Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. Regards. Are you in discussion mode or pick a fight mode? I'm hoping it's the former. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. Regards. Are you in discussion mode or pick a fight mode? I'm hoping it's the former. Just in discussion mode. The statement this distro does not fit the general problems he [Poettering] works on doesn't make much sense; I thought Gentoo fitted basically everything the user wanted to. Therefore, in particular fits the model set by the systemd/udev developers. Case in point: in my use cases, it fits. I just used sarcasm to refute said statement. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
[gentoo-user] iscsi boot
When booting using iscsi, the connection drops to load in the firmware file before actually retrieving the firmware Oct 30 02:42:02 gentoophenom2 kernel: Refined TSC clocksource calibration: 3208.122 MHz.Oct 30 02:42:02 gentoophenom2 kernel: Switching to clocksource tscOct 30 02:42:02 gentoophenom2 kernel: r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: unable to load firmware patch rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw (-2)Oct 30 02:42:02 gentoophenom2 kernel: r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: link downOct 30 02:42:02 gentoophenom2 kernel: r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: link downOct 30 02:42:02 gentoophenom2 kernel: r8169 :02:00.0: eth0: link upOct 30 02:42:02 gentoophenom2 kernel: Sending DHCP requests ., OK small snippet, it's not a major issue, just a curiosity on how to fix it. I started using gentoo with kernel 3.3.8, I'm currently on 3.5.7 is there a way to change the order around or some similar easy fix? Thanks in advance :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to us, we could avoid flame wars. Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how bad an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the suggestion to use dd to copy one drive to another with a different block size. While this may have worked for the person suggesting it, it is a bad idea in general and refraining from stating that could have resulted n problems for someone following that advice. Surely stating the merits or otherwise of an idea is a core element of discussion, and discussion is what this list is about. On the topic of swearing, some consider it bad language, as you do, and I respect that view. Others consider it a means of expression (others seem to use it for punctuation, but no one is defending that). There are times that some words can add emotion or emphasis to a statement, especially when used rarely, but on a list like this there is generally little or no need for it. However, not all users of this list are native-English speakers and other cultures see use of such language different - one only has to look at the comments made on the podium of the Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix, made by professional drivers who are paid not to offend. -- Neil Bothwick And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 02:37:13 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. Regards. Are you in discussion mode or pick a fight mode? I'm hoping it's the former. Just in discussion mode. The statement this distro does not fit the general problems he [Poettering] works on doesn't make much sense; I thought Gentoo fitted basically everything the user wanted to. Therefore, in particular fits the model set by the systemd/udev developers. Case in point: in my use cases, it fits. I just used sarcasm to refute said statement. OK. I was speaking in broad terms, and unfortunately English is a very overloaded language; it doesn't do absolute precision very well. I well know that any of us can configure a Gentoo system to work correctly with just about any sane software; even if we have to get under the hood that's all just part of the deal using Gentoo. Quite obviously that's what you did with systemd to greater or lesser degree. But that's not what I was referring to, and you shouldn't take what I said to imply I meant something universally true either. Like I said, English is overloaded and more often than not when humans talk, the precision is fuzzy. Gentoo systems tend to be tweaked extensively by the owners (we have that freedom), in contrast to binary distros that usually have a much more rigid basic layout - you get what the maintainer gives you. Switching the startup system on Fedora is quite straightforward - the next release comes out with different software packages compared to the previous version (and the user gets to figure out this new thing) but it mostly works. On Gentoo the user gets to deal with the breakage of such low-level changes themselves, so we open the hood and break out the spanners. This is breakage - the fuzzy definition. But all of this is a side issue anyway. The main thrust of my post was that some software and developers have a tendency to get tempers riled up around here (remember /usr, separate volumes and initrd?) and with a volatile audience, well they are volatile. So Bruce shouldn't consider a thread like this one to be representative of very much at all -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to us, we could avoid flame wars. Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how bad an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the suggestion to use dd to copy one drive to another with a different block size. While this may have worked for the person suggesting it, it is a bad idea in general and refraining from stating that could have resulted n problems for someone following that advice. Surely stating the merits or otherwise of an idea is a core element of discussion, and discussion is what this list is about. On the topic of swearing, some consider it bad language, as you do, and I respect that view. Others consider it a means of expression (others seem to use it for punctuation, but no one is defending that). There are times that some words can add emotion or emphasis to a statement, especially when used rarely, but on a list like this there is generally little or no need for it. However, not all users of this list are native-English speakers and other cultures see use of such language different - one only has to look at the comments made on the podium of the Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix, made by professional drivers who are paid not to offend. -- Neil Bothwick And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make And there goes that sig again. How does that thing do what it does? lol I'm of the sort that when you get to the point of swearing, you have ran out of better ways to get the point across or just out of ideas all together. In the recent case, it was not only disrespectful, it was surely rude. This is something this list should not tolerate and I for one have no plans to do so. I fixed my issue but that still leaves the list to fix the rest. I just don't want to see this list be like -dev once was. Gentoo has come a long way on this to start going backwards. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:37:03AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 23:21:06 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: If we also stick to helping someone with their problem, and refrain from replying about how bad or useless we think an app or ideal might be to us, we could avoid flame wars. Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how bad an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the suggestion to use dd to copy one drive to another with a different block size. While this may have worked for the person suggesting it, it is a bad idea in general and refraining from stating that could have resulted n problems for someone following that advice. Might I suggest that it is more appropriate, and more likely to be received, if it is 'pointed out' with logic, technical explanation, and courtesy. Surely stating the merits or otherwise of an idea is a core element of discussion, and discussion is what this list is about. Which can (and should) be done well without sarcasm and personal attack. On the topic of swearing, some consider it bad language, as you do, and I respect that view. Others consider it a means of expression (others seem to use it for punctuation, but no one is defending that). There are times that some words can add emotion or emphasis to a statement, especially when used rarely, but on a list like this there is generally little or no need for it. However, not all users of this list are native-English speakers and other cultures see use of such language different - one only has to look at the comments made on the podium of the Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix, made by professional drivers who are paid not to offend. God, whom you mention in your sig, has written His law on the heart of every one, so that they are without excuse. Having visited 10 countries, and lived in China for almost 9 years, my experience has been that even most heathen in remote villages understand propriety. This person doing post-grad work in a Mexican universtiy well understands. But even if you doubt that, just reference his remark: I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That was not (nor is) the intention. Seems he didn't *really* mean that, and will continue to offend others. -- Neil Bothwick And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. fidget is what little boys do when they get caught doing something they know they should not have done in the first place; such as using profanity on a public list... You want the word figment, which means: n - a fantastic notion, invention, or fabrication: a figment of the imagination -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive change
On Thursday 08 Nov 2012 19:46:01 john wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:17:25 +0100 Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Am 08.11.2012 17:37, schrieb Paul Hartman: On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 7:03 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 08.11.2012 12:12 schrieb j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk: I am about to change my hard drive on my machine from a 500GB to 2tb. To transfer I intend to dd the partitions across and then resize using lvm as home swap var are located on lvm. Is this the right approach or would you recommend another method? John D Maunder. 2tb drive probably different sector size. cp -auv recommended. I agree, best approach is to partition and format the new drive as new, and then copy the files. This will also help you start your new disk with a lack of fragmentation. +1 Of course, a simple cp -auv /* /new_root won't suffice because of proc, sys and friends. I prefer mount --bind / /real_root cp -auv /real_root/* /new_root Regards, Florian Philipp Thanks all for advice. Nice work with the mounting. I often use star with the -copy option (faster and more advanced than tar, although I have not timed it), or rsync. dd and friends for iso copying and fs recovery. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:59:39 -0600, Bruce Hill wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:37:03AM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: Unfortunately, there are times when it is necessary to point out how bad an idea is in order to help someone. Recent example: the suggestion to use dd to copy one drive to another with a different block size. While this may have worked for the person suggesting it, it is a bad idea in general and refraining from stating that could have resulted n problems for someone following that advice. Might I suggest that it is more appropriate, and more likely to be received, if it is 'pointed out' with logic, technical explanation, and courtesy. I didn't say otherwise. However, clarity is also important, if an idea is considered poorly conceived, dangerous or simply stupid, there is nothing wrong with stating that. Condemning the idea is not the same as condemning the man, even though there is always an implication that someone proposing a poor idea is in some way at fault, even if that fault is no more than rushing to try to help without considering the possibilities. Surely stating the merits or otherwise of an idea is a core element of discussion, and discussion is what this list is about. Which can (and should) be done well without sarcasm and personal attack. Agreed absolutely. There are times when a discussion moves beyond the facts into personal territory, as happened in this thread. In such a case you should consider the track record of the person making the comments. Volker is known to to be somewhat abrupt, although there doesn't appear to be any malice, Alan has a somewhat sarcastic streak. When the comments come from an unknown poster (even one with no recognisable name) they can provoke a stronger, less considered reaction, precisely because there is no history. On the topic of swearing, some consider it bad language, as you do, and I respect that view. Others consider it a means of expression (others seem to use it for punctuation, but no one is defending that). There are times that some words can add emotion or emphasis to a statement, especially when used rarely, but on a list like this there is generally little or no need for it. However, not all users of this list are native-English speakers and other cultures see use of such language different - one only has to look at the comments made on the podium of the Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix, made by professional drivers who are paid not to offend. God, whom you mention in your sig, has written His law on the heart of every one, so that they are without excuse. Having visited 10 countries, and lived in China for almost 9 years, my experience has been that even most heathen in remote villages understand propriety. Maybe, but propriety is a feature of a culture and this list has users from many cultures. There may even be some offended by your trying to enforce your God's edicts n their behaviour. This is a multicultural list, we should live and let live. If someone's attitude or words offend you, you are free to ignore them, but they are just as free to continue acting as they do. The Internet is self-regulating and that applies to mailing lists too. This is primarily a help forum, those with attitude may find that when they need help, they have been killfiled by the very people that can help them. This person doing post-grad work in a Mexican universtiy well understands. But even if you doubt that, just reference his remark: I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That was not (nor is) the intention. Seems he didn't *really* mean that, and will continue to offend others. I agree, although that is more to do with attitude than language, it's like people who apologise before doing something wrong. What they are really saying it I know what I am about to do it wrong, but I'm going to do it anyway. Not that I was at all bothered by the client that phoned me again yesterday with sorry to ring you no a Sunday, but... followed by a trivial question that could have waited until today, or even be put in an email. Please don't confuse choice of vocabulary with courtesy. I use what you consider bad language at times, when it fulfils two criteria. 1) I feel it makes my statement more effective 2) I know it won't offend the person(s) I am speaking to However, those are my values, I don't try to force them on others. People who don't like the way I act are as free t ignore me as I them. Making a big thing about it is ultimately pointless. -- Neil Bothwick Your lack of organisation does not represent an emergency in my world. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Trailing colon and integer in output of emerge
Today I noticed that emerge adds a colon together with an integer to the
version of every package it wants to update, e.g. it says
[ebuild U ~] kde-base/kmail-4.9.3:4 [4.9.2:4] USE=handbook kontact (-
aqua) -debug {-test} 0 kB
I never noticed the trailing :4 before and I have no idea what it means. I
searched the gentoo website but haven't been able to find anything about it.
Does anyone what it is about?
Cheers :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Trailing colon and integer in output of emerge
On 11/12/2012 01:28:08 PM, Redcap wrote:
Today I noticed that emerge adds a colon together with an integer to
the
version of every package it wants to update, e.g. it says
[ebuild U ~] kde-base/kmail-4.9.3:4 [4.9.2:4] USE=handbook
kontact (-
aqua) -debug {-test} 0 kB
I never noticed the trailing :4 before and I have no idea what it
means. I
searched the gentoo website but haven't been able to find anything
about it.
Does anyone what it is about?
It's the value of SLOT. There are package for which multiple versions
can be installed
at the same time, e.g. on my system
eix sys-devel/gcc shows
Available versions:
(2.95) (*)2.95.3-r9 (~*)2.95.3-r10^s
(3.1) (*)3.1.1-r2
(3.2) (**)3.2.2^s (*)3.2.3-r4
(3.3) (~)3.3.6-r1^s
(3.4) 3.4.6-r2^s
(4.0) (~*)4.0.4^s
(4.1) 4.1.2^s
(4.2) (~)4.2.4-r1^s
(4.3) (~)4.3.3-r2^s 4.3.4^s (~)4.3.5^s 4.3.6-r1^s
(4.4) (~)4.4.2^s (~)4.4.3-r3^s 4.4.4-r2^s 4.4.5^s 4.4.6-r1^s
4.4.7^s
(4.5) (~)4.5.1-r1^s (~)4.5.2^s 4.5.3-r2^s 4.5.4^s{tbz2}
(4.6) (~)4.6.0^s (~)4.6.1-r1^s (~)4.6.2^s (~)4.6.3^s{tbz2}
(4.7) {M}(~)4.7.0^s {M}(~)4.7.1^s{tbz2} {M}(~)4.7.2^s{tbz2}
=^^^ SLOT value.
So, if you want to (re-)emerge the 4.6 version of gcc, you use
emerge -v1 sys-devel/gcc:4.6
(Just using emerge -v1 sys-devel/gcc would (re-)emerge the version with
the highest slot value,
4.7 in this case.)
Helmut.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 12:28:52PM +, Neil Bothwick wrote: snip -- Neil Bothwick Duly noted and appreciated ... thank you. -- Happy Penguin Computers ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ supp...@happypenguincomputers.com 662-269-2706 662-205-6424 http://happypenguincomputers.com/ Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
[gentoo-user] Re: Trailing colon and integer in output of emerge
On 12/11/12 14:46, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
On 11/12/2012 01:28:08 PM, Redcap wrote:
Today I noticed that emerge adds a colon together with an integer to the
version of every package it wants to update, e.g. it says
[ebuild U ~] kde-base/kmail-4.9.3:4 [4.9.2:4] USE=handbook
kontact (-
aqua) -debug {-test} 0 kB
I never noticed the trailing :4 before and I have no idea what it
means. I
searched the gentoo website but haven't been able to find anything
about it.
Does anyone what it is about?
It's the value of SLOT. There are package for which multiple versions
can be installed
at the same time
Actually, slotted packages are not guaranteed to support that.
Sometimes slots are only used for grouping, but different slots can't be
installed in parallel. google-chrome is an example.
[gentoo-user] nfs mounting back and forth...
Hi, I set up a cross compilation toolchain and it is possible to use emerge-wrapper and friends to populate the rootfs of my beaglebone, which is mounted via nfs. Normally, when compiling stuff natively on the beaglebone, I mount a part of my PC to /tmp of the beaglebone to reduce write cycles to the sd-card... Is it possible to do something like this (and how): As an alternative to quickpkg and friends: Mount the beaglebones rootfs to /usr/$CTARGET of my Gentoo Linux PC. Then nfs-mount a part of my Linux PC filesystem on /usr/$CTARGET/tmp to replace /tmp of my beaglebone temporarily to reduce write cycles to the sd-card? Thank you very much in advance for any help! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 18:24:32 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 21:32:41 +0800 微蔡 micro...@fedoraproject.org wrote: 在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build udev seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. Say Dude, I have a question (well, two actually) My name is Alan and I've been subscribed on this list for 7 years. What's your name, and how long have you been around? Just trying to establish your place in the pecking order in this here meritocracy. Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most merit a member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. in that case Alan certainly is at the very top. He is one of maybe three posters where I read every mail - and one of a handful I have a hard time to disagree with. Same for Neil Bothwick. Just to name two that rank very highly on my privat list of good gentoo-user citizens. Because both know what they are talking about. Something that is very rare. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
and now you are playing dumb. As I wrote earlier, you can't compare your baby oil with coolant oil. One is specifically made to be none toxic. The other one to be a good coolant. And just because there is a video of a transformer being filled with mineral oil based coolant does not change the fact that more and more transformers are filled with non-oil coolants. Baby oil, good for your skin, but not good as a coolant. Transformer oil, good coolant, but don't get it on your skin. Just because something is mineral oil based does not make it: toxic a good lubricant a good coolant fluid at room temperature none toxic good for your skin bad for your skin And for fuck's sake, don't drink it. Got it? -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [huge snip] But all of this is a side issue anyway. The main thrust of my post was that some software and developers have a tendency to get tempers riled up around here (remember /usr, separate volumes and initrd?) and with a volatile audience, well they are volatile. So Bruce shouldn't consider a thread like this one to be representative of very much at all I can agree with that. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. fidget is what little boys do when they get caught doing something they know they should not have done in the first place; such as using profanity on a public list... Cute. Just to be clear; it's *you* who believe that using profanity on a public list is something [...] they should not have done. I don't belive that; I believe everyone has the right to express my whichever means (words included) they want. You want the word figment, which means: n - a fantastic notion, invention, or fabrication: a figment of the imagination Thanks for the correction; it was really late last night, and I didn't notice it. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: [snip] This person doing post-grad work in a Mexican universtiy well understands. But even if you doubt that, just reference his remark: I hope it doesn't offend anyone. That was not (nor is) the intention. Seems he didn't *really* mean that, and will continue to offend others. This person has a name, and it is Canek. Refusing to use it could be considered not proper in some circles. And I repeat, I didn't intended to offend anyone; I didn't sent the mail thinking oh, I surely hope a lot of folks get offended by what I'm saying. I used fuck just to emphasize my point, and I will do it again if I believe the topic has merit to do so. If you don't want to believe me, well, that's your problem, not mine. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most merit a member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. in that case Alan certainly is at the very top. He is one of maybe three posters where I read every mail - and one of a handful I have a hard time to disagree with. Same for Neil Bothwick. Just to name two that rank very highly on my privat list of good gentoo-user citizens. Because both know what they are talking about. Something that is very rare. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying that asking for how long someone has been around to determine his place in the pecking order it's laughable. Just for the record, and although I'm a systemd user and supporter, I don't agree with many of the things 微蔡 said, and I certainly don't agree with the way he said them. But still for Alan to ask for how long he has been on the list to undermine his point of view, I think is laughable at the best, and cheap at the worst. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] DHCP - specific inet no - how to
dhcpcd has a --resquest option to do just this. One never stops learning... It only works if the address is available and if the server is returning a different address now it may be that your preferred address is in use. It also depends on the dhcp server understanding the request. I don't know if the option is actually a required part of the DHCP protocol, and as implemented even in cheap telco routers... although many routers these days run some sort of embedded linux with dnsmasq. andrea
Re: [gentoo-user] nfs mounting back and forth...
Hi, As an alternative to quickpkg and friends: Mount the beaglebones rootfs to /usr/$CTARGET of my Gentoo Linux PC. Then nfs-mount a part of my Linux PC filesystem on /usr/$CTARGET/tmp No need for nfs, just bind mount /tmp onto /usr/$CTARGET/tmp. Look up the --bind option in the man page of 'mount'. andrea
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chromium print bug?
Does anyone else's chromium get a little crazy when they try to bring up the print dialog without a printer attached? Thanks for the workaround :) Whenever I try to print to a file from chromium, the browser freezes and I need to kill the process to continue. I normally don't start cupsd unless I intend to print to my printer, but I tried starting cupsd just now and powering on my printer and that fixed the problem with printing to a file. This seems to be a bug in chromium. Anyone have any experience with filing chromium bugs upstream? Does it ever really get things fixed? (I gave up on firefox bugs long ago.) Thanks guys, I'll submit the bug. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] nfs mounting back and forth...
Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net [12-11-12 20:00]: Hi, As an alternative to quickpkg and friends: Mount the beaglebones rootfs to /usr/$CTARGET of my Gentoo Linux PC. Then nfs-mount a part of my Linux PC filesystem on /usr/$CTARGET/tmp No need for nfs, just bind mount /tmp onto /usr/$CTARGET/tmp. Look up the --bind option in the man page of 'mount'. andrea Hi Andrea, GREAT! Thats help REALLY! :) Thanks a lot! Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chromium print bug?
My cups was down when a tested. The problem is exactly what *walt* points before. 2012/11/12 Grant emailgr...@gmail.com Does anyone else's chromium get a little crazy when they try to bring up the print dialog without a printer attached? Thanks for the workaround :) Whenever I try to print to a file from chromium, the browser freezes and I need to kill the process to continue. I normally don't start cupsd unless I intend to print to my printer, but I tried starting cupsd just now and powering on my printer and that fixed the problem with printing to a file. This seems to be a bug in chromium. Anyone have any experience with filing chromium bugs upstream? Does it ever really get things fixed? (I gave up on firefox bugs long ago.) Thanks guys, I'll submit the bug. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:21:06 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most merit a member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. in that case Alan certainly is at the very top. He is one of maybe three posters where I read every mail - and one of a handful I have a hard time to disagree with. Same for Neil Bothwick. Just to name two that rank very highly on my privat list of good gentoo-user citizens. Because both know what they are talking about. Something that is very rare. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying that asking for how long someone has been around to determine his place in the pecking order it's laughable. Just for the record, and although I'm a systemd user and supporter, I don't agree with many of the things 微蔡 said, and I certainly don't agree with the way he said them. But still for Alan to ask for how long he has been on the list to undermine his point of view, I think is laughable at the best, and cheap at the worst. Now is the correct time to point out that you misinterpreted my post. I didn't say so earlier for the simple reason that (in my world at least) that always seems to pour gasoline on fires. The intent was for 微蔡 to respond then I could point out that I felt him coming in here brand new and making comments of haters and so on was highly inappropriate and considered rude in almost all human cultures. It is true that longevity doesn't buy much, but it is also true that people in a group or community do have to establish at least *some* street cred first. Sans that, we have little more than mob-chaos. That didn't happen, partly as you got in first. But no bad feelings from this end, you feel how you feel and that's how it is. And I'm certainly not about to insist you change your viewpoint on life or change who and what you are. I'm going to pinch Dale's sig as I think it's relevant: I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! There's no finger pointing in that, I find it a useful daily reminder about how easy it is to misinterpret mail. God knows I've done more of that myself than most. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 05:59:39 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: my experience has been that even most heathen in remote villages understand propriety. My experience is that all so-called primitive societies have an excellent grasp of this thing called manners - it's the oil that lubricates social interaction. By contrast, Western culture by and large is not only mostly ignorant of manners and proprietary, but we made a conscious decision to discard all of it entirely. I too have come into contact with many cultures other than my own. The only one that goes out of it's way to be rude as a matter of course is the Caucasian. Food for thought. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chromium print bug?
My cups was down when a tested. The problem is exactly what walt points before. Here it is: http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=160574 - Grant Does anyone else's chromium get a little crazy when they try to bring up the print dialog without a printer attached? Thanks for the workaround :) Whenever I try to print to a file from chromium, the browser freezes and I need to kill the process to continue. I normally don't start cupsd unless I intend to print to my printer, but I tried starting cupsd just now and powering on my printer and that fixed the problem with printing to a file. This seems to be a bug in chromium. Anyone have any experience with filing chromium bugs upstream? Does it ever really get things fixed? (I gave up on firefox bugs long ago.) Thanks guys, I'll submit the bug. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 12:21:06 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] Seniority != meritocracy. And I don't know how much meritocratic this list could be, since it is a users lists. The most merit a member of this list can get is to give technically acurate, constructive, and polite help for those users asking for it. in that case Alan certainly is at the very top. He is one of maybe three posters where I read every mail - and one of a handful I have a hard time to disagree with. Same for Neil Bothwick. Just to name two that rank very highly on my privat list of good gentoo-user citizens. Because both know what they are talking about. Something that is very rare. I'm not saying otherwise. I'm just saying that asking for how long someone has been around to determine his place in the pecking order it's laughable. Just for the record, and although I'm a systemd user and supporter, I don't agree with many of the things 微蔡 said, and I certainly don't agree with the way he said them. But still for Alan to ask for how long he has been on the list to undermine his point of view, I think is laughable at the best, and cheap at the worst. Now is the correct time to point out that you misinterpreted my post. I didn't say so earlier for the simple reason that (in my world at least) that always seems to pour gasoline on fires. The intent was for 微蔡 to respond then I could point out that I felt him coming in here brand new and making comments of haters and so on was highly inappropriate and considered rude in almost all human cultures. It is true that longevity doesn't buy much, but it is also true that people in a group or community do have to establish at least *some* street cred first. Sans that, we have little more than mob-chaos. I don't agree with that. It's a technical list, so the technical arguments should be the only ones that matter, no matter who says them or (to a certain degree) how they say them. I didn't say anything about the members of the list responding to 微蔡 on at least one technical ground; yours was the first message I saw that had not even a hint of a technical argument, but only a call for proof of seniority. I felt that needed to be called out, because (IMO) it serves no purpose and alienates users, specially new ones that feel that they don't belong to a non-existing club. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.biz2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That it's weird. What does systemd-analyze blame say after a fresh boot? Something related to consolekit was taking by far the most time. But I thought I was supposed to remove that. So I make USE include -consolekit, and removed console kit, and did emerge -uD --newuse world, but yet, pambase insists on pulling in consolekit no matter what. I compile it separate (emerge -1 ...) without consolekit USE, and the works. But whenever I update consolekit wants get added again. Anyway, right now I have it removed and it does come up faster without it. But another thing I miss is knowing where it is in the boot process. The systemd doesn't tell me anything. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.biz2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That it's weird. What does systemd-analyze blame say after a fresh boot? Something related to consolekit was taking by far the most time. But I thought I was supposed to remove that. So I make USE include -consolekit, and removed console kit, and did emerge -uD --newuse world, but yet, pambase insists on pulling in consolekit no matter what. I compile it separate (emerge -1 ...) without consolekit USE, and the works. But whenever I update consolekit wants get added again. Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in /etc/portage/package.use? Anyway, right now I have it removed and it does come up faster without it. Cool. But another thing I miss is knowing where it is in the boot process. The systemd doesn't tell me anything. Actually it does; if you are not using plymouth (or another splash), the standard listing of services gets printed on the console, with even the [ OK ] that a lot of people like. A copy of this output gets logged in /var/log/boot.log. Also, you can boot with systemd.log_target=kmsg systemd.log_level=debug, and everything (which is a lot) will get stored in the kernel ring buffer, so you can check it out afterwards with dmesg. The thing with this output is that, when properly configured, systemd is just too fast for it to be useful; my laptop boots so fast that I cannot even see it even if I disable plymouth. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
On Monday 12 November 2012 17:39:15 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... more and more transformers are filled with non-oil coolants. That's interesting - what other substances are used instead these days? In my day we had nothing but mineral oil. -- Rgds Peter
[gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On 10/11/12 00:53, walt wrote: [...] You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;) now I think he's not so bad after all. I'll like systemd when I can just emerge it and have it working, just like I can with OpenRC :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.biz20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in /etc/portage/package.use? It seems like polkit is actually the culprit. * These packages depend on pambase: app-admin/sudo-1.8.6_p3 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) net-misc/openssh-6.1_p1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20081028) sys-apps/openrc-0.11.5 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) sys-apps/shadow-4.1.5.1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20120417) sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) (systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[systemd]) (!systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[consolekit]) sys-libs/pam-1.1.6 (sys-auth/pambase) x11-misc/lightdm-1.4.0 (=sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r2) diffing polkit 104 and 107 ebuilds shows some changes in the systemd related USE selection logic. I DO also have the systemd USE flag set. Yet, polkit is requiring pambase with consolekit. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.biz20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in /etc/portage/package.use? It seems like polkit is actually the culprit. * These packages depend on pambase: app-admin/sudo-1.8.6_p3 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) net-misc/openssh-6.1_p1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20081028) sys-apps/openrc-0.11.5 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) sys-apps/shadow-4.1.5.1 (pam ? =sys-auth/pambase-20120417) sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 (pam ? sys-auth/pambase) (systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[systemd]) (!systemd ? sys-auth/pambase[consolekit]) sys-libs/pam-1.1.6 (sys-auth/pambase) x11-misc/lightdm-1.4.0 (=sys-auth/pambase-20101024-r2) diffing polkit 104 and 107 ebuilds shows some changes in the systemd related USE selection logic. I DO also have the systemd USE flag set. Yet, polkit is requiring pambase with consolekit. Enable the systemd USE flag in polkit and it will not require consolekit: pam? ( systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[systemd] ) !systemd? ( sys-auth/pambase[consolekit] ) ) That means: you want pam?, then if you want systemd, I require pambase with systemd; otherwise, I require pambase with consolekit. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re
20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.biz20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org,
Canek Peláez Valdés said:
Do an equery depends pambase and see what it's trying to pull
pambase with consolekit. Perhaps do you have something in
/etc/portage/package.use?
Just synced with latest portage and here is what emerge is currently
telling me:
venus ~ # emerge -uDpv --newuse world
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] sci-libs/suitesparseconfig-4.0.2 USE=-static-libs
318 kB [ebuild U ] sci-libs/colamd-2.8.0 [2.7.4]
USE=-static-libs 362 kB [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Net-HTTP-6.50.0
[6.30.0] 16 kB
[ebuild U ] dev-python/pyxdg-0.24 [0.23] USE={-test%} (-examples%*) 46 kB
[ebuild U ] sys-apps/mlocate-0.26 [0.25] USE=nls (-selinux) 351 kB
[ebuild U ] x11-drivers/xf86-video-intel-2.20.13 [2.20.12] USE=dri sna
udev xvmc -glamor -uxa 1,611 kB
[ebuild U ] net-misc/aria2-1.15.2 [1.15.0] USE=bittorrent gnutls
libxml2%* nettle* nls scripts sqlite ssl xmlrpc -adns% -metal
ink {-test} (-ares%) (-bash-completion%*) (-doc%) (-expat%*) 1,996 kB
[ebuild U ] app-text/calibre-0.9.6 [0.9.5] USE=udisks 26,706 kB
[ebuild N ] sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 USE=acl pam policykit
-debug -doc (-selinux) {-test} 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 USE=consolekit* cracklib
gnome-keyring sha512 systemd -debug -minimal -mktemp -pam_k
rb5 -pam_ssh -passwdqc (-selinux) 0 kB
Total: 10 packages (7 upgrades, 2 new, 1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 31,403
kB
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1, required by @selected, required by
@world (argument)
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 policykit
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1[pam], required by
sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1[policykit]
=sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 consolekit
-- Keith
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Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.biz20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That means: you want pam?, then if you want systemd, I require pambase with systemd; otherwise, I require pambase with consolekit. I already have it set globally, but I just added it specially to package.use just to make sure. Same result. Something is wrong with the logic there. -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:25 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote: Re 20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.biz20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: That means: you want pam?, then if you want systemd, I require pambase with systemd; otherwise, I require pambase with consolekit. I already have it set globally, but I just added it specially to package.use just to make sure. Same result. Something is wrong with the logic there. Yeah, portage is doing something weird here (or you have some rogue config files). Did you move make.conf from /etc to /etc/portage? It is possible that the old copy is still in /etc? What does emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit says? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re
20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.biz20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.bizCADPrc81rNbM2XLnOsANLsY5dL-8o2Lmdwe1+8+GNrtNuxV4h0w@mail.gmail.com20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org,
Canek Peláez Valdés said:
What does emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit says?
The pam use flag has always been set globally.
Here is the output:
venus ~ # emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 USE=acl pam policykit
-debug -doc (-selinux) {-test} 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 USE=consolekit* cracklib
gnome-keyring sha512 systemd -debug -minimal -mktemp -pam_k
rb5 -pam_ssh -passwdqc (-selinux) 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 USE=examples gtk introspection nls
pam -kde (-selinux) (-systemd) 0 kB
Total: 3 packages (1 new, 2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1, required by sys-auth/polkit (argument)
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 policykit
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1[pam], required by
sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1[policykit]
=sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 consolekit
Usually package.use entry should also work:
venus ~ # grep polkit /etc/portage/package.use
sys-auth/polkit systemd
Yet something is forcing systemd flag off for polkit, but I can't figure out
what it is.
-- Keith
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Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz wrote:
Re
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Canek Peláez Valdés said:
What does emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit says?
The pam use flag has always been set globally.
Here is the output:
venus ~ # emerge -1pv sys-auth/polkit
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild N ] sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 USE=acl pam
policykit -debug -doc (-selinux) {-test} 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 USE=consolekit* cracklib
gnome-keyring sha512 systemd -debug -minimal -mktemp -pam_k
rb5 -pam_ssh -passwdqc (-selinux) 0 kB
[ebuild R] sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1 USE=examples gtk introspection
nls pam -kde (-selinux) (-systemd) 0 kB
Total: 3 packages (1 new, 2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB
The following USE changes are necessary to proceed:
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1, required by sys-auth/polkit (argument)
=sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1 policykit
#required by sys-auth/polkit-0.107-r1[pam], required by
sys-auth/consolekit-0.4.5_p20120320-r1[policykit]
=sys-auth/pambase-20120417-r1 consolekit
Usually package.use entry should also work:
venus ~ # grep polkit /etc/portage/package.use
sys-auth/polkit systemd
Yet something is forcing systemd flag off for polkit, but I can't figure out
what it is.
Oops, sorry, I forgot about it. They included systemd in
package.use.mask, since it conflicts with consolekit (which is the
standard in Gentoo still). You need to add this to
/etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask:
sys-auth/polkit -systemd
Then you will be able to use polkit with systemd, and consolekit will
be expunged from your system.
Regards.
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Re 20121112155355.3766e304@dartworks.biz20121112155355.3766e304@dartworks.bizCADPrc83xjvcJgkRW32iWK_D_tyJN_gvaMOCR58CiFeZxwihxow@mail.gmail.com20121112152513.62482d17@dartworks.bizCADPrc81rNbM2XLnOsANLsY5dL-8o2Lmdwe1+8+GNrtNuxV4h0w@mail.gmail.com20121112151105.44071321@dartworks.bizCADPrc83npGRPaaNfJqSHYRWb+CJWaU4GtU1CqaR=_Cc9q6eokQ@mail.gmail.com20121112134014.632fa8c7@dartworks.bizCADPrc80e46k1JN3jE0Y=Xobbo7Vh6jotc=dnhzLo9-Z_vj+wkw@mail.gmail.com2012192731.149dc082@dartworks.bizCADPrc83TGeegA0UXadMEy=B62xZYOE50bqfw+dxDJ8f=FkPTHA@mail.gmail.com2012185801.58964939@dartworks.bizCADPrc83+5zUQ+GzCSvyHhZa7BZfMqqagZCosktasOY1sdhCx0Q@mail.gmail.com2012175313.54b9acf1@dartworks.bizCADPrc80EwExpbdcJX1a+aE0DA=iopqw-QOaozmUBJCs5FGew-g@mail.gmail.com20121109171149.1d8a3e18@dartworks.biz509D9C62.9040909@gmail.com509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1...@ger.gmane.org, Canek Peláez Valdés said: You need to add this to /etc/portage/profile/package.use.mask: sys-auth/polkit -systemd Then you will be able to use polkit with systemd, and consolekit will be expunged from your system Thanks a lot, that fixed it. Now it seems to work much better. Now I have to change some habits... such as when I switch to the console I may sometimes do /etc/init.d/xdm stop, and /etc/init.d/gpm start. Now I can't do that. It doesn't seem gpm has a .start file, so I guess I'll have to make one myself. Where do I add that? It looks like /etc/systemd/user? -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
[gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
Original Message Subject:[gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:40:53 -0500 From: Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org To: gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org Richard Yao wrote: Dear Everyone, It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance seems to have gone into some crazy mode where they have made changes that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.' https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus' concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other things. We will announce the project later this week. I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related to udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another month so that we have time to get organized? Yours truly, Richard Yao Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. I wonder what they will name it tho. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
