Re: [gentoo-user] Re: virtual problem : how can I unmerge Nano ?
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:05:04 -0700, walt wrote: Can you give us an example of how we misuse the word regular? (a word I don't ordinarily use ;) He's just a regular guy. Every time I hear that I have to remind myself that this is not referring to his bowel movements... -- Neil Bothwick Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Regular v Ordinary
On Tuesday 29 Apr 2014 16:05:04 walt wrote: On 04/29/2014 05:49 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: Regular readers* will know... * Off-topic note for American readers: as far as I'm concerned, regular does not mean ordinary. That neologism is even polluting our high streets over here. I've used both of those words all my life but never looked them up in a dictionary. Until today, of course: A thing is ordinary when it is apt to come round in the regular common order or succession of events. [1913 Webster] Seems it goes back a lot further than I realised. Can you give us an example of how we misuse the word regular? (a word I don't ordinarily use ;) I don't suppose it's misuse, just different use, which is fine when separated by a few thousand miles :-) . It just annoys me when I'm offered a regular coffee, when I would have said standard, or medium (size). It's happened particularly since our high streets were flooded with Starbucks and the like. To me, regular is closely associated to regularity, as one might think of in personal habits (sorry!). Or, regular as clockwork is a common phrase and gets my meaning across. -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Regular v Ordinary
Le 2014-04-30 09:47, Peter Humphrey a écrit : On Tuesday 29 Apr 2014 16:05:04 walt wrote: On 04/29/2014 05:49 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: I don't suppose it's misuse, just different use, which is fine when separated by a few thousand miles :-) . It just annoys me when I'm offered a regular coffee, when I would have said standard, or medium (size). It's happened particularly since our high streets were flooded with Starbucks and the like. To me, regular is closely associated to regularity, as one might think of in personal habits (sorry!). Or, regular as clockwork is a common phrase and gets my meaning across. I suspect that your habits for regular or ordinary came from French, where the first translation of regular is régulier, habituel which mean that it is something is a habits. And ordinary will be translate to ordinaire that have the means of common, standard. I know that some difference from UK and US English come from the nearby European country (monstly France) (i.e: colour vs color, behaviour vs behavior, etc.)
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Regular v Ordinary
On Wednesday 30 Apr 2014 10:21:11 godzil wrote: I suspect that your habits for regular or ordinary came from French, where the first translation of regular is régulier, habituel which mean that it is something is a habits. And ordinary will be translate to ordinaire that have the means of common, standard. I know that some difference from UK and US English come from the nearby European country (monstly France) (i.e: colour vs color, behaviour vs behavior, etc.) Yes, true, except that habits is not the right word: usage would be better, which in this context in English means custom. Countries being adjacent is not the explanation. I haven't seen an authority on this, but I believe that a good half of English words come from French (as a result of the most recent invasion of these islands in 1066), most of the rest coming from Latin and Greek. (That's now largely forgotten in USA, where efforts are now directed at absorbing German, Italian and Spanish.) There's a smattering of words from India and other parts of the Empire as well. Hardly any from Italian or Spanish, which accounts for a lot of differences between American and English. The spelling differences you mention are I think a result of attempts to simplify the language by your founding fathers. Similarly, today, sentence structure is changing, with a wholesale ditching of previously useful tenses and, for instance, an insistence on putting adverbs before their verbs. Are those German influences? And why do so many insist on a single word never being both a noun and a verb (use, usage)? What do you do with compact, which can be noun, verb or adjective? I could go on, but I'd better not :-) -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Regular v Ordinary
Le 2014-04-30 12:47, Peter Humphrey a écrit : On Wednesday 30 Apr 2014 10:21:11 godzil wrote: I suspect that your habits for regular or ordinary came from French, where the first translation of regular is régulier, habituel which mean that it is something is a habits. And ordinary will be translate to ordinaire that have the means of common, standard. I know that some difference from UK and US English come from the nearby European country (mostly France) (i.e: colour vs color, behaviour vs behavior, etc.) Yes, true, except that habits is not the right word: usage would be better, which in this context in English means custom. Thanks Countries being adjacent is not the explanation. I haven't seen an authority on this, but I believe that a good half of English words come from French (as a result of the most recent invasion of these islands in 1066), most of the rest coming from Latin and Greek. (That's now largely forgotten in USA, where efforts are now directed at absorbing German, Italian and Spanish.) There's a smattering of words from India and other parts of the Empire as well. Hardly any from Italian or Spanish, which accounts for a lot of differences between American and English. Yes that true, lots of English words came from old French, and funnily some word that were lost goes back into French :) But I don't agree, on the origin of Old English it is more a germano-celtic language than a latino-greek one. French clearly come from Latin and Old Greek, like Spanish or Italian. On the contrary, the German language have nearly no roots in Latin and Greek. The spelling differences you mention are I think a result of attempts to simplify the language by your founding fathers. Wikipedia have a nice article on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_and_British_English_spelling_differences (I tried to read it, but now my head is hurting!) Similarly, today, sentence structure is changing, with a wholesale ditching of previously useful tenses and, for instance, an insistence on putting adverbs before their verbs. Are those German influences? And why do so many insist on a single word never being both a noun and a verb (use, usage)? What do you do with compact, which can be noun, verb or adjective? I could go on, but I'd better not :-)
[gentoo-user] problem: frequently auto suspend
Hello everyone, I have met a problem recently after once update. My laptop suspends automatically after booting up, and suspends on and on after wakeup. I have checked up the log and there is no obvious errors. It works well on Win7 and Ubuntu Live, and on Gentoo the CPU is about 60 ℃. It also works well in single mode, but suspends quickly after I start NetworkManager service. And I found that it echo ^@ before the first-time suspend in the console. I have tried some solutions such as pass pcie_aspm= *force to kernel, disable gdm service, none works. Masking suspend.target and systemd-suspend.service helps, but I want a better solution.* *Could someone help me? And what info do I need to attach?* *Simsilver*
Re: [gentoo-user] problem: frequently auto suspend
Forget to mention, I have tried kernel 3.14, 3.14.1, 3.13.7, and none works well on this. On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:11 PM, simsilver Lee yihuanlingj...@gmail.comwrote: Hello everyone, I have met a problem recently after once update. My laptop suspends automatically after booting up, and suspends on and on after wakeup. I have checked up the log and there is no obvious errors. It works well on Win7 and Ubuntu Live, and on Gentoo the CPU is about 60 ℃. It also works well in single mode, but suspends quickly after I start NetworkManager service. And I found that it echo ^@ before the first-time suspend in the console. I have tried some solutions such as pass pcie_aspm= *force to kernel, disable gdm service, none works. Masking suspend.target and systemd-suspend.service helps, but I want a better solution. * *Could someone help me? And what info do I need to attach?* *Simsilver*
Re: [gentoo-user] problem: frequently auto suspend
For the suspend after a wakeup, I've a similar problem on my EEEPC 1000HE, I didn't investigate a lot, but on my case I strongly suspect that it is caused by a two process/script that try to manage the same event. It does not happen when I press the Sleep button (Fn+F1 if I recall correctly) but happen everytime when closing the lid. I remember to had lots of problem with ACPI configuration, and some key are still not working as expected, anyway, I've may in my case mess with some ACPI script. Maybe you could look at this first? Manoel Le 2014-04-30 15:13, simsilver Lee a écrit : Forget to mention, I have tried kernel 3.14, 3.14.1, 3.13.7, and none works well on this. On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 10:11 PM, simsilver Lee yihuanlingj...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, I have met a problem recently after once update. My laptop suspends automatically after booting up, and suspends on and on after wakeup. I have checked up the log and there is no obvious errors. It works well on Win7 and Ubuntu Live, and on Gentoo the CPU is about 60 ℃. It also works well in single mode, but suspends quickly after I start NetworkManager service. And I found that it echo ^@ before the first-time suspend in the console. I have tried some solutions such as pass pcie_aspm=force to kernel, disable gdm service, none works. Masking suspend.target and systemd-suspend.service helps, but I want a better solution. Could someone help me? And what info do I need to attach? Simsilver
[gentoo-user] fully automount usb stick
Hi, autofs require me to supply UUID of the partition, but I need it fully automatic, without user intervention. I need to implement a generic mounting of usb drive. Maybe putting icon on xfce4 desktop. Is there a quick way or package that can do that? Regards, Kfir
[gentoo-user] Re: fully automount usb stick
Kfir Lavi lavi.kfir at gmail.com writes: autofs require me to supply UUID of the partition, but I need it fully automatic, without user intervention.I need to implement a generic mounting of usb drive. http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AutoFS https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Storage_Devices Is there a quick way or package that can do that? sys-fs/udisks ??? hth, James
[gentoo-user] Re: OT: Regular v Ordinary
On 04/30/2014 01:47 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: It just annoys me when I'm offered a regular coffee, when I would have said standard, or medium (size). It's happened particularly since our high streets were flooded with Starbucks and the like. If someone offered me a regular coffee I'd ask for a definition of regular because I wouldn't have a clue what's being offered. My impression is that many Merkin words entered the British argot during WWII, when, indeed, we referred to petrol(gasoline) as regular or leaded, a good example of our misuse of regular, and one I'd forgot(ten) about. You and Neil both mentioned regular guy, which I remember hearing most recently in a movie about WWII, and not since. Our tasteless Merkin TV commercials used the word regular for decades to describe our ideal bowel habits, so I share your immediate association with that word. But I doubt anyone less than thirty years old would remember that era. (Please let me know if I'm wrong about that!)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: Regular v Ordinary
* walt w41...@gmail.com [140430 20:43]: On 04/30/2014 01:47 AM, Peter Humphrey wrote: It just annoys me when I'm offered a regular coffee, when I would have said standard, or medium (size). It's happened particularly since our high streets were flooded with Starbucks and the like. If someone offered me a regular coffee I'd ask for a definition of regular because I wouldn't have a clue what's being offered. My impression is that many Merkin words entered the British argot during WWII, when, indeed, we referred to petrol(gasoline) as regular or leaded, a good example of our misuse of regular, and one I'd forgot(ten) about. You and Neil both mentioned regular guy, which I remember hearing most recently in a movie about WWII, and not since. Our tasteless Merkin TV commercials used the word regular for decades to describe our ideal bowel habits, so I share your immediate association with that word. But I doubt anyone less than thirty years old would remember that era. (Please let me know if I'm wrong about that!) You might want to check the definition for merkin...
