Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
Am 13.11.2012 04:20, schrieb Dale: Original Message Subject: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:40:53 -0500 From: Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org To: gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org Richard Yao wrote: Dear Everyone, It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance seems to have gone into some crazy mode where they have made changes that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.' https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus' concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other things. We will announce the project later this week. I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related to udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another month so that we have time to get organized? Yours truly, Richard Yao Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. I wonder what they will name it tho. Dale :-) :-) What about gdev (gentoo dev) :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 13.11.2012 04:20, schrieb Dale: Original Message Subject: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization Date:Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:40:53 -0500 From:Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org Reply-To:gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org To: gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org Richard Yao wrote: Dear Everyone, It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance seems to have gone into some crazy mode where they have made changes that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.' https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus' concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other things. We will announce the project later this week. I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related to udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another month so that we have time to get organized? Yours truly, Richard Yao Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. I wonder what they will name it tho. Dale :-) :-) What about gdev (gentoo dev) :) That could work but since Linus thinks it is stupid the way udev is headed, I was thinking about smartdev. That would be the opposite of stupiddev I guess. lol I don't care what the name is, I just hope it works out not only for Gentoo but for other distros that don't like the direction udev is going. Thanks to Richard and everyone else who is going to be working on this. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
[gentoo-user] WLAN with fixed IP
Hi, I'd like to assign fixed IP numbers to computers of a local network. Using dhcp as in modules=wpa_supplicant wpa_supplicant_wlan0=-Dwext -iwlan0 config_wlan0=dhcp works just fine but depends on dhcp for IP assignment. The following does not work, i.e. the network is not working modules=wpa_supplicant wpa_supplicant_wlan0=-Dwext -iwlan0 config_wlan0=192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.1.255 routes_wlan0=default via 192.168.1.1 dns_servers_wlan0=192.168.1. What am I missing. What does the dhcp option imply? Are there any additional necessary initialization (like an ifup) ? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut.
Re: [gentoo-user] WLAN with fixed IP
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:39:40 +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: I'd like to assign fixed IP numbers to computers of a local network. I prefer to do this on the DHCP server, that way all my network configuration is in one place and if I move a computer to a different network it will still work as DHCP is enabled. Most DHCP servers let you map MAC addresses to IP addresses. config_wlan0=192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.1.255 routes_wlan0=default via 192.168.1.1 dns_servers_wlan0=192.168.1. That last line is wrong, is the network not working at all or is it just DNS resolution that is failing? -- Neil Bothwick Apple I (c) Copyright 1767, Sir Isaac Newton. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] WLAN with fixed IP
On 11/13/2012 11:53:49 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:39:40 +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: I'd like to assign fixed IP numbers to computers of a local network. I prefer to do this on the DHCP server, that way all my network configuration is in one place and if I move a computer to a different network it will still work as DHCP is enabled. Most DHCP servers let you map MAC addresses to IP addresses. config_wlan0=192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.1.255 routes_wlan0=default via 192.168.1.1 dns_servers_wlan0=192.168.1. Yes, that's a typo of course It should read dns_servers_wlan0=192.168.1.1 I've written this from memory since I don't have access to that machine at the moment. That last line is wrong, is the network not working at all or is it just DNS resolution that is failing? It says something like network not ready, but I'll check this afternoon. I remember that ifconfig wlan0 did show the right IP. Thanks, Helmut.
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
I think we also ought to contact Linus, to have some input on what the forked-udev (vdev? gdev? nlpdev?) *shouldn't* be. Lest we tread the same path that led to him calling udev 'stupid'. Just my 2 cents. Probably worthless :-| Rgds, -- On Nov 13, 2012 4:26 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Hampicke wrote: Am 13.11.2012 04:20, schrieb Dale: Original Message Subject: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization Date:Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:40:53 -0500 From:Richard Yao r...@gentoo.org Reply-To:gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org To: gentoo-proj...@lists.gentoo.org Richard Yao wrote: Dear Everyone, It is no secret that many of us are unhappy with the direction that udev has taken under the leadership of the systemd developers. That includes Linus Torvalds, who is 'leery of the fact that the udev maintenance seems to have gone into some crazy mode where they have made changes that were known to be problematic, and are pure and utter stupidity.' https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/505 After speaking with several other Gentoo developers that share Linus' concerns, I have decided to form a team to fork udev. Our plan is to eliminate the separate /usr requirement from our fork, among other things. We will announce the project later this week. I understand that the council is scheduled to vote on a topic related to udev stabilization. Would it be possible to delay the vote for another month so that we have time to get organized? Yours truly, Richard Yao Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. I wonder what they will name it tho. Dale :-) :-) What about gdev (gentoo dev) :) That could work but since Linus thinks it is stupid the way udev is headed, I was thinking about smartdev. That would be the opposite of stupiddev I guess. lol I don't care what the name is, I just hope it works out not only for Gentoo but for other distros that don't like the direction udev is going. Thanks to Richard and everyone else who is going to be working on this. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Error emerging kdepimlibs-4.9.3
On 11/08/2012 01:18 AM, Pau Peris wrote:
Hi,
i am on a new Gentoo installation and when trying to emerge kde4.9.3
through kde4 layman overlay i get the following error for kdepimlibs-4.9.3
-- Found Sasl2: /usr/lib64/libsasl2.so
-- Looking for include file sys/select.h
-- Looking for include file sys/select.h - found
-- Looking for include file sys/socket.h
-- Looking for include file sys/socket.h - found
-- Looking for include file sys/types.h
-- Looking for include file sys/types.h - found
-- Found SharedMimeInfo: /usr/bin/update-mime-database (found suitable
version 1.0, required is 0.30)
-- Found Libical version 0.48
-- Found LIBICAL: /usr/lib64/libical.so;/usr/lib64/libicalss.so
CMake Error at
/usr/share/cmake/Modules/CMakeExportBuildSettings.cmake:17 (MESSAGE):
The functionality of this module has been dropped as of CMake 2.8.
It was
deemed harmful (confusing users by changing their compiler). Please
remove
calls to the CMAKE_EXPORT_BUILD_SETTINGS macro and stop including this
module. If this project generates any files for use by external
projects,
remove any use of the CMakeImportBuildSettings module from them.
Call Stack (most recent call first):
gpgme++/CMakeLists.txt:121 (include)
-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
* ERROR: kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.9.3 failed (configure phase):
* cmake failed
*
* Call stack:
* ebuild.sh, line 85: Called src_configure
* environment, line 3899: Called kde4-base_src_configure
* environment, line 2941: Called cmake-utils_src_configure
* environment, line 1064: Called _execute_optionaly 'src_configure'
* environment, line 486: Called enable_cmake-utils_src_configure
* environment, line 1384: Called die
* The specific snippet of code:
* ${CMAKE_BINARY} ${cmakeargs[@]} ${CMAKE_USE_DIR} || die
cmake failed;
*
* If you need support, post the output of `emerge --info
'=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.9.3'`,
* the complete build log and the output of `emerge -pqv
'=kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.9.3'`.
* This ebuild used the following eclasses from overlays:
* /var/lib/layman/kde/eclass/kde4-base.eclass
* /var/lib/layman/kde/eclass/kde4-functions.eclass
* /var/lib/layman/kde/eclass/cmake-utils.eclass
* This ebuild is from an overlay named 'kde': '/var/lib/layman/kde/'
* The complete build log is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.9.3/temp/build.log'.
* The ebuild environment file is located at
'/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.9.3/temp/environment'.
* Working directory:
'/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.9.3/work/kdepimlibs-4.9.3_build'
* S: '/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.9.3/work/kdepimlibs-4.9.3
Does any one knows how to solve it? Thx in advanced
what's your cmake version?
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:20:42PM -0600, Dale wrote: Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. I wonder what they will name it tho. Dale There is at least one other fork of udev: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-934678-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-200.html?sid=052fe76e4eb5977fd2eb5a59e40fc0ff Haven't visited it in a while. Having =sys-fs/udev-181 in /etc/portage/package.mask has allowed me to avoid the insanity that Kay and Lennart have done to udev. Works very well on 9 Gentoo systems on this LAN atm. -- Happy Penguin Gymnastics ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ ad...@happypenguingymnastics.com 662-321-7009 http://happypenguingymnastics.com/ FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: chromium print bug?
I am experimenting the same issue, when I try to print with it, I have to use Firefox to print. Any fix? On 11 November 2012 19:13, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/11/2012 11:49 AM, Grant wrote: Does anyone else's chromium get a little crazy when they try to bring up the print dialog without a printer attached? Thanks for the workaround :) Whenever I try to print to a file from chromium, the browser freezes and I need to kill the process to continue. I normally don't start cupsd unless I intend to print to my printer, but I tried starting cupsd just now and powering on my printer and that fixed the problem with printing to a file. This seems to be a bug in chromium. Anyone have any experience with filing chromium bugs upstream? Does it ever really get things fixed? (I gave up on firefox bugs long ago.) -- Carlos Sura.- www.carlossura.com www.carlossura.com/blog
Re: [gentoo-user] WLAN with fixed IP
On 11/13/2012 12:15:35 PM, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 11/13/2012 11:53:49 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:39:40 +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: I'd like to assign fixed IP numbers to computers of a local network. I prefer to do this on the DHCP server, that way all my network configuration is in one place and if I move a computer to a different network it will still work as DHCP is enabled. Most DHCP servers let you map MAC addresses to IP addresses. config_wlan0=192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.1.255 routes_wlan0=default via 192.168.1.1 dns_servers_wlan0=192.168.1. Yes, that's a typo of course It should read dns_servers_wlan0=192.168.1.1 I've written this from memory since I don't have access to that machine at the moment. That last line is wrong, is the network not working at all or is it just DNS resolution that is failing? It says something like network not ready, but I'll check this afternoon. I remember that ifconfig wlan0 did show the right IP. Now, from the machine in question, I get connect: Network is unreachable /var/log/messages shows Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost kernel: wlan0: authenticate with 00:1d:6a:83:9f:75 Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost kernel: wlan0: send auth to 00:1d:6a:83:9f:75 (try 1/3) Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost kernel: wlan0: authenticated Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost kernel: wlan0: associate with 00:1d:6a:83:9f:75 (try 1/3) Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost kernel: wlan0: RX AssocResp from 00:1d:6a:83:9f:75 (capab=0x431 status=0 aid=1) Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost kernel: wlan0: associated Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost kernel: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready Nov 13 14:54:34 localhost wpa_cli: interface wlan0 CONNECTED Nov 13 14:54:35 localhost /etc/init.d/net.wlan0[3605]: ERROR: net.wlan0 failed to start Nov 13 14:54:35 localhost wpa_cli: executing '/etc/init.d/net.wlan0 --quiet start' failed ^^^ This is the reason But where is wpa_cli started, when I have config_wlan0=dhcpinstead of config_wlan0=192.168.1.33 netmsk 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 Sometimes, openrc is hard. I even don't know where to start searching. Many thanks for a hint, Helmut.
Re: [gentoo-user] WLAN with fixed IP
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:52:25PM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote:
I'd like to assign fixed IP numbers to computers of a local
map MAC addresses to IP addresses.
This is what your /etc/dhcp/dhcp.conf would look like on the router, or how it
should be configured wherever DHCP is handed out:
authoritative;
ddns-update-style none;
default-lease-time 1800;
max-lease-time 1800;
subnet 192.168.54.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.54.10 192.168.54.50;
option broadcast-address 192.168.54.255;
option domain-name-servers 192.168.54.1;
option routers 192.168.54.1;
}
subnet 192.168.100.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 {
range 192.168.100.10 192.168.100.50;
option broadcast-address 192.168.100.255;
option domain-name-servers 192.168.100.1;
option routers 192.168.100.1;
}
host server {
hardware ethernet 00:d0:68:0b:87:66;
fixed-address 192.168.100.3;
}
You of course need to adjust for your network(s). And I'd install dhcpcd and
put it in the default runlevel.
Then on the client you have /etc/conf.d/net like this:
modules_wlan0=wpa_supplicant
wpa_supplicant_wlan0=-Dwext
config_wlan0=dhcp
if you're using wpa_supplicant (you mentioned wpa_cli).
And your /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf would look like:
ctrl_interface=DIR=/var/run/wpa_supplicant GROUP=wheel
#ap_scan=0
#update_config=1
network={
ssid=YourSSID
psk=your-secret-key
scan_ssid=1
proto=WPA2
key_mgmt=WPA-PSK
group=CCMP TKIP
pairwise=CCMP TKIP
priority=5
}
If you just want to setup a static IP per machine, /etc/conf.d/net:
config_wlan0=192.168.1.2/24
routes_wlan0=default via 192.168.1.1
Hope this helps. If it's too confusing, might mention where DHCP is handed
out, and some more about your LAN.
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Re: [gentoo-user] WLAN with fixed IP
Am 13.11.2012 17:27, schrieb Bruce Hill: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:52:25PM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: I'd like to assign fixed IP numbers to computers of a local map MAC addresses to IP addresses. [...] If you just want to setup a static IP per machine, /etc/conf.d/net: config_wlan0=192.168.1.2/24 routes_wlan0=default via 192.168.1.1 Hope this helps. If it's too confusing, might mention where DHCP is handed out, and some more about your LAN. The following is taken directly from my /etc/conf.d/net with minimal editing. It assigns configs based on SSIDs. If I'm not mistaken (haven't tested it in a long time) this means it will default to DHCP for unspecified nets. Good for quick and dirty setups while traveling: modules_wlan0=wpa_supplicant config_MySSID=192.168.2.5 netmask 255.255.255.0 routes_MySSID=default via 192.168.2.1 dns_servers_MySSID=192.168.6.1 dns_domain_MySSID=example.net config_SomeHotelSSID=dhcp config_HotelWithVPN=dhcp dhcp_HotelWithVPN=nodns dns_servers_HotelWithVPN=192.168.6.1 # DNS server via VPN dns_domain_HotelWithVPN=vpn.example.net Hope this helps, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 23:03:08 schrieb Peter Humphrey: On Monday 12 November 2012 17:39:15 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... more and more transformers are filled with non-oil coolants. That's interesting - what other substances are used instead these days? In my day we had nothing but mineral oil. ethers? -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 02:37:13 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. Regards. Are you in discussion mode or pick a fight mode? I'm hoping it's the former. Just in discussion mode. The statement this distro does not fit the general problems he [Poettering] works on doesn't make much sense; I thought Gentoo fitted basically everything the user wanted to. Therefore, in particular fits the model set by the systemd/udev developers. Case in point: in my use cases, it fits. I just used sarcasm to refute said statement. Regards. for people who do like to have /var or /usr on seperate partitions and don't want to use initrd, Poetteringco are a nightmare. They are anti-choice. Gentoo is about choice. Your choice is in line with Poettering's way to do things. Good for you. But it is not mine. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 02:37:13 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. Regards. Are you in discussion mode or pick a fight mode? I'm hoping it's the former. Just in discussion mode. The statement this distro does not fit the general problems he [Poettering] works on doesn't make much sense; I thought Gentoo fitted basically everything the user wanted to. Therefore, in particular fits the model set by the systemd/udev developers. Case in point: in my use cases, it fits. I just used sarcasm to refute said statement. Regards. for people who do like to have /var or /usr on seperate partitions and don't want to use initrd, Poetteringco are a nightmare. They are anti-choice. Gentoo is about choice. Your choice is in line with Poettering's way to do things. Good for you. But it is not mine. I never said or implied otherwise. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] WLAN with fixed IP
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 11:39:40AM +0100, Helmut Jarausch wrote: Hi, I'd like to assign fixed IP numbers to computers of a local network. Using dhcp as in modules=wpa_supplicant wpa_supplicant_wlan0=-Dwext -iwlan0 config_wlan0=dhcp works just fine but depends on dhcp for IP assignment. The following does not work, i.e. the network is not working modules=wpa_supplicant wpa_supplicant_wlan0=-Dwext -iwlan0 config_wlan0=192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 brd 192.168.1.255 routes_wlan0=default via 192.168.1.1 dns_servers_wlan0=192.168.1. What am I missing. What does the dhcp option imply? Are there any additional necessary initialization (like an ifup) ? Many thanks for a hint, Helmut. Forgot to mention that /usr/share/doc/openrc*/net.example* is pretty well commented and 'recommended'. -- Happy Penguin Gymnastics ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ ad...@happypenguingymnastics.com 662-321-7009 http://happypenguingymnastics.com/ FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: new system hardware
On 2012-11-13, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 23:03:08 schrieb Peter Humphrey: On Monday 12 November 2012 17:39:15 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: ... more and more transformers are filled with non-oil coolants. That's interesting - what other substances are used instead these days? In my day we had nothing but mineral oil. ethers? silicone fluorocarbons (dunno which ones) -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Jesuit priests are at DATING CAREER DIPLOMATS!! gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive change
First of all I have to be sorry for this unprofessional overreaction and my unqualified comment. This really wasnt my week at all. I thought about what I said and recognized that this wasnt correct at all. I used my last hhd change to completely remerge my system and copy only the files I really need. Making things clean is much better! :D Thanks Mark for this waking up post. I stumbled some more in this group and now I know what you mean. :) regards, lukas On 11/09/2012 02:56 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 4:00 AM, mindrunner ker...@ccube.de mailto:ker...@ccube.de wrote: someone calls me stupid and dumb, because i am sharing my opinion. this never happened to me on a dev-mailinglist. I came here to help out gentoo users. not to flame war. If I want this kind of conversation, i would sign in to gulli board or some similar, but not gentoo-users. so I thought, we are all grown up here. Now I have to leave you again. bye On 11/08/2012 09:37 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Donnerstag, 8. November 2012, 16:23:08 schrieb mindrunner: i always use ddrescue for migrating to another hdd. it is much more comfortable than dd and does not depent on file systems, etc. I always prefer copying on block device level. that is just stupid. You copy the fragmentation, the errors, the journal log and all the other crap that accumulated over time. No excuses. Just dumb. Please, don't take Volker seriously as anyone who represents the basic discourse here. I black listed him a year ago but unfortunately his rudeness still leaks through. While he is technically capable, far more than me certainly, it's my opinion personally that he isn't worth the time. Feel free to blacklist him and then listen to others here who are technically at least if not far more capable and always more friendly in their delivery. Good luck, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:30:57 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Montag, 12. November 2012, 02:37:13 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:17:50 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] In trying to solve a general problem, Lennart has a knack for breaking Gentoo - this distro does not fit the general problems he works on. Oh, really? Didn't get the memo. I suppose all my machines (laptops, desktops, servers and media center) running with Gentoo+systemd (and what is more, *without* OpenRC) are a fidget of my imagination. Regards. Are you in discussion mode or pick a fight mode? I'm hoping it's the former. Just in discussion mode. The statement this distro does not fit the general problems he [Poettering] works on doesn't make much sense; I thought Gentoo fitted basically everything the user wanted to. Therefore, in particular fits the model set by the systemd/udev developers. Case in point: in my use cases, it fits. I just used sarcasm to refute said statement. Regards. for people who do like to have /var or /usr on seperate partitions and don't want to use initrd, Poetteringco are a nightmare. They are anti-choice. Gentoo is about choice. Your choice is in line with Poettering's way to do things. Good for you. But it is not mine. I never said or implied otherwise. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México Hello, Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user folder... Thanks. -- Cr0k crok.r...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote: Hello, Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user folder... Thanks. -- Cr0k crok.r...@gmail.com Can you learn to trim? ;) What is the problem? You need to be a bit more specific. -- Happy Penguin Gymnastics ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ ad...@happypenguingymnastics.com 662-321-7009 http://happypenguingymnastics.com/ FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
On 2012-11-13 04:20, Dale wrote: Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. Beautiful news indeed! Thanks for the heads up Dale! I wonder what they will name it tho. They could name it whatever they want, I don't really care, as long as it works as it should... :-) Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:45:11 -0600 Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote: Hello, Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user folder... Thanks. -- Cr0k crok.r...@gmail.com Can you learn to trim? ;) What is the problem? You need to be a bit more specific. Here we go again, this one comes up about once a year :-) It's the tired old Reply-To munging considered harmful vs Reply-To munging considered harmful - the opposing view debate. Canek replied to sender with cc: to the list whereas list mails have Reply-To set to the list, so he's in the latter category. Personally I prefer the former, but there's no easy solution and no sane default either (both views have equal pros and cons IMHO) The solution I recommend to folks is to bypass the entire problem altogether as senders are free to address their mails however they like and resist being told how to do it different to suit someone else (especially 3rd parties) I filter by List-* header, which is rather reliable. As opposed to using To: and From: and all those other unreliable things. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb Bruce Hill: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote: Hello, Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user folder... Thanks. Can you learn to trim? ;) What is the problem? You need to be a bit more specific. just compare Canek's mails with any other. Look at the code, the raw message and you will see... differences. -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb Bruce Hill: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote: Hello, Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user folder... Thanks. Can you learn to trim? ;) What is the problem? You need to be a bit more specific. just compare Canek's mails with any other. Look at the code, the raw message and you will see... differences. I just hit reply in GMail, as always. I don't know why it would be any difference. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 16:57:14 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb Bruce Hill: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote: Hello, Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user folder... Thanks. Can you learn to trim? ;) What is the problem? You need to be a bit more specific. just compare Canek's mails with any other. Look at the code, the raw message and you will see... differences. I just hit reply in GMail, as always. I don't know why it would be any difference. look at the message code of the mail Crok reacted to and compare it with some others - even by you. List-id and other things are missing... List-Post: mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org List-Help: mailto:gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Subscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail gentoo-user.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org this whole block is just not there. So whatever you did it was different from the other times you just hit reply... -- #163933
[gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
Sounds like it could be a hardware issue. Does it do the same thing inside Windows? It might be overheating. Check for dust and proper cpu/powersupply fan operation. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Willie matthews.wil...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:42:45PM -0800, Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. Can you put app-admin/mcelog in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords and emerge it? It's maintainer wanted right now, so the only way to get the updated software is ~arch. This will give you /var/log/mcelog ... atm I'm on meds and can't remember the specifics to set it up ... man mcelog will help. You can dmesg | grep -i mce now and see if there are any MCE errors. -- Happy Penguin Gymnastics ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ ad...@happypenguingymnastics.com 662-321-7009 http://happypenguingymnastics.com/ FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com mailto:matthews.wil...@gmail.com Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed? I know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especially in the winter. Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple hundred rpms. The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed. It seems to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself. Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has to be some setting in Linux. I wouldn't think it would be the kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting off. Do you have lm-sensors installed? I think it has the ability to do this sort of thing. That would be IF this is causing the problem to begin with. ;-) I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There can be a lot of causes. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There can be a lot of causes. RAM failure could be another one, which could randomly vanish for a while when using another memory layout (like in using another operating system). So, I'd suggest to boot up a memory tester and let it run over night. Sascha
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
Sascha Cunz wrote: I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There can be a lot of causes. RAM failure could be another one, which could randomly vanish for a while when using another memory layout (like in using another operating system). So, I'd suggest to boot up a memory tester and let it run over night. Sascha That's a good one. We all know Linux will cache stuff in ram until it runs out. If there is a bad stick of ram, even on the higher generally unused part in windoze, Linux will eventually use it and cause some sort of issue. Wouldn't that cause a hard lock up tho? That has been my experience in the past. That could have changed tho. It's been a good while since I ran into bad ram like this. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
The same thing doesn't happen in Windows. So I am sure it is not over heating. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Andrew Hoffman andy.hoffma...@gmail.comwrote: Sounds like it could be a hardware issue. Does it do the same thing inside Windows? It might be overheating. Check for dust and proper cpu/powersupply fan operation. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Willie matthews.wil...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On 13 November 2012 15:08, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 16:57:14 schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Dienstag, 13. November 2012, 15:45:11 schrieb Bruce Hill: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:26:18PM +0100, Cr0k wrote: Hello, Can't you answer correctly to the mailing lists? Each one of your mails goes into my standard Mailbox, while I did a rule to make it goes to a gentoo-user folder... Thanks. Can you learn to trim? ;) What is the problem? You need to be a bit more specific. just compare Canek's mails with any other. Look at the code, the raw message and you will see... differences. I just hit reply in GMail, as always. I don't know why it would be any difference. look at the message code of the mail Crok reacted to and compare it with some others - even by you. List-id and other things are missing... List-Post: mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org List-Help: mailto:gentoo-user+h...@lists.gentoo.org List-Unsubscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Subscribe: mailto:gentoo-user+subscr...@lists.gentoo.org List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail gentoo-user.gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org this whole block is just not there. I have each of those headers in my version of Canek's email. So it seems it somehow got lost on the way?
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
I will be doing that tonight if I can get it to stay on long enough! :-) On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:42:45PM -0800, Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. Can you put app-admin/mcelog in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords and emerge it? It's maintainer wanted right now, so the only way to get the updated software is ~arch. This will give you /var/log/mcelog ... atm I'm on meds and can't remember the specifics to set it up ... man mcelog will help. You can dmesg | grep -i mce now and see if there are any MCE errors. -- Happy Penguin Gymnastics ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ ad...@happypenguingymnastics.com 662-321-7009 http://happypenguingymnastics.com/ FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
I thought about that one also. I didn't have any errors. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sascha Cunz sascha...@babbelbox.orgwrote: I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There can be a lot of causes. RAM failure could be another one, which could randomly vanish for a while when using another memory layout (like in using another operating system). So, I'd suggest to boot up a memory tester and let it run over night. Sascha -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be about 50 at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it turns off the most. I have been using this computer for years with Windows and Ubuntu Linux and this is the first time it has started to happen. Do you know of any setting in Gentoo that I would need to change for this? On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed? I know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especially in the winter. Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple hundred rpms. The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed. It seems to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself. Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has to be some setting in Linux. I wouldn't think it would be the kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting off. Do you have lm-sensors installed? I think it has the ability to do this sort of thing. That would be IF this is causing the problem to begin with. ;-) I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There can be a lot of causes. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it tried to do real work ... instant off. Try monitoring the temperature. Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies blocking cooling etc. Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it. BillK On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:33 -0800, Willie wrote: I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be about 50 at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it turns off the most. I have been using this computer for years with Windows and Ubuntu Linux and this is the first time it has started to happen. Do you know of any setting in Gentoo that I would need to change for this? On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed? I know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especially in the winter. Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple hundred rpms. The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed. It seems to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself. Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has to be some setting in Linux. I wouldn't think it would be the kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting off. Do you have lm-sensors installed? I think it has the ability to do this sort of thing. That would be IF this is causing the problem to begin with. ;-) I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There can be a lot of causes. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:20:42PM -0600, Dale wrote Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. Might even get me to come back to udev. I wonder which group will be setting the specs as far as the official udev is concerned. The Gentoo devs should seek support from other distros and Linus himself. If we merely make a fork, and the systemd people still have the official version, we'll be doomed to slavishly follow them in bug compatability mode. What happens if/when Lennart gets his way? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html And what we will certainly not do is compromise the uniform integration into systemd for some cosmetic improvements for non-systemd systems. (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can drop that support entirely.) And that's probably not the only thing that the systemd people could do to jerk us around. A successful fork would need to be one that hardware companies release drivers for, and that GNOME/KDE will support. I still think that the fork team should look at where mdev doesn't match udev, and write shims to add the missing functionality. The busybox people obviously don't want to bloat their minimal version. But it already does most of what is needed, so some shims to add missing functionality there would be less effort than an entire udev fork. I wonder what they will name it tho. Howsabout calling it Woodstock? We could even have our own cheer Gimmee an EFF EFF Gimmee an OOO OOO Gimmee an ARR ARR Gimmee a KAY KAY What's that spell? FORK! What's that spell? FORK! What's that spell? FORK! Now all we need is a quarter of a million people screaming in unison. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org I don't run desktop environments; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Bruce Hill da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 04:42:45PM -0800, Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. Can you put app-admin/mcelog in /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords and emerge it? It's maintainer wanted right now, so the only way to get the updated software is ~arch. This will give you /var/log/mcelog ... atm I'm on meds and can't remember the specifics to set it up ... man mcelog will help. You can dmesg | grep -i mce now and see if there are any MCE errors. -- Happy Penguin Gymnastics ') 126 Fenco Drive ( \ Tupelo, MS 38801 ^^ ad...@happypenguingymnastics.com 662-321-7009 http://happypenguingymnastics.com/ FB: http://tiny.cc/HappyPenguinGymnastics Don't top-post: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_post#Top-posting Tried to emerge the application a couple of time. Can't get the computer to stay on long enough to build and install it. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
I will try monitoring the temp tomorrow. It will take me rebuilding the kernel, I know that I left everything for monitoring hardware out. As for the thermal compound. That was all changed yesterday. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 6:51 PM, Bill Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it tried to do real work ... instant off. Try monitoring the temperature. Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies blocking cooling etc. Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it. BillK On Tue, 2012-11-13 at 18:33 -0800, Willie wrote: I think you might be on to something. Here in Vegas it gets to be about 50 at night and I like to have my window open. That is when it turns off the most. I have been using this computer for years with Windows and Ubuntu Linux and this is the first time it has started to happen. Do you know of any setting in Gentoo that I would need to change for this? On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com Do you have a setting somewhere that when a fan gets below a certain speed it shuts down thinking the fan has failed? I know on mine I have to turn that feature off, especially in the winter. Sometimes my fans only turn at a couple hundred rpms. The mobo sometimes thinks the fan has failed. It seems to vary by brand as to what it does when this happens but I suspect something in Linux not the BIOS itself. Since winders works, which is odd unto itself lol, then it has to be some setting in Linux. I wouldn't think it would be the kernel since it usually locks up instead of cutting off. Do you have lm-sensors installed? I think it has the ability to do this sort of thing. That would be IF this is causing the problem to begin with. ;-) I'm sure you will get lots of ideas on this one tho. There can be a lot of causes. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
Bill Kenworthy wrote: There is a thermal safety setting in the kernel somewhere ... it used to do this to me when a cpu heatsink came adrift ... but the cpu had to get quite hot to trigger it (was on an Intel core2) so it was ok until it tried to do real work ... instant off. Try monitoring the temperature. Also, cpu thermal compound/tape can lose its effectiveness on older PC's as well as the usual dust puppies blocking cooling etc. Also, depending on how it is setup, Linux might be running just enough hotter than windows to trigger it. BillK I would add this, when you first boot up, Linux is going to do things that windoze doesn't do so Bill is right. Running things like updatedb is one that I can think of right off the top of my head. Linux seems to make hardware work more than windoze. Modems come to mind. Most of those in windoze are software modems where Linux uses hardware. Most differences can be subtle but make enough of a difference. OP, as to how to watch this, I use gkrellm. Watch temps, fan rpms and such. Heck, even watch drive activity. Maybe you have a driver for the mobo chipset that is generic or something. Maybe there is a setting that makes the kernel think the fans are not spinning and it forces it to die. On my old rig, I had to set up the divisor to 8 instead of 4. When it was set to 4, it would think the fans were no longer spinning because it was below what it could read. Picture a volt meter than can measure from 100 to 140 volts. If you are measuring wires that only have 80 volts, to the meter, it is dead. On my old rig, I had to completely disable the shutdown feature for fans. The temp part worked fine but the fans caused issues, both in BIOS and in the kernel. I have done similar things in my new rig's BIOS. In the winter especially, my fans barely spin. As I type, I have one spinning at 400 rpms and I have the heater on. Later tonight, it will drop to under 300 rpms. That can be hard for some to pick up when that slow. I would see if you have lm-sensors installed. I don't use it since I use the kernel tools directly but a lot of people use that since it can do some things for laptops and such. I think there is a directory in /etc for that package. Maybe something in there needs to be adjusted. If lm-sensors is started as a service, why not remove it and see if that helps. If it stays on, then you know where to look. If it still does it, then you need to move to something else. I hate random things like this. Intermittent problems are like giving a wild cat a bath. It's tough all the way to the end of the job. o_O Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
On 14/11/2012 8:42 AM, Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com mailto:matthews.wil...@gmail.com Willy, Before you rebuild kernels etc, do you have a live CD, sysrescue, Gentoo minimal install, any of the Myth live CD's, lying around? Boot that and see if a bog standard configuration boots and displays the problem. If it gets up and is stable, then there is something in your actual config. If you have sysrescue, sysresccd.org, if it boots and is stable, you can then run a memory tester to see if anything manifests itself. Regards, Andrew
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
On Nov 14, 2012 10:02 AM, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 09:20:42PM -0600, Dale wrote Well, it appears we have someone willing to fork udev. Yeppie !! Me, I'm looking forward to seeing how this works and giving it a test run when it gets ready. Since it is a fork, shouldn't be to long, I hope. Might even get me to come back to udev. I wonder which group will be setting the specs as far as the official udev is concerned. The Gentoo devs should seek support from other distros and Linus himself. If we merely make a fork, and the systemd people still have the official version, we'll be doomed to slavishly follow them in bug compatability mode. What happens if/when Lennart gets his way? http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html And what we will certainly not do is compromise the uniform integration into systemd for some cosmetic improvements for non-systemd systems. (Yes, udev on non-systemd systems is in our eyes a dead end, in case you haven't noticed it yet. I am looking forward to the day when we can drop that support entirely.) And that's probably not the only thing that the systemd people could do to jerk us around. A successful fork would need to be one that hardware companies release drivers for, and that GNOME/KDE will support. I still think that the fork team should look at where mdev doesn't match udev, and write shims to add the missing functionality. The busybox people obviously don't want to bloat their minimal version. But it already does most of what is needed, so some shims to add missing functionality there would be less effort than an entire udev fork. I wonder what they will name it tho. Howsabout calling it Woodstock? We could even have our own cheer Gimmee an EFF EFF Gimmee an OOO OOO Gimmee an ARR ARR Gimmee a KAY KAY What's that spell? FORK! What's that spell? FORK! What's that spell? FORK! Now all we need is a quarter of a million people screaming in unison. LOL Now seriously: You should follow the discussion in -project. Someone (I forgot who exactly) has made a personal commitment to within a month produce a serviceable udev fork, at least a Proof of Concept. And IIRC, hwoarang is going to 'test the waters' with Debian people. So, this is not a pipe dream. It's happening, code will be produced, ... and I bet some people will get offended ;-) Rgds, --
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Andrew Lowe 2505...@curtin.edu.au wrote: On 14/11/2012 8:42 AM, Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com mailto:matthews.willie@gmail.**commatthews.wil...@gmail.com Willy, Before you rebuild kernels etc, do you have a live CD, sysrescue, Gentoo minimal install, any of the Myth live CD's, lying around? Boot that and see if a bog standard configuration boots and displays the problem. If it gets up and is stable, then there is something in your actual config. If you have sysrescue, sysresccd.org, if it boots and is stable, you can then run a memory tester to see if anything manifests itself. Regards, Andrew I tried to reinstall Gentoo twice, both made the computer lose power. I will be running the memory tester tonight when it is time to go to sleep for the night. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Unexpected Power Loss!
Willie wrote: On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 7:38 PM, Andrew Lowe 2505...@curtin.edu.au mailto:2505...@curtin.edu.au wrote: On 14/11/2012 8:42 AM, Willie wrote: Hey Everyone, I have been dealing with this problem for awhile now. It seems that whenever I am in Linux my computer will just turn off. Not shutdown like I did shutdown -r now. Just completely off out of the blue at random times. I have been reading the logs but there is nothing helpful at all. It is never the same thing on the logs when it does just shutdown. Sometime I can boot up and it will go off when it says Waiting for udev events to finish or something like that. I haven't done any major upgrades in awhile, there is really nothing different. I installed Windows last night to see if it is a hardware thing but nope it stays on. I also tried reinstalling Gentoo on a couple of occasions on another Hard Drive but it just shutdown while I was getting it done. Any help is greatly appreciated. I really don't want to be in Windows after I spent all that time customizing my XFCE4 desktop. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com mailto:matthews.wil...@gmail.com mailto:matthews.wil...@gmail.com mailto:matthews.wil...@gmail.com Willy, Before you rebuild kernels etc, do you have a live CD, sysrescue, Gentoo minimal install, any of the Myth live CD's, lying around? Boot that and see if a bog standard configuration boots and displays the problem. If it gets up and is stable, then there is something in your actual config. If you have sysrescue, sysresccd.org http://sysresccd.org, if it boots and is stable, you can then run a memory tester to see if anything manifests itself. Regards, Andrew I tried to reinstall Gentoo twice, both made the computer lose power. I will be running the memory tester tonight when it is time to go to sleep for the night. -- Willie Matthews matthews.wil...@gmail.com mailto:matthews.wil...@gmail.com Did it ever give you problems during the install? I assume you were booted from some sort of CD/DVD/USB stick or something Linux. If it runs fine from one of those, then it is certainly something to do with the install. It could be a LOT of things and you already have plenty to try. I think what people are trying to do is figure out if it is hardware or something else. It sounds like hardware is OK but running memtest overnight would be a good idea. Oh the possibilities. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Fwd: [gentoo-project] With regard to udev stabilization
Pandu Poluan wrote: LOL Now seriously: You should follow the discussion in -project. Someone (I forgot who exactly) has made a personal commitment to within a month produce a serviceable udev fork, at least a Proof of Concept. And IIRC, hwoarang is going to 'test the waters' with Debian people. So, this is not a pipe dream. It's happening, code will be produced, ... and I bet some people will get offended ;-) Rgds, -- I'm sure some will be offended but it's no different when we heard about the change that was coming. A lot of us were not happy then either. Thing is, we now have two paths. One that keeps the FHS like it was with a separate /usr if we like and one where you have to have /usr on / or use a initramfs thingy. Now both can be happy while this idea gets tested. If the way udev is going flops, then they will come back. If udev works out for a lot of people, we will have two ways to do things. I think at some point, the new way will hit a road block and things will break, maybe not for binary distros but for others. When that time comes, they will have to try to figure out a way to get things back to the way they were. Time will tell tho. I'm just glad to see the project getting started. Test both ways and see which one works out best. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] uefi gpt grub2
Re , j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk said: I followed the Gentoo wiki and Arch wiki and several other sources of which I failed miserably. Is this technology fairly unreliable? I booted from a uefi enabled usb stick but still fell over. Is this ready for mainstream or still alpha like? FWIW I hate grub2. ;) I'm a big fan syslinux/extlinux. But recent Linux kernels can be compiled as UEFI apps, thus don't need a boot loader (e.g. grub2) at all (in theory). -- Keith -- -- ~ Keith Dart ke...@dartworks.biz public key: ID: 19017044 http://www.dartworks.biz/ =
