Re: [gentoo-user] swap on ssd?
在 2012年11月26日 星期一 09:08:00，Bill Kenworthy 写道： On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 08:29 +0800, microcai wrote: 2012/11/26 William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au: On Mon, 2012-11-26 at 00:02 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Montag, 26. November 2012, 06:46:28 schrieb William Kenworthy: Has anyone tried swap on ssd? - has it killed the drive prematurely? - any other effects? I have a system that is maxed with with 4G ram and tends to use swap heavily at times which slows things down ... so I am thinking a small ssd might help here. you know what helps even more? replacing those 4g with 8g. I would if I could - physical max is 4G ... a new mainborad is cheaper than SSDs. sell the currently used one and buy new one. BillK I dont think a new quality mainboard, cpu and 8 or more GB ram costs $au69 or less :) you can sell old one, just fill the gap. I will upgrade eventually, but even then I would start with an ssd as well. BillK -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 12:09:46，Volker Armin Hemmann 写道： Am Sonntag, 11. November 2012, 15:33:15 schrieb 微蔡: 在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道： On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go *BSD or even Windows for that matter. The current plan is going mdev, following Walter Dnes fine example, when I can find the time (perhaps during xmas). byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. wrong, it does need people like him. Following one 'messiah' like sheep (in this case Poettering and his pulseaudio/systemd mess) is not the RIGHT THING to do. There are always better solutions to a specific problem. a new kernel from Linus every morning and file kernel bug reports when appropriate. If I do find a kernel bug I may need to recompile/reboot many times as quickly as my machine can do it, so saving 15-20 seconds per reboot cycle just feels less painful :) if you can sacr 15-20 seconds there is something else broken. 20 seconds is the overall my box needs - with most time spent in bios. Without systemd. You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. I conclude you have no idea what you are talking about. Attacking people who have other NEEDS than you and so use a different SOLUTION is just wrong. sorry about that. different sulotion is good, but *hate* is bad. because when you do some techical decisions , *hate* will lead to wrong decisions. But what to expect from someone with a 'fedora' email adress. Fedora aka Redhat aka acting obnoxoius and pushing sub par solutions or try to be as incompatible as possible to everybody else used to use fedora 4 years ago. but don't want to re-subscrib to gentoo with new maill address. :) BTW. Don't overthink. it's not @redhat.com , just fedora. (see rpm mess, gcc 2.96 and other examples) -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:28:35，pk 写道： On 2012-11-11 08:33, 微蔡 wrote: byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. Ah, instead of a rational explanation of what kind of problem systemd solves for me you conclude: I'm a hater?... Well, I do hate solutions looking for problems to solve, especially where there are none to solve, and especially being forced into using them. So, I conclude: The community doesn't need people like YOU! Then find something to boost the BIOS. Yeah , UEFI goes out, and you say: BIOS is fine with me , I don't need UEFI. I'm running UEFI here (which runs on top of BIOS) on two motherboards. If you think UEFI replaces BIOS, research it[1][2]. Yes, it's intended to replace BIOS sometime (most likely very far) in the future. [1]:http://www.extremetech.com/computing/96985-demystifying-uefi-the-long-ov erdue-bios-replacement [2]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFI For the record, I have bought equipment that can be made compatible with coreboot, which I intend to install when I can find the time. coreboot is a true BIOS replacement (basically it focuses on just initialising the hardware and let payloads setup whatever services are needed). Solving the BIOS problem permanently and with technical elegance. So yes, I will replace UEFI/BIOS sometime in the future... You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. Hm... maybe you're paid by some Linux hate company to destroy it from within (also known as astroturfer)? I see you have a fedora mail address so why are you here on a Gentoo-list? Trying to push an agenda/preach? PS. I used to think Redhat was a really good open source citizen (I even used their distro in the late 90'ies), and they still are in some respects, but forcing, in my eyes, inferior technology onto the Linux world is not ok, IMO. ok , then why hate systemd ? you seems to hate systemd with no reason. BTW: I don't work for Red Hat. We are behinde the Wall . we work day and night for apple. even that, I don't have the so called best job in china. Best regards Peter K -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 07:22:41，Bruce Hill 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 01:49:03PM +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: hate is a natural reaction if something you don't need and don't want is forced upon you. If it is also based on lies, hate is a valid reaction. A lot of people don't need nor want pulseaudio or systemd. Now it is forced on everybody. When systemd devs took over udev, one was told that of course, one could use udev without [systemd] in the future. Now they are talking about making udev systemd only. obsolutly nonsense. what they remove , is the ability to build udev seperately. udev can still be used without systemd. -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月11日 星期日 13:59:50，Jorge Almeida 写道： On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 1:38 PM, pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2012-11-11 13:24, Jorge Almeida wrote: or later, but isn't it a nice coincidence that this perl is a product of the same totalitarian mindset that is determined to poison Linux? Can't we just calm down and try to be reasonably nice? I really didn't intend to start a flame war here... I just reacted without thinking and for that I apologise. You don't have anything to apologise for, you didn't offend anyone. I shall not apologise for reacting in strong terms to the intervention of someone who thinks he is entitled to tell people who don't share his fancy to go away. You over reacted. Best regards Jorge Almeida -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
在 2012年11月10日 星期六 20:56:45，pk 写道： On 2012-11-10 03:03, walt wrote: :) systemd is coming whether you or I like it or not so I'm trying to stay a bit ahead of the tsunami, that's all. Yes, systemd may be coming and may even become mandatory for the Linux kernel (given it's marriage with udev). when that comes, I'd rather go *BSD or even Windows for that matter. The current plan is going mdev, following Walter Dnes fine example, when I can find the time (perhaps during xmas). byebye haters . Comunitiy doesn't need people like you. The emotions started running high when Lennart pushed pulseaudio on us awhile ago, and he's doing it again now with systemd. I didn't see the purpose for pulse until I (finally) bought a new computer with audio hardware I'd never seen before, and then I finally understood why he invented this silly pulse nonsense. I don't use pulseaudio and never will. Alsa is working fine, using hardware mixer. I really don't understand why you would want to use a second layer on top of the hardware driver, I thought we gave that up years ago, abandoning the ESD and aRts. I still don't quite understand the entire motivation behind systemd but I'll bet it will become obvious to me in the future. I'm sure... A speedy reboot is very nice for those of use who compile and test a new kernel from Linus every morning and file kernel bug reports when appropriate. If I do find a kernel bug I may need to recompile/reboot many times as quickly as my machine can do it, so saving 15-20 seconds per reboot cycle just feels less painful :) Ok. For me, when booting, the most time spent is in the bios cycle. Booting from grub takes maybe 5-10 seconds... Then find something to boost the BIOS. Yeah , UEFI goes out, and you say: BIOS is fine with me , I don't need UEFI. I didn't intend to preach, I intended to brag that I got it working :p Ok, I just read it as preaching but I guess you can see it that way too. I was just a bit tired I guess, sorry! conclude: You maybe paid by some Linux hate company to express like this. Best regards Peter K -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] uefi gpt grub2
On Thursday 08 November 2012 13:53:22 Randolph Maaßen wrote: 2012/11/8 j...@jdm.myzen.co.uk Over the last few days I have tried to set up using uefi gpt and grub2. After many hours of frustration I have gone back to grub legacy and mbr. I followed the Gentoo wiki and Arch wiki and several other sources of which I failed miserably. Is this technology fairly unreliable? I booted from a uefi enabled usb stick but still fell over. Is this ready for mainstream or still alpha like? Also does ufibootmgr change motherboard firmware? Somehow this feels wrong if the case. John D Maunder Hi, I tried installing UEFI GPT too a few months ago, but I had a semi success. After some days of fiddeling around with parameters and variables I could boot the system, but I can't see the kernel output or open-rc. But the X built-in efifb and add video=efifb to kernel command line. loads and the system works after that like normal, but without the textual ttys. terminal emulations like xterm or so work. So I would install it again, but it isn't as easy as thought. -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Saturday 10 November 2012 00:13:04 pk wrote: On 2012-11-09 23:53, walt wrote: You Lennart haters out there (and I was one of you not so long ago ;) now I think he's not so bad after all. He just doesn't know yet how to explain things properly to old farts. Good for you. I really don't see the point in preaching systemd's greatness (or Lennart's). I'm not going to try it anyway. Also, I really don't see a point in booting fast (and I don't see anything wrong with openrc). So why do you feel the need to preach? Just curious... systemd is not just about booting fast. If booting fast is the only thing you can have in systemd, then systemd is nothing. what systemd give you: easier maintainance ! what openrc give you: already maintained well by Gentoo self-less- ness guy. but if an update goes, the Gentoo Devs will be busy again. Again , you're not the one maintainning such shell script crap.It's the ebuild maintainer that does. __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
Re: [gentoo-user] [ANNOUNCE] I like systemd now :)
On Saturday 10 November 2012 07:54:21 Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Freitag, 9. November 2012, 17:11:49 schrieb Keith Dart: Re 509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.se509D8E00.4030208@coolmail.sek7k1hn$ce6$1@ger.g ma ne.org, Dale said: I don't worry about boot up times much either. Here is why: I was thinking of converting to systemd on my Gentoo laptop. There I do boot frequently, and could benefit from quicker bootups. So I'm happy to some success stories with it, since I've been holding off on taking that plunge. -- Keith suspend to ram is the answer. Faster than any boot. The you are happy to use a system take take a year to boot, then never shutdown. -- __ gentoo rocks -- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || ||
