4jhCD1H0Wa7eDoynSGtCWDeunH/DjaR3y1w0 IkMngqvJysl6BHg1J6CCoYRDl+bycSqtH6AcwmAN/0avTawYuW9TGC13nJ9c34kH TvefpgRYRr85UAK7j63BjR9XRbxBqn3iYDsrCNJIg6EgekDNgQlaiH0TRJZNvCr3 EIwGKsHsbbCOpB+tqBf574O7fZPkMxvCVUxR4vZHCHzJz8CF1a7o0PwU2DtdC9c= =WNCZ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-user] GDM kbd/mouse lockup after emerge --update on a stable amd64 platform - need hints to cure
I did: emerge -va --update --deep --newuse @world on a stable gentoo amd64 (multilib) system after switching the profile from desktop/gnome to desktop and adding qt4 and kde flags to make.conf. [I wan to add a few kde apps to the mix, but not everything.] Since then, I get a keyboard and mouse lockup when gdm starts. and can't login graphically or switch to a text console. I'd rather not do a complete re-install on that instance, so some clue as to where to look for problems beyond the obvious dmesg and boot info. I do get a dmeventd failure to start, so lvm-monitoring fails to start (even after a re-emerge of lvm2) but don't think that as anything to do with the X lockup. Startx from single user mode also causes a kbd/mouse lockup. I've verified that the kernel has the proper event configuration. Perusing the Xorg.0.log reveals evdev failing to load: [ 410.507] (II) LoadModule: evdev [ 410.507] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so [ 410.513] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation [ 410.513]compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.6.0 [ 410.513]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 410.513]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2 [ 410.513] (EE) module ABI major version (12) doesn't match the server's version (13) [ 410.513] (II) UnloadModule: evdev [ 410.513] (II) Unloading evdev [ 410.513] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) [ 410.513] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' [ 410.513] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event1) [ 410.513] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall [ 410.513] (II) LoadModule: evdev [ 410.513] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so [ 410.513] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation [ 410.513]compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.6.0 [ 410.513]Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 410.513]ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2 [ 410.513] (EE) module ABI major version (12) doesn't match the server's version (13) [ 410.513] (II) UnloadModule: evdev [ 410.513] (II) Unloading evdev [ 410.513] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) [ 410.513] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' [ 410.514] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Sleep Button (/dev/input/event0) which tell me something went wrong in the re-emerge of xorg something, but I'd like to get a clue as to just what to do to fix it. Thanks in advance for any help. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury aka redwo...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth (possibly nothing), from Wikipedia:
The application of Gentoo to the penguin is unclear, according to the OED,
which reports that Gentoo was an Anglo-Indian term, used as early as 1638 to
distinguish Hindus in India from Muslims, the English term originating in
Portuguese gentio (compare gentile); in the twentieth century the term
came to be regarded as derogatory.
This needs to be followed up. One interesting publication would be
@article{calaby1999european,
title={The European Discovery and Scientific Description of Australian
Birds.},
author={Calaby, JH},
journal={Historical Records of Australian Science},
volume={12},
number={3},
pages={313--329},
year={1999},
publisher={CSIRO}
}
to which I do not have access. However, this investigation is not over.
The scientific name of the Gentoo Penguin is Pygoscelis papua. It should not
be difficult to find the original description?
Nice Davis!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: So it's either add cacert.org to your trusted authorities, or live in hell when browsing b.g.o. IMO that's just stupid. I want to trust just b.g.o, not every site out there that has a cacert certificate. Okay so how do I add only b.g.o of the cacert.org and not others? Can you tell me the step by step process?
Re: [gentoo-user] GDM kbd/mouse lockup after emerge --update on a stable amd64 platform - need hints to cure
Reemerge all xf86* packages Quite obvious as the log clearly gives the clue (new xorg server version, driver version mismatch) t G.Wolfe Woodbury redwo...@gmail.com wrote: I did: emerge -va --update --deep --newuse @world on a stable gentoo amd64 (multilib) system after switching the profile from desktop/gnome to desktop and adding qt4 and kde flags to make.conf. [I wan to add a few kde apps to the mix, but not everything.] Since then, I get a keyboard and mouse lockup when gdm starts. and can't login graphically or switch to a text console. I'd rather not do a complete re-install on that instance, so some clue as to where to look for problems beyond the obvious dmesg and boot info. I do get a dmeventd failure to start, so lvm-monitoring fails to start (even after a re-emerge of lvm2) but don't think that as anything to do with the X lockup. Startx from single user mode also causes a kbd/mouse lockup. I've verified that the kernel has the proper event configuration. Perusing the Xorg.0.log reveals evdev failing to load: [ 410.507] (II) LoadModule: evdev [ 410.507] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so [ 410.513] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation [ 410.513] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.6.0 [ 410.513] Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 410.513] ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2 [ 410.513] (EE) module ABI major version (12) doesn't match the server's version (13) [ 410.513] (II) UnloadModule: evdev [ 410.513] (II) Unloading evdev [ 410.513] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) [ 410.513] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' [ 410.513] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Power Button (/dev/input/event1) [ 410.513] (**) Power Button: Applying InputClass evdev keyboard catchall [ 410.513] (II) LoadModule: evdev [ 410.513] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/input/evdev_drv.so [ 410.513] (II) Module evdev: vendor=X.Org Foundation [ 410.513] compiled for 1.10.4, module version = 2.6.0 [ 410.513] Module class: X.Org XInput Driver [ 410.513] ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 12.2 [ 410.513] (EE) module ABI major version (12) doesn't match the server's version (13) [ 410.513] (II) UnloadModule: evdev [ 410.513] (II) Unloading evdev [ 410.513] (EE) Failed to load module evdev (module requirement mismatch, 0) [ 410.513] (EE) No input driver matching `evdev' [ 410.514] (II) config/udev: Adding input device Sleep Button (/dev/input/event0) which tell me something went wrong in the re-emerge of xorg something, but I'd like to get a clue as to just what to do to fix it. Thanks in advance for any help. -- G.Wolfe Woodbury aka redwo...@gmail.com
