Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?
On 27/08/2013 04:06, »Q« wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:02:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/08/2013 03:52, »Q« wrote: I doubt your wiki page idea will work, it will be just accurate enough to look like it might work and just inaccurate enough to be useless. Which brings you back to the previous paragraph - try emerge nvidia-drivers and if it fails then don't use that kernel. I was unclear to the point of being misleading. I'm sorry. The wiki idea is only for a page which tells which kernel/nvidia-drivers combinations the Gentoo nvidia-drivers maintainers support. And by support, I mean they'll look into bugs and fix build problems if they're able to. This is exactly the info I'm grepping out of ewarn messages in their ebuilds now. That list is the list of kernels that nVidia supports, which is easy to find. Where? AIUI from reading various threads about this, sometimes that info can be found in nVidia's developer web forum, but I've never been able to find it there. nVidia's READMEs give a minimum kernel version, but no max. So ask nVidia to clearly and unambiguously state in an easily found place what kernels *they* support. Look, all issues with building the driver shim are directly the responsibility of nVidia themselves, a result of *their* business decisions. The correct thing to do is to make it nVidia's problem and not force the community to jump through hoops trying to track down what does and does not work today. Or, you could do the heavy lifting yourself. You test all current drivers with all recent kernels and maintain a gentoo wiki page that lists the info you want. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 04:04, Thomas Mueller wrote: On the issue of whether ZFS can be shipped with the Linux kernel, FreeBSD includes ZFS with the kernel, binary and source. So does that mean it would be OK for Linux too? No. FreeBSD has a different license (BSD) than Linux (GPL 2 or 3). Please read file COPYING in the kernel sources, the Linux kernel ships with license GPL-2 Not a later version at your choice (2.x) and certainly never GPL-3 The issue is that the Linux kernel devs consider the license terms for ZFS to be incompatible with GPL-2.0 and therefore ZFS cannot be redistributed as a Linux kernel module. There's nothing in the GPL-2 to stop you as a user from building and running ZFS on Linux, as GPL does not interfere with your right to run whatever you wish. The GPL only kicks in when code is redistributed. The BSD license has none of these conditions, in layman terms that license essentially says you can take this code and pretty much do with it whatever you want, we don't care I am not a lawyer! Tom -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 26/08/2013 23:37, Joerg Schilling wrote: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 19:30:05 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: The licensing conflict means that would not be possible. You have the install the kernel source and then merge in the ZFS source yourself, it can't be done for you and distributed. Why do you believe this? ZFS id doubtlessly an own work independent from the rest of the Linux kernel and for this reason, adding ZFS just creates a collective work that is not affected by the GPL. But the CCDL licence of ZFS precludes its being distributed with the kernel. At least, that's how I understand it and the fact that no distro distributes a ZFS-enabled kernel makes me believe it is true. Did you ever read the CDDL? People who believe that there is a problem use a wrong interpretation of the GPL. The CDDL definitely does not prevent combinations with other software. The problem is not with CDDL, the problem is with the GPL. ZFS in the kernel requires that ZFS as shipped be relicensed as GPL, it forms a derivative work of the kernel. No external license can change the terms of the GPL. Admittedly this gets murky due to XFS. But the clincher would appear to be that Oracle own ZFS and also distribute a branded RedHat derivative distro. To the best of my knowledge Oracle themselves do not ship a ZFS-enabled kernel. Surely, as the owners of the code and with a large dev team, Oracle themselves could solve this issue by doing just that? But they haven't done so. Especially as ZFS is production-ready today whereas the competing btrfs is not. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
Am 26.08.2013 20:11, schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, Michael, thanks for you reply. Please forgive me for not having mentioned grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install. The mentioned grub.cfg was a sample from a working system, with legacy grub:0, from which I have recovered parts of the kernel command line parameters. After genkernel finished to build the kernel, I've issued: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg grub2-install /dev/sda Sorry for this. Francisco On a failed boot, can you reach the rescue system from the initramfs? (The message is something like enter password for rescue or ctrl+d) If so, are you able mount your actual root partiton (sda5) manually? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. It looks like openrc is supporting some version of this, but not very well documented at all except they refer you to some man page as of a certain date. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/08/2013 04:06, »Q« wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:02:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/08/2013 03:52, »Q« wrote: I doubt your wiki page idea will work, it will be just accurate enough to look like it might work and just inaccurate enough to be useless. Which brings you back to the previous paragraph - try emerge nvidia-drivers and if it fails then don't use that kernel. I was unclear to the point of being misleading. I'm sorry. The wiki idea is only for a page which tells which kernel/nvidia-drivers combinations the Gentoo nvidia-drivers maintainers support. And by support, I mean they'll look into bugs and fix build problems if they're able to. This is exactly the info I'm grepping out of ewarn messages in their ebuilds now. That list is the list of kernels that nVidia supports, which is easy to find. Where? AIUI from reading various threads about this, sometimes that info can be found in nVidia's developer web forum, but I've never been able to find it there. nVidia's READMEs give a minimum kernel version, but no max. So ask nVidia to clearly and unambiguously state in an easily found place what kernels *they* support. Look, all issues with building the driver shim are directly the responsibility of nVidia themselves, a result of *their* business decisions. The correct thing to do is to make it nVidia's problem and not force the community to jump through hoops trying to track down what does and does not work today. Or, you could do the heavy lifting yourself. You test all current drivers with all recent kernels and maintain a gentoo wiki page that lists the info you want. Hmm... reading this thread makes me understand why Linus gave nVidia 'the bird'. Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?
On 27/08/2013 09:14, Pandu Poluan wrote: That list is the list of kernels that nVidia supports, which is easy to find. Where? AIUI from reading various threads about this, sometimes that info can be found in nVidia's developer web forum, but I've never been able to find it there. nVidia's READMEs give a minimum kernel version, but no max. So ask nVidia to clearly and unambiguously state in an easily found place what kernels *they* support. Look, all issues with building the driver shim are directly the responsibility of nVidia themselves, a result of *their* business decisions. The correct thing to do is to make it nVidia's problem and not force the community to jump through hoops trying to track down what does and does not work today. Or, you could do the heavy lifting yourself. You test all current drivers with all recent kernels and maintain a gentoo wiki page that lists the info you want. Hmm... reading this thread makes me understand why Linus gave nVidia 'the bird'. I'm not so sure. I can understand nVidia's position. They make and sell hardware. They want their stuff to run on as many things as possible. They also have a huge codebase driven mostly by the primary OS of their users - Windows. Maintaining that is a large job so they'd like to re-use the bulk of it across all OSes. Business-wise this does make sense. But it does mean that they have to drop support for much built-in goodness on Linux (KMS, shipped OpenGL and more) and provide that bit themselves. No biggy - they have it all already for Windows. The kernel shim module is GPL'ed, but not in mainline, and there's this little thing about the Linux kernel - the famous stable api nonsense. So they are forever playing catch-up, and the kernel DOES rip out huge chunks of the api as and when needed. So what's nVidia to do? By and large their support for X11 is pretty good, and I've seen much worse. Yes, they are behind current kernel releases. No, they are not years behind. For the most part their code keeps up with the major binary distros. To those users who want to run whatever kernel Linux shipped today and expect nVidia to always keep up, I have an answer: get real people. nvidia support Linux, they never promised to keep up with Linus. Why do users think they have a right to demand something from a vendor that the vendor never promised to do? Why do some users think it correct and proper to demand the Gentoo maintainers jump through hoops to provide functionality that nVidia never promised, for versions they do not support *yet*? Seriously, to all the nVidia dumpers (not you Pandu), get a life people and get real. You bought hardware knowing full well what the conditions for drivers were going to be. The vendor does an OK job in the market place and if you don't like that, well that's tough. Buy different hardware. But don't expect entities to do stuff they never agreed to do. To Gentoo users who dump on this matter, when you installed Gentoo you implicitly agreed to be your own packager. There is no PPA or Yum repo and there's no paid staff member building packages. The work the packager does for Ubuntu and RedHat is now you now have to do yourself, and part of that is dealing with the times when shit don't work. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote: On the issue of whether ZFS can be shipped with the Linux kernel, FreeBSD includes ZFS with the kernel, binary and source. So does that mean it would be OK for Linux too? FreeBSD has a different license (BSD) than Linux (GPL 2 or 3). For FreeBSD, things are less easy than for Linux. FreeBSD comes with a license that gives real freedom and the CDDL being copyleft, is a license that intentionally limits the freedom a bit in order to achieve other benefits. The GPL limits freedom in a way far beyond what the CDDl does. Adding code (ZFS) that gives more freedom than the base project (Linux) is easy... It however was a real challenge for me to convince the FreeBSD people in early 2006 to add something to their code that reduces the freedom of the FreeBSD project. I succeeded because I could explain them that ZFS is not code that is _needed_ in order to run FreeBSD - you just could use their UFS variant instead. The same arguments worked for integrating DTrace into FreeBSD. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Can I use the d action to change the permissions of an existing directory and if not, how can I do this? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is that the Linux kernel devs consider the license terms for ZFS to be incompatible with GPL-2.0 and therefore ZFS cannot be redistributed as a Linux kernel module. Isn't it strange that those people seem to have less problems with closed source than with a license that gives more freedom than the GPL? But you are correct that the problem seem to be humans and not a license text. There's nothing in the GPL-2 to stop you as a user from building and running ZFS on Linux, as GPL does not interfere with your right to run whatever you wish. The GPL only kicks in when code is redistributed. There is nothing non-void in the GPL that stops you from distributing binaries. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: People who believe that there is a problem use a wrong interpretation of the GPL. The CDDL definitely does not prevent combinations with other software. The problem is not with CDDL, the problem is with the GPL. ZFS in the kernel requires that ZFS as shipped be relicensed as GPL, it forms a derivative work of the kernel. No external license can change the terms of the GPL. The law can! The GPL is in conflict with the law and therefore the parts you have in mind are just void. BTW: I am still waiting for a legally acceptable explanation on why the GPL should be compatible to the BSD license. Note that the BSD license is very liberal, but it definitely does not permit to relicense code that was published under the BSD license withour written permission of the Copyright holder. So is the problem just a social problem given the fact that Linux comes with BSD licensed parts? Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
[gentoo-user] PMTUD
How is PMTUD enabled/disabled on Gentoo? I've recently been made aware of the existence of MTU and I'm wondering if mine is set properly for a cell phone tethered connection. - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 09:59, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: People who believe that there is a problem use a wrong interpretation of the GPL. The CDDL definitely does not prevent combinations with other software. The problem is not with CDDL, the problem is with the GPL. ZFS in the kernel requires that ZFS as shipped be relicensed as GPL, it forms a derivative work of the kernel. No external license can change the terms of the GPL. The law can! The GPL is in conflict with the law and therefore the parts you have in mind are just void. Which law is the GPL in conflict with, and in which jurisdiction, and what is the extent of the conflict? To the best of my knowledge, what you claim has not been tested in a court of law with jurisdiction, and is not a matter of law. Until that happens, it is an untested legal opinion and as we know, opinions can vary. The kernel devs have their position, you have yours. In this case, the opinion of the kernel devs is the one that carries as they control what does and does not ship. BTW: I am still waiting for a legally acceptable explanation on why the GPL should be compatible to the BSD license. Note that the BSD license is very liberal, but it definitely does not permit to relicense code that was published under the BSD license withour written permission of the Copyright holder. There is no requirement that the GPL should be compatible with the BSD license. The GPL only requires that derivative works comply with the terms of the GPL. If BSD code is shipped with GPL code and the BSD code is the derivative work, the BSD license does not demand that the code be published. However, the GPL does so the entire codebase is published under the terms of the GPL. Thus the conditions of both licenses are satisfied, and no relicensing is involved. So is the problem just a social problem given the fact that Linux comes with BSD licensed parts? I don't follow your reasoning here. How does the BSD license affect CDDL code in this case? Jörg -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 09:53, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The issue is that the Linux kernel devs consider the license terms for ZFS to be incompatible with GPL-2.0 and therefore ZFS cannot be redistributed as a Linux kernel module. Isn't it strange that those people seem to have less problems with closed source than with a license that gives more freedom than the GPL? But you are correct that the problem seem to be humans and not a license text. You are aware that the GPL was not really intended to be used together with other licenses? It was really intended to create an entire operating system, all of which was 100% licensed as GPL, all of which comprise an original work written from scratch Stallman never makes this claim as bluntly as I've said it here, but it's the only intelligent reading of his intent as far as I can make out. This is why so many arguments arise over the GPL, the wording of that license was not really intended to have it co-exist with other licenses. That's how I see it anyway. There's nothing in the GPL-2 to stop you as a user from building and running ZFS on Linux, as GPL does not interfere with your right to run whatever you wish. The GPL only kicks in when code is redistributed. There is nothing non-void in the GPL that stops you from distributing binaries. That's a question of packaging and bundling, which is not covered by the GPL. But kernel code and kernel modules are not mere bundles, they are derivative works by virtue of how tightly they integrate with the kernel, and how the code can only ever run unchanged on Linux. That is how ZFS as a fuse module works, no license issues with the kernel there at all. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The law can! The GPL is in conflict with the law and therefore the parts you have in mind are just void. Which law is the GPL in conflict with, and in which jurisdiction, and what is the extent of the conflict? The GPL is in conflict with US Copyright law Section 17 Paragraph 106. In Europe, the law on business conditions apply and allow the licensee to chose his best interpretation in case of To the best of my knowledge, what you claim has not been tested in a court of law with jurisdiction, and is not a matter of law. Until that happens, it is an untested legal opinion and as we know, opinions can vary. There is no need to test something so obvious in court. A license is not allowed to redefine the definition of what a derivative work is and the problem with the GPL only exists in case the GPL succeeds to redefine the lawful definition of a drivative work. The kernel devs have their position, you have yours. In this case, the opinion of the kernel devs is the one that carries as they control what does and does not ship. While I am quoting the papers from lawyers (Determann, Rosen, Gordon) you are quoting laymen. Note that Lothar Determan is professor of law at Freie Univerität Berlin _and_ the university of San Francisco. BTW: I am still waiting for a legally acceptable explanation on why the GPL should be compatible to the BSD license. Note that the BSD license is very liberal, but it definitely does not permit to relicense code that was published under the BSD license withour written permission of the Copyright holder. There is no requirement that the GPL should be compatible with the BSD license. The GPL only requires that derivative works comply with the terms of the GPL. The GPL requires to relicense the whole work under the GPL and this is not permitted for code under the BSD license. If BSD code is shipped with GPL code and the BSD code is the derivative work, the BSD license does not demand that the code be published. However, the GPL does so the entire codebase is published under the terms of the GPL. Thus the conditions of both licenses are satisfied, and no relicensing is involved. If the Linux kernel uses the BSD code, it is the Linux kernel that has become the derivative work. Note that you cannot publishe the entire codebase under GPL as parts are under BSD license already. So is the problem just a social problem given the fact that Linux comes with BSD licensed parts? I don't follow your reasoning here. How does the BSD license affect CDDL code in this case? It demonstrates that the Linux kernel people do not really honor the GPL and I see no difference between adding code under BSD compared to code under CDDL. Both licenses do not allow relicensing without written permission of the Copyright owner. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it strange that those people seem to have less problems with closed source than with a license that gives more freedom than the GPL? But you are correct that the problem seem to be humans and not a license text. You are aware that the GPL was not really intended to be used together with other licenses? It was really intended to create an entire operating system, all of which was 100% licensed as GPL, all of which comprise an original work written from scratch But it has been proven that you cannot create a 100% GPL OS. More than 50% of all Linux distros are under different licenses... Stallman never makes this claim as bluntly as I've said it here, but it's the only intelligent reading of his intent as far as I can make out. This is why so many arguments arise over the GPL, the wording of that license was not really intended to have it co-exist with other licenses. Stallman does not look at reality. The first GCC version in 1986 has been published under something I call GPLv0 and this license did not permit a legal use of the GCC in public. The license was later converted to GPLv1 by using proposals I made but Stallman still only talks about what has been in GPLv0. There is nothing non-void in the GPL that stops you from distributing binaries. That's a question of packaging and bundling, which is not covered by the GPL. But kernel code and kernel modules are not mere bundles, they are derivative works by virtue of how tightly they integrate with the kernel, and how the code can only ever run unchanged on Linux. If a kernel uses ZFS, you have to decide on whether the kernel is a derivative work of ZFS or whether just a collective work exists. _Using_ ZFS definitely does not make ZFS a derivative work. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it strange that those people seem to have less problems with closed source than with a license that gives more freedom than the GPL? But you are correct that the problem seem to be humans and not a license text. You are aware that the GPL was not really intended to be used together with other licenses? It was really intended to create an entire operating system, all of which was 100% licensed as GPL, all of which comprise an original work written from scratch But it has been proven that you cannot create a 100% GPL OS. More than 50% of all Linux distros are under different licenses... Sorry, this should be: More than 50% of a typical Linux distro is under different licenses... Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about java SDK ebuilds for linux
Am 2013-08-26 18:40, schrieb James: Wolfgang Liebich wolfgang.liebich at siemens-enterprise.com writes: Hi, I'm using GENTOO linux as development platform for Java applications. JAVA 8 is not officially out there, but still I would like to start testing it, and there are early access downloads at the oracle website. Checkout project sunrise and then other overlay sites for early offerings... Is there something like a comprehensive guide to the overlays, or a overlay search engine? I looked around in some of the JAVA overlays, but they look rather dated (or contain only java based application's ebuilds). Furthermore, the ebuilds for the IBM JDKs seem to be somewhat abandoned - is there an build for the ibm jdk V7 available somewhere? I did not find anything (yet)... IMHO, JAVA get's a bad rap in the open source world for a variety, sometimes very good, reasons. What JAVA on gentoo lacks is devoted afficionado team to keep up with supporting JAVA on Gentoo... There was a JAVA project for gentoo, but it seems quite dead. The wiki pages refer to the transition to JAVA 5, was...well... some time ago :-) This is a pity, though, as the java-config mechanism is really very useful. YMMV, hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 26.08.2013 20:11, schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, Michael, thanks for you reply. Please forgive me for not having mentioned grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install. The mentioned grub.cfg was a sample from a working system, with legacy grub:0, from which I have recovered parts of the kernel command line parameters. After genkernel finished to build the kernel, I've issued: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg grub2-install /dev/sda Sorry for this. Francisco On a failed boot, can you reach the rescue system from the initramfs? (The message is something like enter password for rescue or ctrl+d) If so, are you able mount your actual root partiton (sda5) manually? No, unfortunately. But I am able to use the grub console prior to boot. By doing so, I have listed the command about to be used to boot the first entry in the grub menu, it installs some modules. In regard of file systems, it only loads a ext2 module, and the root partition is ext4 formated. Although this kernel has ext2, ext3 and ext4 built in (not modules), can this be a cue? Right now I am preparing to format the root partition as ext2, just to check this out. Thanks again Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com: In regard of file systems, it only loads a ext2 module, and the root partition is ext4 formated. Although this kernel has ext2, ext3 and ext4 built in (not modules), can this be a cue? Right now I am preparing to format the root partition as ext2, just to check this out. Well, GRUB modules are *GRUB* modules, that is, they're there only for GRUB to be able to understand your partition table and read your filesystems. After successfully reading the kernel into memory and passing control to it, they're not relevant any more, so you really don't have to reformat /. Instead, focus on your initramfs as the error shows some inconsistency between the expected and actual initramfs content. Also that last line seems to come from initramfs, based on its appearance (unlike dmesg lines). You may understand your problem better there. Hope that helps.
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 26.08.2013 20:11, schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, Michael, thanks for you reply. Please forgive me for not having mentioned grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install. The mentioned grub.cfg was a sample from a working system, with legacy grub:0, from which I have recovered parts of the kernel command line parameters. After genkernel finished to build the kernel, I've issued: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg grub2-install /dev/sda Sorry for this. Francisco On a failed boot, can you reach the rescue system from the initramfs? (The message is something like enter password for rescue or ctrl+d) If so, are you able mount your actual root partiton (sda5) manually? No, unfortunately. But I am able to use the grub console prior to boot. By doing so, I have listed the command about to be used to boot the first entry in the grub menu, it installs some modules. In regard of file systems, it only loads a ext2 module, and the root partition is ext4 formated. Although this kernel has ext2, ext3 and ext4 built in (not modules), can this be a cue? Right now I am preparing to format the root partition as ext2, just to check this out. Thanks again Francisco It didn't work, so I suppose the embedded ext2, ext3 and ext4 in the kernel is not the issue, and might be working. Going to explore the grub console now. Thanks Francisco
[gentoo-user] {OT} DNS: no SOA record or DNSSEC
I use a fairly well-known (free) DNS provider. I just checked my DNS settings at dnscheck.pingdom.com and I got: 1. No SOA record was found when querying the name server. This is most probably due to a misconfiguration at the name server - a zone must have a SOA record. 2. Nameserver * does not do DNSSEC extra processing. Are either of these something to worry about? - Grant
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Ummm... I didn't suggest that ZFS be shipped with or distributed with the kernel... I was talking about some kind of overlay or patch system, where I could add zfs to my kernel use flag, and it would pull the gentoo-sources from wherver it pulls them, and pul;l the patch from a *separate*/*different* source/location, and then put the patch where it needs to go to be properly compiled into the kernel. Again, the overlay would *not* contain or provide the kernel sources, only the zfs 'patch'. I don't see a problem with that. On 2013-08-26 10:04 PM, Thomas Mueller mueller6...@bellsouth.net wrote: On the issue of whether ZFS can be shipped with the Linux kernel, FreeBSD includes ZFS with the kernel, binary and source. So does that mean it would be OK for Linux too? FreeBSD has a different license (BSD) than Linux (GPL 2 or 3). I am not a lawyer! Tom
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Wang Xuerui idontknw.w...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com: In regard of file systems, it only loads a ext2 module, and the root partition is ext4 formated. Although this kernel has ext2, ext3 and ext4 built in (not modules), can this be a cue? Right now I am preparing to format the root partition as ext2, just to check this out. Well, GRUB modules are *GRUB* modules, that is, they're there only for GRUB to be able to understand your partition table and read your filesystems. After successfully reading the kernel into memory and passing control to it, they're not relevant any more, so you really don't have to reformat /. Instead, focus on your initramfs as the error shows some inconsistency between the expected and actual initramfs content. Also that last line seems to come from initramfs, based on its appearance (unlike dmesg lines). You may understand your problem better there. Hope that helps. Thanks for your reply, Wang You are probably right, because using the grub console interface, it was possible to mount any other partitions using commands like root=(hd0,msdos5) I have used genkernel to build both the kernel and the initramfs, so I don't know what could be wrong. In fact, I have never tried to build my own initramfs. Any hints on how to diagnose a initramfs? AFAIK it is a filesystem. How can I mount it to check its contents? Thanks again, Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 26.08.2013 20:11, schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, Michael, thanks for you reply. Please forgive me for not having mentioned grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install. The mentioned grub.cfg was a sample from a working system, with legacy grub:0, from which I have recovered parts of the kernel command line parameters. After genkernel finished to build the kernel, I've issued: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg grub2-install /dev/sda Sorry for this. Francisco On a failed boot, can you reach the rescue system from the initramfs? (The message is something like enter password for rescue or ctrl+d) If so, are you able mount your actual root partiton (sda5) manually? No, unfortunately. But I am able to use the grub console prior to boot. By doing so, I have listed the command about to be used to boot the first entry in the grub menu, it installs some modules. In regard of file systems, it only loads a ext2 module, and the root partition is ext4 formated. Although this kernel has ext2, ext3 and ext4 built in (not modules), can this be a cue? Right now I am preparing to format the root partition as ext2, just to check this out. Thanks again Francisco It didn't work, so I suppose the embedded ext2, ext3 and ext4 in the kernel is not the issue, and might be working. Going to explore the grub console now. Thanks Francisco In the grub console, prior to boot, I was able to mount any partition using commands like: root=(hd0,msdos5) and then listing the directory tree structure with ls / gave the expected results. Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 2013-08-26 2:23 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I run it on my NASes, and the thing that really sold me was what it lets me as the admin do: I get all the benefits of directories with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of mount points with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of discrete filesystems with none of the downsides. Like you say, a truly modern fs built for modern needs. Are these home-built NAS's running FreeBSD (or maybe FreeNAS)? Or TrueNAS or Nexenta boxes? I'm wondering what the best way would be to get something set up for ZFS file storage. I have some older servers that I can use, so was leaning toward FreeNAS...
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 13:36, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-26 2:23 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I run it on my NASes, and the thing that really sold me was what it lets me as the admin do: I get all the benefits of directories with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of mount points with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of discrete filesystems with none of the downsides. Like you say, a truly modern fs built for modern needs. Are these home-built NAS's running FreeBSD (or maybe FreeNAS)? Or TrueNAS or Nexenta boxes? I'm wondering what the best way would be to get something set up for ZFS file storage. I have some older servers that I can use, so was leaning toward FreeNAS... Mine are HP mini-servers (the cube shaped ones) with 4 SATA bays running FreeNAS 8.0.something. Dunno if you've worked with FreeNAS before, but it's literally a case of write the image to USB or flash storage and boot off it. Then play. You will need to be able to boot off a USB stick, CF card or similar, FreeNAS uses an entire drive for it's system partition and it's a shame to waste a whole high-capacity disk just for a 2G system image -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} DNS: no SOA record or DNSSEC
On 27/08/2013 12:30, Grant wrote: I use a fairly well-known (free) DNS provider. I just checked my DNS settings at dnscheck.pingdom.com and I got: 1. No SOA record was found when querying the name server. This is most probably due to a misconfiguration at the name server - a zone must have a SOA record. 2. Nameserver * does not do DNSSEC extra processing. Are either of these something to worry about? Yes. Without an SOA record you don't actually have a zone. You should stop using those crappy dns checker sites, they tend to be full of shit, unreliable and operate off someone's idea of how DNS should be instead of reading the actual RFCs on the matter. Our abuse team has long ticket lists from people trusting those sites and now think there's something with how we do glue. Hint: Our glue is right and proper :-) Instead just use dig, using google.com as an example get the NS records first: $ dig ns google.com +short ns3.google.com. ns2.google.com. ns1.google.com. ns4.google.com. Then query each of those name server in turn directly for the SOA: $ dig soa google.com +short @ns3.google.com ns1.google.com. dns-admin.google.com. 2013081400 7200 1800 1209600 300 That's a correct SOA record. What could have happened with that test site is the query timed out and the site assumed the universe was therefore about to explode. Use such if you want but always verify the results yourself using dig. The DNSSEC message is not a problem. It means your provider does not use DNSSEC. Again, the universe will not explode from this, we all got along just fine with plain unsigned DNS transfers for 30 years. DNSSEC is a way to digitally sign zone transfers and updates. Nothing to do with zone resolution. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 2013-08-27 7:42 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/08/2013 13:36, Tanstaafl wrote: I'm wondering what the best way would be to get something set up for ZFS file storage. I have some older servers that I can use, so was leaning toward FreeNAS... Mine are HP mini-servers (the cube shaped ones) with 4 SATA bays running FreeNAS 8.0.something. Dunno if you've worked with FreeNAS before, but it's literally a case of write the image to USB or flash storage and boot off it. Then play. You will need to be able to boot off a USB stick, CF card or similar, FreeNAS uses an entire drive for it's system partition and it's a shame to waste a whole high-capacity disk just for a 2G system image I haven't worked with it before, but this comment of yours means I soon will be - thanks... :) So, once I have something up and running and fully configured, it is relatively easy to backup the new/running system image, in case the flash drive ever crashes and burns? Thanks Alan, starting to get excited about playing with ZFS. How would you rate their docs and support community (for the free version)? Thanks again Alan Charles
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 26.08.2013 20:11, schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, Michael, thanks for you reply. Please forgive me for not having mentioned grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install. The mentioned grub.cfg was a sample from a working system, with legacy grub:0, from which I have recovered parts of the kernel command line parameters. After genkernel finished to build the kernel, I've issued: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg grub2-install /dev/sda Sorry for this. Francisco On a failed boot, can you reach the rescue system from the initramfs? (The message is something like enter password for rescue or ctrl+d) If so, are you able mount your actual root partiton (sda5) manually? No, unfortunately. But I am able to use the grub console prior to boot. By doing so, I have listed the command about to be used to boot the first entry in the grub menu, it installs some modules. In regard of file systems, it only loads a ext2 module, and the root partition is ext4 formated. Although this kernel has ext2, ext3 and ext4 built in (not modules), can this be a cue? Right now I am preparing to format the root partition as ext2, just to check this out. Thanks again Francisco It didn't work, so I suppose the embedded ext2, ext3 and ext4 in the kernel is not the issue, and might be working. Going to explore the grub console now. Thanks Francisco In the grub console, prior to boot, I was able to mount any partition using commands like: root=(hd0,msdos5) and then listing the directory tree structure with ls / gave the expected results. Francisco I think I might have found it. Although I have selected in the kernel menuconfig to compress the initramfs using gzip and deselected all other decompression forms. a simple file initramfs-xxx told me that it was XZ compressed data, so now I am rebuilding the kernel with all decompression algorithms built in. I will (hope) soon post the results. Thanks, Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:31:05 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote: Any hints on how to diagnose a initramfs? AFAIK it is a filesystem. How can I mount it to check its contents? http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/07/how-to-view-modify-and-recreate-initrd-img/ -- Neil Bothwick Why is the word abbreviation so long? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:33:52 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Ummm... I didn't suggest that ZFS be shipped with or distributed with the kernel... I was talking about some kind of overlay or patch system, where I could add zfs to my kernel use flag, and it would pull the gentoo-sources from wherver it pulls them, and pul;l the patch from a *separate*/*different* source/location, and then put the patch where it needs to go to be properly compiled into the kernel. I already posted the script I use to do exactly that. emerge gentoo-sources run the script I wonder it it would be possible to have the spl and zfs-kmod ebuilds do this with an appropriate USE flag. -- Neil Bothwick Bury a lawyer 12 feet under, because deep down they're nice. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?
On 2013-08-26 11:51 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Then the 6 disks as JBOD and use it within a RAIDZ2 array. Or, 6 disks in JBOD, add them a 3 ZFS mirror vdev's. Where is the best docs for understanding and working with ZFS? RAID types, Best Practices (especially for disaster recovery), etc... Anything I can print out for offline reading/studying? Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 2013-08-27 8:25 AM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 06:33:52 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Ummm... I didn't suggest that ZFS be shipped with or distributed with the kernel... I was talking about some kind of overlay or patch system, where I could add zfs to my kernel use flag, and it would pull the gentoo-sources from wherver it pulls them, and pul;l the patch from a *separate*/*different* source/location, and then put the patch where it needs to go to be properly compiled into the kernel. I already posted the script I use to do exactly that. emerge gentoo-sources run the script I wonder it it would be possible to have the spl and zfs-kmod ebuilds do this with an appropriate USE flag. Thats what I'm looking for... something that is automatic and basically 'just works'. Manually running a script as part of each kernel update just... well, computers do automation best. But thanks very much for your script. I'm just not comfortable (at this point at least) doing it that way on a production system...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Questions about java SDK ebuilds for linux
On 27/08/13 at 12:04pm, Wolfgang Liebich wrote: Am 2013-08-26 18:40, schrieb James: Wolfgang Liebich wolfgang.liebich at siemens-enterprise.com writes: Hi, I'm using GENTOO linux as development platform for Java applications. JAVA 8 is not officially out there, but still I would like to start testing it, and there are early access downloads at the oracle website. Checkout project sunrise and then other overlay sites for early offerings... Is there something like a comprehensive guide to the overlays, or a overlay search engine? I looked around in some of the JAVA overlays, but they look rather dated (or contain only java based application's ebuilds). If you use eix, theres eix-remote which lets you search remote overlays using eix the same way one would use it to search the local portage tree. -- - Yohan Pereira The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and a seal. -- Mark Twain
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 14:05, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-27 7:42 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/08/2013 13:36, Tanstaafl wrote: I'm wondering what the best way would be to get something set up for ZFS file storage. I have some older servers that I can use, so was leaning toward FreeNAS... Mine are HP mini-servers (the cube shaped ones) with 4 SATA bays running FreeNAS 8.0.something. Dunno if you've worked with FreeNAS before, but it's literally a case of write the image to USB or flash storage and boot off it. Then play. You will need to be able to boot off a USB stick, CF card or similar, FreeNAS uses an entire drive for it's system partition and it's a shame to waste a whole high-capacity disk just for a 2G system image I haven't worked with it before, but this comment of yours means I soon will be - thanks... :) So, once I have something up and running and fully configured, it is relatively easy to backup the new/running system image, in case the flash drive ever crashes and burns? It's a small image (100M compressed), so just keep a copy handy somewhere and reflash. The GUI has a function where you can backup the running config, a restore is a simple matter of click restore in the GUI The USBstick/CF card you boot off will keep a copy of the current image and one version back (i.e. the one the current one replaced), so you can boot the old system by pressing F2 if the new one fails for some weird reason. Most of the config is GUI-driven in a browser, a lot but not all options can be set on the CLI. But honestly, it's a file server and you will find that once you set your shares up the way you like you will seldom change stuff. Your main interaction will probably be watching the pretty connectd graphs in a browser For shares you get everything you could possibly need - cifs, nfs (2,3 and 4), iSCSI, FTP, scp, some Apple thing, and tftp and a few more. And rsync! Thanks Alan, starting to get excited about playing with ZFS. How would you rate their docs and support community (for the free version)? Support is top-notch, on par with what you find around here if that helps ;-) Each major.minor version has a .pdf manual published, while the next version is in development, the docs get updated on a wiki and the final version is an export of that. There's a forum with knowledgeable users and the devs hang around just in case regular users can't help with a question. No mailing list though :-( And the forum does have a lot of noise from n00bs, but that's common with web forums. Like on Gentoo, you quickly learn to spot those posts and scan over them. Thanks again Alan Charles -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 2013-08-27 9:03 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Each major.minor version has a .pdf manual published, while the next version is in development, the docs get updated on a wiki and the final version is an export of that. There's a forum with knowledgeable users and the devs hang around just in case regular users can't help with a question. Ok, that brings up another issue... One thing I've always loved about gentoo is it is a rolling release, which means no 'major update' pains to speak of (at least not like binary based distros like redhat etc)... So, have you ever gone through any major system updates, and if so, any issues to speak of? Thanks again for sharing this...
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 15:11, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-27 9:03 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Each major.minor version has a .pdf manual published, while the next version is in development, the docs get updated on a wiki and the final version is an export of that. There's a forum with knowledgeable users and the devs hang around just in case regular users can't help with a question. Ok, that brings up another issue... One thing I've always loved about gentoo is it is a rolling release, which means no 'major update' pains to speak of (at least not like binary based distros like redhat etc)... So, have you ever gone through any major system updates, and if so, any issues to speak of? Thanks again for sharing this... No issues ever whatsoever. An upgrade is almost exactly the same as upgrading firmware on your DSL router or reflashing OpenElec[1]. The longest part is waiting for the NAS to reboot twice and get through whatever your disk controller does at power up :-) Once in the early days I had an incompatible database format for configs and got a message at the start, so I had to do something manually to get past that. But that was long ago. These days the migration script always just dealt with it properly. [1] another awesome project that JustWorks. I'm getting to like these Unix-based appliances that JustWork. if I need to get under the overs and tweak stuff, I can. Most mostly I don't need to :-) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:34:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Where is the best docs for understanding and working with ZFS? There are plenty of links on the zfsforlinux site. -- Neil Bothwick BING But It's Not Google signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?
Am 27.08.2013 14:34, schrieb Tanstaafl: On 2013-08-26 11:51 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: Then the 6 disks as JBOD and use it within a RAIDZ2 array. Or, 6 disks in JBOD, add them a 3 ZFS mirror vdev's. Where is the best docs for understanding and working with ZFS? RAID types, Best Practices (especially for disaster recovery), etc... Anything I can print out for offline reading/studying? Phew, sorry, nothing specific in my mind. Back then I also did a lot of googling, watching youtube-videos of ZFS-speeches, tutorials etc. The Oracle Administration Guide might be a good reference, but dunno about offline availability: http://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/index.html For initial learning purposes you can also build a pool out of files (instead of physical drives) ... just in case. Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:37:54 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: I already posted the script I use to do exactly that. emerge gentoo-sources run the script I wonder it it would be possible to have the spl and zfs-kmod ebuilds do this with an appropriate USE flag. Thats what I'm looking for... something that is automatic and basically 'just works'. Manually running a script as part of each kernel update just... well, computers do automation best. I use a script to configure, build and install new kernels. It's called from there, so it is automatic for me :) But thanks very much for your script. I'm just not comfortable (at this point at least) doing it that way on a production system... That's the recommended way, since the script follows the instructions for merging the modules in the kernel tree and uses the make scripts that come with the sources. It will not mess up your kernel since it only adds code, code that isn't even used until you enable it in the .config. -- Neil Bothwick MACINTOSH: Most Applications Crash; If Not, The Operating System Hangs signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Can I use the d action to change the permissions of an existing directory and if not, how can I do this? I don't think so. The contents of /run (and /var/run before it) are, by definition, used only at run time. They are not intended to be preserved, and they actually should be cleaned from time to time (hence the age field in tmpfiles.d). Therefore tmpfiles.d only deals with creation (and cleaning up) of files/directories, not updating them, since they should not be even present when the system boots up. The files in /etc/tmpfiles.d are used by the systemd-tmpfiles-* units, and (AFAIU) they only create files/directories at boot time, and then only clean afterwards. My /run directory is really empty. When my systems boot up, systemd mounts a tmpfs on it: # mount | grep on /run tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,mode=755) Then the var-run.mount unit binds mount /run into /var/run. So no file/directory there is actually written into any physical disk ever. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 8:53 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:34:38 -0400, Tanstaafl wrote: Where is the best docs for understanding and working with ZFS? There are plenty of links on the zfsforlinux site. on Linux, not for Linux ... http://zfsonlinux.org/ :-) That said, I just discovered the mbuffer trick [1] to speed up ZFS snapshot shipping (my self-made term) from one server to another. Never thought that I'd see the GbE saturated... Of course the Network Admin gave me the evil eye :-P [1] http://blogs.everycity.co.uk/alasdair/2010/07/using-mbuffer-to-speed-up-slow-zfs-send-zfs-receive/ Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ • LOPSA Member #15248 • Blog : http://pepoluan.tumblr.com • Linked-In : http://id.linkedin.com/in/pepoluan
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On 27/08/13 09:24, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. openrc-0.11.8 already had initial tmpfiles support, but it's very buggy however ~arch has now openrc-0.12, you could say, complete tmpfiles support and it's already being used at production level packages like sys-apps/kmod's kmod-static-nodes init script so the same tmpfiles systemd uses, will work fine on openrc-0.12 too, long as tmpfiles.setup is in the boot runlevel... - Samuli
Re: [gentoo-user] PMTUD
On Tuesday 27 Aug 2013 09:10:39 Grant wrote: How is PMTUD enabled/disabled on Gentoo? I've recently been made aware of the existence of MTU and I'm wondering if mine is set properly for a cell phone tethered connection. - Grant # sysctl -A | grep -i pmtu net.ipv4.ip_no_pmtu_disc = 0 net.ipv4.route.min_pmtu = 552 Use echo to change a value as required and then modify your /etc/sysctl.d/ accordingly (first read /etc/sysctl.d/README) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} DNS: no SOA record or DNSSEC
I used to use dlint for this, but the package no longer builds easily - is there any equivalent package as dig is not ideal to find what the problem actually is? BillK On 27/08/13 19:53, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/08/2013 12:30, Grant wrote: I use a fairly well-known (free) DNS provider. I just checked my DNS settings at dnscheck.pingdom.com and I got: 1. No SOA record was found when querying the name server. This is most probably due to a misconfiguration at the name server - a zone must have a SOA record. 2. Nameserver * does not do DNSSEC extra processing. Are either of these something to worry about? Yes. Without an SOA record you don't actually have a zone. You should stop using those crappy dns checker sites, they tend to be full of shit, unreliable and operate off someone's idea of how DNS should be instead of reading the actual RFCs on the matter. Our abuse team has long ticket lists from people trusting those sites and now think there's something with how we do glue. Hint: Our glue is right and proper :-) Instead just use dig, using google.com as an example get the NS records first: $ dig ns google.com +short ns3.google.com. ns2.google.com. ns1.google.com. ns4.google.com. Then query each of those name server in turn directly for the SOA: $ dig soa google.com +short @ns3.google.com ns1.google.com. dns-admin.google.com. 2013081400 7200 1800 1209600 300 That's a correct SOA record. What could have happened with that test site is the query timed out and the site assumed the universe was therefore about to explode. Use such if you want but always verify the results yourself using dig. The DNSSEC message is not a problem. It means your provider does not use DNSSEC. Again, the universe will not explode from this, we all got along just fine with plain unsigned DNS transfers for 30 years. DNSSEC is a way to digitally sign zone transfers and updates. Nothing to do with zone resolution.
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Can I use the d action to change the permissions of an existing directory and if not, how can I do this? I don't think so. The contents of /run (and /var/run before it) are, by definition, used only at run time. They are not intended to be preserved, and they actually should be cleaned from time to time (hence the age field in tmpfiles.d). Therefore tmpfiles.d only deals with creation (and cleaning up) of files/directories, not updating them, since they should not be even present when the system boots up. The files in /etc/tmpfiles.d are used by the systemd-tmpfiles-* units, and (AFAIU) they only create files/directories at boot time, and then only clean afterwards. My /run directory is really empty. When my systems boot up, systemd mounts a tmpfs on it: # mount | grep on /run tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,mode=755) Then the var-run.mount unit binds mount /run into /var/run. So no file/directory there is actually written into any physical disk ever. But I need to change the permissions of /var/lock to 777, if I can't use tmpfiles.d how can I do this? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Can I use the d action to change the permissions of an existing directory and if not, how can I do this? I don't think so. The contents of /run (and /var/run before it) are, by definition, used only at run time. They are not intended to be preserved, and they actually should be cleaned from time to time (hence the age field in tmpfiles.d). Therefore tmpfiles.d only deals with creation (and cleaning up) of files/directories, not updating them, since they should not be even present when the system boots up. The files in /etc/tmpfiles.d are used by the systemd-tmpfiles-* units, and (AFAIU) they only create files/directories at boot time, and then only clean afterwards. My /run directory is really empty. When my systems boot up, systemd mounts a tmpfs on it: # mount | grep on /run tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,mode=755) Then the var-run.mount unit binds mount /run into /var/run. So no file/directory there is actually written into any physical disk ever. But I need to change the permissions of /var/lock to 777, if I can't use tmpfiles.d how can I do this? chmod 777 /var/lock? I don't understand the question. What program do you need that requires universal writing access for /var/lock? In my systems, /var/lock is either bind mounted from /run/lock, or a soft link to /run/lock, and /run/lock is root:root and 755. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} DNS: no SOA record or DNSSEC
On 08/27/2013 10:36 AM, William Kenworthy wrote: I used to use dlint for this, but the package no longer builds easily - is there any equivalent package as dig is not ideal to find what the problem actually is? The 'donuts' tool from net-dns/dnssec-tools can supposedly do this, if you can figure out how to use it (I gave up).
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Can I use the d action to change the permissions of an existing directory and if not, how can I do this? I don't think so. The contents of /run (and /var/run before it) are, by definition, used only at run time. They are not intended to be preserved, and they actually should be cleaned from time to time (hence the age field in tmpfiles.d). Therefore tmpfiles.d only deals with creation (and cleaning up) of files/directories, not updating them, since they should not be even present when the system boots up. The files in /etc/tmpfiles.d are used by the systemd-tmpfiles-* units, and (AFAIU) they only create files/directories at boot time, and then only clean afterwards. My /run directory is really empty. When my systems boot up, systemd mounts a tmpfs on it: # mount | grep on /run tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,mode=755) Then the var-run.mount unit binds mount /run into /var/run. So no file/directory there is actually written into any physical disk ever. But I need to change the permissions of /var/lock to 777, if I can't use tmpfiles.d how can I do this? chmod 777 /var/lock? I don't understand the question. What program do you need that requires universal writing access for /var/lock? In my systems, /var/lock is either bind mounted from /run/lock, or a soft link to /run/lock, and /run/lock is root:root and 755. I need regular users to put files in /var/lock and it is annoying to have to change the
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
While we are at it ... I am currently migrating one of my basement servers ... it boots and runs with systemd already. I am fiddling with service-files for: mysql mythbackend tftp-hpa (more to come) working my way through ... making arch-linux-files fit etc. If someone already has those for gentoo ... pls post and share! Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:39 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Can I use the d action to change the permissions of an existing directory and if not, how can I do this? I don't think so. The contents of /run (and /var/run before it) are, by definition, used only at run time. They are not intended to be preserved, and they actually should be cleaned from time to time (hence the age field in tmpfiles.d). Therefore tmpfiles.d only deals with creation (and cleaning up) of files/directories, not updating them, since they should not be even present when the system boots up. The files in /etc/tmpfiles.d are used by the systemd-tmpfiles-* units, and (AFAIU) they only create files/directories at boot time, and then only clean afterwards. My /run directory is really empty. When my systems boot up, systemd mounts a tmpfs on it: # mount | grep on /run tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,mode=755) Then the var-run.mount unit binds mount /run into /var/run. So no file/directory there is actually written into any physical disk ever. But I need to change the permissions of /var/lock to 777, if I can't use tmpfiles.d how can I do this? chmod 777 /var/lock? I don't understand the question. What program do you need that requires universal writing access for /var/lock? In my systems, /var/lock is either bind mounted from /run/lock, or a soft link to /run/lock, and /run/lock is root:root and 755. I need
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 2013-08-27 9:03 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It's a small image (100M compressed), so just keep a copy handy somewhere and reflash. The GUI has a function where you can backup the running config, a restore is a simple matter of click restore in the GUI The USBstick/CF card you boot off will keep a copy of the current image and one version back (i.e. the one the current one replaced), so you can boot the old system by pressing F2 if the new one fails for some weird reason. Crazy question... Wondering of I could run this in a VM on my ESXi server? Purpose would be threefold... hosting windows user homes and roaming profiles hosting alternate email storage for dovecot (for mail archival) hosting email backups (rsync) hmm maybe I could even make it primary mail storage? Have to give this some thought...
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: While we are at it ... I am currently migrating one of my basement servers ... it boots and runs with systemd already. I am fiddling with service-files for: mysql mythbackend tftp-hpa (more to come) working my way through ... making arch-linux-files fit etc. If someone already has those for gentoo ... pls post and share! This is my mysqld.service file used in production with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=mySQL Server After=network.target Documentation=man:mysqld(8) [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ExecStop=/bin/kill -15 $MAINPID PIDFile=/var/run/mysqld/mysql.pid Restart=always CPUSchedulingPolicy=idle CPUSchedulingPriority=0 [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target You can omit/ignore the CPScheduling* entries (it runs in a very old machine, and I need mysql not to hog all the CPU). Also, I use this in /etc/tmpfiles.d/mysqld.conf: D /run/mysqld 0755 mysql mysql - - I don't use mythbackend nor tftp-hpa, but if you have the init scripts for them it should be easy to write the corresponding unit files. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 17:55, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-27 9:03 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It's a small image (100M compressed), so just keep a copy handy somewhere and reflash. The GUI has a function where you can backup the running config, a restore is a simple matter of click restore in the GUI The USBstick/CF card you boot off will keep a copy of the current image and one version back (i.e. the one the current one replaced), so you can boot the old system by pressing F2 if the new one fails for some weird reason. Crazy question... Wondering of I could run this in a VM on my ESXi server? Purpose would be threefold... hosting windows user homes and roaming profiles hosting alternate email storage for dovecot (for mail archival) hosting email backups (rsync) hmm maybe I could even make it primary mail storage? Have to give this some thought... Many people do just that (for testing and evaluation). ESXi lets you present an image file as a boot device so that's sorted. As always with VMs, IO performance is pretty sucky if you present file-based storage to the guest. It's OK to evaluate and learn the commands with, but for production you really want direct access to proper storage devices. Just make sure your backend storage is NOT itself doing RAID - ZFS doesn't play nicely with that. It really wants a JBOD with no firmware interference. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 18:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: While we are at it ... I am currently migrating one of my basement servers ... it boots and runs with systemd already. I am fiddling with service-files for: mysql mythbackend tftp-hpa (more to come) working my way through ... making arch-linux-files fit etc. If someone already has those for gentoo ... pls post and share! This is my mysqld.service file used in production with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=mySQL Server After=network.target Documentation=man:mysqld(8) [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ExecStop=/bin/kill -15 $MAINPID PIDFile=/var/run/mysqld/mysql.pid Restart=always CPUSchedulingPolicy=idle CPUSchedulingPriority=0 [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target You can omit/ignore the CPScheduling* entries (it runs in a very old machine, and I need mysql not to hog all the CPU). Also, I use this in /etc/tmpfiles.d/mysqld.conf: D /run/mysqld 0755 mysql mysql - - Shouldn't it be /var/run/mysqld ... ? I had a similar service-file still fiddling to make it work, nearly there. Thanks! I don't use mythbackend nor tftp-hpa, but if you have the init scripts for them it should be easy to write the corresponding unit files. mythtv-Wiki provided a service file ... I will check after mysqld ... Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 27.08.2013 18:02, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: While we are at it ... I am currently migrating one of my basement servers ... it boots and runs with systemd already. I am fiddling with service-files for: mysql mythbackend tftp-hpa (more to come) working my way through ... making arch-linux-files fit etc. If someone already has those for gentoo ... pls post and share! This is my mysqld.service file used in production with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=mySQL Server After=network.target Documentation=man:mysqld(8) [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ExecStop=/bin/kill -15 $MAINPID PIDFile=/var/run/mysqld/mysql.pid Restart=always CPUSchedulingPolicy=idle CPUSchedulingPriority=0 [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target You can omit/ignore the CPScheduling* entries (it runs in a very old machine, and I need mysql not to hog all the CPU). Also, I use this in /etc/tmpfiles.d/mysqld.conf: D /run/mysqld 0755 mysql mysql - - Shouldn't it be /var/run/mysqld ... ? It doesn't matter; as per the discussion above, /var/run should be a bind mount of /run (the default in Gentoo), or a symbolic link to /run. In either case, /var/run/mysqld *is* /run/mysqld. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 18:16, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I don't use mythbackend nor tftp-hpa, but if you have the init scripts for them it should be easy to write the corresponding unit files. mythtv-Wiki provided a service file ... I will check after mysqld ... up and running after a reboot, both mysqld and mythbackend (recording already)! - Now for in.tftpd (needed for PXE-booting my mythtv-frontend). https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tftpd_server shows something, no success so far ... But libvirt and my qemu-kvm-guests already work as well, fine! Stefan
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Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 18:35, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 27.08.2013 18:16, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: I don't use mythbackend nor tftp-hpa, but if you have the init scripts for them it should be easy to write the corresponding unit files. mythtv-Wiki provided a service file ... I will check after mysqld ... up and running after a reboot, both mysqld and mythbackend (recording already)! - Now for in.tftpd (needed for PXE-booting my mythtv-frontend). https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tftpd_server shows something, no success so far ... Nearly there ... it also needs a socket ...
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 18:40, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Nearly there ... it also needs a socket ...
For the records:
# tftpd.service
[Unit]
Description=hpa's original TFTP daemon
[Service]
EnvironmentFile=/etc/conf.d/in.tftpd
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd ${INTFTPD_OPTS}
StandardInput=socket
StandardOutput=inherit
StandardError=journal
# tftpd.socket
[Socket]
ListenDatagram=69
[Install]
WantedBy=sockets.target
---
Next: NFS-server ;-) (for exporting stuff to the mythfrontend)
... googling again ...
Canek, how to best tell the gentoo-devs about all these files?
Filing bugs for every single file?
Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote:
Am 27.08.2013 18:40, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Nearly there ... it also needs a socket ...
For the records:
# tftpd.service
[Unit]
Description=hpa's original TFTP daemon
[Service]
EnvironmentFile=/etc/conf.d/in.tftpd
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd ${INTFTPD_OPTS}
StandardInput=socket
StandardOutput=inherit
StandardError=journal
# tftpd.socket
[Socket]
ListenDatagram=69
[Install]
WantedBy=sockets.target
---
Next: NFS-server ;-) (for exporting stuff to the mythfrontend)
... googling again ...
Canek, how to best tell the gentoo-devs about all these files?
Filing bugs for every single file?
Yeah, to the package in question. Probably with a CC to the systemd
team, so they add the unit file if the maintainer takes too much to
acknowledge the bug.
I haven't done it myself with all the units I already have, I haven't
gotten the time.
Regards.
--
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 18:46, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Am 27.08.2013 18:40, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Nearly there ... it also needs a socket ...
For the records:
# tftpd.service
[Unit]
Description=hpa's original TFTP daemon
[Service]
EnvironmentFile=/etc/conf.d/in.tftpd
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd ${INTFTPD_OPTS}
sorry, this is not working as intended.
The syntax does not match (I thought I could read the default config-file).
For now:
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd /mnt/mypxe
S
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 19:27, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: For now: ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd /mnt/mypxe And wrong again, it needs -s as well. Sorry for the noise! ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /mnt/mypxe - For NFS I copied most out of this Wiki: http://gentoo-en.vfose.ru/wiki/Systemd#NFS for now I only use the parts for NFSv3 server ... mythfrontend starts up right now! slowly getting there ...
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 18:57, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: Canek, how to best tell the gentoo-devs about all these files? Filing bugs for every single file? Yeah, to the package in question. Probably with a CC to the systemd team, so they add the unit file if the maintainer takes too much to acknowledge the bug. I haven't done it myself with all the units I already have, I haven't gotten the time. Yes, I understand.
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 19:31, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: slowly getting there ... Ok, I think I got that done. Compared my /etc/runlevels/default and checked if I have all relevant services up and running. Looks good! What was/is missing (on my specific server) ? services and sockets for: in.tftpd libvirtd mythbackend mysqld nfs server vixie-cron While mythtv isn't really mainstream there are other daemons in this list that really *should* be supported with USE=systemd, I assume (sure, mythtv should get its file as well ...). For sure this migration wasn't really *necessary* for me but kind of an exercise and if I find the time and motivation to file all the bugs other gentoo-users might benefit in the future. I am gonna test-drive this setup now by watching TV on my PXE-booted mythfrontend ;-) Greets, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:12 PM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Am 27.08.2013 19:31, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: slowly getting there ... Ok, I think I got that done. Compared my /etc/runlevels/default and checked if I have all relevant services up and running. Looks good! What was/is missing (on my specific server) ? services and sockets for: in.tftpd libvirtd mythbackend mysqld nfs server vixie-cron While mythtv isn't really mainstream there are other daemons in this list that really *should* be supported with USE=systemd, I assume (sure, mythtv should get its file as well ...). No; the unit files should be installed by default by their respective packages. No systemd USE flag, the same way there is no need for an openrc USE flag to install init scripts in /etc/init.d For sure this migration wasn't really *necessary* for me but kind of an exercise and if I find the time and motivation to file all the bugs other gentoo-users might benefit in the future. Thanks for doing that. I am gonna test-drive this setup now by watching TV on my PXE-booted mythfrontend ;-) Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 20:12, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: Am 27.08.2013 19:31, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: slowly getting there ... Ok, I think I got that done. Compared my /etc/runlevels/default and checked if I have all relevant services up and running. Looks good! What was/is missing (on my specific server) ? And rsyncd: https://github.com/vonSchlotzkow/systemd-gentoo-units/blob/master/sys-apps/systemd-units/files/services-server/rsyncd.service S
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 20:15, schrieb Canek Peláez Valdés: While mythtv isn't really mainstream there are other daemons in this list that really *should* be supported with USE=systemd, I assume (sure, mythtv should get its file as well ...). No; the unit files should be installed by default by their respective packages. No systemd USE flag, the same way there is no need for an openrc USE flag to install init scripts in /etc/init.d Yes, ok ... I will leave that to the devs then :-) For sure this migration wasn't really *necessary* for me but kind of an exercise and if I find the time and motivation to file all the bugs other gentoo-users might benefit in the future. Thanks for doing that. It was a pleasure so far ;-) Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 20:12, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: What was/is missing (on my specific server) ? I quickly browsed bugs.gentoo.org ... libvirtd: I was wrong! The ebuild brings service-files. No bugs filed yet for these: in.tftpd mythbackend nfs server vixie-cron rsync mysqld has a related bug already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=466084
Re: [gentoo-user] SLES or gentoo ... ?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/08/2013 13:36, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-26 2:23 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I run it on my NASes, and the thing that really sold me was what it lets me as the admin do: I get all the benefits of directories with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of mount points with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of discrete filesystems with none of the downsides. Like you say, a truly modern fs built for modern needs. Are these home-built NAS's running FreeBSD (or maybe FreeNAS)? Or TrueNAS or Nexenta boxes? I'm wondering what the best way would be to get something set up for ZFS file storage. I have some older servers that I can use, so was leaning toward FreeNAS... Mine are HP mini-servers (the cube shaped ones) with 4 SATA bays running FreeNAS 8.0.something. Dunno if you've worked with FreeNAS before, but it's literally a case of write the image to USB or flash storage and boot off it. Then play. You will need to be able to boot off a USB stick, CF card or similar, FreeNAS uses an entire drive for it's system partition and it's a shame to waste a whole high-capacity disk just for a 2G system image -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Alan. How is the security settings on the shares now? I had issues when accessing through NFS and CIFS simultaneously where files written over NFS had to have the permissions altered before they were accessible over CIFS. Other issue I had was inability to have users only being able to access files they were allowed to. With CIFS it sort of worked. But with NFS I had full access to all files. That is the reason why I setup my NAS manually using Gentoo. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 21:24, jo...@antarean.org wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/08/2013 13:36, Tanstaafl wrote: On 2013-08-26 2:23 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: I run it on my NASes, and the thing that really sold me was what it lets me as the admin do: I get all the benefits of directories with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of mount points with none of the downsides. I get all the benefits of discrete filesystems with none of the downsides. Like you say, a truly modern fs built for modern needs. Are these home-built NAS's running FreeBSD (or maybe FreeNAS)? Or TrueNAS or Nexenta boxes? I'm wondering what the best way would be to get something set up for ZFS file storage. I have some older servers that I can use, so was leaning toward FreeNAS... Mine are HP mini-servers (the cube shaped ones) with 4 SATA bays running FreeNAS 8.0.something. Dunno if you've worked with FreeNAS before, but it's literally a case of write the image to USB or flash storage and boot off it. Then play. You will need to be able to boot off a USB stick, CF card or similar, FreeNAS uses an entire drive for it's system partition and it's a shame to waste a whole high-capacity disk just for a 2G system image Alan. How is the security settings on the shares now? I had issues when accessing through NFS and CIFS simultaneously where files written over NFS had to have the permissions altered before they were accessible over CIFS. I've never run into this situation myself, my shares are either accessed via cfs or via nfs, but never both at the same time. The permissions issue is an artifact of how NFS works. Sun designed it to deliver entire filesystems over the network (most often /usr and-or /home) to trusted clients. trusted being the operative word. To get Unix permissions to work, the uid on the share and client have to match - that's why we also have NIS - but I've never seen NIS actually used anywhere, so UIDs tend to be a mix 'n match and almost always devolves into full access to get it to work. CIFS work different, it auths users by username and supports per-field access control. That's how that protocol works. There is no known way to fix NFS v2 v3 in a mixed network and still stay sane. NFS v4 does a good job but it's not NFS v3 :-) it's common for NAS vendors to recommend you not try share the same files over CIFS and NFS, especially if write access is involced. Other issue I had was inability to have users only being able to access files they were allowed to. With CIFS it sort of worked. But with NFS I had full access to all files. That is the reason why I setup my NAS manually using Gentoo. -- Joost -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe from gentoo-news?
On 27/08/2013 18:35, Jarry wrote: Hi Gentoo-users, I'd like to stop receiving news, how can I do that? Or better said, I'd like to receive gentoo-news only on one of my 6 servers, and turn this feature off on remaining 5... Jarry It's in the mail headers: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org you would obviously use -news and not -user Normal practice (at least with Mailman) is to have such links in the email footer. I see Gentoo lists don't do that; I believe because they run Encartis? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:39 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:41 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 2:46 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 1:10 AM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 10:52 PM, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote: Hi. I am looking for a couple of systemd units which I have not been able to find -- one for mailman and one for innd which is a shell script by itself. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. I use this one in production for mailman with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=Mailman mailing list service After=network.target [Service] Type=forking ExecStart=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s start ExecStop=/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop User=mailman Group=mailman [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target I don't have any for innd. If innd is the one from net-nntp/inn, then the following should work: [Unit] Description=The Internet News daemon Documentation=man:innd(8) ConditionPathExists=/var/run/news [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news ExecStop=/usr/lib/news/bin/rc.news stop User=news Group=news [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target If the binary rc.news forks itself (and there is no option to force it to run in the foreground), use Type=forking. The former is preferred over the latter. Also, to guarantee that the directory /var/run/news always is present, add the following to a new file /etc/tmpfiles.d/innd.conf: d/var/run/news 0755 news news 10d - You can replace 10d with - (hypen), so the directory is never cleaned automatically. If you try this unit and it works as expected, please let us know. OK, thanks again. I have one question which this brings up -- and this applies to openrc as well -- I never have let it migrate /var/run to /run and /var/lock likewise because I have directories in those which are owned by various users, etc. and the packages themselves almost never create such -- is putting things in /etc/tmpfiles.d the correct way to fix this? tmpfiles.d is from systemd: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/tmpfiles.d.html However, I think OpenRC developers were thinking about supporting it. I don't know if that actually happened. With systemd in Gentoo, /var/run is bind mounted from /run, and it's a tmpfs dir, so everything there goes away after a reboot. The config files in tmpfiles.d allows the creation (and automatic removal) of directories and files there. I don't know if it's the correct way to fix anything; but it works. Can I use the d action to change the permissions of an existing directory and if not, how can I do this? I don't think so. The contents of /run (and /var/run before it) are, by definition, used only at run time. They are not intended to be preserved, and they actually should be cleaned from time to time (hence the age field in tmpfiles.d). Therefore tmpfiles.d only deals with creation (and cleaning up) of files/directories, not updating them, since they should not be even present when the system boots up. The files in /etc/tmpfiles.d are used by the systemd-tmpfiles-* units, and (AFAIU) they only create files/directories at boot time, and then only clean afterwards. My /run directory is really empty. When my systems boot up, systemd mounts a tmpfs on it: # mount | grep on /run tmpfs on /run type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,mode=755) Then the var-run.mount unit binds mount /run into /var/run. So no file/directory there is actually written into any physical disk ever. But I need to change the permissions of /var/lock to 777, if I can't use tmpfiles.d how can I do this? chmod 777 /var/lock? I don't understand the question. What
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe from gentoo-news?
在 2013-8-28 上午4:03，Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com写道： On 27/08/2013 18:35, Jarry wrote: Hi Gentoo-users, I'd like to stop receiving news, how can I do that? Or better said, I'd like to receive gentoo-news only on one of my 6 servers, and turn this feature off on remaining 5... Jarry It's in the mail headers: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org you would obviously use -news and not -user Normal practice (at least with Mailman) is to have such links in the email footer. I see Gentoo lists don't do that; I believe because they run Encartis? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Ah, I think he actually means those news items as seen in eselect news read, as some keywords like server and turn off suggest...
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe from gentoo-news?
On 27-Aug-13 21:59, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/08/2013 18:35, Jarry wrote: I'd like to stop receiving news, how can I do that? Or better said, I'd like to receive gentoo-news only on one of my 6 servers, and turn this feature off on remaining 5... It's in the mail headers: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org you would obviously use -news and not -user I probably did not express myself correctly. What I mean is portage-news. News I get sometimes after emerge --sync. Not news-mailinglist... Jarry -- ___ This mailbox accepts e-mails only from selected mailing-lists! Everything else is considered to be spam and therefore deleted.
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: While we are at it ... I am currently migrating one of my basement servers ... it boots and runs with systemd already. I am fiddling with service-files for: mysql mythbackend tftp-hpa (more to come) working my way through ... making arch-linux-files fit etc. If someone already has those for gentoo ... pls post and share! This is my mysqld.service file used in production with Gentoo: [Unit] Description=mySQL Server After=network.target Documentation=man:mysqld(8) [Service] Type=simple ExecStart=/usr/sbin/mysqld --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/my.cnf --basedir=/usr --datadir=/var/lib/mysql --pid-file=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid --socket=/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock ExecStop=/bin/kill -15 $MAINPID PIDFile=/var/run/mysqld/mysql.pid Restart=always CPUSchedulingPolicy=idle CPUSchedulingPriority=0 [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target You can omit/ignore the CPScheduling* entries (it runs in a very old machine, and I need mysql not to hog all the CPU). Also, I use this in /etc/tmpfiles.d/mysqld.conf: D /run/mysqld 0755 mysql mysql - - I don't use mythbackend nor tftp-hpa, but if you have the init scripts for them it should be easy to write the corresponding unit files. Thanks for that, I will need thatas well. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 11:08, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it strange that those people seem to have less problems with closed source than with a license that gives more freedom than the GPL? But you are correct that the problem seem to be humans and not a license text. You are aware that the GPL was not really intended to be used together with other licenses? It was really intended to create an entire operating system, all of which was 100% licensed as GPL, all of which comprise an original work written from scratch But it has been proven that you cannot create a 100% GPL OS. More than 50% of all Linux distros are under different licenses... Stallman never makes this claim as bluntly as I've said it here, but it's the only intelligent reading of his intent as far as I can make out. This is why so many arguments arise over the GPL, the wording of that license was not really intended to have it co-exist with other licenses. Stallman does not look at reality. The first GCC version in 1986 has been published under something I call GPLv0 and this license did not permit a legal use of the GCC in public. The license was later converted to GPLv1 by using proposals I made but Stallman still only talks about what has been in GPLv0. I didn't bring this up to discuss fine points of licenses. I brought it up for those who might want to understand what the GPL is intended to do; that can only be truly understood by determining what Stallman intended. The GPL is a reflection of Stallman's intent, and can only be truly understood in that light. Whether the legal wording accurately matches his intent is another matter altogether. I personally feel it doesn't, won't and cannot, for reasons of psychology and philosophy, not for reasons of technology or law. What the GPL tries to do and how it does it is quite foreign to most who practice law. Humans don't like foreign concepts. Heck, GPL-2 doesn't even remotely read like something that came off a lawyer's desk. There is nothing non-void in the GPL that stops you from distributing binaries. That's a question of packaging and bundling, which is not covered by the GPL. But kernel code and kernel modules are not mere bundles, they are derivative works by virtue of how tightly they integrate with the kernel, and how the code can only ever run unchanged on Linux. If a kernel uses ZFS, you have to decide on whether the kernel is a derivative work of ZFS or whether just a collective work exists. _Using_ ZFS definitely does not make ZFS a derivative work. I never said it did. I was concentrating on those parts of ZFS that interact with kernel internals - that might not be been entirely clear You are making a spurious claim by saying you have to decide on whether the kernel is a derivative work of ZFS or ... In what possible way could the entire Linux kernel be considered a derivative work of ZFS? That doesn't make any sense. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Francisco Ares fra...@gmail.com 2013/8/27 Michael Hampicke m...@hadt.biz Am 26.08.2013 20:11, schrieb Francisco Ares: Hi, Michael, thanks for you reply. Please forgive me for not having mentioned grub2-mkconfig and grub2-install. The mentioned grub.cfg was a sample from a working system, with legacy grub:0, from which I have recovered parts of the kernel command line parameters. After genkernel finished to build the kernel, I've issued: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg grub2-install /dev/sda Sorry for this. Francisco On a failed boot, can you reach the rescue system from the initramfs? (The message is something like enter password for rescue or ctrl+d) If so, are you able mount your actual root partiton (sda5) manually? No, unfortunately. But I am able to use the grub console prior to boot. By doing so, I have listed the command about to be used to boot the first entry in the grub menu, it installs some modules. In regard of file systems, it only loads a ext2 module, and the root partition is ext4 formated. Although this kernel has ext2, ext3 and ext4 built in (not modules), can this be a cue? Right now I am preparing to format the root partition as ext2, just to check this out. Thanks again Francisco It didn't work, so I suppose the embedded ext2, ext3 and ext4 in the kernel is not the issue, and might be working. Going to explore the grub console now. Thanks Francisco In the grub console, prior to boot, I was able to mount any partition using commands like: root=(hd0,msdos5) and then listing the directory tree structure with ls / gave the expected results. Francisco I think I might have found it. Although I have selected in the kernel menuconfig to compress the initramfs using gzip and deselected all other decompression forms. a simple file initramfs-xxx told me that it was XZ compressed data, so now I am rebuilding the kernel with all decompression algorithms built in. I will (hope) soon post the results. Thanks, Francisco It did not work :-( Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] grub2 or kernel config - unable to properly boot
2013/8/27 Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 08:31:05 -0300, Francisco Ares wrote: Any hints on how to diagnose a initramfs? AFAIK it is a filesystem. How can I mount it to check its contents? http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/07/how-to-view-modify-and-recreate-initrd-img/ -- Neil Bothwick Why is the word abbreviation so long? Thanks, Neil, gonna check it right now. Francisco
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: The permissions issue is an artifact of how NFS works. Sun designed it to deliver entire filesystems over the network (most often /usr and-or /home) to trusted clients. trusted being the operative word. To get Unix permissions to work, the uid on the share and client have to match - that's why we also have NIS - but I've never seen NIS actually used anywhere, so UIDs tend to be a mix 'n match and almost always devolves into full access to get it to work. This is how NFS was designed before 1987, when Kerberos came up CIFS work different, it auths users by username and supports per-field access control. That's how that protocol works. This is how NFSv4 works. BTW: as long as Linux does not support modern ACLs (originally defined by NTFS, now standardized by NFSv4) Linux will not be able to take advantage from CIFS ACLs. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote:
Am 27.08.2013 18:46, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Am 27.08.2013 18:40, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger:
Nearly there ... it also needs a socket ...
For the records:
# tftpd.service
[Unit]
Description=hpa's original TFTP daemon
[Service]
EnvironmentFile=/etc/conf.d/in.tftpd
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd ${INTFTPD_OPTS}
sorry, this is not working as intended.
The syntax does not match (I thought I could read the default config-file).
For now:
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd /mnt/mypxe
Omit the braces.
--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?
John Covici
cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 20:38, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: No bugs filed yet for these: in.tftpd mythbackend nfs server vixie-cron rsync Filed some related bugs now: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482712 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482714 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482716 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482718 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=482720 We'll see ... Greets, Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
On 27/08/2013 11:26, Joerg Schilling wrote: Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it strange that those people seem to have less problems with closed source than with a license that gives more freedom than the GPL? But you are correct that the problem seem to be humans and not a license text. You are aware that the GPL was not really intended to be used together with other licenses? It was really intended to create an entire operating system, all of which was 100% licensed as GPL, all of which comprise an original work written from scratch But it has been proven that you cannot create a 100% GPL OS. More than 50% of all Linux distros are under different licenses... Sorry, this should be: More than 50% of a typical Linux distro is under different licenses... All we can state for sure is that no-one has yet created a fully 100% GPL operating system. If you persuade FSF to relicense glibc to you as GPL it *is* possible to do it for kernel and (a somewhat crippled) userland. But not for firmware. But this is beside the point, I was illustrating Stallman's intent, not whether that intent could be realized or not. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe from gentoo-news?
On 27/08/2013 22:19, Jarry wrote: On 27-Aug-13 21:59, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 27/08/2013 18:35, Jarry wrote: I'd like to stop receiving news, how can I do that? Or better said, I'd like to receive gentoo-news only on one of my 6 servers, and turn this feature off on remaining 5... It's in the mail headers: mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscr...@lists.gentoo.org you would obviously use -news and not -user I probably did not express myself correctly. What I mean is portage-news. News I get sometimes after emerge --sync. Not news-mailinglist... Ah, that makes more sense ;-) I *did* wonder why you hadn't thought to read the headers! from the GLEP: Users who really don't care about news items can use rsync_excludes to filter out the metadata/news/ directory. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html man 5 make.conf also documents FEATURES=news Oddly enough, we all know how to enable FEATURES (just add to the list), but I have no idea how to disable them! I don't have news in my FEATURES but I do get the newsitems. Is FEATURES=-news even valid sysntax? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] looking for a couple of systemd units
Am 27.08.2013 22:52, schrieb cov...@ccs.covici.com:
Omit the braces.
thanks ... doesn't work here anyway ... because $INTFTPD_OPTS also
includes ${INTFTPD_PATH} from within /etc/conf.d/in.tftpd (which can't
be resolved this way).
What works:
EnvironmentFile=/etc/conf.d/in.tftpd
ExecStart=/usr/sbin/in.tftpd -R 4096:32767 -s $INTFTPD_PATH
but ... still not satisfying. I think there might be a separate
conf.d-file or something.
Stefan
Re: [gentoo-user] Optional /usr merge in Gentoo
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: That's a question of packaging and bundling, which is not covered by the GPL. But kernel code and kernel modules are not mere bundles, they are derivative works by virtue of how tightly they integrate with the kernel, and how the code can only ever run unchanged on Linux. If a kernel uses ZFS, you have to decide on whether the kernel is a derivative work of ZFS or whether just a collective work exists. _Using_ ZFS definitely does not make ZFS a derivative work. I never said it did. I was concentrating on those parts of ZFS that interact with kernel internals - that might not be been entirely clear You wrote that modules become derivatives of the Linux kernel and this is the same as writing ZFS would become a kernel derivative. The linux kernel does not come with a modern VFS implementation, so if you like to use ZFS on Linux you first need to provide a suitable VFS interface. ZFS will not interact with the Linux kernel directly but with the expected VFS layer. Shouldn't it be possible to put this intermediate layer under a license that makes even the zealots happy? You are making a spurious claim by saying you have to decide on whether the kernel is a derivative work of ZFS or ... If you go the non-lawful Stallman way and insist in a derivative work to be build, then the linux kernel is the derivative work. I prefer to assume that this just builds a collective work ;-) In what possible way could the entire Linux kernel be considered a derivative work of ZFS? That doesn't make any sense. I am just quoting claims from Stallman ;-) Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe from gentoo-news?
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: man 5 make.conf also documents FEATURES=news Oddly enough, we all know how to enable FEATURES (just add to the list), but I have no idea how to disable them! I don't have news in my FEATURES but I do get the newsitems. Is FEATURES=-news even valid sysntax? I believe that is the correct way to do it.
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe from gentoo-news?
On 08/27/2013 05:09 PM, Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: man 5 make.conf also documents FEATURES=news Oddly enough, we all know how to enable FEATURES (just add to the list), but I have no idea how to disable them! I don't have news in my FEATURES but I do get the newsitems. Is FEATURES=-news even valid sysntax? I believe that is the correct way to do it. Or stick 'eselect news read new' in one of your coworkers' ~/.bashrc files.
[gentoo-user] portage 2.2 in ~amd64
I was away for two weeks. I just resynced and see that 2.2.1 is now in testing (and my current version 2.1.13.1 is not in the tree). Am I correct in believing that when I upgrade to 2.2.1, all the commands from 2.1.x.y will continue to work? I know that several readers have used 2.2 for years with success. thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I unsubscribe from gentoo-news?
On Tuesday 27 Aug 2013 22:09:12 Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: man 5 make.conf also documents FEATURES=news Oddly enough, we all know how to enable FEATURES (just add to the list), but I have no idea how to disable them! I don't have news in my FEATURES but I do get the newsitems. Is FEATURES=-news even valid sysntax? I believe that is the correct way to do it. In case it doesn't work or cause an error, also try marks: FEATURES=-news -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] portage 2.2 in ~amd64
gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I was away for two weeks. I just resynced and see that 2.2.1 is now in testing (and my current version 2.1.13.1 is not in the tree). Am I correct in believing that when I upgrade to 2.2.1, all the commands from 2.1.x.y will continue to work? I know that several readers have used 2.2 for years with success. thanks, allan I use unstable here and the only difference I have seen is the addition of more options, better handling of blocks and such as that. I would upgrade and then give the man page a good looking over. You may find some things there that interest you and may be helpful in some situations. I don't recall any commands changing tho. Still emerge and such. Hope that helps. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] portage 2.2 in ~amd64
On Tue, Aug 27 2013, Dale wrote: gottl...@nyu.edu wrote: I was away for two weeks. I just resynced and see that 2.2.1 is now in testing (and my current version 2.1.13.1 is not in the tree). Am I correct in believing that when I upgrade to 2.2.1, all the commands from 2.1.x.y will continue to work? I know that several readers have used 2.2 for years with success. thanks, allan I use unstable here and the only difference I have seen is the addition of more options, better handling of blocks and such as that. I would upgrade and then give the man page a good looking over. You may find some things there that interest you and may be helpful in some situations. I don't recall any commands changing tho. Still emerge and such. Hope that helps. Dale I does indeed. Thanks, allan
[gentoo-user] Re: The NVIDIA/Kernel fiasco -- is it safe to sync yet?
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 07:57:20 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On 27/08/2013 04:06, »Q« wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 08:02:32 +0200 Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: That list is the list of kernels that nVidia supports, which is easy to find. Where? AIUI from reading various threads about this, sometimes that info can be found in nVidia's developer web forum, but I've never been able to find it there. nVidia's READMEs give a minimum kernel version, but no max. So ask nVidia to clearly and unambiguously state in an easily found place what kernels *they* support. Nah, they wouldn't help. I only asked you because you said it was easy to find.
