Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs
On 4/10/21 11:30 am, coa...@tuta.io wrote: > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or omit? > Do you create new(personalised) files depending on category and > somehow link them in any of the above 3? > > It's just emerging everything you are not sure you will keep with -1 > seems cumbersome to me especially if at some point I want to transfer > to a new device and want to copy my settings over ,select what to keep > and discard the rest,depcleaning with pretend all the time seems > annoying on the long term as well so there should be lots of different > solutions from different people(at least thats what I think) > > I just think this is one of the things its better I learn now rather > than later and forum or wiki info is too "on-point" on a specific > situation so I thought I'd ask the userbase Apps I am trying out or wont keep for long, install with -1 Apps I want, install without -1 Updates - always use -1 and after a successful update is complete run emerge --depclean -p and make sure whats being removed is really correct then remove the -p. Occasionally go through "/var/lib/portage/world" and turf things you no longer need or don't know the use of, then run emerge --depclean -p and make sure whats being removed is really correct then remove the -p. BillK
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs
On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 05:30, wrote: > > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or omit? > Do you create new(personalised) files depending on category and somehow link > them in any of the above 3? I'm not sure I understand what you are asking about when you say 'protect' here? As cal said, putting the actual programs you use in world is the way to go, and portage will take care of dependencies for you. Putting more than needed in world can sometimes confuse portage to the point where you could have problems that can be annoying to troubleshoot. > It's just emerging everything you are not sure you will keep with -1 seems > cumbersome to me especially if at some point I want to transfer to a new > device and want to copy my settings over ,select what to keep and discard the > rest,depcleaning with pretend all the time seems annoying on the long term as > well so there should be lots of different solutions from different people(at > least thats what I think) As you can see from the two earlier replies, from cal and Dale, this depends on how you want to manage your system. If you do a lot of installing, putting -1 in your defaults might be the way to go, but personally I'm in cal's camp, I would much rather remember the -1 when I'm doing something ad hoc, and have any programs I want added to world without adding another flag to my emerge command. As for depclean, I have added an alias for depclean with --pretend that I use after world updates. Unless you have installed something with -1, most of the time that list is empty. And the output gives nice clean lists of what packages it wants to remove, with exact version strings and slots, so if I agree, I just do 'emerge -C ' and I'm good to go. Cheers, Arve
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs
coa...@tuta.io wrote: > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or omit? > Do you create new(personalised) files depending on category and > somehow link them in any of the above 3? > > It's just emerging everything you are not sure you will keep with -1 > seems cumbersome to me especially if at some point I want to transfer > to a new device and want to copy my settings over ,select what to keep > and discard the rest,depcleaning with pretend all the time seems > annoying on the long term as well so there should be lots of different > solutions from different people(at least thats what I think) > > I just think this is one of the things its better I learn now rather > than later and forum or wiki info is too "on-point" on a specific > situation so I thought I'd ask the userbase This is the way I've done it for a while, a couple decades. Once I get my new install done, everything installed that I want, I change the default for the emerge command and add --oneshot or -1. That way if I'm trying to work through a upgrade problem, I don't have to remember to use -1 to keep world clean. My default emerge options look like this: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --backtrack=100 --keep-going -v -j5 --quiet-build=n -1 --unordered-display" Obviously, depending on CPU, available memory etc, you may want to adjust those to your case. The key points here, the -1, --with-bdeps y, --backtrack=100 and --keep-going options. 99% of the time, when I do my updates with the command emerge -auDN world, that gives me a easy upgrade. There may be exceptions at times but generally that works and gives me a stable system. Keep in mind, you don't have to worry about @system much if any. It's handled by the devs. As for world, you only keep in there the packages you use. When you update or install something new, emerge takes care of whatever depends on the package you want. As a example, if you want a full KDE install, you just emerge the kde meta package and it gets recorded in the world file. The emerge command will take care of all the other packages that depend on the meta package. That is a LOT of packages too. My biggest advice, if you find yourself fighting emerge to get things done, you're doing something wrong. These days, emerge -av should work virtually 100% of the time. You may have to adjust USE flags or something but it should just work. Over the years, I've adjusted options until I got a easy update path. This works really, really well. I update once a week, usually Sunday night. Lately, I start late Saturday night or Sunday morning. That way I'm done and can update my backups Sunday night. Hope that helps. Welcome to Gentoo and the source of good heat, lots of compiling. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Package management, depclean and new installs
On 10/3/21 8:30 PM, coa...@tuta.io wrote: > Hi y'all new confused user regarding package management > > How do you guys manage and protect your packages? > Do you just put everything on world and end up with a huge world file? > Do you have basic system files on world and the rest you protect or omit? > Do you create new(personalised) files depending on category and somehow link > them in any of the above 3? > It's just emerging everything you are not sure you will keep with -1 seems > cumbersome to me especially if at some point I want to transfer to a new > device and want to copy my settings over ,select what to keep and discard the > rest,depcleaning with pretend all the time seems annoying on the long term as > well so there should be lots of different solutions from different people(at > least thats what I think) > > I just think this is one of the things its better I learn now rather than > later and forum or wiki info is too "on-point" on a specific situation so I > thought I'd ask the userbase > I rarely use -1; pretty much exclusively for the case where I just need to run something once right now and will not need it again. Otherwise, I just install it normally, which will add it to my world file, and it will be preserved during depcleans. If I later decide I no longer need this package, I can always remove it later. My world file has 161 packages; I'm not sure what you consider "huge", but glancing through the list I don't see a lot of bloat -- I know what pretty much each of them does/provides to my system. As far as "system" packages, I just rely on my profile's @system to keep those. Things in @world are applications/resources that I installed for my particular usage. I'm not sure from your question exactly why you're using -1 frequently enough to find it cumbersome; if you clarified what you're doing it might be easier to clarify whether that is "normal" usage or there is a better way of doing things. cal
[gentoo-user] Unstable compositor - help!
Systemd/wayland setup - currently no graphical login ... I know they say rebooting doesn't fix anything (and it broke a load for me), but it does seem to (sometimes) fix "startplasma-wayland". But typically, startplasma-wayland will bring up the big K, and then the screen goes black. Log in on a different vt, kill wayland, and I've got a page of error messages mostly about "can't load compositor" then "can't find compositor" etc etc. "Re-installing might fix the problem". Run it again and it often works, or I get about four error messages. If it fails the second time, it tends to stay failed. I can't say "until I reboot", because SUSE kindly screwed me over yesterday morning - it upgraded the kernel, regenerated grub.cfg, and broke EVERYTHING - itself and gentoo ... Once Wayland is running successfully, most applications seem fine, but Thunderbird keeps crashing with "broken pipe" or "lost compositor" or stuff like that. I've also got X installed, but if I try and run that, it doesn't work either. BUT IT'S NOT (AFAICT) CRASHING. It just fires up, prints a bunch of information messages, and exits. Doesn't even give me a black screen! And if I look at the log file, again it's all information messages (apart from not being able to find fbdev or vesa which apparently is irrelevant because it's loading radeon fine afaict). The only oddity is it's reporting my logitech gaming mouse as a keyboard. Is there a decent trouble-shooting guide for Wayland? The only one I found went on about DrKonqui and various dbus stuff. But if you don't have a running gui, you don't have DrKonqui? And I don't know, but dbus feels to me like it's also a gui thing ... (although I'm probably wrong there ...) (What messed up my system this weekend was I booted into SUSE so I could snapshot my gentoo lv, and SUSE wanted to update. So I let it, it updated the kernel, and totally fucked up grub.cfg, to the extend I ended up in the rescue console editing it... Then once I managed to get back into gentoo, it was update world, compile kernel, generate new grub.cfg TO A DIFFERENT FILE, and edit the two files carefully together so I should have a working boot setup again. Word of warning - DON'T let grub-mkconfig loose on a boot partition shared between distros!) Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge asynchronous anomoly
On Sunday, 3 October 2021 10:28:49 CEST n952162 wrote: > Is it so on top of things that it's downloading many packages early, > and the download is so aggressive, that nothing else can run? emerge downloads distfiles for all packages to install in the background while the compile jobs are running, check /var/log/emerge-fetch.log. And I doubt this has anything to do with it being stuck (unless your disk is abysmally slow and it's stuck on IO, but most likely not). -Marco signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] console scrollback (kernel 5.14)
On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 12:44 AM Jorge Almeida wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 5:29 PM Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > > > > attached. Please start again from a gentoo-sources without any previous > > traces of the scrollback patches, and apply that patch. _Surely_ it > > should work this time. > > > Sure enough, the patch was succesful. Unfortunately, I cannot test it, > > Anyway, I'll try again when I manage to fix or replace the computer > and I'll report then. > OK, the patch is working for me, kernel 5.14.4 (not the same computer---RIP the other one---, but same hard disk) Thanks Jorge Almeida
[gentoo-user] emerge asynchronous anomoly
Hallo, there's probably an explanation ... I'm emerging at this point: >>> Emerging (51 of 93) perl-core/Encode-3.120.0::gentoo and there's NO additional log output for a very long time. Looking at ps(1) shows this: root 22366 21993 0 07:46 pts/1 00:00:00 | \_ sudo bash -x /home/user/lbin/update-system root 22367 22366 0 07:46 pts/1 00:00:00 | | \_ bash -x /home/user/lbin/update-system root 22369 22367 3 07:46 pts/1 00:04:39 | | \_ /usr/bin/python3.9 -b /usr/lib/python-exec/python3.9/emerge --getbinpkg n -v --tree --deep --update --noreplace --changed-use --verbose-conflicts --keep-going --with-bdeps=y --backtrack=100 @world root 29441 22369 0 09:12 pts/1 00:00:00 | | \_ [python3.9] portage 29450 22369 0 09:12 pts/1 00:00:00 | | \_ /usr/bin/python3.9 -b /usr/lib/python-exec/python3.9/emerge --getbinpkg n -v --tree --deep --update --noreplace --changed-use --verbose-conflicts --keep-going --with-bdeps=y --backtrack=100 @world portage 29453 29450 0 09:12 pts/1 00:00:05 | | \_ wget -t 3 -T 60 --passive-ftp -O /elsewhere/var/cache/distfiles/*firefox-78.14.0esr.source.tar.xz*.__download__ http://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/d6/*firefox-78.14.0esr.source.tar.xz* i.e. it's downloading a tarball for firefox. But firefox doesn't come for a few more hours: >>> Emerging (52 of 93) virtual/perl-Encode-3.120.0::gentoo >>> Emerging (53 of 93) sys-devel/binutils-2.37_p1::gentoo >>> Emerging (54 of 93) net-misc/iputils-20210722::gentoo >>> Emerging (55 of 93) sys-apps/diffutils-3.8::gentoo >>> Emerging (56 of 93) dev-lang/tcl-8.6.11::gentoo >>> Emerging (57 of 93) app-emulation/qemu-6.0.0-r3::gentoo Is it so on top of things that it's downloading many packages early, and the download is so aggressive, that nothing else can run?
