Re: [gentoo-user] About to have fiber internet and need VPN info
On Saturday, 6 August 2022 00:05:20 BST Wol wrote: > On 05/08/2022 15:53, Laurence Perkins wrote: > > Oh, and note that if your ISP works the same way as mine, they have a > > backdoor into whatever equipment they happen to have provided. So > > definitely put it in bridge mode or whatever and use your own gear if you > > don't want them spying on the doings of your internal network. One of > > the local ISPs here even calls it a "feature" and will ping the mobile > > app they require you to install to use their service every time they > > detect "suspicious" traffic on your internal net... > What do they do if you don't know how to use a mobile? (Yes that IS a > serious question - I provide tech support to family like that :-) ...or if you use your own equipment? -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] About to have fiber internet and need VPN info
On 7/16/22 10:41, Dale wrote: Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday, 16 July 2022 11:57:25 BST Dale wrote: Basically, I can upload files as fast as I download them. Now I can upload videos or something. ...or run a web server! That's way above anything I'd want to tackle. Heck, this VPN thing is a bit confusing. I've never seen it used before so sort of lost with it. Maybe once installed it will make sense. Dale :-) :-) Check out this post I made some time ago: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-8028944.html#8028944 It might give you better understanding what it does, and how it is implemented. OpenVPN is just encrypted communication between two networks over public internet (your ISP can not snoop on what you are doing).
Re: [gentoo-user] About to have fiber internet and need VPN info
On 05/08/2022 15:53, Laurence Perkins wrote: Oh, and note that if your ISP works the same way as mine, they have a backdoor into whatever equipment they happen to have provided. So definitely put it in bridge mode or whatever and use your own gear if you don't want them spying on the doings of your internal network. One of the local ISPs here even calls it a "feature" and will ping the mobile app they require you to install to use their service every time they detect "suspicious" traffic on your internal net... What do they do if you don't know how to use a mobile? (Yes that IS a serious question - I provide tech support to family like that :-) Cheers, Wol
Re: [gentoo-user] About to have fiber internet and need VPN info
On Friday, 5 August 2022 21:45:25 BST Dale wrote: > Michael wrote: > > What kind of protection are you seeking - what is your threat model? > > I'm mostly wanting it so people can't just look and see what I'm doing > or where I am, mostly my ISP. In this case 'people' and your ISP will see you are connecting to the remote VPN, but not what website you visit thereon. The website you visit will not see your real IP, but the exit IP of the VPN node. This may break some websites and streaming services who only allow connections from specific jurisdictions. > I do a little torrenting and such too. > ;-) That said, even if I go to my bank's website which is https, it > will also go through a VPN which also encrypts the traffic. My bank is > secure as far as I know but having more protection added can't be a bad > thing. All connections to banks are encrypted end-to-end for decades now and the encryption has becoming stronger over the years. > I'm torn between torguard and surfshark. I'm not sure where torguard is > located but surfshark is in the Netherlands I think. Outside US > jurisdiction and from what I've read, they never give info to anyone > about their customers traffic. Yeah, that's what they all say - their business model depends on it. State sponsored actors are likely to know what the need to know anyway, with or without the explicit VPN providers collaboration. ;-) > I'm still researching torguard. Maybe > someone here knows where they are located??? I understand they are a US based provider in Florida: Vpnetworks, LLC 618 E South St Orlando, FL 32801 but they have VPN servers all over the globe. Some are virtual servers and are NOT physically located in the countries they claim. The fact it is located in the USA it means the authorities can request client list information. VPN providers in jurisdictions like BVI, Panama, or even Switzerland might stand a better chance. Anyway, this is a moot point. If a VPN provider protects your traffic from 'people', who protects your traffic from the ... VPN people?! LOL! I don't use VPNs, but the interwebs are buzzing with reviews and suggestions. If torrenting is a requirement, then associated forums and mailing lists would provide advice on what works best for your use case. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] About to have fiber internet and need VPN info
Michael wrote: > On Thursday, 4 August 2022 23:32:03 BST Dale wrote: > >> I also ordered a router that has openvpn installed on it. I watched >> some videos and think I can set it up to keep my traffic out of public >> view. After I learned more about it, there's no reason to not use the >> VPN for all traffic really. That way I'm protected a little bit even if >> a website is not secure. > If by "not secure website" you mean an unencrypted connection to a web > server, > then such an insecure website remains insecure and so does your connection to > it, whether the leg from your router to the VPN concentrator is encrypted or > not. > > What kind of protection are you seeking - what is your threat model? I'm mostly wanting it so people can't just look and see what I'm doing or where I am, mostly my ISP. I do a little torrenting and such too. ;-) That said, even if I go to my bank's website which is https, it will also go through a VPN which also encrypts the traffic. My bank is secure as far as I know but having more protection added can't be a bad thing. I'm torn between torguard and surfshark. I'm not sure where torguard is located but surfshark is in the Netherlands I think. Outside US jurisdiction and from what I've read, they never give info to anyone about their customers traffic. I'm still researching torguard. Maybe someone here knows where they are located??? I have a add-on for one of my Firefox profiles that adds a free VPN but it is slow since it is free. I've been using it for a while for some stuff. So far, I haven't visited my bank or anything with it tho. It remembers my location and if it says I've moved to some other place, it might freak out a bit. I still have a bit to learn about VPN but some things I'm not going into in public. The biggest thing, the speed of my new internet is just awesome. Downloading that Knoppix ISO that would normally take almost half a day but on fiber took minutes, very few of those even, was just plain awesome. Used to, I waited on the internet, now it waits on me. If I were to upgrade to the really fast one, I'd likely fall out of my chair. :/ Dale :-) :-)
RE: [gentoo-user] About to have fiber internet and need VPN info
> -Original Message- > From: Dale > Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 3:32 PM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] About to have fiber internet and need VPN info > > Dale wrote: > > Howdy, > > > > Fiber internet is right around the corner. Some neighbors are already > > connected and they working their way to my area. Once I get > > connected, I also want to use a VPN but only for some programs. > > Example, I want Ktorrent and a couple Firefox profiles to use VPNs but > > at least one Firefox profile I want to remain outside of VPN. I > > watched a few videos but want to be sure I understand this right. If > > I want software to use a VPN, I put the IP address of the VPN into the > > proxy settings of the program and that makes it use the VPN. If I > > want it to not use the VPN, I leave the settings as they are now. Am I > > understanding this correctly? > > > > Also, the package I'm getting is 500Mbs/sec. What speeds should I > > really expect? If memory serves me right, that is about 50MBs/sec, > > note the size of the B. By the way, that is about 50 times faster > > than what I have now. Also, up and down is the same. Current up > > stream is a lot smaller. Basically, I can upload files as fast as I > > download them. Now I can upload videos or something. > > > > I'm looking at Surfshark and NordVPN. Both seem to be good and at a > > decent price. Anyone used one or both of these? > > > > Just trying to make sure I'm on the right path. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > > > P. S. Seamonkey is still not fetching emails automatically, I'm > > waiting on a upgrade to see if it gets fixed then. If not, revive old > > thread and bring out the hammer. ;-) > > > > > I now have fiber internet. It was installed on Tuesday morning. Speed test > shows it is awesome. I downloaded a Knoppix iso file, about 4.4GBs worth, in > just about 5 minutes. It would have taken about 9 hours on old DSL internet. > I'm perfectly happy with that. > > I also ordered a router that has openvpn installed on it. I watched some > videos and think I can set it up to keep my traffic out of public view. > After I learned more about it, there's no reason to not use the VPN for all > traffic really. That way I'm protected a little bit even if a website is not > secure. May not help much but it may be enough. > > This is as big a difference as when I went from dial-up to DSL. I can update > my OS in minutes as far as downloading goes. Now it will be compiling that I > have to wait on. Again. ;-) > > Now I know what some of you guys have been enjoying, and why. :-D > > Dale > > :-) :-) > > P. S. Seamonkey still doesn't do email fetch automatically. I may dig out > my mini sledge hammer. :/ > > Most commercial VPN services are of limited value privacy-wise unless you use forged credentials to sign up and chain a couple of them together. Otherwise you have only their word that they're not collecting exactly the same information your ISP would, and if you're worried about government spying you may as well paste a big sign saying "look here, this guy thinks he's being sneaky" all over your traffic. The main place they're useful is if you want somebody a little bit more trustworthy than random open wifi hotspots to be the ones handling your data, or if you can get a VPN service provider in a country known not to cooperate with whoever the malicious actors are in your country. With a full on fiber connection, as long as it doesn't violate your ISPs terms of use, if you want to hide what you're actually doing, proper configuration of tor and/or i2p will likely serve you better, and help other people in oppressive countries do the same. That said, openvpn is still useful for point-to-point links between friends. Oh, and note that if your ISP works the same way as mine, they have a backdoor into whatever equipment they happen to have provided. So definitely put it in bridge mode or whatever and use your own gear if you don't want them spying on the doings of your internal network. One of the local ISPs here even calls it a "feature" and will ping the mobile app they require you to install to use their service every time they detect "suspicious" traffic on your internal net... LMP
RE: [gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11?
> > > -Original Message- > From: Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 12:51 AM > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org > Cc: c...@teo-en-ming-corp.com > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image > GUI environment look like Windows 10/11? > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 at 15:40, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:30:37 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > > > I believe many people will find Linux easy to use (user friendly) if > > > the GUI environment looks like Windows 10/11. > > > > The problem with that is Gentoo is not supposed to be easy to use, it > > is a "power user"'s distro. Sucking someone in with the guise of being > > like Windows is only likely to put them off Linux once they read page > > 1 of the installation instructions. > > > > There are distros that aim to be easy to use for Windows users, Gentoo > > is not one of them. > > > > > > -- > > Neil Bothwick > > > > Don't be humble, you're not that great. > > Noted with thanks. > > Regards, > > Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > Targeted Individual in Singapore > > Now, that said, if you're willing to do all the maintenance work for them to keep the system behaving the way they need it to, then yes. My mother is half-blind and for years I kept her old machine running with a Linux OS configured to look like Windows XP because she did a lot based on color and screen position. For the Windows 10 look you'll need a window manager that has a nice menu available. Something with searching built in, and with good theming support. Then you just need to sort out your custom theme. Don't try to distribute it though, MS will likely get twitchy and sue you if you do too good a job. Note that KDE already has a reasonably Windowsy feel to it. A lot of users might be happy with that. Although, over the years I've noticed that as long as the menu search function will match on keywords as well as just exact program names that's usually enough. The rest of the appearance details matter a lot less. LMP
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 at 17:40, Philip Webb wrote: > > 220805 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 at 15:40, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:30:37 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > >>> I believe many people will find Linux easy to use (user friendly) > >>> if the GUI environment looks like Windows 10/11. > >> The problem with that is Gentoo is not supposed to be easy to use, > >> it is a "power user"'s distro. > >> Sucking someone in with the guise of being like Windows > >> is only likely to put them off Linux once they read page 1 > >> of the installation instructions. > >> There are distros that aim to be easy to use for Windows users, > >> Gentoo is not one of them. > > Noted with thanks. > > Mint Linux with its Cinnamon desktop is probably what you want. > > Gentoo is typically for people who build their own machines > & want to choose their own selection of software to install in them. Hi there, You mean Linux Mint with Cinnamon desktop LOOKS VERY MUCH like Windows 10/11? Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11?
220805 Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 at 15:40, Neil Bothwick wrote: >> On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:30:37 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: >>> I believe many people will find Linux easy to use (user friendly) >>> if the GUI environment looks like Windows 10/11. >> The problem with that is Gentoo is not supposed to be easy to use, >> it is a "power user"'s distro. >> Sucking someone in with the guise of being like Windows >> is only likely to put them off Linux once they read page 1 >> of the installation instructions. >> There are distros that aim to be easy to use for Windows users, >> Gentoo is not one of them. > Noted with thanks. Mint Linux with its Cinnamon desktop is probably what you want. Gentoo is typically for people who build their own machines & want to choose their own selection of software to install in them. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 at 15:40, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:30:37 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > I believe many people will find Linux easy to use (user friendly) if > > the GUI environment looks like Windows 10/11. > > The problem with that is Gentoo is not supposed to be easy to use, it is > a "power user"'s distro. Sucking someone in with the guise of being like > Windows is only likely to put them off Linux once they read page 1 of the > installation instructions. > > There are distros that aim to be easy to use for Windows users, Gentoo is > not one of them. > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > Don't be humble, you're not that great. Noted with thanks. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11?
On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 15:30:37 +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > I believe many people will find Linux easy to use (user friendly) if > the GUI environment looks like Windows 10/11. The problem with that is Gentoo is not supposed to be easy to use, it is a "power user"'s distro. Sucking someone in with the guise of being like Windows is only likely to put them off Linux once they read page 1 of the installation instructions. There are distros that aim to be easy to use for Windows users, Gentoo is not one of them. -- Neil Bothwick Don't be humble, you're not that great. pgpF2TI7L7zIF.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[gentoo-user] Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11?
Subject: Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11? Good day from Singapore, Is it possible to make Gentoo LiveGUI ISO image GUI environment look like Windows 10/11? I believe many people will find Linux easy to use (user friendly) if the GUI environment looks like Windows 10/11. It will also drive up the number of downloads and installations. Post: New Gentoo LiveGUI ISO and artwork / branding contest! Link: https://www.gentoo.org/news/2022/04/03/livegui-artwork-contest.html Thank you. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming Targeted Individual in Singapore 5 Aug 2022 Friday Blogs: https://tdtemcerts.blogspot.com https://tdtemcerts.wordpress.com
