Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Raffaele BELARDI
On 09/18/2012 11:03 PM, Dale wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:53:53 -0500
 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I moved in with my GF, her electric bill shoot up to the roof (I
 brought my 46 LCD TV, PlayStation 3, and in total 5 computers and
 other electronics). After a couple of months of shock of seeing the
 electric bills, we started to do this kind of stuff
 (suspending/hibernating our machines, using CFL instead of normal
 light bulbs, etc.), and we cut the spending almost in four.
 Apartment living maybe?

 I have 1 XBox, 2 Wii's, 40 LED TV, 22 LED monitor, 16 LCD monitor, an
 xbmc frontend, 2 el-cheap android tablets permanently plugged in, 1
 desktop, 2 HP microservers and 3 laptops running almost 24/7. And about
 10 incandescent bulbs all evening, 2 neons and umpteen CFLs.

 It's a lot of power, sure.

 And all quite insignificant when compared to what the swimming pool
 pump uses..

 All a matter of perspective I suppose :-)

 
 
 My biggest expenses, refrigeration and heating/cooling.  I have a large
 fridge, two deep freezers, two window A/C's for summer and a large
 heater for the winter.  Compare any of those to my computer, the
 computer is a rounding error.  My main rig, monitor, router, DSL modem
 and printer pulls about 150 watts at most.  At most would be while it is
 compiling or something.  When idle, ~100 watts.  I figured it up once
 and I think it costs about $12.00 a month to run.  Heck, when I have a
 $200.00 power bill, rounding error comes to mind.  Heck, taxes and fees
 on the power bill is more than my puter uses.  I would much rather fuss
 about the taxes than my puter.  I use my puter.  lol
 
 I think you hit it pretty good tho Alan.  It's perspective. 
 

It's not only about power bill costs. Oil and gas are limited resources
and we're not leaving much to the next generations. Yes, it's a matter
of perspective :-)

raf


Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Dale
Raffaele BELARDI wrote:
 On 09/18/2012 11:03 PM, Dale wrote:
 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:53:53 -0500
 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:

 When I moved in with my GF, her electric bill shoot up to the roof (I
 brought my 46 LCD TV, PlayStation 3, and in total 5 computers and
 other electronics). After a couple of months of shock of seeing the
 electric bills, we started to do this kind of stuff
 (suspending/hibernating our machines, using CFL instead of normal
 light bulbs, etc.), and we cut the spending almost in four.
 Apartment living maybe?

 I have 1 XBox, 2 Wii's, 40 LED TV, 22 LED monitor, 16 LCD monitor, an
 xbmc frontend, 2 el-cheap android tablets permanently plugged in, 1
 desktop, 2 HP microservers and 3 laptops running almost 24/7. And about
 10 incandescent bulbs all evening, 2 neons and umpteen CFLs.

 It's a lot of power, sure.

 And all quite insignificant when compared to what the swimming pool
 pump uses..

 All a matter of perspective I suppose :-)


 My biggest expenses, refrigeration and heating/cooling.  I have a large
 fridge, two deep freezers, two window A/C's for summer and a large
 heater for the winter.  Compare any of those to my computer, the
 computer is a rounding error.  My main rig, monitor, router, DSL modem
 and printer pulls about 150 watts at most.  At most would be while it is
 compiling or something.  When idle, ~100 watts.  I figured it up once
 and I think it costs about $12.00 a month to run.  Heck, when I have a
 $200.00 power bill, rounding error comes to mind.  Heck, taxes and fees
 on the power bill is more than my puter uses.  I would much rather fuss
 about the taxes than my puter.  I use my puter.  lol

 I think you hit it pretty good tho Alan.  It's perspective. 

 It's not only about power bill costs. Oil and gas are limited resources
 and we're not leaving much to the next generations. Yes, it's a matter
 of perspective :-)

 raf


And every day I hear about them finding more oil and gas that they
didn't know was there before.  Everything is a limited resource
including sunlight.  If we are going to live thinking the end is
tomorrow, then we are not going to have a life worth living. 

Reminds me of a quote I heard a little while ago.  'We shouldn't eat to
live, we should live to eat.'  It was something like that.  I think I
got it right since I didn't exactly write it down.  They were talking
about food but still.  If you live, you have to use something. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : suddenly Python 3 appears

2012-09-19 Thread Marc Joliet
Am Mon, 17 Sep 2012 17:08:38 -0400
schrieb Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net:

[...]
 The one limitation of the script is that it doesn't allow variables ;
 you can easily recall previous lines via Bash  mouseover+drop bits,
 but AFAIK there's no way to assign values to variables.
 With Python running as interpreter, I would get much more capability,
 but I would need to enter the special line to load the math functions :
 is it possible to do it with some capitalised variable in  .bashrc ,
 which might list parameters telling Python3 what to load when it starts ?
 one of the 'man' files seems to refer to something like that, but briefly.

OK, do I understand correctly, you want an interactive session so you can use
temporary variables? I can think of two ways of doing that. From looking at the
python man page, I also found a third possibility not involving extra software.

1.) The poor man's version if you want to do this in bash/dash uses command
substitution:

  $ bla=$(python3 test.py 3+3)
  $ echo $bla
  $   6
  $ python3 test.py $bla*2
   12

2.) The full blown interactive solution: IPython. You can create a session and
configure which modules you want preloaded via startup scripts. This is
overkill for what you want, I think, but IPython is a much nicer interactive
Python interpreter than python itself. For instance, you can reuse previous
outputs, e.g. Out[2], to get the output from the third command you entered
(indexing starts at 0). Inputs can be similarly recalled by referencing
In[i].

3.) Put the import line in its own file and put it in the variable
PYTHONSTARTUP, e.g. export PYTHONSTARTUP=/path/to/my/script.py. Python
executes it's contents before presenting the prompt, so you can put whatever
imports you want in that script. It's simple, and if the python interpreter is
enough for you, then I'd go with this.

There are probably more possibilities, but this is what I can think of right
now.

HTH

-- 
Marc Joliet
--
People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't - Bjarne Stroustrup


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 01:23:54 Dale wrote:

 96 watts for standby is excessive for sure.  What the heck is that
 thing doing with all that power?  O_O

In a word: wasting it!

I think it must be a class-A amplifier, or whatever the modern equivalent 
is.

-- 
Rgds
Peter



Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Wednesday 19 September 2012 01:23:54 Dale wrote:

 96 watts for standby is excessive for sure.  What the heck is that
 thing doing with all that power?  O_O
 In a word: wasting it!

 I think it must be a class-A amplifier, or whatever the modern equivalent 
 is.



I bet it is what we used to call a class AB amp.  A class A amp pulls
the same amount of power regardless of whether there is any sound but
has very little distortion.  A class B amp pulls only what is getting
pushed to the speakers, less the drivers of course.  Class B amps have a
lot of distortion at low sound levels, that wasn't to good.  So, someone
came up with a cross between the two and got rid of the distortion but
saved power at the same time.  Most sound amps are Class AB but where in
that cross depends on the maker.  If you are really interested, here is
a linky. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_amplifier#Class_B_and_AB

I have built a few of these things.  Getting that cross point can be
fun.  To much, smoke.  To little, sounds like crap.  lol

96 watts on standby.  That doesn't sound like standing by as much as it
is ready to make noise.  lol  Is it old or new?  I can see a few watts
even maybe 20 watts or so but almost 100 watts on standby.  :/ 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-19 Thread Dale
Dale wrote:
 Howdy,

 Newegg just had a sale on a really nice UPS.  I got one.  Anyway, it has
 both serial and USB connections.  I have a question about these.  I
 could use either one but not sure if it matters.  Does the USB
 connection offer any additional features over the serial connection?  I
 could use USB but would rather use serial since nothing else I have is
 serial but I have a bit of USB devices.  Also, I never disconnect the
 serial cable from either the system or the UPS when either is in use. 
 Sort of defeats the purpose I guess.  Since it also has screws to make
 sure the serial cable doesn't come undone, the serial has one
 advantage.  I'm not sure what would happen if it looses the connection
 all of a sudden.  Does it do like NORAD and assume power is out?  lol 

 So, since I already have everything set up for serial connections,
 should I just keep using it or does the USB have more goodies? 

 Thanks.

 Dale

 :-)  :-) 


 P. S.  Crap, there goes my uptime again.  :-@ 


OK.  I finally bit the bullet and did a shutdown.  I *had* over 30 days
of uptime too.  Gr !!

Anyway, when I connected it to the serial port, it would rather rudely
cut off my puter after a couple minutes.  Click, off.  So, I hooked up
the USB cable so that I could get back to going again.  I'm going to
have to google on how to get this to work with the serial cable.  I
found the settings for USB but nothing for this driver and a serial
connection. 

This is the info I get from the UPS with a USB connection for those
interested. 

root@fireball / # upsc ups
battery.charge: 100
battery.charge.low: 10
battery.charge.warning: 20
battery.mfr.date: CPS
battery.runtime: 2100
battery.runtime.low: 300
battery.type: PbAcid
battery.voltage: 13.9
battery.voltage.nominal: 12
device.mfr: CPS
device.model:  CP 1350C
device.type: ups
driver.name: usbhid-ups
driver.parameter.pollfreq: 30
driver.parameter.pollinterval: 2
driver.parameter.port: auto
driver.parameter.productid: 0501
driver.parameter.vendorid: 0764
driver.version: 2.6.3
driver.version.data: CyberPower HID 0.3
driver.version.internal: 0.35
input.transfer.high: 140
input.transfer.low: 90
input.voltage: 124.0
input.voltage.nominal: 120
output.voltage: 124.0
ups.beeper.status: enabled
ups.delay.shutdown: 20
ups.delay.start: 30
ups.load: 16
ups.mfr: CPS
ups.model:  CP 1350C
ups.productid: 0501
ups.realpower.nominal: 298
ups.status: OL
ups.test.result: Done and passed
ups.timer.shutdown: -60
ups.timer.start: 0
ups.vendorid: 0764
root@fireball / #

I got to make some changes tho.  When it cut me off, it did NOT do a
clean shutdown.  It just cut off.  That ain't going to work for me.  o_O

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : mail problem : solved

2012-09-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:18:45 -0400
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:

 RTFM : front + centre it says to try 'fetchmail -vvv --nodetach
 --nosyslog'. That immediately told me the very non-obvious but
 crucial information :  ~/.fetchmail must have no more permissions
 than 700.  Whyever ?

That's quite normal actually. The file might contain passwords and you
don't want every joker on the system reading them.

It *really* should have printed that warning to the console though.

-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 23:57:17 +0100
Peter Humphrey pe...@humphrey.ukfsn.org wrote:

 I have an audio amplifier downstairs that consumes 96W on standby.
 Now that _is_ excessive. Keeps that corner of the room warm though.

Holy sweet mother of god. 96W???

What you got in that thing? Thermionic tubes (aka valves)?


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 10:28:44 Dale wrote:

 I bet it is what we used to call a class AB amp.

I bet you're right, now that you remind me of what I used to know.

 96 watts on standby.  That doesn't sound like standing by as much as
 it is ready to make noise.  lol  Is it old or new?  I can see a few
 watts even maybe 20 watts or so but almost 100 watts on standby.  :/

It does make a nice little background space heater.

It's a Linn Kinos controller and Chakra power amplifier, about 7 years 
old. In fact the Kinos was so new that I was offered a pre-production 
model.

-- 
Rgds
Peter



Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wednesday 19 September 2012 12:45:42 Alan McKinnon wrote:

 Holy sweet mother of god. 96W???
 
 What you got in that thing? Thermionic tubes (aka valves)?

I was surprised too, so I took care to ensure I was only measuring that 
beast, and not something else in the house as well.

-- 
Rgds
Peter



Re: [gentoo-user] MTP auto-mount? (Kindle Fire HD)

2012-09-19 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:54:44 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:

 Anyway, it's all usable but a bit clumsy. Is there a sensible way I
  can have the device recognized and mounted via rules in fstab? (Or any
  other fixed file?)  
 
 You could have your udev rule RUN mtpfs to mount the device. It takes a
 few seconds to mount it, so I'd run it with .

I've had a play with this and got it working for my Nexus7. The udev rule
has to go in a high-numbered file, because libmtp adds its own rules

% cat /etc/udev/rules.d/99-android-mtp.rules
ATTR{idVendor}==18d1, ATTR{idProduct}==4e42, 
RUN=/home/nelz/bin/mountnexus.sh 


% cat /home/nelz/bin/mountnexus.sh   
#!/bin/sh
logger Nexus connected
mkdir -p /media/nexus7
jmtpfs -o allow_other /media/nexus7
logger Nexus mounted

You need to enable allow_other in /etc/fuse.conf.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Oops. My brain just hit a bad sector.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 01:51:49 schrieb Dale:
 Raffaele BELARDI wrote:
  On 09/18/2012 11:03 PM, Dale wrote:
  Alan McKinnon wrote:
  On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:53:53 -0500
  
  Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote:
  When I moved in with my GF, her electric bill shoot up to the roof (I
  brought my 46 LCD TV, PlayStation 3, and in total 5 computers and
  other electronics). After a couple of months of shock of seeing the
  electric bills, we started to do this kind of stuff
  (suspending/hibernating our machines, using CFL instead of normal
  light bulbs, etc.), and we cut the spending almost in four.
  
  Apartment living maybe?
  
  I have 1 XBox, 2 Wii's, 40 LED TV, 22 LED monitor, 16 LCD monitor, an
  xbmc frontend, 2 el-cheap android tablets permanently plugged in, 1
  desktop, 2 HP microservers and 3 laptops running almost 24/7. And about
  10 incandescent bulbs all evening, 2 neons and umpteen CFLs.
  
  It's a lot of power, sure.
  
  And all quite insignificant when compared to what the swimming pool
  pump uses..
  
  All a matter of perspective I suppose :-)
  
  My biggest expenses, refrigeration and heating/cooling.  I have a large
  fridge, two deep freezers, two window A/C's for summer and a large
  heater for the winter.  Compare any of those to my computer, the
  computer is a rounding error.  My main rig, monitor, router, DSL modem
  and printer pulls about 150 watts at most.  At most would be while it is
  compiling or something.  When idle, ~100 watts.  I figured it up once
  and I think it costs about $12.00 a month to run.  Heck, when I have a
  $200.00 power bill, rounding error comes to mind.  Heck, taxes and fees
  on the power bill is more than my puter uses.  I would much rather fuss
  about the taxes than my puter.  I use my puter.  lol
  
  I think you hit it pretty good tho Alan.  It's perspective.
  
  It's not only about power bill costs. Oil and gas are limited resources
  and we're not leaving much to the next generations. Yes, it's a matter
  of perspective :-)
  
  raf
 
 And every day I hear about them finding more oil and gas that they
 didn't know was there before. 


I am sure everybody would love to hear about those findings. Especially the 
CEO's of BP, Shell etc.

Fact is, we are running out. The stuff that is found is either very hard to get 
- or not very much. Oh, and very little to start with. Consider current 
consumption.

 Everything is a limited resource
 including sunlight.  If we are going to live thinking the end is
 tomorrow, then we are not going to have a life worth living.

then turn off your computer. Have everything constantly on IS living like there 
is no tomorrow. If you want a tomorrow, start energy saving a bit.

 
 Reminds me of a quote I heard a little while ago.  'We shouldn't eat to
 live, we should live to eat.'  It was something like that.  I think I
 got it right since I didn't exactly write it down.  They were talking
 about food but still.  If you live, you have to use something.

and because of some stupid, unrelated quote it is ok to be wasteful?

You love quotes? Here is one:

Waste not, want not.

-- 
#163933



[gentoo-user] Re: sshfs - cannot unmount as normal user

2012-09-19 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 13/09/12 14:37, Helmut Jarausch wrote:


Since a short time I have a critical problem with sshfs.
I cannot unmount it !


I filed a bug now:

  https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435540

Everyone who's affected should feel free to confirm there.




Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Dale
Peter Humphrey wrote:
 On Wednesday 19 September 2012 10:28:44 Dale wrote:

 I bet it is what we used to call a class AB amp.
 I bet you're right, now that you remind me of what I used to know.

I don't know its power output but I bet it sounds good at low sound
levels.  On the class AB scale, it is more into class A than most. 


 96 watts on standby.  That doesn't sound like standing by as much as
 it is ready to make noise.  lol  Is it old or new?  I can see a few
 watts even maybe 20 watts or so but almost 100 watts on standby.  :/
 It does make a nice little background space heater.

 It's a Linn Kinos controller and Chakra power amplifier, about 7 years 
 old. In fact the Kinos was so new that I was offered a pre-production 
 model.


I'm going to have to google on those.  I have not heard of those.  Way
back when, I used to love the sound of a Sansui amp.  They were DC
coupled from right after the RCA input all the way to the speaker.  The
bass response was . . . awesome.  The downside, if one transistor went
out, it took them all and it was not good for the woofer either.  One
output would always be stronger than the other and the woofer would
either get a full positive power supply DC voltage or the negative
side.  Makes for a good thump tho.  Sounds like a serial/parallel chip
doesn't it?  lol 

Anyone remember the pulse width modulation amps that were tried? 

http://www.bcae1.com/ampclass.htm

I actually heard one of those in a showroom.  I can't recall the brand
but it was driving a pair of Bose 901's and it was neat.  The amps were
driving several hundred watts a channel with very little heat. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] Re: sshfs - cannot unmount as normal user

2012-09-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 13/09/12 14:37, Helmut Jarausch wrote:


 Since a short time I have a critical problem with sshfs.
 I cannot unmount it !


 I filed a bug now:

   https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=435540

 Everyone who's affected should feel free to confirm there.

Happens here, too, with mp3fs. I'm not able to login to Gentoo
Bugzilla now but will add my vote later if I get a chance.



Re: [gentoo-user] new machine : mail problem : solved

2012-09-19 Thread Philip Webb
120919 Alan McKinnon wrote:
 On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 01:18:45 -0400
 Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net wrote:
 RTFM : front + centre it says to try 'fetchmail -vvv --nodetach
 --nosyslog'. That immediately told me the very non-obvious but
 crucial information :  ~/.fetchmail must have no more permissions
 than 700.  Whyever ?
 That's quite normal actually. The file might contain passwords
 and you don't want every joker on the system reading them.

Yes, that is obvious once it's pointed out (grin).

 It *really* should have printed that warning to the console though.

Well yes, but it's normally running via a user cron job
 error msgs probably get dumped somewhere or even nowhere.
The place they should show up is  syslog  or  mail.warn ,
but they certainly weren't arriving there.

The new machine seems to be working properly now,
but I've had  5  odd problems along the way, some perhaps bugs :
(1) System Rescue has to look for its data file on all the devices,
but it hangs up at unformatted drives or swap partitions (bug ?);
(2) when you change from an Intel to an AMD CPU,
you have to change the xHCI settings in the kernel
in order to be able to use a USB mouse/keyboard ;
(3) Fluxbox rewrites its 'apps' file at every exit,
so to force Gkrellm to appear in a particular workspace
you have to point to another file in 'init':
Fluxbox is an excellent simple desktop manager,
but its session management needs redesign  expansion ;
(4) the latest Stage3 installs Python 3 as default (in some way),
so scripts which worked earlier may need rewriting
or you need to make them explicitly use Python 2 ;
(5) Fetchmail has an odd, if understandable, requirement for its config file,
but doesn't provide adequate warnings when it fails thereby (bug ?).

I hope my descriptions of problems + solutions help others
 thanks again to those who have contributed to the latter.

-- 
,,
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ELECTRIC   /] [] [] [] [] []|   Cities Centre, University of Toronto
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Re: [gentoo-user] Kernel options and udisk

2012-09-19 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 Am Mittwoch, 19. September 2012, 01:51:49 schrieb Dale:
 Raffaele BELARDI wrote:
 On 09/18/2012 11:03 PM, Dale wrote:
 And every day I hear about them finding more oil and gas that they
 didn't know was there before. 

 I am sure everybody would love to hear about those findings. Especially the 
 CEO's of BP, Shell etc.

Actually, the former CEO of Shell was on Fox Business not long ago
talking about some HUGE finds.  He said that we, the USA, are sitting on
some of the largest oil fields.  Here is one article I found but not
sure this is the same one the Shell guy was talking about since this
article is a few months old.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2012-05-15/1A-COV-ENERGY-INDEPENDENCE/54977254/1

Quoting from that:

It's no pipe dream. The U.S. is already the world's fastest-growing oil
and natural gas producer. Counting the output from Canada and Mexico,
North America
http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Places,+Geography/Regions/North+America
is the new Middle East, Citigroup analysts declare in a recent report.

Note it said fastest growing producer.  You have to find it and be able
to get it up before you can produce it.  Yea, one day we will run out
but that's a good long ways off.  We could get hit by some asteroid or
something that just completely destroys the planet and everything on it,
including all that oil and gas that people want to save up on. 

Have you heard about the new wells being drilled in North Dakota by any
chance?  They are drilling for oil like crazy up there.  That is just
one that I recall seeing on the news a good bit recently.  There are
plenty of other finds. 


 Fact is, we are running out. The stuff that is found is either very hard to 
 get 
 - or not very much. Oh, and very little to start with. Consider current 
 consumption.

Fact is, the same could be said for the Sun too.  Science already says
it will run out of fuel one day.  Solar doesn't work without sunlight. 
You can't grow corn or anything to make green fuel either.  There is
always going to be someone claiming we are running out of something. 
Then, we find more of it and the process continues.  Heck, we can't even
run out of the flu bug and everyone wants to run out of that. 

As for it being hard to get to, with new tools and knowledge that is
being used, they can get to places that 20 years ago we could never
dream of.  Once you get a oil pipe in the ground, that thing can produce
for years, even decades.  It's not like you have to drill a new one for
each week or month.  Heck, I have seen people talking on TV about oil
wells that were drilled way back in the 40's or 50's that still produce
lots of oil.  Once you get the pipe there, it's not hard anymore.


 Everything is a limited resource
 including sunlight.  If we are going to live thinking the end is
 tomorrow, then we are not going to have a life worth living.
 then turn off your computer. Have everything constantly on IS living like 
 there 
 is no tomorrow. If you want a tomorrow, start energy saving a bit.

Sorry, not convinced.  I let my computer do work for me and I find it
reasonable to pay for. 

 Reminds me of a quote I heard a little while ago.  'We shouldn't eat to
 live, we should live to eat.'  It was something like that.  I think I
 got it right since I didn't exactly write it down.  They were talking
 about food but still.  If you live, you have to use something.
 and because of some stupid, unrelated quote it is ok to be wasteful?

 You love quotes? Here is one:

 Waste not, want not.


I'm not wasting anything.  I just chose to let my puter work for me not
you.  I'm not one that is going to be told that I can't use something
that belongs to me in my own chosen way.  That is just NOT going to
work.  I chose to leave my system running and that is my decision and
mine alone.  You make your decision and I'll make mine.  I'm not going
to tell you to leave yours on, don't tell me to turn mine off either. 
I'll respect yours, you respect mine. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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you interpreted my words!



Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-19 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 New question about HDMI.  I have a pretty nice video card that has a 15
 pin connector and HDMI.  Do I have to do anything special to use the
 HDMI or does it just send the same signal to both connectors?  I have my
 monitor hooked to the 15 pin connector but would like to hook my TV to
 the HDMI connector.  Same signal on both is fine with me.  I would just
 rather watch movies and such on my TV instead of my monitor.  I googled
 a while back and just couldn't figure out how this works.  It seems to
 me that it works different based on how it is set up or something.  My
 card is Nvidia and it is a GT220 with 1Gb of ram.  It was donated so no
 links or anything.
 If you use the nvidia-drivers package you should also emerge
 nvidia-settings, which has a nice GUI that will let you configure the
 multiple screens and decide how you'd like to treat them.



I have that installed but I guess I have to plug it up to be able to do
anything related to settings.  I need to try this one day.  It could be
that HDMI has a better picture somehow. 

Thanks for the info tho.  At least now I know where to set this up. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-19 Thread Mark Knecht
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul Hartman wrote:
SNIP
 If you use the nvidia-drivers package you should also emerge
 nvidia-settings, which has a nice GUI that will let you configure the
 multiple screens and decide how you'd like to treat them.

Actually, I believe with the newest nvidia-drivers packages
nvidia-settings is now part of that package so no need to emerge it
specifically anymore.

mark@slinky ~ $ eix -Ic nvidia
[I] dev-util/nvidia-cuda-sdk (4.2{tbz2}@09/01/12): NVIDIA CUDA
Software Development Kit
[I] dev-util/nvidia-cuda-toolkit (4.2{tbz2}@09/01/12): NVIDIA CUDA Toolkit
[I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (304.48{tbz2}@09/14/12): NVIDIA X11
driver and GLX libraries
Found 3 matches.
mark@slinky ~ $ equery files nvidia-drivers | grep nvidia-settings
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/95-nvidia-settings
/opt/bin/nvidia-settings
/usr/share/man/man1/nvidia-settings.1.bz2
mark@slinky ~ $

I think this has been true for awhile but I only recently ran across it.

HTH,
Mark



Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-19 Thread Paul Hartman
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul Hartman wrote:
 SNIP
 If you use the nvidia-drivers package you should also emerge
 nvidia-settings, which has a nice GUI that will let you configure the
 multiple screens and decide how you'd like to treat them.

 Actually, I believe with the newest nvidia-drivers packages
 nvidia-settings is now part of that package so no need to emerge it
 specifically anymore.

 mark@slinky ~ $ eix -Ic nvidia
 [I] dev-util/nvidia-cuda-sdk (4.2{tbz2}@09/01/12): NVIDIA CUDA
 Software Development Kit
 [I] dev-util/nvidia-cuda-toolkit (4.2{tbz2}@09/01/12): NVIDIA CUDA Toolkit
 [I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (304.48{tbz2}@09/14/12): NVIDIA X11
 driver and GLX libraries
 Found 3 matches.
 mark@slinky ~ $ equery files nvidia-drivers | grep nvidia-settings
 /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/95-nvidia-settings
 /opt/bin/nvidia-settings
 /usr/share/man/man1/nvidia-settings.1.bz2
 mark@slinky ~ $

 I think this has been true for awhile but I only recently ran across it.

You're right, it is installed via the tools USE flag on nvidia-drivers now.



[gentoo-user] jabberd2 + muc

2012-09-19 Thread Matt Harrison
Hi list,

I know this isn't really in the remit of the list but I'm hoping there
is an expert lurking here somewhere. Does anyone have experience setting
up Jabber, especially with mu-conference?

I'm trying to set it up for some colleagues but I'm running into a lack
of documentation, overly complicated configurations and a seemingly dead
project with mu-conference.

The packages are still alive and well in portage, yet the site and
mailing list haven't been touched for some years.

Does anyone know of an alternative text chat system with multi-user room
facilities? It needs to be separate from mainstream networks such as MSN
etc, have good ACL capabilities and must support SSL.

Not really sure what to look at next, and after about 6 hours of
fighting with jabberd2 and muc, I'm about ready to give up with it.

TIA



Re: [gentoo-user] jabberd2 + muc

2012-09-19 Thread Michael Mol
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Matt Harrison
iwasinnamuk...@genestate.com wrote:
 Hi list,

 I know this isn't really in the remit of the list but I'm hoping there
 is an expert lurking here somewhere. Does anyone have experience setting
 up Jabber, especially with mu-conference?

 I'm trying to set it up for some colleagues but I'm running into a lack
 of documentation, overly complicated configurations and a seemingly dead
 project with mu-conference.

 The packages are still alive and well in portage, yet the site and
 mailing list haven't been touched for some years.

 Does anyone know of an alternative text chat system with multi-user room
 facilities? It needs to be separate from mainstream networks such as MSN
 etc, have good ACL capabilities and must support SSL.

 Not really sure what to look at next, and after about 6 hours of
 fighting with jabberd2 and muc, I'm about ready to give up with it.

Of all the XMPP daemons, ejabberd has the best reputation. jabberd14,
according to recent traffic on the -dev list, may be on its way out
due to lack of a maintainer, so I wouldn't invest time into setting
that up right now.

-- 
:wq



Re: [gentoo-user] UPS and serial or USB connections

2012-09-19 Thread Dale
Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Paul Hartman wrote:
 SNIP
 If you use the nvidia-drivers package you should also emerge
 nvidia-settings, which has a nice GUI that will let you configure the
 multiple screens and decide how you'd like to treat them.
 Actually, I believe with the newest nvidia-drivers packages
 nvidia-settings is now part of that package so no need to emerge it
 specifically anymore.

 mark@slinky ~ $ eix -Ic nvidia
 [I] dev-util/nvidia-cuda-sdk (4.2{tbz2}@09/01/12): NVIDIA CUDA
 Software Development Kit
 [I] dev-util/nvidia-cuda-toolkit (4.2{tbz2}@09/01/12): NVIDIA CUDA Toolkit
 [I] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers (304.48{tbz2}@09/14/12): NVIDIA X11
 driver and GLX libraries
 Found 3 matches.
 mark@slinky ~ $ equery files nvidia-drivers | grep nvidia-settings
 /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/95-nvidia-settings
 /opt/bin/nvidia-settings
 /usr/share/man/man1/nvidia-settings.1.bz2
 mark@slinky ~ $

 I think this has been true for awhile but I only recently ran across it.
 You're right, it is installed via the tools USE flag on nvidia-drivers now.



I still have both installed here.  I'll get rid of the settings one and
see what happens.  This may explain why I have two entries in the K menu
tho.  There may be two versions installed, knowing me, I'm clicking on
the old one.  lol 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

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I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how 
you interpreted my words!




Re: [gentoo-user] jabberd2 + muc

2012-09-19 Thread Matt Harrison
On 19/09/2012 23:50, Michael Mol wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Matt Harrison
 iwasinnamuk...@genestate.com wrote:
 Hi list,

 I know this isn't really in the remit of the list but I'm hoping there
 is an expert lurking here somewhere. Does anyone have experience setting
 up Jabber, especially with mu-conference?

 I'm trying to set it up for some colleagues but I'm running into a lack
 of documentation, overly complicated configurations and a seemingly dead
 project with mu-conference.

 The packages are still alive and well in portage, yet the site and
 mailing list haven't been touched for some years.

 Does anyone know of an alternative text chat system with multi-user room
 facilities? It needs to be separate from mainstream networks such as MSN
 etc, have good ACL capabilities and must support SSL.

 Not really sure what to look at next, and after about 6 hours of
 fighting with jabberd2 and muc, I'm about ready to give up with it.
 
 Of all the XMPP daemons, ejabberd has the best reputation. jabberd14,
 according to recent traffic on the -dev list, may be on its way out
 due to lack of a maintainer, so I wouldn't invest time into setting
 that up right now.
 

Thanks for the reply,

I did try ejabberd very briefly but it failed to start without giving
anything useful in the log. And I did follow the setup at the end of the
ebuild :)

I think it's just getting late so I'll probably try it again after some
rest. By the looks of it though, I'd still need a MU implementation, and
that doesn't seem easy to find.

thanks



[gentoo-user] Libpng warning

2012-09-19 Thread Fernando Antunes
Hi. I've been receiving a linpng warnong on my console saying that
something like Application build with libpng.1.2.8 running with
libpng.1.5.4.

Somebody knows how to identify which application is that ?