Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Trouble on the horizon!

2018-09-25 Thread Wols Lists
On 25/09/18 05:49, Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 6:34 PM Nikos Chantziaras  wrote:
>>
>> On 24/09/2018 13:11, R0b0t1 wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Nikos Chantziaras  
>>> wrote:

 To me it looks like youtubers and some sites trying to make money through
 clickbait?

>>>
>>> If you had not heard of it elsewhere the Linux code of conduct was
>>> amended. It makes the CoC similar to those of other projects where
>>> there are a number of (usually nontechnical) contributors who identify
>>> as a champion of social justice.
>>> [...]
>> Well, if kernel developers are fine with that, then I don't see how
>> that's relevant to anyone who isn't a kernel dev. If they want to adopt
>> social justice politics, that's really their prerogative.
>>
If you read LWN, actually a lot of kernel devs aren't fine with it -
they didn't have any say, and don't like it.
> 
> Actually, social justice politics didn't seem to have anything to do
> with the CoC
> adoption. It was more of Linus taking a backseat (due to how he self-assessed
> his vacation behavior) and pretty soon after, they adopted CoC, most likely as
> some kind of "standardization"
> 
> Barely a week has passed since the CoC though, and already there are political
> manuevers to oust high-profile kernel devs

How are they going to achieve that? As has been pointed out, if Linus
continues to trust them, and treat them as lieutenants, there's nothing
the SJWs can do. There's also been comments that - actually - one person
in particular who's been a bit of an SJW is actually in breach of the
CoC herself, so those manoeuvres could backfire spectacularly.

> to the point that some contributors
> have started talks on exercising their copyright privileges and
> withholding their
> code. Which they have a right to do, by the way, if they feel the foundation
> has betrayed them.

Withholding their code FROM WHOM?
> 
> So as esr has put it:
>> First, let me confirm that this threat has teeth. I researched the relevant 
>> law
>> when I was founding the Open Source Initiative. In the U.S. there is case law
>> confirming that reputational losses relating to conversion of the rights of a
>> contributor to a GPLed project are judicable in law. I do not know the case 
>> law
>> outside the U.S., but in countries observing the Berne Convention without the
>> U.S.’s opt-out of the “moral rights” clause, that clause probably gives the
>> objectors an even stronger case.
> 
> (http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8139)
> 
> This is not a little online trollfest that only affects kernel devs.
> This can affect
> literally everything. Biblical proportions, dogs and cats living together, 
> etc.
> 
As we know from the SCOG case, pretty much everything is judicable in
American law, even when they have absolutely no case. Are you telling me
that I can withdraw YOUR right to use my code, just because I dislike
what some random 3rd party with no relationship to either of us has
done? Surely that pretty blatantly falls foul of estoppel. Although of
course that didn't stop SCOG ... Where's PJ when you need her ...

As for "moral rights", I don't think that actually grants any extra
rights or anything. It mostly says that if I am the author of something,
I can NOT sign away my right to be credited as such. You can buy the
copyright off me, at which point I have no rights to benefit further
from the work, but you cannot buy the right to be credited as the author
- that is not for sale under "moral rights" law.

(Oh - and the linux trademark is apparently Linus' personal property, so
that throws another hand grenade onto the table ... :-)

Cheers,
Wol



Re: [gentoo-user] ARM 17.0 profile change

2018-09-25 Thread Dan Johansson
Just a short update. The provided script worked like a charm!!!

Thanks to all Devs involved.

-- 
Dan

On 22.09.2018 20:04, Corentin “Nado” Pazdera wrote:
> September 22, 2018 5:36 PM, "Dan Johansson"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> Today when I was preparing for a "emereg --update ..." on my Raspberry
>> PI 2B I saw that there was a news item regarding
>> "2018-09-07-arm-17-profile-migration" where it states (among other
>> things) "In short, the tuple will change from
>> armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi to
>> armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabihf or similar.".
>>
>> Today I have the profile set to "default/linux/arm/13.0/armv7a (dev)"
>> and I have the following in make.conf
>> CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe -march=armv7-a -mfpu=vfpv3-d16 -mfloat-abi=hard"
>> CHOST="armv7a-hardfloat-linux-gnueabi"
>>
>> I am not 100% sure on what to set my profile & CHOST to for this Raspberry.
>>
>> So (some) of my questions are.
>> 1) Which new profile should a use for a Raspberry PI 2B which runs as a
>> headless "server" (i.e. now desktop environment running)? I suspect
>> "default/linux/arm/17.0/armv7a" would be a good idea?
>> 2) What would be the correct CFLAGS & CHOST in make.conf?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The script linked in the news item should take care of that.
> Don't forget to backup your packages (quickpkg */*) before doing the 
> migration, it will help in
> case you need to rollback.
> 
> Best regards,
> Corentin “Nado” Pazdera
> 


-- 
Dan Johansson
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in

2018-09-25 Thread Mick
On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 13:29:14 BST Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:02:48 BST Dale wrote:
> >> Mick wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 03:11:38 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
>  On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Mick wrote
>  
> > This is worse than I expected.  OK, therefore never signing into
> > Google's
> > systems with Chromium is the only way to stop this invasion of
> > privacy.
> > Thankfully, we still have Firefox.  ;-)
>  
>  Ahemm...
>  https://dustri.org/b/mozilla-is-still-screwing-around-with-privacy-in-f
>  ir
>  ef
>  ox.html
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, there is this leaking agent running in FF, but I have (almost)
> >>> disabled telemetry.  The problem is this pesky entry which is shown as
> >>> "locked" and therefore unable to be disabled in about:config
> >>> 
> >>> Preference NameStatus  Type Value
> >>> =  ==  ===  =
> >>> toolkit.telemetry.enabled  locked  boolean  true
> >> 
> >> Just for giggles, I looked at my config and it shows a default status
> >> and is set to false.  Maybe it is a difference in version or could it be
> >> a USE flag makes a difference or something else???  I'm on Firefox
> >> 52.9.0.  Maybe you are using the latest version.  I'm stuck here due to
> >> some add ons not ready for the newer versions.
> >> 
> >> Dale
> >> 
> >> :-)  :-)
> > 
> > I'm on 60.2.0 and although other telemetry entries are modifiable, the one
> > I mention above is shown as locked.  Apparently this is locked to 'true'
> > for pre-release builds and 'false' for release builds:
> > 
> > https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-in-firefox-58-2
> > d5df9c428b5
> Ahhh.  I was hoping that info might lead to a solution to it but I guess
> not.  Better to mention and it not matter than to not mention and it
> would have helped.  lol  Heck, I get help from this list but I also try
> to help when I can.  All we can do is try. 
> 
> We tried.  ;-)
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

Yes, this one is hardcoded and there doesn't seem to be a workaround, other 
than modifying the source code.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] stage3 does not have Gentoo signing keys, which is unacceptable!

2018-09-25 Thread Ralph Seichter
On 25.09.18 08:15, gevisz wrote:

> Gentoo handbook contains instructions that lead to downloading and
> using unverified portage tree that is unacceptable [...]

See https://bugs.gentoo.org/597918 (filed almost two years ago).

-Ralph



Re: [gentoo-user] Specific MAKEOPTS for one package

2018-09-25 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Thanks Dale and Michael, that was exactly I was searching for. (I think.
;-)

Am Di den 25. Sep 2018 um 15:00 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 14:25:50 BST Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> 
> > Is there an option to set -j1 just for firefox package? (and rust, that
> > has the same problem)?
> 
> As Dale and Michael said, but you may find -j2 acceptable; It's what I use 
> for 
> everything here.

No. Firefox and Rust is such a beast. It kills my machine even with -j2.

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [gentoo-user] Specific MAKEOPTS for one package

2018-09-25 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 14:25:50 BST Klaus Ethgen wrote:

> Is there an option to set -j1 just for firefox package? (and rust, that
> has the same problem)?

As Dale and Michael said, but you may find -j2 acceptable; It's what I use for 
everything here.

-- 
Regards,
Peter.






Re: [gentoo-user] Specific MAKEOPTS for one package

2018-09-25 Thread Dale
Klaus Ethgen wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I have set MAKEOPTS="-j3" in my make.conf. That is great for most
> packages but when I compile firefox that makes my box exploding as it
> consumes simply to much RAM.
>
> Is there an option to set -j1 just for firefox package? (and rust, that
> has the same problem)?
>
> Regards
>    Klaus


I think you are looking for this:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/package.env

It's been a while since I've had to do this but I'm fairly sure that
will do what you want. 

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Specific MAKEOPTS for one package

2018-09-25 Thread Michael Orlitzky
On 09/25/2018 09:25 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote>
> Is there an option to set -j1 just for firefox package? (and rust, that
> has the same problem)?
> 

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki//etc/portage/package.env




[gentoo-user] Specific MAKEOPTS for one package

2018-09-25 Thread Klaus Ethgen
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Hi Folks,

I have set MAKEOPTS="-j3" in my make.conf. That is great for most
packages but when I compile firefox that makes my box exploding as it
consumes simply to much RAM.

Is there an option to set -j1 just for firefox package? (and rust, that
has the same problem)?

Regards
   Klaus
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in

2018-09-25 Thread Dale
Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:02:48 BST Dale wrote:
>> Mick wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 03:11:38 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Mick wrote

> This is worse than I expected.  OK, therefore never signing into
> Google's
> systems with Chromium is the only way to stop this invasion of privacy.
> Thankfully, we still have Firefox.  ;-)
 Ahemm...
 https://dustri.org/b/mozilla-is-still-screwing-around-with-privacy-in-fir
 ef
 ox.html
>>> Yes, there is this leaking agent running in FF, but I have (almost)
>>> disabled telemetry.  The problem is this pesky entry which is shown as
>>> "locked" and therefore unable to be disabled in about:config
>>>
>>> Preference NameStatus  Type Value
>>> =  ==  ===  =
>>> toolkit.telemetry.enabled  locked  boolean  true
>> Just for giggles, I looked at my config and it shows a default status
>> and is set to false.  Maybe it is a difference in version or could it be
>> a USE flag makes a difference or something else???  I'm on Firefox
>> 52.9.0.  Maybe you are using the latest version.  I'm stuck here due to
>> some add ons not ready for the newer versions. 
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> I'm on 60.2.0 and although other telemetry entries are modifiable, the one I 
> mention above is shown as locked.  Apparently this is locked to 'true' for 
> pre-release builds and 'false' for release builds:
>
> https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-in-firefox-58-2d5df9c428b5
>


Ahhh.  I was hoping that info might lead to a solution to it but I guess
not.  Better to mention and it not matter than to not mention and it
would have helped.  lol  Heck, I get help from this list but I also try
to help when I can.  All we can do is try. 

We tried.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in

2018-09-25 Thread Mick
On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 12:02:48 BST Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 03:11:38 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Mick wrote
> >> 
> >>> This is worse than I expected.  OK, therefore never signing into
> >>> Google's
> >>> systems with Chromium is the only way to stop this invasion of privacy.
> >>> Thankfully, we still have Firefox.  ;-)
> >> 
> >> Ahemm...
> >> https://dustri.org/b/mozilla-is-still-screwing-around-with-privacy-in-fir
> >> ef
> >> ox.html
> > 
> > Yes, there is this leaking agent running in FF, but I have (almost)
> > disabled telemetry.  The problem is this pesky entry which is shown as
> > "locked" and therefore unable to be disabled in about:config
> > 
> > Preference NameStatus  Type Value
> > =  ==  ===  =
> > toolkit.telemetry.enabled  locked  boolean  true
> 
> Just for giggles, I looked at my config and it shows a default status
> and is set to false.  Maybe it is a difference in version or could it be
> a USE flag makes a difference or something else???  I'm on Firefox
> 52.9.0.  Maybe you are using the latest version.  I'm stuck here due to
> some add ons not ready for the newer versions. 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 

I'm on 60.2.0 and although other telemetry entries are modifiable, the one I 
mention above is shown as locked.  Apparently this is locked to 'true' for 
pre-release builds and 'false' for release builds:

https://medium.com/georg-fritzsche/data-preference-changes-in-firefox-58-2d5df9c428b5

-- 
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in

2018-09-25 Thread Dale
Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 03:11:38 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Mick wrote
>>
>>> This is worse than I expected.  OK, therefore never signing into Google's
>>> systems with Chromium is the only way to stop this invasion of privacy.
>>> Thankfully, we still have Firefox.  ;-)
>> Ahemm...
>> https://dustri.org/b/mozilla-is-still-screwing-around-with-privacy-in-firef
>> ox.html
> Yes, there is this leaking agent running in FF, but I have (almost) disabled 
> telemetry.  The problem is this pesky entry which is shown as "locked" and 
> therefore unable to be disabled in about:config
>
> Preference NameStatus  Type Value
> =  ==  ===  =
> toolkit.telemetry.enabled  locked  boolean  true
>


Just for giggles, I looked at my config and it shows a default status
and is set to false.  Maybe it is a difference in version or could it be
a USE flag makes a difference or something else???  I'm on Firefox
52.9.0.  Maybe you are using the latest version.  I'm stuck here due to
some add ons not ready for the newer versions. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Noteworthy change in the way Chrome logs in

2018-09-25 Thread Mick
On Tuesday, 25 September 2018 03:11:38 BST Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Mick wrote
> 
> > This is worse than I expected.  OK, therefore never signing into Google's
> > systems with Chromium is the only way to stop this invasion of privacy.
> > Thankfully, we still have Firefox.  ;-)
> 
> Ahemm...
> https://dustri.org/b/mozilla-is-still-screwing-around-with-privacy-in-firef
> ox.html

Yes, there is this leaking agent running in FF, but I have (almost) disabled 
telemetry.  The problem is this pesky entry which is shown as "locked" and 
therefore unable to be disabled in about:config

Preference NameStatus  Type Value
=  ==  ===  =
toolkit.telemetry.enabled  locked  boolean  true

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Re: [gentoo-user] march cflag for Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2160 SLA8Z Malay processor

2018-09-25 Thread gevisz
вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 7:07, gevisz :
>
> вс, 23 сент. 2018 г. в 10:10, Walter Dnes :
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 01:00:39AM +0300, gevisz wrote
> > > , 19 . 2018 ??. ?? 11:38, Walter Dnes :
> >
> > > >  According to
> > > > http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SLA8Z.html it has...
> > > >
> > > > MMX SSE SSE2 SSE3 SSSE3
> > >
> > > Do you mean that it would be enough to set
> > > CFLAGS="-O2 -pipe mmx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3"
> > > without setting the march cflag at all?
> >
> >   Yes, that would work.  Remember also to include in make.conf
> >
> > CPU_FLAGS_X86="mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 ssse3"
>
> The target processor does not support mmxext.

Strange enough but cpuid2cpuflags shows that it does:
# cpuid2cpuflags
CPU_FLAGS_X86: mmx mmxext sse sse2 sse3 ssse3

> >   In your jpeg image, I see that the flags include mmx, sse, sse2, pni,
> > and ssse3. "pni" == "Prescott New Instructions" == "SSE3".  Looking at
> > https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-7.3.0/gcc/x86-Options.html#x86-Options
> > I suggest "-march=core2" with CPU_FLAGS_X86 same as above.  The "core2"
> > option uses MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3 and SSSE3 instructions, all of which
> > show up in the listing on your jpeg.
>
> Thank you. Looking into https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Safe_CFLAGS#Intel
> I also concluded that for the target processor I should set "-march=core2"
> but I did not know that core2 option is exactly equivalent to setting mmx,
> sse, sse2, sse3 and ssse3 instructions.
>
> So, I decided to spend a day to get my hands on the target computer
> and compile everything on it with "-march=native" no matter how much
> time it takes.
>
> To conclude this thread, I will post the output of the commands
> suggested in this thread later, after the system install will be finished,
> just in case somebody will need them in the future.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re : kernel delay

2018-09-25 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Monday, 24 September 2018 23:55:31 BST Philip Webb wrote:
> 180924 J. Roeleveld wrote:
> > On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote:
> >> I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018)
> >> that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring 2017,
> >> which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality.
> > 
> > Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent.
> > Which are you referring to?
> 
> I wrote above 'had', not 'has' : look at the list archive for details.

[OT]
Unfortunately, Americans (and those others who have learned English from 
Americans) don't understand the pluperfect. They've thrown out four entire 
verb tenses just in my lifetime.
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-- 
Regards,
Peter.






Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!

2018-09-25 Thread gevisz
вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 10:12, J. Roeleveld :
>
> On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:23:53 AM CEST gevisz wrote:
> > вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 9:15, J. Roeleveld :
> > > On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz  wrote:
> > > >пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld :
> > > >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote:
> > > >> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018)
> > > >> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo
> > > >> > since spring 2017, which suggested there had been some
> > > >> > decline in kernel quality.
> > > >>
> > > >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent.
> > > >
> > > >After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig,
> > > >it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same
> > > >decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than
> > > >gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :)
> > >
> > > That is interesting.
> > > I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65.
> > >
> > > Where does the shutdown hang?
> >
> > Thank you for replying to my comment. Unfortunately, I already do not
> > remember exactly what happend after the usual "shutdown -h now"
> > command but as far as I can remember, it did not switched off the power
> > at the end of the shutdown process.
>
> I did have this with older kernels. Think it's caused by missing ACPI options.

My previous kernel was 4.9.95 and the system shut down ok with it.
Then I configured 4.14.52 using make oldconfig and the old .config
from 4.9.95 kernel. And, after the usual compilation and installation
of the new kernel, the system could not shut down.

To not clutter this mailing list, I will send the both kernel configutations
only to your e-mail adress now.



Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!

2018-09-25 Thread J. Roeleveld
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 8:23:53 AM CEST gevisz wrote:
> вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 9:15, J. Roeleveld :
> > On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz  wrote:
> > >пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld :
> > >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote:
> > >> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018)
> > >> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring
> > >
> > >2017,
> > >
> > >> > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality.
> > >> 
> > >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent.
> > >
> > >After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig,
> > >it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same
> > >decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than
> > >gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :)
> > 
> > That is interesting.
> > I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65.
> > 
> > Where does the shutdown hang?
> 
> Thank you for replying to my comment. Unfortunately, I already do not
> remember exactly what happend after the usual "shutdown -h now"
> command but as far as I can remember, it did not switched off the power
> at the end of the shutdown process.

I did have this with older kernels. Think it's caused by missing ACPI options.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!

2018-09-25 Thread gevisz
вт, 25 сент. 2018 г. в 9:15, J. Roeleveld :
>
> On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz  wrote:
> >пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld :
> >> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote:
> >> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018)
> >> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring
> >2017,
> >> > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality.
> >>
> >> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent.
> >
> >After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig,
> >it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same
> >decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than
> >gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :)
>
> That is interesting.
> I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65.
>
> Where does the shutdown hang?

Thank you for replying to my comment. Unfortunately, I already do not
remember exactly what happend after the usual "shutdown -h now"
command but as far as I can remember, it did not switched off the power
at the end of the shutdown process.



[gentoo-user] stage3 does not have Gentoo signing keys, which is unacceptable!

2018-09-25 Thread gevisz
Yesterday, I have found out that the first invocation
of emerge-webrsync command can not download
a snapshot of the portage tree if webrsync-gpg
feature has been set in make.conf because stage3
does not have Gentoo signing keys and I can not
install Gentoo package with Gentoo signing keys
because there is no portage tree in stage3.
(Just to remind: according to Gentoo handbook,
the first invocation of emege-webrsync
command is done after chrooting.)

After disabling webrsync-gpg feature in make.conf
emerge-wibrsync command worked as described in
Gentoo handbook. However, as a result, the
downloaded portage tree has not been verified!

So, Gentoo handbook contains instructions that
lead to downloading and using unverified portage
tree that is unacceptable, especially taking into
account the security issues Gentoo already had
this year!

P.S. I now recall that I hit the same issue in 2013
and earlier this year as well. Than I had to download,
verify and untar a snapshot of the portage tree before
chrooting, what never has been described
in the Gentoo handbook.



Re: [gentoo-user] Trouble on the horizon!

2018-09-25 Thread J. Roeleveld
On September 25, 2018 4:36:27 AM UTC, gevisz  wrote:
>пн, 24 сент. 2018 г. в 21:24, J. Roeleveld :
>> On Monday, September 24, 2018 2:42:49 PM CEST Philip Webb wrote:
>> > I did note in a msg to this list earlier this year (2018)
>> > that there had been no kernel stabilised by Gentoo since spring
>2017,
>> > which suggested there had been some decline in kernel quality.
>>
>> Gentoo-sources-4.14.65 is stable in the tree. Which is quite recent.
>
>After I configured gentoo-sources-4.14.52 kernel with make oldconfig,
>it even could not shut down the computer. So, I came to the same
>decision about kernel quality and masked everything later than
>gentoo-sources-4.9.95. (My 5 cents. :)

That is interesting.
I did not have that issue with .52 nor with .65.

Where does the shutdown hang?

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