Re: [gentoo-user] How do I change an X keyboard layout?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 22 October 2015 20:25:51 Alan Mackenzie wrote:

--->8

> So all I've got to do now is make a patch and put it into
> /etc/portage/patches so that I won't lose the changes at the next update
> of xkb.

...or add those file names to CONFIG_PROTECT in make.conf. Then you'll be 
invited to etc-update them when xkb changes.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade and firefox/seamonkey issues

[Dale]

Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 22 October 2015 17:11:42 Dale wrote:
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>> On 22/10/2015 23:51, Dale wrote:
 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:07:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
>> Of course, there is better ways of finding this info but I never can
>> remember the command and it takes me a bit to figure out what options
>> do what so I finally said "screw it" and work without it unless I just
>> must have it.  If I only need one, I use the date command.  It
>> works.  ;-)
> genlop -l --date yesterday
>
> Not too hard to remember :)
 It is when you only use it once every year or two.  Generally, it is
 rare that I have to even go look at the emerge log file.  This is likely
 the first time I have looked in there in a good long while. Maybe over a
 year.  Sometimes, I wonder if I even need the thing.
>>> Of course you need it - genlop won't work without it
>> That's the point.  I rarely use it.  The only genlop command I may use
>> every once in a while is genlop -c.  I use that to see how long
>> something has been compiling or if it is a major upgrade, what is
>> actually being compiled at the time.  Generally, the estimated time
>> remaining is worthless.  Most of the time, it isn't even in the ballpark.
> Genlop is just a simple tool. I know of two cases it doesn't cope with well: 
> first, simultaneous emerges of the same package in the main system and in a 
> chroot; second, emerge -k.
>
> I sometimes do a batch of emerge -B followed with emerge -k. The time taken 
> from emerge.log is tiny in that case, but genlop still includes it in its 
> calculation of average emerge time.
>
> Any time I want to emerge -e world I do it that way. Also any KDE upgrade 
> gets 
> the same treatment: first compile the packages, then shut down KDE and 
> install 
> them. That way I don't get problems in trying to restart KDE when half its 
> code has changed.
>


What I have noticed about the time estimation is this.  When emerge is
working on several packages compiled in parallel, that slows each
package down.  Instead of using all four cores to work on one package,
those four cores may be working on half a dozen packages.  That alone
makes the time estimator wrong, sometimes by a lot.  If I set portage to
compile only one package at a time, then it would be more accurate. 
Thing is, it also makes it take longer. 

I sometimes use -k but not to often.  It can be handy tho.  The times I
have used it is when I update Firefox/seamonkey and some plugin doesn't
work.  I just go back to a earlier version until it gets fixed/updated. 
Usually tho, Firefox/Seamonkey catches it and just disables the thing
instead of not coming up at all. 

I do upgrades to KDE and just let it update while I am doing something
else, usually sleeping.  When it gets done, I log out and back in and
the new stuff loads up.  So far, I've never had any trouble with it. 
The stuff it is using is usually already loaded anyway.  Luck maybe.

Either way, I just don't use genlop much.  I rarely use the q* commands
either.  I use qlop -s on occasion to see when my last sync was but even
that is not to often.  I generally do mine on Sundays, Tuesdays and
either Thursday or Friday.  Sometimes if a check of the packages Gentoo
page shows little changes, I may skip a update or two. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] glibc upgrade and firefox/seamonkey issues

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 22 October 2015 17:11:42 Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On 22/10/2015 23:51, Dale wrote:
> >> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:07:06 -0500, Dale wrote:
>  Of course, there is better ways of finding this info but I never can
>  remember the command and it takes me a bit to figure out what options
>  do what so I finally said "screw it" and work without it unless I just
>  must have it.  If I only need one, I use the date command.  It
>  works.  ;-)
> >>> 
> >>> genlop -l --date yesterday
> >>> 
> >>> Not too hard to remember :)
> >> 
> >> It is when you only use it once every year or two.  Generally, it is
> >> rare that I have to even go look at the emerge log file.  This is likely
> >> the first time I have looked in there in a good long while. Maybe over a
> >> year.  Sometimes, I wonder if I even need the thing.
> > 
> > Of course you need it - genlop won't work without it
> 
> That's the point.  I rarely use it.  The only genlop command I may use
> every once in a while is genlop -c.  I use that to see how long
> something has been compiling or if it is a major upgrade, what is
> actually being compiled at the time.  Generally, the estimated time
> remaining is worthless.  Most of the time, it isn't even in the ballpark.

Genlop is just a simple tool. I know of two cases it doesn't cope with well: 
first, simultaneous emerges of the same package in the main system and in a 
chroot; second, emerge -k.

I sometimes do a batch of emerge -B followed with emerge -k. The time taken 
from emerge.log is tiny in that case, but genlop still includes it in its 
calculation of average emerge time.

Any time I want to emerge -e world I do it that way. Also any KDE upgrade gets 
the same treatment: first compile the packages, then shut down KDE and install 
them. That way I don't get problems in trying to restart KDE when half its 
code has changed.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Adobe Flash replacement ?

[Mick]

On Friday 23 Oct 2015 10:24:42 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Thursday 22 October 2015 21:38:50 Marc Joliet wrote:
> > Personally, I actually uninstalled adobe-flash almost exactly two weeks
> > and 2 hours ago :-) .  I haven't really missed it, and youtube-dl (well,
> > mpv's built-in youtube-dl support) helps with the few sites that still
> > don't support HTML5 video.  I practically never encounter any other type
> > of flash content. (I consciously decided that I don't care about flash
> > games, so they don't count.)
> 
> Where I live, BBC Radio 3 is not receivable by direct broadcast, so I use
> the iPlayer daily to listen to it on my desktop box. It won't work without
> flash, so until the BBC change their ways I'm stuck with it. I did try
> radiotray some time ago, but I like the text and pictures that come with
> the iPlayer.
> 
> (Sorry about all the confusing pronouns.)

There are shoutcasts and all sorts of HLS, HDS alternative methods to stream 
to your PC, not utilising flash.  There is also get_iplayer with its recording 
capability, which I prefer ;-)

http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] Adobe Flash replacement ?

[Peter Humphrey]

On Thursday 22 October 2015 21:38:50 Marc Joliet wrote:

> Personally, I actually uninstalled adobe-flash almost exactly two weeks and
> 2 hours ago :-) .  I haven't really missed it, and youtube-dl (well, mpv's
> built-in youtube-dl support) helps with the few sites that still don't
> support HTML5 video.  I practically never encounter any other type of flash
> content. (I consciously decided that I don't care about flash games, so
> they don't count.)

Where I live, BBC Radio 3 is not receivable by direct broadcast, so I use the 
iPlayer daily to listen to it on my desktop box. It won't work without flash, 
so until the BBC change their ways I'm stuck with it. I did try radiotray some 
time ago, but I like the text and pictures that come with the iPlayer.

(Sorry about all the confusing pronouns.)

-- 
Rgds
Peter

[gentoo-user] Request review of change to the Gentoo wiki.

[Alan Mackenzie]

Hello, Gentoo.

I've just amended the wiki page
, adding a
section at the end on how to enhance an X keyboard layout.

I'm not actually finished here: I'm intending to add another section on
adding "actions" to a keyboard layout.

However, I'd be glad of any comments on this.  In particular, I'm not at
all practiced at wiki formatting.  But I'd also appreciate comments on
how coherent it is, etc.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).

[gentoo-user] Re: Adobe Flash replacement ?

[James]

Mick  gmail.com> writes:


> http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html


Thanks to all that responed. As a 'consumer' I cannot dictate what
folks use; it looks like all the choices for viewing adobe-flash
are less than robust, or did I miss something?

@ google:: no more, to much big brah for me.

@ others:: the owners of the sources still use adobe flash
so changing that is their decision and a non-starter.

@ competing solutions:: still a work in progress...


Thanks for the all the input.

have a good weekend,
James

[gentoo-user] systemd & libgudev block

[ferreirafm]

Hi List, 
I've been experienced problems with the blocks bellow. Could please someone 
give a hand? 
Best, 
Fred 






mephisto / # emerge -vpuDN world | grep blocks 
[blocks b ] sys-apps/systemd[gudev(-)] ("sys-apps/systemd[gudev(-)]" is 
blocking dev-libs/libgudev-230) 
[blocks b ] dev-libs/libgudev ("dev-libs/libgudev" is blocking 
sys-apps/systemd-219_p112) 






mephisto / # emerge --info 
Portage 2.2.18 (python 3.3.5-final-0, 
default/linux/amd64/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd, gcc-4.9.2, glibc-2.22-r1, 
4.0.0-gentoo x86_64) 
= 
System uname: 
Linux-4.0.0-gentoo-x86_64-Intel-R-_Core-TM-_i7-5960X_CPU_@_3.00GHz-with-gentoo-2.2
 
KiB Mem: 16345988 total, 7165968 free 
KiB Swap: 524284 total, 524284 free 
Timestamp of repository gentoo: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 06:30:01 + 
sh bash 4.3_p33-r2 
ld GNU ld (Gentoo 2.25 p1.1) 2.25 
app-shells/bash: 4.3_p33-r2::gentoo 
dev-java/java-config: 2.2.0::gentoo 
dev-lang/perl: 5.20.2::gentoo 
dev-lang/python: 2.7.9-r2::gentoo, 3.3.5-r1::gentoo, 3.4.3::gentoo 
dev-util/cmake: 3.2.2::gentoo 
dev-util/pkgconfig: 0.28-r2::gentoo 
sys-apps/baselayout: 2.2::gentoo 
sys-apps/openrc: 0.16::gentoo 
sys-apps/sandbox: 2.9::gentoo 
sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13::gentoo, 2.69-r1::gentoo 
sys-devel/automake: 1.11.6-r1::gentoo, 1.13.4::gentoo, 1.14.1::gentoo, 
1.15::gentoo 
sys-devel/binutils: 2.25::gentoo 
sys-devel/gcc: 4.8.4::gentoo, 4.9.2::gentoo 
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.8::gentoo 
sys-devel/libtool: 2.4.6-r1::gentoo 
sys-devel/make: 4.1-r1::gentoo 
sys-kernel/linux-headers: 4.2::gentoo (virtual/os-headers) 
sys-libs/glibc: 2.22-r1::gentoo 
Repositories: 


gentoo 
location: /usr/portage 
sync-type: rsync 
sync-uri: rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage 
priority: -1000 


ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64 ~amd64" 
ACCEPT_LICENSE="*" 
CBUILD="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" 
CFLAGS="-march=native" 
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu" 
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/lib64/libreoffice/program/sofficerc 
/usr/share/gnupg/qualified.txt /var/lib/hsqldb" 
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/dconf /etc/env.d 
/etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release /etc/revdep-rebuild 
/etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/language.dat.d 
/etc/texmf/language.def.d /etc/texmf/updmap.d /etc/texmf/web2c" 
CXXFLAGS="-march=native" 
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles" 
FCFLAGS="-O2 -pipe" 
FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-logs config-protect-if-modified distlocks 
ebuild-locks fixlafiles merge-sync news parallel-fetch preserve-libs sandbox 
sfperms strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs unmerge-orphans userfetch 
userpriv usersandbox usersync" 
FFLAGS="-O2 -pipe" 
GENTOO_MIRRORS="ftp://ftp.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/gentoo/ 
http://www.las.ic.unicamp.br/pub/gentoo/ ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo 
ftp://mirror.iawnet.sandia.gov/pub/gentoo/; 
LANG="pt_BR.utf8" 
LDFLAGS="-Wl,--as-needed" 
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages" 
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/" 
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times 
--omit-dir-times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats 
--human-readable --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local 
--exclude=/packages" 
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp" 
USE="X a52 aac acl acpi alsa amd64 berkdb bluetooth branding bzip2 cairo cdda 
cdr cli colord cracklib crypt cups cxx dbus dri dts dvd dvdr eds emboss encode 
evo exif fam firefox flac fortran gdbm gif glamor gnome gnome-keyring 
gnome-online-accounts gpm gstreamer gtk iconv introspection ipv6 jpeg lcms ldap 
libnotify libsecret mad mmx mmxext mng modules mp3 mp4 mpeg multilib nautilus 
ncurses nls nptl ogg opengl openmp pam pango pcre pdf png policykit ppds 
pulseaudio qt3support readline sdl seccomp session spell sse sse2 ssl 
startup-notification svg systemd tcpd tiff tracker truetype udev udisks unicode 
upower usb uvm vorbis wxwidgets x264 xattr xcb xml xv xvid zlib" ABI_X86="64 
32" ALSA_CARDS="ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci 
emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m 
maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem ymfpci" 
APACHE2_MODULES="authn_core authz_core socache_shmcb unixd actions alias 
auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm 
authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache 
cgi cgid dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter 
file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime 
mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir 
usertrack vhost_alias" CALLIGRA_FEATURES="kexi words flow plan sheets stage 
tables krita karbon braindump author" CAMERAS="ptp2" COLLECTD_PLUGINS="df 
interface irq load memory rrdtool swap syslog" CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx mmxext sse 
sse2" ELIBC="glibc" GPSD_PROTOCOLS="ashtech aivdm earthmate evermore fv18 
garmin garmintxt gpsclock itrax mtk3301 nmea ntrip navcom oceanserver oldstyle 
oncore rtcm104v2 rtcm104v3 sirf superstar2 timing 

Re: [gentoo-user] systemd & libgudev block

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 23 Oct 2015 20:00:51 -0200 (BRST), ferreir...@usp.br wrote:

> mephisto / # emerge -vpuDN world | grep blocks 
> [blocks b ] sys-apps/systemd[gudev(-)] ("sys-apps/systemd[gudev(-)]" is
> blocking dev-libs/libgudev-230) [blocks b ] dev-libs/libgudev
> ("dev-libs/libgudev" is blocking sys-apps/systemd-219_p112) 

These are blocks with a small b, portage will take care of them for you.
You only need to intervene when they are marked with a capital B.

-- 
Neil Bothwick

Why is the word abbreviation so long?


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