Re: [gentoo-user] Reconstruct package.use
On March 14, 2015 at 6:12 PM Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: It took 10 years but I've finally done something monumentally stupid in Gentoo: I delete package.use and have no backup Is there any easy way to recover what was in it? I'm busy doing it the long way round - repeatedly running emerge world, get past the blocking USE, then see all the flags that portage thinks changed. I wonder if there might be an easier way that I don't know of. -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com You have lost nothing, thanks to gentoolkit. Please run enalyze rebuild use and you will get package.use.test which will be the difference between default USE flags and yours. Then mv package.use.test /etc/portage/package.use will put you back in business. Happy Penguin Computers`) 805 Grant Street ( \ Bessemer, AL 35020 ^^ Cell: 205-535-0347 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] ceph on gentoo?
On December 27, 2014 at 10:19 AM Andrew Savchenko birc...@gentoo.org wrote: Please stop insults and offensive language. I just sent replies to the list, this is verifiable by mail headers. My apologies to you sir. If you have mail problems, check your MTA or whatever you are using to receive e-mail from this list. As you can see, other people don't have this problems. On my workstation mail is POP3 using mutt and mail-mta/msmtp is the MTA. Just my guess: greylisting is broken (or had a temporary lag) on mail server you are using. There is no greylisting/blacklisting being done. I checked mail at the web interface for the hosting company, and there was no repeat of messages here; only in Mutt. Now there is another account doing the same thing. Can you offer any technical suggestions as for what to check? Best regards, Andrew Savchenko Kindest regards, Bruce
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]
On March 19, 2012 at 9:13 AM Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:48:54 -0400 (EDT), Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is so questionable that Lennartware has become derogatory slang. (Of course, you already know that.) And this is such a common term nowadays that when Googling for Lennartware only one reference to it turn up on the first page, and that is your post! I suppose by quoting your post I have doubled the popularity of this commonplace slang :-O This whole systemd for and against thread has turned up some interesting points - interspersed with vague handwaving from you. -- Neil Bothwick mingdao@workstation ~ $ grep Lennartware irclogs/* irclogs/#gentoo-dev.log:09:01 @bonsaikitten Caster: do you see now why I don't appreciate Lennartware? irclogs/#gentoo.log:10:56 @bonsaikitten Zaba: Lennartware. Linux needs to be more like MacOS https://s6-us2.startpage.com/do/search?cmd=process_searchpid=04014d679c59b80b606405a6fe33495a --- 4 references Various other mentions of systemd being nefarious software are mostly amongst kernel devs and might not use the word Lennartware, but the logical reasons why systemd is a _bad_ idea are the same. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
On March 18, 2012 at 2:30 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: snip initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but in the short term I couldn't determine how mdadm was numbering the RAID so that I could get grub.conf correct. I'm somehow a bot worried something is going to slip by the devs and I'd be better off having an initramfs already running on the box when I do allow the upgrades. Planning on giving Dracut a try. Thanks, Mark The real short of this is that if you use 0.90 superblocks, and /boot on it's own little partition, your kernel can assembly your RAIDwhateverlevel without an initrd image. You will reboot with the /dev/md0 you created as /dev/md0. And unless you have partitions (or is it single drives) over 2TB, you can use metadata=0.90. As they say, Works For Me (R). I've yet to read a simple explanation of HOW-TO do this in a Gentoo doc (not that it doesn't exist), but you can follow this very simple README_RAID used in Slackware to build them on Gentoo: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/README_RAID.TXT I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :( -- :wq Works on my computers. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :( -- :wq Works on my computers. And mine. But 'deprecated' means 'this may go away in the future'. My question ... who says it's deprecated and why? -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems
On March 18, 2012 at 6:22 AM pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote: On 2012-03-18 04:11, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: Am I eternally confused? I have no idea... besides, eternity is a long time... ;-) su - change user ID or become superuser It's not _only_ to become root (maybe theoretically if you only have one normal user). On a true multiuser system you can su (switch user) to any user. Yes, correct. Sorry if this was implied; I only talked about Dales specific problem... Since _every_ computer I own or have _ever_ built has -pam globally, pam is not a requirement to use su ... is it? Nope. Again, I was only trying to help Dale... If su is owned by 'root.root' (user.group) I assumed that it's execution was controlled by something else since it otherwise should be owned by 'root.wheel' (unless you're part of the 'root' group, which I don't think is recommended). If you're not running pam then I assume your 'su' is owned by 'root.wheel'? Best regards Peter K The ownership is not changed, with user(s) where it's necessary (never on servers) in the wheel group. mingdao@t420 ~ $ ls -l /bin/su -rws--x--x 1 root root 53440 Oct 7 07:00 /bin/su mingdao@t420 ~ $ ls -l /usr/bin/sudo ---s--x--x 2 root root 71144 Feb 22 06:34 /usr/bin/sudo # less /etc/sudoers snip ## Same thing without a password %wheel ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL snip mingdao@t420 ~ $ id uid=1000(mingdao) gid=1000(mingdao) groups=1000(mingdao),7(lp),10(wheel),16(cron),18(audio),19(cdrom),27(video),80(cdrw),85(usb),100(users),250(portage) The 'stuff' happens when you issue visudo and edit the above file. I've never studied this on Gentoo, but also have: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 180696 Feb 22 06:34 /usr/lib64/sudo/sudoers.so Meh ... too much to learn for an old dog like me. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
On March 18, 2012 at 8:47 AM Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Sonntag, 18. März 2012, 08:01:59 schrieb Bruce Hill, Jr.: On March 18, 2012 at 3:54 AM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: I recall reading on this list a week or two ago that kernel autoassembly of 0.90 arrays was deprecated. :( -- :wq Works on my computers. And mine. But 'deprecated' means 'this may go away in the future'. My question ... who says it's deprecated and why? the kernel devs because the kernel might get it wrong and for some reason they think that this is worse then mdadm getting it wrong. Which is of course bullshit because either way you are f*cked. It works better in kernel than userspace presently, and doesn't require a nasty initrd image, so I'm sticking with that. Might you post from LKML where said kernel devs deprecated kernel assembly of RAID us 0.90 metadata? -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Initramfs or move /usr to /, oh my...
On March 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Tanstaafl tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: [snip] Ok, I have never used genkernel, and have no desire to... I have no idea what dracut is or how to use it... I have a remote system that has /usr on a separate partition. So... How do I find out if I am actually *using* an initramfs right now (I know it is built into the kernel), and ls -l /boot/ will tell you. There is a difference between an initrd (initial RAM disk) image (simple) and an initramfs (initial RAM filesystem) (complicated). Gentoo used to have a script called mkinitrd. It was removed before I migrated to Gentoo, but I should look in attic to see if it's still there. To date I've found no one in Gentoo who will even discuss it. Slackware has used mkinitrd for ions, and it still works very efficiently there. Of course, Eric Hameleers understands the script, and Slackware's init scripts, and maintains mkinitrd. Maybe in Gentoo somebody upstream scared people with initramfs, like they're doing with this horrible systemd idea, and whoever maintained mkinitrd just cowered in the corner and dropped the ball. Who knows? The bottom line is that officially Gentoo has abandoned initrd for initramfs. You can write a script to make an initrd, as people do all the time. But don't look for official Gentoo support for it. It seems to me after a year around Gentoo that things get so complicated, and upstream gets to force things on Gentoo (such as systemd), because there are just too many different developers. All are human with different opinions, so you wind up with people going off in different directions with no cohesive ability to stand against upstream. IOW, we're too forked within Gentoo. For instance, the maintainer of ConsoleKit in Gentoo (Gnome herd guy) says he doesn't care about systemd, he's maintaining ConsoleKit and it's not going anywhere. (We'll see...) Anyway ... for more on Gentoo's initramfs read http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Initramfs If I am not, how do I do this without using genkernel? Is dracut the *only* other option? Is it easy/trivial to set one up manually? On March 18, 2012 at 2:52 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com prattled: udev is going to be unmasked, not stabilized. By the time udev gets into x86/amd64, hopefully the documentation necessary will be ready. That's you telling the world what an asinine idea this drastic change is ... when it's the stable version, which most of the unsuspecting Gentoo userbase will emerge, hopefully the documentation necessary will be ready. Par for the Poettering course. You can suscribe to bug 407959 (https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407959), which tracks the documentation changes necessary. Right now the only blocker is 408691 (https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=408691), but I'm sure it will be joined by more bugs in the near future. Devs are already working on the documentation. If you have a test spare machine, you can help them, and the whole Gentoo comunity. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés udev is already unmasked, and stabilized at 171-r5 now... You need to explain what you mean ... you're probably talking about udev-181 Please don't encourage people who don't understand what's happening to test nefarious software ideas. There is nothing about this that's going to help the whole Gentoo community. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Goodbye to gentoo?
On March 18, 2012 at 8:36 PM Maxim Wexler maxim.wex...@gmail.com wrote: Hope somebody can see a way out. MW I'd probably swap my computer shop and all it's latest-and-greatest to live where you are, and leave all the computers, 'smart' phones, etc. in town. Just me, the wife, the daughter, horses, chickens ... you get the picture. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
On March 17, 2012 at 4:00 AM Andrea Conti a...@alyf.net wrote: This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of udev =181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot your system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr. [...] Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. The problem, if you really want to call this a problem, is with udev, not OpenRC. Switching to systemd is not going to solve it. Personally I stopped bothering with a separate /usr ages ago, so I don't really care. andrea Bravo! It's (systemd) the same mentality as those who started Ubuntu to attract Windoze Weenies because Gentoo, or even Slackware, was too hard for them to install. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
On March 17, 2012 at 7:59 AM Alan Mackenzie a...@muc.de wrote: Hello Bruce, Thanks for the heads up. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 12:11:23AM -0400, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: This item just appeared after eix-sync: udev-181 is being unmasked on 2012-03-19. Why is he in such a hurry? For more information on why this has been done, see the following URL: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken Yuck! -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). This time, it truly is upstream. They're rushing headlong to get all of us to use POS systems like Fedora and Ubuntu. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]
On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives soon. It's the best init system I ever saw. What's so good about it? What will it do for me? I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that it will be more complicated than /sbin/init + OpenRC, just like udev + initramfs is more complicated than udev, and CUPS is more complicated than classical lpr. Why do you find it so good? No idea. I only posted this because the OP didn't say what's bad about systemd :-) I really don't know I should care whether my system runs OpenRC or systemd. I'm the OP, and often I don't know how to express myself. It is my understanding that systemd is going to force an initramfs on you even if you only have / and no other partitions. (Could it be initrd and not initramfs?) I'm all for automounting a device when it's plugged in, if that's what the user chooses. But for me, with my workstation, laptop, wife's PC and daughter's laptop -- we just don't need or care for it. Seems a shame to be using udev and then have to completely change your system when 181 comes out, or freeze it at . Therefore, we don't install anything to automount devices. We have lines such as these in fstab: UUID=6C5F-3742/Libby-Vivitar vfat noauto,users,rw,gid=100,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 for those devices we own. When we get a new device, we add a new line. We don't use a DE either, just Fluxbox. The bottom line is that I don't like things being forced on me (hint, get the vaseline, they're on the way!) And I don't like upstream forcing such nefarious changes on the distros. And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is so questionable that Lennartware has become derogatory slang. (Of course, you already know that.) -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]
On March 17, 2012 at 9:45 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: But again, remember that I'm biased: I keep an overlay to run Gentoo systems with only systemd; no OpenRC, no baselayout, no SysV. You guys can try it if you want: http://xochitl.matem.unam.mx/~canek/gentoo-systemd-only/ Usual disclaimer: I take no responsibility if using my overlay results in your systems asploding. That said, I'm using it on all my machines without a hitch. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Okay, I'm game. Monday (time and work flow permitting) I plan on building a new PC and installing Gentoo, and replacing the mechanical drive in this Lenovo T420 with a SSD. Far be it from me to be guilty of contempt prior to investigation. Therefore, I'll follow your referenced guide above and do at least one of these installs with systemd. If there is anything out of sync with present stage3 tarballs and portage, it would be great if you could update your docs. The last 2 new installs this week are running Python3.2, and with zero time to actually work on it, I'm submitting even sloppy bug reports to BGO. (Just ran across another app tonight which won't build with python2.) -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] KDE and permissions problems
On March 17, 2012 at 9:11 AM pk pete...@coolmail.se wrote:
That's what gives you permission to use 'su' as a member of the 'wheel'
group ('su' is controlled by 'pam').
Best regards
Peter K
Am I eternally confused?
su - change user ID or become superuser
It's not _only_ to become root (maybe theoretically if you only have one
normal user). On a true multiuser system you can su (switch user) to any
user.
Since _every_ computer I own or have _ever_ built has -pam globally, pam is
not a requirement to use su ... is it?
mingdao@t420 ~ $ grep pam /etc/make.conf
truetype udev unicode unicode3 vaapi vim-syntax x264 -consolekit -pam
mingdao@t420 ~ $ id
uid=1000(mingdao) gid=1000(mingdao)
groups=1000(mingdao),7(lp),10(wheel),16(cron),18(audio),19(cdrom),27(video),80(cdrw),85(usb),100(users),250(portage)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(
On March 17, 2012 at 10:20 AM Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Android != Linux (in context of userspace)
To get a phone shipped with a running Linux (in the usual definition of
Linux, not Richard Stallman's) you need that Nokia one that will never
again see the light of day.
Or root your Sony and stick Debian on it. Being a Sony device, that
might be hard.
--
Alan McKinnnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
I could also say, IMHO, Ubuntu != Linux (in context of userspace) :-)}
My personal definition of Linux is The Linux Kernel, which source can
be downloaded from kernel.org.
My Samsung Galaxy S has Kernel version 2.6.35.7, which I assume to be The
Linux Kernel.
Sure, it's not beyond Google to steal, or borrow, code and rewrite enough
stuff and call it it's own. But we all know the source. (And failure to
agree to the new Google {Play,Music,Books} and YouTube license(s) has
caused me not to be able to upgrade applications ... 16 iirc and counting.)
I'm just wondering what Linux phone he, or anyone, is using -- after him
saying [the vast majority of Linux users right now are phone users.]
Maybe the vast majority of Linux users are phone users, but I took it to
mean the vast majority of Linux users are those using phones running Linux
(which I highly doubt).
After using the previously mentioned iPhone (my first smartphone) for 1
year, it just made me feel weird being so not-like-Linux. But it works
well, except for decreased cell signal when holding the phone.
After using this Android phone for 3 months, I'm counting the days until I
can upgrade to an iPhone. The Galaxy has frozen, crashed, hung; it's
wireless signal is not nearly as good as the iPhone, nor is it's battery
usage. It has features which I like over the iPhone 3 series, but I've
never used a 4 series to compare. And customer services says, Maybe you
have a virus. We're not trained on Android, just Windoze and Apple
devices. (So why offer them to your customers? There's money in it,
silly!)
Just curious about phones. After using these 2 smartphones (since June
2010), I miss my dumb flip phone. If money were no object, I'd buy one of
the new iPads for ultra portable internet access, and get a simple dumb
phone for cellular use.
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Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
On March 17, 2012 at 8:43 PM Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: snip initramfs side of things. I did have to use one to bring up my server with / on a RAID6, not because I needed it long term but in the short term I couldn't determine how mdadm was numbering the RAID so that I could get grub.conf correct. I'm somehow a bot worried something is going to slip by the devs and I'd be better off having an initramfs already running on the box when I do allow the upgrades. Planning on giving Dracut a try. Thanks, Mark The real short of this is that if you use 0.90 superblocks, and /boot on it's own little partition, your kernel can assembly your RAIDwhateverlevel without an initrd image. You will reboot with the /dev/md0 you created as /dev/md0. And unless you have partitions (or is it single drives) over 2TB, you can use metadata=0.90. As they say, Works For Me (R). I've yet to read a simple explanation of HOW-TO do this in a Gentoo doc (not that it doesn't exist), but you can follow this very simple README_RAID used in Slackware to build them on Gentoo: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/README_RAID.TXT -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]
On March 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote: Hello, Nikos. On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. No, we don't. I hope systemd arrives soon. It's the best init system I ever saw. What's so good about it? What will it do for me? I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that it will be more complicated than /sbin/init + OpenRC, just like udev + initramfs is more complicated than udev, and CUPS is more complicated than classical lpr. Why do you find it so good? No idea. I only posted this because the OP didn't say what's bad about systemd :-) I really don't know I should care whether my system runs OpenRC or systemd. I'm the OP, and often I don't know how to express myself. It is my understanding that systemd is going to force an initramfs on you even if you only have / and no other partitions. (Could it be initrd and not initramfs?) I'm all for automounting a device when it's plugged in, if that's what the user chooses. But for me, with my workstation, laptop, wife's PC and daughter's laptop -- we just don't need or care for it. Seems a shame to be using udev and then have to completely change your system when 181 comes out, or freeze it at . Therefore, we don't install anything to automount devices. We have lines such as these in fstab: UUID=6C5F-3742/Libby-Vivitar vfat noauto,users,rw,gid=100,dmask=0002,fmask=0113 0 0 for those devices we own. When we get a new device, we add a new line. We don't use a DE either, just Fluxbox. The bottom line is that I don't like things being forced on me (hint, get the vaseline, they're on the way!) And I don't like upstream forcing such nefarious changes on the distros. And for the Lennart fanboi, his coding is so questionable that Lennartware has become derogatory slang. (Of course, you already know that.) No need to get personal man, relax. I disagree ... there's every reason to get personal. Not getting personal doesn't assign the blame. Men stand up and take responsibility for their actions. I'm getting my PhD in Computer Science snip I got my PhD in life before your parents met. So what? Just saying... So again, please, [citation needed]. You still haven't provided any reference to support your claim that Lennart's code (specifically systemd's code) is poorly done. Mate, have you heard of the world wide web? The internet? Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés Seriously, mate ... are you his boyfriend, on his payroll, related, or what? You search LKML for yourself. I've been there since 2003 and have numerous memories. How about: http://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-programs-systemd-journal Sorry, mate ... many of us here are allergic to FUD :-)} -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
[gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
This item just appeared after eix-sync: HTPC ~ # eselect news read 2012-03-16-udev-181-unmasking Title udev-181 unmasking AuthorWilliam Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org Posted2012-03-16 Revision 1 udev-181 is being unmasked on 2012-03-19. This news item is to inform you that once you upgrade to a version of udev =181, if you have /usr on a separate partition, you must boot your system with an initramfs which pre-mounts /usr. An initramfs which does this is created by =sys-kernel/genkernel-3.4.25.1 or =sys-kernel/dracut-017-r1. If you do not want to use these tools, be sure any initramfs you create pre-mounts /usr. Also, if you are using OpenRC, you must upgrade to = openrc-0.9.9. For more information on why this has been done, see the following URL: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon. Houston, we have a problem! -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(
On March 14, 2012 at 1:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Alan, the vast majority of Linux users right now are phone users. At least, that's how I see it. Again, think about phones. And tablets. And TVs. And [insert-here-cool-gadgets-from-the-future]. Right now Linux runs in my phone, my TV's, my routers and every computer I own. I have a couple of Windows installations, which I use once or twice every three months (I ported a PyGTK program to Windows last week, so I had to boot into Windows for the first time this year). I want Linux running on *everything*, and what is more: I don't want android in my handhelds, I want the full GNOME experience. Regards. -- What phone do you have running which Linux? I'm curious because a couple months ago we got new Samsung Galaxy S phones. I'd previously used an iPhone 3GS for a bit over a year. Since I can't stand Apple, as a company, it was with great joy that we could get 2 of these Galaxy S phones for free (with the 2-year contract, of course). -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] The End Is Near ... or, get the vaseline, they're on the way!
-- On March 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken Happy Computer Users (for now), systemd is on your horizon. Houston, we have a problem! You can always try Walter's et. al. mdev replacement: http://www.waltdnes.org/mdev/ Sad fact is systemd will soon be required in Gentoo. Forget the udev/mdev argument ... systemd is poorly coded, and we're getting so much further from a good, reliable DE to compete with the likes of Windows 7. Just horse manure DEs in Gentoo now. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] How can I trigger kernel panic?
On March 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM ZHANG, Le r0be...@gentoo.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Jarry mr.ja...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, my question might seem silly, but I have reason for it: I have heard there is way to auto-reboot linux after kernel panic using kernel.panic=time in /etc/sysctl.conf. This might come handy as my server is far from me and I do not have any remote console. But I would like to test it and see if it works (first on my desktop). So my question is: Can I somehow deliberately trigger kernel panic (or kernel oops)? For panic, echo c /proc/sysrq-trigger -- Zhang Le, Robert Gentoo/Loongson(龙芯) Developer http://zhangle.is-a-geek.org Nasty way to do it, but I thought that should be: echo b / proc / sysrq-trigger Isn't b for reboot? -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot upgraded kerne;
On March 13, 2012 at 3:10 AM Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday 13 Mar 2012 05:36:38 ro...@cs.wisc.edu wrote: I recently decided to update my AMD64 box from 2.38 to the new 3.2 kernel. I used genkernel all to compile the upgraded kernel but when I go to boot I get the following error. Loading modules Determining root device !!Block device /dev/sdb2 is not a valid root device !!Could not find the root block device in . Pleas specify another value or press enter for the same, type shell for a shell, or qto skip.. root block device():: However at this point the computer is hung and I am no longer able to input anything. I just switched over to gentoo from bsd a year or so ago and am still a newbie at some of the installation procedures but I believe I have followed the manual correctly with the only change being that /boot is located on the root partition and not a seperate partition. I'm still able to use my older kernel without a problem and the only difference that I can note between the two is that older kernel seems to load in a bunch of modules and starts mdev, I believe, before trying to locate root. I am also using Lilo since my motherboard doesn't seem to like grub. Any help I could get would be appreciated. roger Here is a print out of lilo.conf boot=/dev/sdb map=/boot/map prompt timeout=50 default=Windows image=/boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.38-gentoo-r6 label=2.6.38 read-only append=real_root=/dev/sdb2 vga=773 initrd=/boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.38-gentoo-r6 image=/boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-3.2.1-gentoo-r2 label=3.2.1 read-only append=real_root=/dev/sdb2 initrd=/boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-3.2.1-gentoo-r2 other=/dev/sda1 label=Windows Here is a print out of fdisk Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders, total 156301488 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x37cd3650 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sdb1204812584959 6291456 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sdb2 *1258496014682111 1048576 83 Linux /dev/sdb314682112 156301487708096885 Extended /dev/sdb51468416018878463 2097152 83 Linux /dev/sdb61888051223074815 2097152 83 Linux /dev/sdb7230768646501990320971520 83 Linux /dev/sdb865021952 15630148745639768 83 Linux Here is a print out of fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # noatime turns off atimes for increased performance (atimes normally aren't # needed); notail increases performance of ReiserFS (at the expense of storage # efficiency). It's safe to drop the noatime options if you want and to # switch between notail / tail freely. # # The root filesystem should have a pass number of either 0 or 1. # All other filesystems should have a pass number of 0 or greater than 1. # # See the manpage fstab(5) for more information. # # fsmountpointtype optsdump/pass # NOTE: If your BOOT partition is ReiserFS, add the notail option to opts. /dev/sdb2/ext3noatime 0 1 /dev/sdb1noneswapsw 0 0 /dev/sdb5/varext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sdb6/tmpext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sdb7/usrext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sdb8/homeext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/cdrom/mnt/cdromauto noauto,ro 0 0 /dev/sda2/mnt/Windowsntfs defaults 1 2 proc /procproc defaults0 0 shm/dev/shmtmpfs nodev,nouisd,noexec0 0 #tmpfs /var/tmp/portagetmpfs size=500M,mode=07770 0 In all likelihood you have not included in your kernel (built in, not as modules) the corresponding SATA controller driver. Run a diff between old and new kernel .config to find out what's missing, or cp your old .config into your new kernel tree and run 'make oldconfig'. -- Regards, Mick It would not matter that he has his / fs drive controller as a module and not built in with an initrd. That's the purpose of an initrd image ... to load modules needed before the kernel is loaded. Now, his initrd might not be built correctly, but that's another story. Roger, it looks like you didn't run lilo as
Re: [gentoo-user] Can't boot upgraded kerne;
On March 13, 2012 at 1:36 AM ro...@cs.wisc.edu wrote:
I recently decided to update my AMD64 box from 2.38 to the new 3.2
kernel.
I used genkernel all to compile the upgraded kernel but when I go to boot
I get the following error.
Loading modules
Determining root device
!!Block device /dev/sdb2 is not a valid root device
!!Could not find the root block device in .
Pleas specify another value or press enter for the same, type shell
for
a shell, or qto skip..
root block device()::
However at this point the computer is hung and I am no longer able to
input anything. I just switched over to gentoo from bsd a year or so ago
and am still a newbie at some of the installation procedures but I
believe
I have followed the manual correctly with the only change being that
/boot
is located on the root partition and not a seperate partition. I'm still
able to use my older kernel without a problem and the only difference
that
I can note between the two is that older kernel seems to load in a bunch
of modules and starts mdev, I believe, before trying to locate root. I am
also using Lilo since my motherboard doesn't seem to like grub. Any help
I
could get would be appreciated.
roger
Here is a print out of lilo.conf
boot=/dev/sdb
map=/boot/map
prompt
timeout=50
default=Windows
image=/boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.38-gentoo-r6
label=2.6.38
read-only
append=real_root=/dev/sdb2
vga=773
initrd=/boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-2.6.38-gentoo-r6
image=/boot/kernel-genkernel-x86_64-3.2.1-gentoo-r2
label=3.2.1
read-only
append=real_root=/dev/sdb2
initrd=/boot/initramfs-genkernel-x86_64-3.2.1-gentoo-r2
other=/dev/sda1
label=Windows
Here is a print out of fdisk
Disk /dev/sdb: 80.0 GB, 80026361856 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 9729 cylinders, total 156301488 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x37cd3650
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdb1204812584959 6291456 82 Linux swap /
Solaris
/dev/sdb2 *1258496014682111 1048576 83 Linux
/dev/sdb314682112 156301487708096885 Extended
/dev/sdb51468416018878463 2097152 83 Linux
/dev/sdb61888051223074815 2097152 83 Linux
/dev/sdb7230768646501990320971520 83 Linux
/dev/sdb865021952 15630148745639768 83 Linux
Here is a print out of fstab
# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
# noatime turns off atimes for increased performance (atimes normally
aren't
# needed); notail increases performance of ReiserFS (at the expense of
storage
# efficiency). It's safe to drop the noatime options if you want and to
# switch between notail / tail freely.
#
# The root filesystem should have a pass number of either 0 or 1.
# All other filesystems should have a pass number of 0 or greater than 1.
#
# See the manpage fstab(5) for more information.
#
# fsmountpointtype
optsdump/pass
# NOTE: If your BOOT partition is ReiserFS, add the notail option to
opts.
/dev/sdb2/ext3noatime
0 1
/dev/sdb1noneswapsw
0 0
/dev/sdb5/varext3defaults
1 2
/dev/sdb6/tmpext3defaults
1 2
/dev/sdb7/usrext3defaults
1 2
/dev/sdb8/homeext3
defaults
1 2
/dev/cdrom/mnt/cdromautonoauto,ro
0 0
/dev/sda2/mnt/Windowsntfsdefaults
1 2
proc /procproc
defaults0 0
shm/dev/shmtmpfs
nodev,nouisd,noexec0 0
#tmpfs /var/tmp/portagetmpfs
size=500M,mode=07770 0
Something else ...
LiLO doesn't need/use this real_root= convention. It knows that
/dev/sdb2 is /dev/sdb2. So, according to your fdisk and /etc/fstab output,
I think this /etc/lilo.conf should work for you:
[code]
# Faster, but won't work on all systems:
compact
# Should work for most systems, and does not have the sector limit:
lba32
# If lba32 does not work, use linear:
#linear
vga=773
# MBR to install LILO to:
boot = /dev/sda
map = /boot/.map
default = Windows
install = /boot/boot-menu.b # Note that for lilo-22.5.5 or later you
# do not need boot-{text,menu,bmp}.b in
# /boot, as they are linked into the lilo
#
Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(
On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: snip Fringe programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but the moment a fringe program reaches critical mass to become maistream, the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. I'm willing to bet a beer on that prediction. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés It _sounds_ like your definition of a fringe program is one that does not need udev; but when it becomes mainstream it will need udev. If not, you write us the definition of a fringe program and a mainstream program. Excuse me, but that's just incredibly _arrogant_! I wasn't getting into this ridiculous discussion, but your irresponsible ranting... Yes, I dedicate my Linux life to killing FUD, and that post of yours is FUD! I'm from the South, where FUD is colloquially called bullmanure. :-)} Below are some mainstream programs that my every computer on the LAN in my computer business uses _every_ day which don't require udev: x11-terms/rxvt-unicode app-editors/vim net-misc/dhcpcd ... The more I think about your arrogance, the more ticked off I get! Here's the very few packages on my workstation that _do_ require udev: mingdao@workstation ~ $ equery depends udev * These packages depend on udev: media-libs/libcanberra-0.28-r5 (udev ? =sys-fs/udev-160) media-libs/mesa-7.11.2 (gbm ? sys-fs/udev) media-video/vlc-1.1.13 (udev ? =sys-fs/udev-142) net-print/hplip-3.11.10 (acl ? =sys-fs/udev-171[acl]) (acl ? =sys-fs/udev-145[extras]) (kernel_linux ? =sys-fs/udev-114) sys-fs/lvm2-2.02.88 (=sys-fs/udev-151-r4) virtual/dev-manager-0 (sys-fs/udev) x11-base/xorg-server-1.11.2-r2 (udev ? =sys-fs/udev-150) x11-libs/cairo-1.10.2-r1 (drm ? =sys-fs/udev-136) x11-libs/libva-1.0.15 (video_cards_dummy ? sys-fs/udev) Perhaps it would be ridiculously easy to get rid of udev on this box. But, that's not the point I'm making here. It's not so much that udev is evil, to me; but that requiring an initrd is stupid. And, it's not so much udev vs. mdev or whatever, but that your attitude _STINKS_! Geez... -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(
On March 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: On March 13, 2012 at 4:27 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: snip Fringe programs will not require udev, or it will be optional; but the moment a fringe program reaches critical mass to become maistream, the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. I'm willing to bet a beer on that prediction. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés It _sounds_ like your definition of a fringe program is one that does not need udev; but when it becomes mainstream it will need udev. If not, you write us the definition of a fringe program and a mainstream program. Excuse me, but that's just incredibly _arrogant_! Relax man. That's why fringe is written QUOTE fringe UNQUOTE, and mainstream is written QUOTE mainstream UNQUOTE. If it makes you happy, replace fringe with GNOME/KDE/XFCE/lvm2-not-related and mainstream with GNOME/KDE/XFCE/lvm2-related. That's using the very same definition that Walter (the guy behind the mdev-instead-of-udev effort) used just three mails below (or above, depending on your email client). Please chill, no need to get all worked out. And I maintain my prediction. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés So, what qualifies for the moment a fringe program reaches critical mass to become maistream, the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. Again, quoting _your_ definition. I gave you examples of programs which have reached critical mass, which don't require udev. And, I'm not attaching your character, for I know you not ... just attacking your FUD! -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 5 - failure :-(
On March 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM Canek Peláez Valdés can...@gmail.com wrote: Just what I was saying: I said (right there) the probability of it needing udev (directly or indirectly) will increase. I did not say it would *need* udev for sure; just that the probability of it needing udev would increase. And I call FUD! I'm not spreading FUD; I'm just stating my opinion. And I stick to it; wanna bet that beer? I don't bet or drink, but will say you're right if you produce verifiable facts. Regards. -- Canek Peláez Valdés -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] virt-manager-0.9.1 broken?
On March 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM Stefan G. Weichinger li...@xunil.at wrote: Anyone else seeing this? No bugreport yet, and I rebuilt and revdeped Stefan There is a stabilization request for it: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=407559 -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] how updating to gnome3 ?!
On March 12, 2012 at 8:56 AM Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Alan! I thought more or less that I have to unmask packages, or making any configurations to unlock the update to gnome3. If I run now: tamer@office ~ $ emerge -pav gnome These are the packages that would be merged, in order: Calculating dependencies... done! [ebuild R] gnome-base/gnome-2.32.1-r1 USE=cdr cups dvdr ldap policykit -accessibility -mono 0 kB Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB tamer@office ~ $ I get one package to reinstall. If I run layman -a gnome and re-execute the command: I got this message: * If you enabled the GNOME overlay to get GNOME 3.2, please disable * it now, since GNOME 3.2 is already in portage and unmasked. How do I install gnome 3.2, that is now in portage?! Tamer snip What sort of information are you looking for? gnome-3 is marked unstable, so if you run ~x86 or ~amd64 just emerge -av gnome and deal with any breakage. This is generally how gentoo works for everything. What were you expecting in terms of documentation ? It's still ~arch so add gnome-base/gnome (or some such) to /etc/portage/package.accept_keywords -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] how updating to gnome3 ?!
On March 12, 2012 at 10:04 AM Tamer Higazi th9...@googlemail.com wrote:
and it still didn't bring me the desired result :(
Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild R] gnome-base/gnome-2.32.1-r1 USE=cdr cups dvdr ldap
policykit -accessibility -mono 0 kB
Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
!!! The following update has been skipped due to unsatisfied
dependencies:
gnome-base/gnome:2.0
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy =x11-wm/mutter-3.2.1 have been
masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your
request:
- x11-wm/mutter-3.2.2::gentoo (masked by: ~amd64 keyword)
- x11-wm/mutter-3.2.1-r1::gentoo (masked by: ~amd64 keyword)
(dependency required by gnome-base/gnome-3.2.1 [ebuild])
For more information, see the MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge
man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
tamer@office /etc/portage $
Being new to ebuilds, forgive me if I'm wrong, but the requirement is
stated in the gnome-3.2.1.ebuild:
=x11-wm/mutter-${PV}
as also stated in your output above.
You probably have flags for gnome:2.0 all over /etc/portage/package.* also.
Certainly someone more experienced will soon clarify.
Bruce
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[gentoo-user] virtual/shadow
These virtual apps are irritating me, and the fanboi answers in #gentoo are worse. What is the purpose of virtual/shadow and why would I want it? Today's update output: server ~ # emerge -aDjNquv world [ebuild N] virtual/shadow-0 Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No] No Quitting. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: LVM, /usr and really really bad thoughts.
On March 12, 2012 at 2:30 PM Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget you're using Gentoo; you're implicitly not very far removed from the skill levels of the developers themselves. -- :wq Maybe you're not, but it only takes me a few minutes being around chithead and NeddySeagoon for me to realize I ain't gotta Gentoo clue! -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] virtual/shadow
On March 12, 2012 at 2:50 PM Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr. da...@happypenguincomputers.com wrote: These virtual apps are irritating me, and the fanboi answers in #gentoo are worse. What is the purpose of virtual/shadow and why would I want it? Virtual packages are kind of an abstraction layer for compatible alternative packages. Other packages can depend on the virtual instead of depending on every combination of possible alternatives, and the user can install whichever of the alternatives he prefers. For example, MariaDB is a drop-in replacement for MySQL. From a dependency standpoint, they are compatible. Instead of any program depending on MySQL being modified to check for either MySQL or MariaDB, virtual/mysql was created and it can be satisfied by either dev-db/mysql or dev-db/mariadb being installed. In the case of shadow, he new virtual is to allow you to use either sys-apps/shadow or sys-apps/hardened-shadow. See here: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/dev/249394 If you view the virtual package's ebuild, this line is the key: RDEPEND=|| ( =sys-apps/shadow-4.1 sys-apps/hardened-shadow ) HTH :) Thanks for the kind explanation. I didn't realize hardened was not a profile (selinux is) and wondered why anything to do with hardened would even show up on my system(s). -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: virtual/shadow
On March 12, 2012 at 3:19 PM Nikos Chantziaras rea...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/03/12 20:05, Bruce Hill, Jr. wrote: These virtual apps are irritating me, and the fanboi answers in #gentoo are worse. What is the purpose of virtual/shadow and why would I want it? Paul's answers covers it, but I'll give an explanation that is the reverse of a fanboi answer. The reason we need virtuals is because of a shortcoming in portage: lack of provides functionality. RPM packages can tell the package manager what they provide. For example, RPMs for libav and ffmpeg can both use ffmpeg as their provides field. Portage can't do that, so it needs a new virtual/ffmpeg package instead. My only experience building software was making scripts to work on my own computer(s), which didn't require checking deps for everybody and his brother's possible setups; so frequently portage offends me with it's dep checking and installing. Thanks for the patience, guys. My mind has not morphed to The Gentoo Way (R) yet and frequently bucks up against this type of pkg mgr. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Can I do a one-time boot to non-default kernel in Lilo?
On March 11, 2012 at 11:16 PM Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote: Not exactly your typical remote machine, but the principle is the same. I have a dedicated HTPC machine next to my 50 plasma, connected by 50 feet of ethernet cable to my computer den. I use the TV as a monitor when running NHL GameCenter Live. I have Lilo set up to dual boot between a production and an experimental kernel. The first (i.e. default) boot option is the production kernel. When I set up a new kernel, I try to always run it as experimental. Even if the kernel panics, I don'tG. I boot back into the production kernel, and try again. Once the experimental kernel has run for a couple of weeks without problems, I copy it over the production kernel. One problem... if I build a new kernel, is there a way to get the remote machine to boot to the non-default experimental kernel just once? Any future boots to default to production (unless its a restart from hibernate). -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org Unless I misunderstand you, after you issue lilo to write to the MBR, then issue: lilo -R experimental where experimental is the name of the kernel image you want to boot. The R creates a one time command which it will use the next time you boot, then it will be erased. And give the kernel an append statement: append=panic=10 so that if the kernel does not boot, you get automatically rebooted back into the good kernel. -- Happy Penguin Computers`) 126 Fenco Drive( \ Tupelo, MS 38801^^ 662-269-2706; 662-491-8613 support at happypenguincomputers dot com http://www.happypenguincomputers.com
