Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
On 17/12/2014 09:45, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 12/17/2014 06:48:55 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Is it possible, to do ONE call to emerge, which asks (according to option -a, if set ) and given a yes first fetches ALL necessary files and data and compiles then everything? With some manual operations: Capture the output of emerge -vp Edit it to call ebuild full patch to package.ebuild fetch for each package. Then issue emerge without -p Way too complicated. emerge -pvuND world check list, ensure everything is OK, etc etc. Then emerge -vunDf world emerge -vuND world -f only fetches, it does not compile. When it completes, switch the pc off. The last emerge compiles and everything has been fetched (well usually is has been fetched). What the OP is trying to do is not really possible. Portage is designed with an assumption in mind: the host is always connected to the internet and can fetch whatever it needs to fetch whenever it needs to fetch it based on what is in the ebuilds. 100% off-line operation is not part of the spec, so the OP is always going to have to deal with occasional emerge failures due to the host being offline -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [14-12-17 09:24]: On 17/12/2014 09:45, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 12/17/2014 06:48:55 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Is it possible, to do ONE call to emerge, which asks (according to option -a, if set ) and given a yes first fetches ALL necessary files and data and compiles then everything? With some manual operations: Capture the output of emerge -vp Edit it to call ebuild full patch to package.ebuild fetch for each package. Then issue emerge without -p Way too complicated. emerge -pvuND world check list, ensure everything is OK, etc etc. Then emerge -vunDf world emerge -vuND world -f only fetches, it does not compile. When it completes, switch the pc off. The last emerge compiles and everything has been fetched (well usually is has been fetched). What the OP is trying to do is not really possible. Portage is designed with an assumption in mind: the host is always connected to the internet and can fetch whatever it needs to fetch whenever it needs to fetch it based on what is in the ebuilds. 100% off-line operation is not part of the spec, so the OP is always going to have to deal with occasional emerge failures due to the host being offline -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Hi, thanks for your replies... ...I currently do two emerges, one with -f the second without. And as merntioned in my initiao mail, I dont want it, since it implies two Calculating dependencies which is once too often... This was the initial reason for asking... Best regards, Meino
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
On 17/12/2014 10:41, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com [14-12-17 09:24]: On 17/12/2014 09:45, Helmut Jarausch wrote: On 12/17/2014 06:48:55 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Is it possible, to do ONE call to emerge, which asks (according to option -a, if set ) and given a yes first fetches ALL necessary files and data and compiles then everything? With some manual operations: Capture the output of emerge -vp Edit it to call ebuild full patch to package.ebuild fetch for each package. Then issue emerge without -p Way too complicated. emerge -pvuND world check list, ensure everything is OK, etc etc. Then emerge -vunDf world emerge -vuND world -f only fetches, it does not compile. When it completes, switch the pc off. The last emerge compiles and everything has been fetched (well usually is has been fetched). What the OP is trying to do is not really possible. Portage is designed with an assumption in mind: the host is always connected to the internet and can fetch whatever it needs to fetch whenever it needs to fetch it based on what is in the ebuilds. 100% off-line operation is not part of the spec, so the OP is always going to have to deal with occasional emerge failures due to the host being offline -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com Hi, thanks for your replies... ...I currently do two emerges, one with -f the second without. And as merntioned in my initiao mail, I dont want it, since it implies two Calculating dependencies which is once too often... This was the initial reason for asking... I know, but it's your only option -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 17.12.2014 um 07:33 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Try cleaning the vents. Also, most couches have a tendency to compress when something like a laptop is on it. Effectively blocking all airflow. If the temperature goes to 99C when on top of a table, return the laptop to the shop as it is clearly not working properly. When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Not to be tried at home ;-) You don't have a fridge at home? ROFL Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up. ;-) At one time, I thought about putting a rig that ran sorta warm in my freezer. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: unix philosophy question for old farts: the original purpose for /tmp ?
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 1:05 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: systemd puts /tmp on a tmpfs by default. True, but there was pushback by Fedora developers when this became the default so Lennart patched systemd for a /tmp mount in /etc/fstab to override /lib/systemd/system/tmp.mount. A pseudo-policy (pseudo since it wasn't, AFAIK, an official policy) was instituted whereby applications that were creating large files in /tmp should be patched to use /var/tmp.
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
What would you consider better support? The way it works currently is how it's working with MS Windows (as provided by NVidia). What I mean by better support is easy install and configuration. In the Windows I just install the driver and the driver is responsible for offloading or switching the chips. I spent a couple of hours to configure it and gave up, because it is not easy to configure or even easy to troubleshoot. A single GPU makes things simpler, but being able to have the best of both options: 1) Intel = low power = long battery life 2) Nvidia = good quality 3D, but shorter battery life The NVidia chip is actually switched off when not being used. (Or if not, I wouldn't notice as the battery life is significantly better after installing bumblebee and running the bumblebee service.) Thats right for the current setup, but it is possible to have a laptop with a powerful Intel GPU, right?
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:53:53 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Note that says parallel-fetch not build. From the man page: parallel-fetch: Fetch in the background while compiling. Run `tail -f /var/log/emerge-fetch.log` in a terminal to view parallel-fetch progress. Ahh, I think I see what you are saying. You want it to fetch and NOT compile until the fetch is finished. I'm not sure if there is a way to do that or not. Since it should be able to compile and fetch at the same time, why not try it that way and see how well it works? Yes, thats it: First download all stuff THEN start compiling. Why? The downloads will happen at the same rate but you'll have a head start on the compiling. The only disadvantage i can see is that you will not have a notification of when the download finishes, but you could work around that by having another script check emerge-fetch.log and send a shutdown to the PC when there is no further output. Would --jobs=0 help here? This would say No packages are build simultanously...I check that! No. --jobs controls package building, nothing to do with downloading. parallel-fetch in the closest to what you want as it grabs all the downloads as soon as possible. -- Neil Bothwick And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make pgpfItNVFk2FI.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
You need bumblebee. Otherwise it's not possible to use the Nvidia Optimus chip. I think that it is possible, or supposed to be possible! The gentoo wiki says that Nvidia drivers are now supporting the optimus, so it is called native optimus support I just waned to use optimus without that, but it seem the it is not easy! It's not possible, because the Nvidia Optimus chip isn't a full featured graphics card, and doesn't write directly to the screen. Joost already explained it pretty well. Exactly, that is why the Nvidia driver is using the xrandr for offloading the tasks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com writes: OK, if that is true, who is answering your questions on lxde, which I am still using? I have lots of breakage on lxde; I do not bother fixing. I'm working on migrating to lxqt. Good luck with lxde. Not sure I follow your reasoning there... I'm posting here because I have lxde working well enough for my purposes on 6 other hosts... none of them are gentoo. LXDE and Razor-QT were merged to create LXQT. LXDE'll carry on for as long as there are developers willing to keep it going; and as long as GTK+ 2 is still alive.
Re: [gentoo-user] bruning pictures (jpeg) to DVD
On Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:28:45 -0700, Joseph wrote: I used imagination to make slideshow (VOB) and it worked OK. But when I tried DeVeDe to make ISO it will not do it; this software is a crap. Such detailed error reports don't make helping you easy. I just created a slideshow VOB with Imagination and converted it to an ISO with DeVeDe with no crap involved. -- Neil Bothwick Windows Error #56: Operator fell asleep while waiting. pgpsGEb8yKNk2.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 12:53:10 PM behrouz khosravi wrote: What would you consider better support? The way it works currently is how it's working with MS Windows (as provided by NVidia). What I mean by better support is easy install and configuration. In the Windows I just install the driver and the driver is responsible for offloading or switching the chips. I spent a couple of hours to configure it and gave up, because it is not easy to configure or even easy to troubleshoot. It is still easy: emerge bumblebee rc-update add bumblebee default That's all I did and it works. With Linux, I just add optirun in front of the command in the program-menu item. On MS Windows, I need to: 1) Start the program 2) Stop the program 3) Configure the driver to use the NVidia chipset for the program (It doesn't show in the list before I start it once) And for a lot of these, I need to redo it every time I update the drivers. A single GPU makes things simpler, but being able to have the best of both options: 1) Intel = low power = long battery life 2) Nvidia = good quality 3D, but shorter battery life The NVidia chip is actually switched off when not being used. (Or if not, I wouldn't notice as the battery life is significantly better after installing bumblebee and running the bumblebee service.) Thats right for the current setup, but it is possible to have a laptop with a powerful Intel GPU, right? If there is a powerful Intel GPU. But those don't come close to the specs NVidia and ATI put into the real GPUs. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 01:09:16 PM behrouz khosravi wrote: You need bumblebee. Otherwise it's not possible to use the Nvidia Optimus chip. I think that it is possible, or supposed to be possible! The gentoo wiki says that Nvidia drivers are now supporting the optimus, so it is called native optimus support I just waned to use optimus without that, but it seem the it is not easy! It's not possible, because the Nvidia Optimus chip isn't a full featured graphics card, and doesn't write directly to the screen. Joost already explained it pretty well. Exactly, that is why the Nvidia driver is using the xrandr for offloading the tasks. That convoluted method (xrandr..) is what bumblebee does in the background. Along with enabling/disabling the nvidia chip. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [14-12-17 10:40]: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:53:53 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Note that says parallel-fetch not build. From the man page: parallel-fetch: Fetch in the background while compiling. Run `tail -f /var/log/emerge-fetch.log` in a terminal to view parallel-fetch progress. Ahh, I think I see what you are saying. You want it to fetch and NOT compile until the fetch is finished. I'm not sure if there is a way to do that or not. Since it should be able to compile and fetch at the same time, why not try it that way and see how well it works? Yes, thats it: First download all stuff THEN start compiling. Why? The downloads will happen at the same rate but you'll have a head start on the compiling. The only disadvantage i can see is that you will not have a notification of when the download finishes, but you could work around that by having another script check emerge-fetch.log and send a shutdown to the PC when there is no further output. Would --jobs=0 help here? This would say No packages are build simultanously...I check that! No. --jobs controls package building, nothing to do with downloading. parallel-fetch in the closest to what you want as it grabs all the downloads as soon as possible. -- Neil Bothwick And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make Hi Neil, how can I (or the script) distinguish between an internet connection, which is heavily slowed down (no data), blocked or an currently not responding server and the end of all needed downloads? How can the script check for the last needed file has been downloaded successfully ? Best regards, Meino
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo repositories (Zugaina)
On Tuesday 16 December 2014 20:18:10 James wrote: I caught the beginning with a cntl Z CTRL-S and CTRL-Q are also very useful. Sometimes you have to be pretty quick on the keys, though. -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk [14-12-17 10:40]: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 07:53:53 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Note that says parallel-fetch not build. From the man page: parallel-fetch: Fetch in the background while compiling. Run `tail -f /var/log/emerge-fetch.log` in a terminal to view parallel-fetch progress. Ahh, I think I see what you are saying. You want it to fetch and NOT compile until the fetch is finished. I'm not sure if there is a way to do that or not. Since it should be able to compile and fetch at the same time, why not try it that way and see how well it works? Yes, thats it: First download all stuff THEN start compiling. Why? The downloads will happen at the same rate but you'll have a head start on the compiling. The only disadvantage i can see is that you will not have a notification of when the download finishes, but you could work around that by having another script check emerge-fetch.log and send a shutdown to the PC when there is no further output. Would --jobs=0 help here? This would say No packages are build simultanously...I check that! No. --jobs controls package building, nothing to do with downloading. parallel-fetch in the closest to what you want as it grabs all the downloads as soon as possible. -- Neil Bothwick And on the seventh day God said :wq and then make Hi Neil, how can I (or the script) distinguish between an internet connection, which is heavily slowed down (no data), blocked or an currently not responding server and the end of all needed downloads? How can the script check for the last needed file has been downloaded successfully ? Best regards, Meino If I understand you correctly, emerge can run into the same issue. If for example it needs to download a tarball or patch and the server that has it is not available, then emerge will skip that, download the rest and then stop fetching. So, either way, you can end up with things not downloaded. At least with the fetch option, it does all this at the beginning of the process instead of when it gets to the package it wants to emerge. The only way I see for this to work and not have to compute twice, set the fetch option, start the emerge and then monitor the fetch log. When it is done with the fetch part, then you can disconnect the internet connection and it should continue compiling. Other than that, I don't know of a way to do what you want. It is 4AM here so that may cloud up things a bit here. :/ Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo repositories (Zugaina)
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2014 20:18:10 James wrote: I caught the beginning with a cntl Z CTRL-S and CTRL-Q are also very useful. Sometimes you have to be pretty quick on the keys, though. Do you have a link that lists all those options? I'd like to read up on that some. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo repositories (Zugaina)
On Wednesday 17 December 2014 04:03:48 Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2014 20:18:10 James wrote: I caught the beginning with a cntl Z CTRL-S and CTRL-Q are also very useful. Sometimes you have to be pretty quick on the keys, though. Do you have a link that lists all those options? I'd like to read up on that some. No, sorry. That's just one I remember from about 20 years ago. Still up? ! :-) -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo repositories (Zugaina)
On Wednesday 17 December 2014 10:11:22 I wrote: On Wednesday 17 December 2014 04:03:48 Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2014 20:18:10 James wrote: I caught the beginning with a cntl Z CTRL-S and CTRL-Q are also very useful. Sometimes you have to be pretty quick on the keys, though. Do you have a link that lists all those options? I'd like to read up on that some. No, sorry. That's just one I remember from about 20 years ago. Googling for xterm control keys threw this up: http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_use_short-cut_keys_in_xterm_and_other_terminals -- Rgds Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
On 17/12/2014 11:03, Dale wrote: Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 17.12.2014 um 07:33 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Try cleaning the vents. Also, most couches have a tendency to compress when something like a laptop is on it. Effectively blocking all airflow. If the temperature goes to 99C when on top of a table, return the laptop to the shop as it is clearly not working properly. When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Not to be tried at home ;-) You don't have a fridge at home? ROFL Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up. ;-) At one time, I thought about putting a rig that ran sorta warm in my freezer. So you trade heat damage for water damage? Hm, I'd be thinking it's time for new computer that DoesCoolingRight(tm) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
Am 17.12.2014 um 07:35 schrieb J. Roeleveld: What issues did you experience? Honestly I don't remember anymore. But nouveau never worked well for me, maybe missing 3D performance or even support or other issues. I just switched to nvidia-drivers and had no problems. But it's a while ago that I tried nouveau. Heiko
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
Am 17.12.2014 um 10:39 schrieb behrouz khosravi: I think that it is possible, or supposed to be possible! The gentoo wiki says that Nvidia drivers are now supporting the optimus, so it is called native optimus support That's only true for the Windows version of the Nvidia driver, not for the Linux version. Heiko
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
Harry Putnam wrote: Its only on gentoo that I ran into this problem with the `run' menu item, so I know for certain it is not a general breakage as you seem to imply. You mentioned that you are using lxde... I'm assuming, on gentoo. So do you see the same problem with the `run' item on main menu? Same here, I did not notice before because I never use it. To be more precise, when I select 'Run' the panel disappears for ~1s then reappears but no 'Run' window. $ equery l lxde* * Searching for lxde* ... [IP-] [ ] lxde-base/lxde-common-0.5.5-r3:0 [IP-] [ ] lxde-base/lxde-icon-theme-0.5.0-r1:0 [IP-] [ ] lxde-base/lxde-meta-0.5.5-r4:0
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo repositories (Zugaina)
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 17 December 2014 10:11:22 I wrote: On Wednesday 17 December 2014 04:03:48 Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 16 December 2014 20:18:10 James wrote: I caught the beginning with a cntl Z CTRL-S and CTRL-Q are also very useful. Sometimes you have to be pretty quick on the keys, though. Do you have a link that lists all those options? I'd like to read up on that some. No, sorry. That's just one I remember from about 20 years ago. Googling for xterm control keys threw this up: http://how-to.wikia.com/wiki/How_to_use_short-cut_keys_in_xterm_and_other_terminals Yew da man!!! My first problem, I didn't know what to search for. That will get bookmarked and keyworded with ctrl to help me find it when I need it. Thanks much!! Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/12/2014 11:03, Dale wrote: Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 17.12.2014 um 07:33 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Try cleaning the vents. Also, most couches have a tendency to compress when something like a laptop is on it. Effectively blocking all airflow. If the temperature goes to 99C when on top of a table, return the laptop to the shop as it is clearly not working properly. When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Not to be tried at home ;-) You don't have a fridge at home? ROFL Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up. ;-) At one time, I thought about putting a rig that ran sorta warm in my freezer. So you trade heat damage for water damage? Hm, I'd be thinking it's time for new computer that DoesCoolingRight(tm) It was a hand me down. Since everything in there is well below freezing, it shouldn't get water damage. Now when I take it out of the freezer, that could get interesting and cause the issue you are raising which is why I never did it either. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: unix philosophy question for old farts: the original purpose for /tmp ?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:05 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: A pseudo-policy (pseudo since it wasn't, AFAIK, an official policy) was instituted whereby applications that were creating large files in /tmp should be patched to use /var/tmp. This has been the norm on Gentoo for ages - this is why package builds happen in /var/tmp. Many Gentoo users tend to mount /tmp as tmpfs. Actually, many tend to mount /var/tmp as tmpfs as well if they can afford the RAM - it GREATLY improves build times. I moved to building kernels in /var/tmp for the same reason. About the only time I find myself overriding TMPDIR is if I'm running sort on a large file (multi-GB). Merge sorts tend to be heavy on disk use, but fortunately sequential in disk access, so it makes sense to dump them to a disk if they're large. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 11:49:08 AM Heiko Baums wrote: Am 17.12.2014 um 10:39 schrieb behrouz khosravi: I think that it is possible, or supposed to be possible! The gentoo wiki says that Nvidia drivers are now supporting the optimus, so it is called native optimus support That's only true for the Windows version of the Nvidia driver, not for the Linux version. Heiko Not really, on MS Windows it is also handled by a seperate program. That bit just happens to be installed as part of the driver itself. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:52:44 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Yes, thats it: First download all stuff THEN start compiling. Why? The downloads will happen at the same rate but you'll have a head start on the compiling. The only disadvantage i can see is that you will not have a notification of when the download finishes, but you could work around that by having another script check emerge-fetch.log and send a shutdown to the PC when there is no further output. Would --jobs=0 help here? This would say No packages are build simultanously...I check that! No. --jobs controls package building, nothing to do with downloading. parallel-fetch in the closest to what you want as it grabs all the downloads as soon as possible. how can I (or the script) distinguish between an internet connection, which is heavily slowed down (no data), blocked or an currently not responding server and the end of all needed downloads? pgrep wget will tell you if a download is still in progress. It seems reasonable to assume that if there is no further output to the log and wget is no longer running, portage is no longer downloading files. Or you could get clever and set FETCH_COMMAND to a script that fetches the file and then notifies of completion. How can the script check for the last needed file has been downloaded successfully ? It can't, any more than portage does. Whether the download phases exists successfully or unsuccessfully your Internet connection is no longer being used, so you may as well shut down the PC. You are trying to use portage in a way that was not intended. That involves compromises, some work or both. Another alternative would be to use a USB to ethernet adaptor on the embedded board and connect it directory to your router. -- Neil Bothwick The word 'Windows' is a word out of an old dialect of the Apaches. It means: 'White man staring through glass-screen onto an hourglass...') pgpJiiv0J62Xk.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo repositories (Zugaina)
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 09:57:51 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: I caught the beginning with a cntl Z CTRL-S and CTRL-Q are also very useful. Sometimes you have to be pretty quick on the keys, though. Or run the command with script. -- Neil Bothwick Three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't. pgpVttP4XvxEH.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] convert VOB to ISO
On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:57, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: How to convert VOB to ISO? I want to burn it to DVD I'm using XFCE and was looking for a GUI application but I can not find one, I've tired DeVeDe but it didn't work. What you need is DVD-author. These are rare now a days. Here is a list: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DVD_authoring_applications I've been using Q DVD Author successfully for few times in 2011, but DVD-authoring wasn't at least back then fully automatic stuff. And also dvd's are becoming obsolete. You just create the menu structure and then the authoring program produces iso-image (videots.ifo/vts_0-0.vob). The 'DVD-language' kind of primitive (qbasic/any script). -- -Matti
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
On Dec 17, 2014, at 8:37, Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Not to be tried at home ;-) This is hilarious ;D -- -Matti
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
On Dec 17, 2014, at 12:56, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 17/12/2014 11:03, Dale wrote: Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: Am 17.12.2014 um 07:33 schrieb J. Roeleveld: Try cleaning the vents. Also, most couches have a tendency to compress when something like a laptop is on it. Effectively blocking all airflow. If the temperature goes to 99C when on top of a table, return the laptop to the shop as it is clearly not working properly. When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Not to be tried at home ;-) You don't have a fridge at home? ROFL Sorry, I couldn't pass that one up. ;-) At one time, I thought about putting a rig that ran sorta warm in my freezer. So you trade heat damage for water damage? Hm, I'd be thinking it's time for new computer that DoesCoolingRight(tm) It was a hand me down. Since everything in there is well below freezing, it shouldn't get water damage. Now when I take it out of the freezer, that could get interesting and cause the issue you are raising which is why I never did it either. Because the temperature of the laptop in the freezer will always be above dew point it will never get wet. When you take it out though it's temperature will most likely be below dew point of the ambient air so water will condensate unless the access of water is blocked by a plastic bag for example. -- -Matti
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
On 12/17/2014 02:46 PM, Matti Nykyri wrote: Because the temperature of the laptop in the freezer will always be above dew point it will never get wet. When you take it out though it's temperature will most likely be below dew point of the ambient air so water will condensate Right. Which is why he should turn it off as soon as he takes it out, and let it warm up to room temperature, before he turns it back on.
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org writes: On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 05:46:30 PM Erik Mackdanz wrote: Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de writes: I don't know if, but I don't think that, it will work with x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau. I used bumblebee for quite a while. It worked okay, but every upgrade I would have to fiddle with it again. I switched to the Nouveau driver and I'm very glad I did. Conventional wisdom says Nouveau quality is lower than Nvidia, but I found it worked better on some things (Second Life). As someone else pointed out, with Nouveau the GPU remains on all the time consuming power. This is the downside. If ease-of-use and/or open licensing are more important to you than top rendering quality and power consumption, consider using Nouveau. I've been using bumblebee for over a year now. (First laptop with Optimus) and not had any issues. It always works as advertised. What issues did you experience? I remember more than once changing bumblebee.conf during an upgrade, when the service failed to start. This is over two years ago now, so I don't remember any more than that. You could tell me that bumblebee is now stable and rock-solid, but I still wouldn't switch from Nouveau. I've had a good experience, and open source matters to me. On top of that, this laptop has only a year or so left before I replace it, and I know now to avoid Optimus entirely in the future. -- Joost -- Erik Mackdanz
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
On Dec 17, 2014, at 14:13, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:52:44 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Yes, thats it: First download all stuff THEN start compiling. If I were you, I would setup your pc to do cross-compiling of your arietta's packages and build them into binpkg's. This could be all stored on the pc and accessed via nfs for example. Then the first dependency calculation would be done on the pc to build the packages and the second on arietta using only binary packages. You should keep /etc/portage, /var/lib/portage and /usr/portage on the PC and not modifiable from the arietta. This way you only need to install the run time dependencies to the aritte. And install from bin pkg is really fast. Another alternative would be to use a USB to ethernet adaptor on the embedded board and connect it directory to your router. This also sounds good. Or setup server which has the usb and is always on. -- -Matti
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
On Wednesday, December 17, 2014 07:16:54 AM Erik Mackdanz wrote: J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org writes: On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 05:46:30 PM Erik Mackdanz wrote: Heiko Baums li...@baums-on-web.de writes: I don't know if, but I don't think that, it will work with x11-drivers/xf86-video-nouveau. I used bumblebee for quite a while. It worked okay, but every upgrade I would have to fiddle with it again. I switched to the Nouveau driver and I'm very glad I did. Conventional wisdom says Nouveau quality is lower than Nvidia, but I found it worked better on some things (Second Life). As someone else pointed out, with Nouveau the GPU remains on all the time consuming power. This is the downside. If ease-of-use and/or open licensing are more important to you than top rendering quality and power consumption, consider using Nouveau. I've been using bumblebee for over a year now. (First laptop with Optimus) and not had any issues. It always works as advertised. What issues did you experience? I remember more than once changing bumblebee.conf during an upgrade, when the service failed to start. This is over two years ago now, so I don't remember any more than that. A lot can happen in 2 years. (For instance a fork and complete re-write of the codebase) You could tell me that bumblebee is now stable and rock-solid, but I still wouldn't switch from Nouveau. I've had a good experience, and open source matters to me. Bumblebee also seems to support Nouveau. On top of that, this laptop has only a year or so left before I replace it, and I know now to avoid Optimus entirely in the future. That is your choice, I like the idea behind it and have no issues with the way it currently works. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
Hi, Heiko Baums writes: It's not possible, because the Nvidia Optimus chip isn't a full featured graphics card, and doesn't write directly to the screen. Joost already explained it pretty well. I'm using a T530 with Optimus. I can only external monitors only with the NVidia-Card, not with the integrated one. I tried to get the following working roughly two years ago, but I failed: I'd like to use the internal card most of the time since I don't care about 3D acceleration but I do care alot about power saving. When using an external monitor I'd like to use the NVidia card. Currently my solution is to reboot and change bios settings, being able to switch at runtime would be a real enhancement for me. Is this possible? Regards, -- Christian Kruse http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi [14-12-17 15:00]: On Dec 17, 2014, at 14:13, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:52:44 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Yes, thats it: First download all stuff THEN start compiling. If I were you, I would setup your pc to do cross-compiling of your arietta's packages and build them into binpkg's. This could be all stored on the pc and accessed via nfs for example. Then the first dependency calculation would be done on the pc to build the packages and the second on arietta using only binary packages. You should keep /etc/portage, /var/lib/portage and /usr/portage on the PC and not modifiable from the arietta. This way you only need to install the run time dependencies to the aritte. And install from bin pkg is really fast. Another alternative would be to use a USB to ethernet adaptor on the embedded board and connect it directory to your router. This also sounds good. Or setup server which has the usb and is always on. -- -Matti Hi Matti, thanks for your reply! :) crosscompiling is a pain. I tried several ways to do that (distcc was among them) and it fails too often, for two reasons: Often the sources are not prepared to be crosscompiled an include headers of my PC (64bit) into the build of my ARM boards (32bit). Second reason: If the crosscompilation needs meta-tools like moc for qt it fails too. The time to fiddle out that mess is nothing what I have... ;) Ethernet over USB: 1.) For each update I have to rearrange my setup here then. Back and forth. Back and forth... 2.) The DSL modem is running longer than needed. I dont like the idea to have my internet connection running over such a long time unattended. The problem must be solved in software. Best regards, Meino
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
It is still easy: emerge bumblebee rc-update add bumblebee default That's all I did and it works. I dont consider bumblebee as a support from nvidia! With Linux, I just add optirun in front of the command in the program-menu item. On MS Windows, I need to: 1) Start the program 2) Stop the program 3) Configure the driver to use the NVidia chipset for the program (It doesn't show in the list before I start it once) It seems that I was wrong about the way optimus is working in Windows. I never have tried to manually select a GPU for program. I thought that the switching is automatic in Windows, because my games were smooth in Windows! If there is a powerful Intel GPU. But those don't come close to the specs NVidia and ATI put into the real GPUs. Your right but I am not gonna need those specs for a laptop. Powerful cards are meant for a PC, where the power consumption and cooling are not that important
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:31 AM, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Matti Nykyri matti.nyk...@iki.fi [14-12-17 15:00]: On Dec 17, 2014, at 14:13, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:52:44 +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Yes, thats it: First download all stuff THEN start compiling. If I were you, I would setup your pc to do cross-compiling of your arietta's packages and build them into binpkg's. This could be all stored on the pc and accessed via nfs for example. Then the first dependency calculation would be done on the pc to build the packages and the second on arietta using only binary packages. You should keep /etc/portage, /var/lib/portage and /usr/portage on the PC and not modifiable from the arietta. This way you only need to install the run time dependencies to the aritte. And install from bin pkg is really fast. Another alternative would be to use a USB to ethernet adaptor on the embedded board and connect it directory to your router. This also sounds good. Or setup server which has the usb and is always on. -- -Matti Hi Matti, thanks for your reply! :) crosscompiling is a pain. I tried several ways to do that (distcc was among them) and it fails too often, for two reasons: Often the sources are not prepared to be crosscompiled an include headers of my PC (64bit) into the build of my ARM boards (32bit). Second reason: If the crosscompilation needs meta-tools like moc for qt it fails too. The time to fiddle out that mess is nothing what I have... ;) Ethernet over USB: 1.) For each update I have to rearrange my setup here then. Back and forth. Back and forth... 2.) The DSL modem is running longer than needed. I dont like the idea to have my internet connection running over such a long time unattended. The problem must be solved in software. Best regards, Meino The more common fix when dealing with that range of hardware is to build the packages on a more powerful system, then transfer them as binary packages. Doing so for arm board's a touch less trivial, but doable. This also solves the problem of fetching the same source packages repeatedly, if you share Distfiles between the build environments. I set up similar some time back based on these instructions: https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/handbook/?part=1chap=5 for a RasPI I was playing with and it worked pretty well. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
[gentoo-user] Re: Laptop Overheat
On 2014-12-16, Randy Westlund rwest...@gmail.com wrote: When I'm compiling something large and close the lid of my laptop (lid close events disabled) or leave it on the couch where it can't get proper airflow, it tends to overheat and crash. Don't do that. ;) If I leave it open and on a table, everything is fine. [...] Any ideas about where I should look? The CPU heatsink, the fan, and any filters through which air moves. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! How's the wife? at Is she at home enjoying gmail.comcapitalism?
[gentoo-user] Re: CI Continuous Integration
Sam Bishop sam at cygnus.email writes: Very interesting. A great example of how something can be both Gentoo and Not Gentoo. This is 100% Gentoo unlike Funtoo or Sabayon, but it brings in some of their advantages. Gentoo doesn't prevent us from having multiple package variants and this leads to cool stuff like being able to have a set of layman repositories that ebuilds graduate through in stages, from 'dev' to 'test' to 'stable'. Zentoo is certainly a site worth closer examination for CI ideas. I also see folks running CI locally on the codes they build and specifically need to be very robust. Epatch_user is another need for folks to employ CI on their own (local cluster), imho. And this is why I feel so strongly about Gentoo + Git + CI While github may not be the right place and raw 'git' not the right tool. I am a big fan of how phabricator + arcanist provides workflow guarantees on top of using git, such as the 'must pass the linter rules + tests' workflow and how it can track and reference external repos side by side with the repos it hosts. I ran across a recent thread [1] on another list about gentoo vs some of the other more common distros. Folks seem to be firmly in either camp; but more in the conventional distro camp. What I did find interesting is lots of corporations are running on hundreds of gentoo systems and using (chef, puppet, ansible or salt) to ease the management of large gentoo deployments. It's just nice to know that despite what many say (use a mainstream distro) Gentoo is alive and doing very well in the corporate world. I just wonder why more of them do not openly share management strategies for large gentoo deployments? [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin/comments/2nkswx/gentoo_in_production/ I feel the future belongs to Gentoo as steward of the ebuild format, portage and related tools more than as a 'meta distro'. CI is the force multiplier, when anyone who wants to build a Gentoo powered distro has a documented set of tools they can use to 'stand up the infrastructure' for things like package QA using a CI Server, a Binary Package build server/server farm, and Binary Package hosting for the build artefacts. By rights Gentoo not Debian, Arch or Fedora should be the Distro of choice for creating experimental niche distros from but we lack the kind of tools to make it 'easy' for people to do. I'm currently experimenting to see how many of these I can prototype inside Docker containers or LXC images and it looks quite promising. I'm just now learning and experimenting with docker and LXC. 'etest' is an interesting tool one of our devs is putting together in the spirit of testing combinations of flags for testing [2]. [2] https://github.com/alunduil/etest/ I could not agree more. I think Gentoo is on the verge of an emerging recognition not only of it's uniqueness, but that it fills a gap sorely need. I think that if CI and clusters become, routine for the masses of gentoo users, that will spring-board our rank and file members into jobs deploying Gentoo deeply into the business world. What extremely talented folks have done with Gentoo, I've seen many many times. Taking that power and intentionally making it available to the ordinary linux admin (average skills) could easily revolutionize the computing landscape. Gentoo will never be easy, but it is a very flexible and through solution for many areas of need. Zentoo and the (corporate usage thread) I posted all tell me that Gentoo is not only alive and doing well, it is on the move! James
[gentoo-user] Re: Laptop Overheat
Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards at gmail.com writes: When I'm compiling something large and close the lid of my laptop (lid close events disabled) or leave it on the couch where it can't get proper airflow, it tends to overheat and crash. Don't do that. ;) If I leave it open and on a table, everything is fine. Any ideas about where I should look? The CPU heatsink, the fan, and any filters through which air moves. You can alway open up a laptop's various covers and try to use compressed air to blow out accumulated dust. With older, hot running laptops, particularly when compiling significant amounts of packages, I use to put 1/2 inch wedges under each side to lift up the bottom of the laptop from the table surface. This increases air flow to the various fans and heat sinks, thus increasing the cooling system efficiency. Make sure it's always has a clean, cool airflow in the room you use it in. Heat is the enemy of all electronics, particularly if you want the electronics to have a relatively long life hth, James
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Laptop Overheat
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com [14-12-17 16:48]: Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards at gmail.com writes: When I'm compiling something large and close the lid of my laptop (lid close events disabled) or leave it on the couch where it can't get proper airflow, it tends to overheat and crash. Don't do that. ;) If I leave it open and on a table, everything is fine. Any ideas about where I should look? The CPU heatsink, the fan, and any filters through which air moves. You can alway open up a laptop's various covers and try to use compressed air to blow out accumulated dust. With older, hot running laptops, particularly when compiling significant amounts of packages, I use to put 1/2 inch wedges under each side to lift up the bottom of the laptop from the table surface. This increases air flow to the various fans and heat sinks, thus increasing the cooling system efficiency. Make sure it's always has a clean, cool airflow in the room you use it in. Heat is the enemy of all electronics, particularly if you want the electronics to have a relatively long life hth, James Hi all, ...is the laptop /reporting/ the problem (for example...a shutting down...too high temperature!-message is shown -- sorry I own none of these things...I am only asking... ;) or do you /feel/ the heat in form of hot air coming out of that beast? In case of the first...may be the heat conductive material between the CPU/GPU/nortbridge/southbridge dried out and the cooling cannot work anymore... Only my two cents... Best regards, Meino
[gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com writes: Harry Putnam reader at newsguy.com writes: James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: lxde is deprecated, imho. [1] lxqt is the future of that lineage [2] Sounds like propaganda rather rather than any sort of answer to the question. OK, if that is true, who is answering your questions on lxde, which I am still using? I have lots of breakage on lxde; I do not bother fixing. I'm working on migrating to lxqt. Good luck with lxde. For your information: Attached is message from the lxde devel gmane group from Jonathan Thibault jonat...@navigue.com. PS: I installed and tried out lxqt. I was not impressed. It appears only about half ready for production.
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
Thanasis wrote: On 12/17/2014 02:46 PM, Matti Nykyri wrote: Because the temperature of the laptop in the freezer will always be above dew point it will never get wet. When you take it out though it's temperature will most likely be below dew point of the ambient air so water will condensate Right. Which is why he should turn it off as soon as he takes it out, and let it warm up to room temperature, before he turns it back on. And I'd let it sit for a while just to be safe. Turning something on that still has condensation on/in it is a bad thing all the way around. I still remember one time MANY years ago when we got our first color TV. It was cold as heck too. Well, we left it in the back seat of the car while we was running around doing errands and the car never warmed up between trips. We were just bouncing around town. When we finally got home, my Dad brought the TV in and it took a little bit to unhook and move the old TV out and put the new TV in. By that time, it had built up enough condensation somewhere in there that it sparked and a few seconds later it really sparked. Then the smoke got out. We all know what happens when the smoke got out. Brand new TV was junk. If I had put that old thing in the freezer just to play around or something, I'd cut it off before taking it out, take the side off and let it warm up. Once warmed up, put a little fan on it overnight or something to be safe. I might add, my deep freezer runs between -10F and about 0F. I doubt any puter would warm up much unless it is using really small heat sinks. It would certainly be under cooled for a room temp environment. It was just a thought tho. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
Hi, Stefan G. Weichinger writes: When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Haha, this whole thread reminded me of this XKCD: http://xkcd.com/1172/ Regards, -- Christian Kruse http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
Harry Putnam wrote: James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com writes: Harry Putnam reader at newsguy.com writes: James wireless at tampabay.rr.com writes: lxde is deprecated, imho. [1] lxqt is the future of that lineage [2] Sounds like propaganda rather rather than any sort of answer to the question. OK, if that is true, who is answering your questions on lxde, which I am still using? I have lots of breakage on lxde; I do not bother fixing. I'm working on migrating to lxqt. Good luck with lxde. For your information: Attached is message from the lxde devel gmane group from Jonathan Thibault jonat...@navigue.com. PS: I installed and tried out lxqt. I was not impressed. It appears only about half ready for production. What was supposed to be attached again? ;-) Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
Raffaele BELARDI raffaele.bela...@st.com writes: Harry Putnam wrote: Its only on gentoo that I ran into this problem with the `run' menu item, so I know for certain it is not a general breakage as you seem to imply. You mentioned that you are using lxde... I'm assuming, on gentoo. So do you see the same problem with the `run' item on main menu? Same here, I did not notice before because I never use it. To be more precise, when I select 'Run' the panel disappears for ~1s then reappears but no 'Run' window. $ equery l lxde* * Searching for lxde* ... [IP-] [ ] lxde-base/lxde-common-0.5.5-r3:0 [IP-] [ ] lxde-base/lxde-icon-theme-0.5.0-r1:0 [IP-] [ ] lxde-base/lxde-meta-0.5.5-r4:0 Thanks for the helpful input... please see my message furhter in thread with an attached post from an lxde developer that explains a bit about what we are seeing.
[gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: For your information: Attached is message from the lxde devel gmane group from Jonathan Thibault jonat...@navigue.com. Whoops forgot to attach Jonathan's message: From nobody Wed Dec 17 12:33:39 2014 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jonathan Thibault jonat...@navigue.com Newsgroups: gmane.comp.desktop.lxde.devel Subject: Re: main menu `run' item produces no dialog Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:36:05 -0500 Lines: 191 Approved: n...@gmane.org Message-ID: 5490a5c5.9090...@navigue.com References: 877fxrv0pz@reader.local.lan NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=070107080209010203000207 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418765821 14997 80.91.229.3 (16 Dec 2014 21:37:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: use...@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:37:01 + (UTC) To: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com, lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: lxde-list-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net Tue Dec 16 22:36:56 2014 Return-path: lxde-list-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net Envelope-to: gcdld-lxde-l...@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.sourceforge.net ([216.34.181.88]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from lxde-list-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net) id 1Y0znZ-0005ok-Sq for gcdld-lxde-l...@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 22:36:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from lxde-list-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net) id 1Y0zmx-0008Nt-7y; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:36:15 + Original-Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from jonat...@navigue.com) id 1Y0zmv-0008Nk-DU for lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:36:13 + Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of navigue.com designates 74.117.40.3 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.117.40.3; envelope-from=jonat...@navigue.com; helo=mail.navigue.com; Original-Received: from mail.navigue.com ([74.117.40.3]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1Y0zmt-0007KI-Lq for lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 21:36:13 + Original-Received: from [192.168.7.190] (unknown [74.117.40.10]) by mail.navigue.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C425B1A01A9; Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:36:05 -0500 (EST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 In-Reply-To: 877fxrv0pz@reader.local.lan X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1Y0zmt-0007KI-Lq X-BeenThere: lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: lxde-list.lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list, mailto:lxde-list-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=lxde-list List-Post: mailto:lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net List-Help: mailto:lxde-list-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help List-Subscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list, mailto:lxde-list-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe Errors-To: lxde-list-boun...@lists.sourceforge.net Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.desktop.lxde.devel:5536 Archived-At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.desktop.lxde.devel/5536 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --070107080209010203000207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The version of lxpanel included in gentoo actually segfaults when using 'run'. You should see it crash and respawn. This is fixed under the new version of lxpanel but gentoo isn't pushing it yet. There's extensive fixes in lxterminal 0.2.0 which is also not included in gentoo. I've included a couple ebuilds for convenience though they might not work right now since sourceforge in emergency maintenance mode. Jonathan On 16/12/14 02:44 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Setup: Very new install gentoo linux lxde version 0.5.5 This is very new install of gentoo, however I have installed lxde on quite a few different hosts over time, and never hit this particular problem. I have no idea how to debug it. After the install was complete I startrf X and lxde with startx. Once
[gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: What was supposed to be attached again? ;-) Dale hehe... after noticing my `senior moment, I did repost to include the attachement ... I don't see it on the group, perhaps no attachments are allowed... Here is it is inline: --- --- ---=--- --- --- NOTE: [-ed HP The ebuild referred to can be gotten on the gmane group that appears in Jonathan's headers below, if anyone is interested ] --- --- ---=--- --- --- From: Jonathan Thibault jonat...@navigue.com Newsgroups: gmane.comp.desktop.lxde.devel Subject: Re: main menu `run' item produces no dialog Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:36:05 -0500 [...] snipped piles of headers The version of lxpanel included in gentoo actually segfaults when using 'run'. You should see it crash and respawn. This is fixed under the new version of lxpanel but gentoo isn't pushing it yet. There's extensive fixes in lxterminal 0.2.0 which is also not included in gentoo. I've included a couple ebuilds for convenience though they might not work right now since sourceforge in emergency maintenance mode. Jonathan
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 11:18:54PM +, Mick wrote: There may be nothing wrong with your configuration, but something wrong with the design of your laptop. Some laptops are not designed particularly well with regards to ventilation. In the summer I have a desk fan which I turn on and direct it on the side of the laptop, so that air blows above and below. The temperatures drop by more than 10-15C in a couple of minutes. Perhaps you should try something similar. -- Regards, Mick Okay, glad to hear I'm not doing something wrong. I'll try to clean it and be better about putting a wedge under it when I compile and walk away. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 07:37:24AM +0100, Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Not to be tried at home ;-) Hahaha, I've actually considered this before but decided that I'd only end up melting my ice cream... signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] question/feature request: First fetch, then compile...
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 09:41:06AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote:
With some manual operations:
Capture the output of emerge -vp
Edit it to call
ebuild full patch to package.ebuild fetch
for each package.
Then issue emerge without -p
Way too complicated.
emerge -pvuND world
check list, ensure everything is OK, etc etc. Then
emerge -vunDf world
emerge -vuND world
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Hi,
thanks for your replies...
...I currently do two emerges, one with -f the second
without.
And as merntioned in my initiao mail, I dont want it, since it implies
two Calculating dependencies which is once too often...
This was the initial reason for asking...
Well, when I run into this (my old netbook needs over 15 minutes for the
dependency calculations of a deep world update), I do -avuD world. Once the
output is shown, portage will wait for me to answer 'yes'.
Then I go to another terminal where I run emerge -f with the -O option,
because now I know which packages to fetch, thus eliminating the need for a
second dependency calculation. If the list of packages is small, I just type
the names by hand. If the list is larger, I usually prepare a list in vim
that I can paste to the emerge command.
Say you have output from emerge like so (my situation right now):
...
[ebuild U ] media-fonts/dejavu-2.34 [2.33] USE=X -fontforge 4.597 KiB
[ebuild U ] dev-libs/tinyxml2-2.2.0:0/2 [1.0.9_p20121123:0/0]
USE=-static-libs {-test} 445 KiB
[ebuild rR] kde-base/libkexiv2-4.14.3:4/4.14 USE=xmp (-aqua) -debug 0
KiB
...
Copy-paste that into a file 'emerge.out'. If you run screen/tmux, that’s
easily done even on a mouse-less terminal. Then use the following
sed-oneliner on it which I just conjured up:
sed -e '/ 0 KiB$/d' -e 's/.\{17\}/=/' -e 's/ .*//'
It first removes all lines ending in 0 KiB (meaning no download
necessary) and then removes everything around the package name and version,
converting
[ebuild U ] media-fonts/dejavu-2.34 [2.33] USE=X -fontforge 4.597 KiB
into
=media-fonts/dejavu-2.34
Finally, feed that to emerge -fO:
emerge -fO $(sed -e '/ 0 KiB$/d' -e 's/.\{17\}/=/' -e 's/ .*//' emerge.out)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: new install using lxdeL no `run' cmd
Harry Putnam wrote: Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com writes: What was supposed to be attached again? ;-) Dale hehe... after noticing my `senior moment, I did repost to include the attachement ... I don't see it on the group, perhaps no attachments are allowed... Here is it is inline: --- --- ---=--- --- --- NOTE: [-ed HP The ebuild referred to can be gotten on the gmane group that appears in Jonathan's headers below, if anyone is interested ] --- --- ---=--- --- --- From: Jonathan Thibault jonat...@navigue.com Newsgroups: gmane.comp.desktop.lxde.devel Subject: Re: main menu `run' item produces no dialog Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2014 16:36:05 -0500 [...] snipped piles of headers The version of lxpanel included in gentoo actually segfaults when using 'run'. You should see it crash and respawn. This is fixed under the new version of lxpanel but gentoo isn't pushing it yet. There's extensive fixes in lxterminal 0.2.0 which is also not included in gentoo. I've included a couple ebuilds for convenience though they might not work right now since sourceforge in emergency maintenance mode. Jonathan It made it to the list and folks attach stuff a lot so it is allowed. Anyway, we were likely typing at about the same time. I just wanted to make sure you knew it wasn't attached. Senior moment? I'm 47 here and do this sort of thing quite often. I hope I'm not *to* senior. lol Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] akonadi-server upgrade desaster
Hi folks, it seems there's no way for me to upgrade my akonadi-server 1.11.0 to 1.12.x or 1.13.x. I am using an external MySQL for years, but it fails to upgrade the tables nor will it recreate them without errors if I drop them all. All I can do is to downgrade to 1.11.0 again and restore the DB schema from a backup. When I start akonadi manually with the DB restored for version 1.11.0, I get: === % ~ $ akonadictl start Starting Akonadi Server... done. Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) ~ $ search paths: (/usr/local/bin, /usr/bin, /bin, /opt/bin, /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.3, /usr/games/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin, /usr/local/libexec, /usr/libexec, /opt/mysql/libexec, /opt/local/lib/mysql5/bin, /opt/mysql/sbin) Found mysql_install_db: Found mysqlcheck: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'initConnection' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. Database akonadi opened using driver QMYSQL DbInitializer::run() checking table SchemaVersionTable checking table ResourceTable checking table CollectionTable ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN enabled BOOL NOT NULL DEFAULT true ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN syncPref TINYINT DEFAULT 2 ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN displayPref TINYINT DEFAULT 2 ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN indexPref TINYINT DEFAULT 2 ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN referenced BOOL NOT NULL DEFAULT false ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN queryAttributes VARBINARY(255) ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN queryCollections VARBINARY(255) checking table MimeTypeTable checking table PimItemTable checking table FlagTable checking table PartTypeTable CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Sql error: Table '`akonadi`.`PartTypeTable`' already exists QMYSQL: Unable to execute query Query: CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Unable to initialize database. [== skipped stack trace ==] ProcessControl: Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) search paths: (/usr/local/bin, /usr/bin, /bin, /opt/bin, /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.3, /usr/games/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin, /usr/local/libexec, /usr/libexec, /opt/mysql/libexec, /opt/local/lib/mysql5/bin, /opt/mysql/sbin) Found mysql_install_db: Found mysqlcheck: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'initConnection' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. Database akonadi opened using driver QMYSQL DbInitializer::run() checking table SchemaVersionTable checking table ResourceTable checking table CollectionTable checking table MimeTypeTable checking table PimItemTable checking table FlagTable checking table PartTypeTable CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Sql error: Can't create table 'akonadi.PartTypeTable' (errno: -1) QMYSQL: Unable to execute query Query: CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Unable to initialize database. [== skipped stack trace ==] ProcessControl: Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) === % It tries to create the (new) table PartTypeTable, fails with the obscure table already exists error and fails on any subsequent try with this errno -1. One problem seems to be that all my akonadi tables are based on the MyISAM engine (executed before the failed upgrade attempt): === % mysql SELECT TABLE_NAME,ENGINE FROM information_schema.TABLES WHERE TABLE_SCHEMA='akonadi'; +++ | TABLE_NAME | ENGINE | +++ | CollectionAttributeTable | MyISAM | | CollectionMimeTypeRelation | MyISAM | | CollectionPimItemRelation | MyISAM | | CollectionTable| MyISAM | | FlagTable | MyISAM | | MimeTypeTable | MyISAM | | PartTable | MyISAM | | PimItemFlagRelation| MyISAM | | PimItemTable | MyISAM | | ResourceTable | MyISAM | | SchemaVersionTable | MyISAM | +++ 11 rows in set (0.00 sec) === %
[gentoo-user] firefox.bin vs firefox
Is there any advantage one way or the other emerging firefox.bin vs firefox?
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox.bin vs firefox
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Is there any advantage one way or the other emerging firefox.bin vs firefox? There are advantages to both, really, since firefox-bin uses a pre-built executable (with a pre-defined set of compile-time options), while firefox builds from source, using the options defined by the list of applicable USE flags. The tradeoff is time, heat, and electricity in return for more options in what is (or isn't) included and enabled. -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox.bin vs firefox
On 18/12/2014 04:45, Harry Putnam wrote: Is there any advantage one way or the other emerging firefox.bin vs firefox? Depends on your needs: firefox: - pro: you get all the USE flags - pro: you don't get bundled libs from Mozilla, the ebuild can use system libs - pro: the compiled binaries are integrated into gentoo like other ebuilds - con: slow compiles. I have 8 i7 cores and 16G. the merge takes 20-35 minutes... firefox-bin: - pro: fast install. It's a binary package - con: you get all of Mozilla's bundled libs - con: No USE, no choices. If Mozilla eg decides to ship with pulseaudio, then that is what you must have on your end - con: poor integration with the rest of your system. Files go where Mozilla says they go, the devs can only do so much to make stuff standard. As I see it, go with firefox unless you can't spend the cpu cycles to build it locally. That's true of almost all -bin packages -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Laptop Overheat
;-) Yes, nice. To explain: I only let the thinkpad in there for maybe 10 minutes or so ... So the risk is minimized, I assume. Am 17. Dezember 2014 18:44:37 MEZ, schrieb Christian Kruse c...@defunct.ch: Hi, Stefan G. Weichinger writes: When I compile bigger packages on my small ThinkPad X220 I sometimes put it into the fridge ;-) This effectively cools it down rather quickly ... and I ssh in via wifi. Haha, this whole thread reminded me of this XKCD: http://xkcd.com/1172/ Regards, -- Christian Kruse http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/ -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet.
Re: [gentoo-user] [SOLVED] convert VOB to ISO
On 12/17/14 14:24, Matti Nykyri wrote: On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:57, Joseph syscon...@gmail.com wrote: How to convert VOB to ISO? I want to burn it to DVD I'm using XFCE and was looking for a GUI application but I can not find one, I've tired DeVeDe but it didn't work. What you need is DVD-author. These are rare now a days. Here is a list: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DVD_authoring_applications I've been using Q DVD Author successfully for few times in 2011, but DVD-authoring wasn't at least back then fully automatic stuff. And also dvd's are becoming obsolete. You just create the menu structure and then the authoring program produces iso-image (videots.ifo/vts_0-0.vob). The 'DVD-language' kind of primitive (qbasic/any script). -- -Matti I used DVD-author few years ago but I was short on time and had to make a few DVD's in about about 8-hours. I forgot most of the commands and didn't have tome to re-learn most of it. I used: - Imagination - to make VOB's crunching 800+ pictures takes few hours. The only problem I had is that it gives you a lengh of time of the show but it will not calculate the size of the VOB in advance. So if the VOB is over 4.7GB it will fit to DVD; especially if you include rotating effects. - DVD Styler - worked very good to create cover / subtitles and ISO - To burn ISO on XFCE I used Xfburn - it was picky but it worked. -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox.bin vs firefox
On 12/17/2014 04:59 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 18/12/2014 04:45, Harry Putnam wrote: Is there any advantage one way or the other emerging firefox.bin vs firefox? Depends on your needs: firefox: - pro: you get all the USE flags - pro: you don't get bundled libs from Mozilla, the ebuild can use system libs - pro: the compiled binaries are integrated into gentoo like other ebuilds - con: slow compiles. I have 8 i7 cores and 16G. the merge takes 20-35 minutes... Really? 20-35 minutes? I have 6 cores and 32G, and firefox only takes 10 minutes. Do you have PORTAGE_TMPDIR mounted on tmpfs? Alec
[gentoo-user] Re: emerge matplotlib-1.3.0 fails
On 12/17/2014 03:46 AM, rhan...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, When emergin matplotlib (as dependency of ipython) it fails with the following error: src/_png.cpp:264:13: error: 'npy_PyFile_DupClose' was not declared in Full output of build.log, emerge --info and emerge -pqv is attached I believe the real error message appears several lines above the one you quoted above: In file included from /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/ndarraytypes.h:1804:0, from /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/ndarrayobject.h:17, from /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/arrayobject.h:4, from src/_png.cpp:28: /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/numpy/core/include/numpy/npy_1_7_deprecated_api.h:15:2: warning: #warning Using deprecated NumPy API, disable it by #defining NPY_NO_DEPRECATED_API NPY_1_7_API_VERSION [-Wcpp] #warning Using deprecated NumPy API, disable it by \ ^ src/_png.cpp:243:48: error: macro npy_PyFile_DupClose requires 3 arguments, but only 2 given ^^ That kind of message is classic for a mis-matched library version. In this case the numpy library is either too new or too old for the package you're trying to emerge. Are you mixing stable/unstable packages on that machine? If not, then this looks like a bug in the ebuild.
[gentoo-user] Re: firefox.bin vs firefox
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: On 18/12/2014 04:45, Harry Putnam wrote: Is there any advantage one way or the other emerging firefox.bin vs firefox? Depends on your needs: firefox: - pro: you get all the USE flags - pro: you don't get bundled libs from Mozilla, the ebuild can use system libs - pro: the compiled binaries are integrated into gentoo like other ebuilds - con: slow compiles. I have 8 i7 cores and 16G. the merge takes 20-35 minutes... firefox-bin: - pro: fast install. It's a binary package - con: you get all of Mozilla's bundled libs - con: No USE, no choices. If Mozilla eg decides to ship with pulseaudio, then that is what you must have on your end - con: poor integration with the rest of your system. Files go where Mozilla says they go, the devs can only do so much to make stuff standard. As I see it, go with firefox unless you can't spend the cpu cycles to build it locally. That's true of almost all -bin packages Thanks posters... and especially this compete walk-thru. Looks like its best to stick to the gentoo way of doing things and go with non `bin'.
Re: [gentoo-user] firefox.bin vs firefox
Alec Ten Harmsel a...@alectenharmsel.com wrote: On 12/17/2014 04:59 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: On 18/12/2014 04:45, Harry Putnam wrote: Is there any advantage one way or the other emerging firefox.bin vs firefox? Depends on your needs: firefox: - pro: you get all the USE flags - pro: you don't get bundled libs from Mozilla, the ebuild can use system libs - pro: the compiled binaries are integrated into gentoo like other ebuilds - con: slow compiles. I have 8 i7 cores and 16G. the merge takes 20-35 minutes... Really? 20-35 minutes? I have 6 cores and 32G, and firefox only takes 10 minutes. Do you have PORTAGE_TMPDIR mounted on tmpfs? Alec Mine takes more than an hour, I don't use tmpfs for /var/tmp/portage because sometimes I need many gigs even more than memory for certain packages. But Linux is pretty good at disk caching, so I wonder if that is it? -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: firefox.bin vs firefox
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 01:46:45AM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com writes: On 18/12/2014 04:45, Harry Putnam wrote: Is there any advantage one way or the other emerging firefox.bin vs firefox? Depends on your needs: […] firefox-bin: […] - con: poor integration with the rest of your system. Files go where Mozilla says they go, the devs can only do so much to make stuff standard. As I see it, go with firefox unless you can't spend the cpu cycles to build it locally. That's true of almost all -bin packages Thanks posters... and especially this compete walk-thru. Looks like its best to stick to the gentoo way of doing things and go with non `bin'. The only real problem I have with Firefox-bin (though I have no idea whether the non-bin is any better) is that it doesn't install as many icon files, which usually leaves me with too small an icon in KDE’s Alt-Tab switcher. I don’t have this problem on Arch. I once -- just for fun -- compiled Firefox on an Atom N450. This has no effect on the loading time of 20 seconds. ^^ -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me with any social network. I think, therefore I am at the wrong place. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Nvidia and optimus
On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 18:49:08 +0330 behrouz khosravi bz.khosr...@gmail.com wrote: On MS Windows, I need to: 1) Start the program 2) Stop the program 3) Configure the driver to use the NVidia chipset for the program (It doesn't show in the list before I start it once) It seems that I was wrong about the way optimus is working in Windows. I never have tried to manually select a GPU for program. I thought that the switching is automatic in Windows, because my games were smooth in Windows! That NVidia utility automagically recognizes some games for which it should switch the NVidia GPU on, but coverage is far from comprehensive. In case it doesn't recognize a program, those three steps are necessary.
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia and optimus
On Dec 16, 2014 2:38 PM, J. Roeleveld jo...@antarean.org wrote: On Tuesday, December 16, 2014 02:12:06 PM behrouz khosravi wrote: Hello everyone. I was trying to get native optimus support for my laptop using the Nvidia driver, but after startx the screen goes black for some several seconds and xserver exits. The output messages are attached. I just added a dot to end of xorg.conf and .xinitrc to bypass it for now. Thanks for your time. Did you install and configure Bumblebee? I haven't configured anything special myself and got it working following the official documentation: http://bumblebee-project.org/install.html#Gentoo emerge bumblebee After installation completes, add yourself to the bumblebee group to enable use of the optirun command. You will have to re-login for group changes to take effect. -- Joost Not actually, I wanted to get it working without bumblebee, but it seems that its not easy! In my Arch box a I couldent manage too set up too. I guess I will try that sometime.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CI Continuous Integration
Great response, but I just have to express my difference of opinion here. Gentoo will never be easy, but it is a very flexible and through solution for many areas of need. That flexibility means we who chose to participate in 'building' Gentoo have the power to make it as flexible as we want. I want a future where the ebuild is up there with Make files as a 'standard tool' in the arsenal of software developers, and nothing stops us making it happen. There are good examples out there for this: The AUR on Arch Linux, shows how with the right tools and documentation like, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PKGBUILD, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Creating_packages#PKGBUILD_functions, and https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AUR_User_Guidelines#Submitting_packages. and also NetBSD with their pkgsrc tools are very well developed (http://www.netbsd.org/docs/pkgsrc/faq.html#faq-pkgtools) in particular url2pkg and pkglint which let you just 'bootstrap' a package from just a URL to a source tar ball and pkglint, this kind of code shows how easy package creation can be, I think we could even have a web interface for people to submit new software into the 'experimental' pile so that a hypothetical Gentoo CI system can test them out. The power at our disposal could even let us 'harvest' the AUR and other software sources mechanically with daily scripts to download their packages, analyse them and build new packages for us. Obviously this would require some effort to build things like dependency translation lists, but to be honest, anything to do with package management is a DEEP rabbit hole we can go down. At the moment the more I learn about the ChromeOS tools the more I wonder if I should start counting every ChromeOS, device as a 'Gentoo installation that doesn't know it'. Early next year I will probably buy a ChromeBook Pixel in order to experiment more with just how easy it is to put the 'full power' back on top of the ChromeOS base. I suspect it won't be hard, the dev tools let you build packages and push them to a ChromeOS device over the network, I should be able to just either push any new package I want from my sever to the laptop. Or just push portage itself back onto the device. Mindful of the aforementioned rabbit hole, I'll stop myself here and sum it up by saying that I don't see any reason Gentoo must be hard. On 17 December 2014 at 23:37, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Sam Bishop sam at cygnus.email writes: Very interesting. A great example of how something can be both Gentoo and Not Gentoo. This is 100% Gentoo unlike Funtoo or Sabayon, but it brings in some of their advantages. Gentoo doesn't prevent us from having multiple package variants and this leads to cool stuff like being able to have a set of layman repositories that ebuilds graduate through in stages, from 'dev' to 'test' to 'stable'. Zentoo is certainly a site worth closer examination for CI ideas. I also see folks running CI locally on the codes they build and specifically need to be very robust. Epatch_user is another need for folks to employ CI on their own (local cluster), imho. And this is why I feel so strongly about Gentoo + Git + CI While github may not be the right place and raw 'git' not the right tool. I am a big fan of how phabricator + arcanist provides workflow guarantees on top of using git, such as the 'must pass the linter rules + tests' workflow and how it can track and reference external repos side by side with the repos it hosts. I ran across a recent thread [1] on another list about gentoo vs some of the other more common distros. Folks seem to be firmly in either camp; but more in the conventional distro camp. What I did find interesting is lots of corporations are running on hundreds of gentoo systems and using (chef, puppet, ansible or salt) to ease the management of large gentoo deployments. It's just nice to know that despite what many say (use a mainstream distro) Gentoo is alive and doing very well in the corporate world. I just wonder why more of them do not openly share management strategies for large gentoo deployments? [1] http://www.reddit.com/r/linuxadmin/comments/2nkswx/gentoo_in_production/ I feel the future belongs to Gentoo as steward of the ebuild format, portage and related tools more than as a 'meta distro'. CI is the force multiplier, when anyone who wants to build a Gentoo powered distro has a documented set of tools they can use to 'stand up the infrastructure' for things like package QA using a CI Server, a Binary Package build server/server farm, and Binary Package hosting for the build artefacts. By rights Gentoo not Debian, Arch or Fedora should be the Distro of choice for creating experimental niche distros from but we lack the kind of tools to make it 'easy' for people to do. I'm currently experimenting to see how many of these I can prototype inside Docker containers or LXC images and it looks quite
Re: [gentoo-user] akonadi-server upgrade desaster
On Wednesday 17 Dec 2014 19:13:03 Jörg Schaible wrote: Hi folks, it seems there's no way for me to upgrade my akonadi-server 1.11.0 to 1.12.x or 1.13.x. I am using an external MySQL for years, but it fails to upgrade the tables nor will it recreate them without errors if I drop them all. All I can do is to downgrade to 1.11.0 again and restore the DB schema from a backup. When I start akonadi manually with the DB restored for version 1.11.0, I get: === % ~ $ akonadictl start Starting Akonadi Server... done. Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) ~ $ search paths: (/usr/local/bin, /usr/bin, /bin, /opt/bin, /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.3, /usr/games/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin, /usr/local/libexec, /usr/libexec, /opt/mysql/libexec, /opt/local/lib/mysql5/bin, /opt/mysql/sbin) Found mysql_install_db: Found mysqlcheck: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'initConnection' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. Database akonadi opened using driver QMYSQL DbInitializer::run() checking table SchemaVersionTable checking table ResourceTable checking table CollectionTable ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN enabled BOOL NOT NULL DEFAULT true ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN syncPref TINYINT DEFAULT 2 ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN displayPref TINYINT DEFAULT 2 ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN indexPref TINYINT DEFAULT 2 ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN referenced BOOL NOT NULL DEFAULT false ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN queryAttributes VARBINARY(255) ALTER TABLE CollectionTable ADD COLUMN queryCollections VARBINARY(255) checking table MimeTypeTable checking table PimItemTable checking table FlagTable checking table PartTypeTable CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Sql error: Table '`akonadi`.`PartTypeTable`' already exists QMYSQL: Unable to execute query Query: CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Unable to initialize database. [== skipped stack trace ==] ProcessControl: Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) search paths: (/usr/local/bin, /usr/bin, /bin, /opt/bin, /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.3, /usr/games/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /home/joehni/bin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local/sbin, /usr/local/libexec, /usr/libexec, /opt/mysql/libexec, /opt/local/lib/mysql5/bin, /opt/mysql/sbin) Found mysql_install_db: Found mysqlcheck: /usr/bin/mysqlcheck QSqlDatabasePrivate::removeDatabase: connection 'initConnection' is still in use, all queries will cease to work. Database akonadi opened using driver QMYSQL DbInitializer::run() checking table SchemaVersionTable checking table ResourceTable checking table CollectionTable checking table MimeTypeTable checking table PimItemTable checking table FlagTable checking table PartTypeTable CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Sql error: Can't create table 'akonadi.PartTypeTable' (errno: -1) QMYSQL: Unable to execute query Query: CREATE TABLE PartTypeTable (id BIGINT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY, name VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL, ns VARBINARY(255) NOT NULL) COLLATE=utf8_general_ci DEFAULT CHARSET=utf8 Unable to initialize database. [== skipped stack trace ==] ProcessControl: Application 'akonadiserver' returned with exit code 255 (Unknown error) === % It tries to create the (new) table PartTypeTable, fails with the obscure table already exists error and fails on any subsequent try with this errno -1. One problem seems to be that all my akonadi tables are based on the MyISAM engine (executed before the failed upgrade attempt): === % mysql SELECT TABLE_NAME,ENGINE FROM information_schema.TABLES WHERE TABLE_SCHEMA='akonadi'; +++ | TABLE_NAME | ENGINE | +++ | CollectionAttributeTable | MyISAM | | CollectionMimeTypeRelation | MyISAM | | CollectionPimItemRelation | MyISAM | | CollectionTable| MyISAM | | FlagTable | MyISAM | | MimeTypeTable | MyISAM | | PartTable | MyISAM | | PimItemFlagRelation| MyISAM | | PimItemTable | MyISAM | | ResourceTable | MyISAM | | SchemaVersionTable | MyISAM |
[gentoo-user] What is the correct way to remove an old gcc-version (emerge --depclean) ?
Hi, on my embedded system I currently ran into a problem: As adviced after a greater world update I did emerge --depclean -vp beside other stuff sys-devel/gcc was shown as candidate for removal. An old version was shown for removal and a newer one was shown as preserved. I checked with eselect, whether the new version was selected (it was), made a backup and started emerge --depclean -v. As soon it has removed gcc, a firework of error brightened my terminal...beside other things the shell failed while trying to access libgcc (if I had recognized that correctly...). Technically no problem: I stopped that, cleared the sdcard and installed the backup...but what did I wrong here? What is the correct way to handle such things? Best regards, Meino
