Re: [gentoo-user] Soft scrolling on framebuffer consoles - New version of the patch - with GPM handling.
hanks On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 9:42 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday, 27 January 2023 22:31:17 GMT Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 12:24:41 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > --->8 > > > > I've attached the reject files. > > > > Thanks for these! It looks like it'll probably be straightforward to > > amend the patch for 6.1.8. Are you currently running 6.1.8 as your main > > kernel? > > Yes Alan, I'm running ~amd64, so 6.1.8 is the current kernel. I have > 5.15.88 > as a backup. > > -- > Regards, > Peter. > > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Please help me understand this emerge error message.
Thanks I'm a dam47 year old man that pays wifi an ph.bill David On Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 2:52 PM Dale wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > > Hello, Gentoo. > > > > For the past couple of days, after $ emerge --sync, I've tried > > > > $ emerge -auND @world > > > > .. It has come back very quickly with the error message: > > > > # > > > > !!! The ebuild selected to satisfy ">=net-misc/curl-7.21.5[ssl]" has > unmet requirements. > > - net-misc/curl-8.1.2::gentoo USE="adns ftp gnutls http2 imap pop3 > progress-meter smtp ssl tftp -alt-svc -brotli -gopher -hsts -idn -kerberos > -ldap -mbedtls (-nghttp3) -nss -openssl -rtmp (-rustls) -samba -ssh > (-sslv3) -static-libs -telnet > > -test -verify-sig -websockets -zstd" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" > CURL_SSL="openssl -gnutls -mbedtls -nss (-rustls)" > > > > The following REQUIRED_USE flag constraints are unsatisfied: > > curl_ssl_openssl? ( openssl ) > > > > The above constraints are a subset of the following complete > expression: > > ssl? ( exactly-one-of ( curl_ssl_gnutls curl_ssl_mbedtls > curl_ssl_nss curl_ssl_openssl curl_ssl_rustls ) ) curl_ssl_gnutls? ( gnutls > ) curl_ssl_mbedtls? ( mbedtls ) curl_ssl_nss? ( nss ) curl_ssl_openssl? ( > openssl ) curl_ssl_rustls? ( > > rustls ) > > > > # > > > > .. I don't understand what is meant by "curl_ssl_openssl? ( openssl )" > in > > the above message. I assume it's talking about some USE flag, but which? > > openssl? curl_ssl_openssl? As a matter of interest, I have > > =dev-libs/openssl-3.0.9-r2 installed. > > > > Please help me understand what's happening. > > > > Thanks for the help! > > > > I think I got that a while back. This is what I have for my USE flags > for that package. > > > root@fireball / # equery u net-misc/curl > [ Legend : U - final flag setting for installation] > [: I - package is installed with flag ] > [ Colors : set, unset ] > * Found these USE flags for net-misc/curl-8.0.1: > U I > - - abi_x86_32 : 32-bit (x86) libraries > + + adns : Add support for asynchronous DNS resolution > - - alt-svc : Enable alt-svc support > - - brotli : Enable brotli compression support > - - curl_ssl_gnutls : Use GnuTLS > - - curl_ssl_mbedtls : Use mbed TLS > - - curl_ssl_nss : Use Mozilla's Network Security Services > + + curl_ssl_openssl : Use OpenSSL > + + ftp : Enable FTP support > - - gnutls : Enable gnutls ssl backend > - - gopher : Enable Gopher protocol support > - - hsts : Enable HTTP Strict Transport Security > + + http2: Enable HTTP/2.0 support > - - idn : Enable support for Internationalized Domain Names > + + imap : Enable Internet Message Access Protocol support > - - kerberos : Add kerberos support > - - ldap : Add LDAP support (Lightweight Directory Access > Protocol) > - - mbedtls : Enable mbedtls ssl backend > - - nss : Enable nss ssl backend > + + openssl : Enable openssl ssl backend > + + pop3 : Enable Post Office Protocol 3 support > + + progress-meter : Enable the progress meter > - - rtmp : Enable RTMP Streaming Media support > - - samba: Add support for SAMBA (Windows File and Printer > sharing) > + + smtp : Enable Simple Mail Transfer Protocol support > - - ssh : Enable SSH urls in curl using libssh2 > + + ssl : Enable crypto engine support (via openssl if > USE='-gnutls -nss') > - - static-libs : Build static versions of dynamic libraries as well > - - telnet : Enable Telnet protocol support > - - test : Enable dependencies and/or preparations > necessary to run tests (usually controlled by FEATURES=test but can be > toggled independently) > + + tftp : Enable TFTP support > - - verify-sig : Verify upstream signatures on distfiles > - - websockets : Enable websockets support > - - zstd : Enable zstd compression > root@fireball / # > > > > I think it wants you to enable openssl or one of the other USE flag > options. Since I seem to recall having openssl installed already, I > just picked it. I'd try enabling that and see if the error goes away. > > Hope that helps. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Email clients
David On Mon, Jul 31, 2023, 4:22 PM Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2023-07-31, Kusoneko wrote: > > > > Jul 31, 2023 13:52:25 Grant Edwards : > > > >> On 2023-07-31, Kusoneko wrote: > >>> > Don't get me wrong, I'm "team plaintext" all day every day but I'm not > going to make my life more difficult on principles. There are hills > worth dying on but this isn't mine. > >>> > >>> Iirc, you can setup mutt to open html emails either in a web browser > >>> or with something like w3m. > >> > >> Wait -- those are web engines. I thought the argument was that mutt > >> didn't need a web engine. If that was the case, then you would have no > >> need to set up mutt to use them to display HTML email. > > > > Why would you want a mail client to also be a web browser when you > > already have a web browser to do that job? > > I don't want a mail client that's also a web browser. I want a mail > client that renders HTML. That's only a small small of what a web > browser does. Most of what a web browser does these days is provide an > environment in which to run JavaScript. > > > I will never understand the mindset of trying to include web > > browsers into everything. Web browsers are massive pieces of > > software, including one in everything massively increases the > > compile time and resource usage of the software it's added into. > > That's because they do a lot more than just render HTML. > > >>> There's no need for a web engine in a mail client when you have a > >>> perfectly workable web engine in the browser. > >> > >> Composing HTML also e-mails requires a web-engine. Sure, you can do > >> that using emacs, markdown mode, a web browser for previewing, and so > >> on. It's a lot of work. > > > > I don't get the point of composing HTML emails. Let's be honest > > here, unless you're writing emails as part of a company with > > complicated messes of html signatures or marketing emails, the only > > difference between composing a plain text email and a html email for > > most people is unnoticeable. > > I found that not to be the case for the Outlook users to whom I sent > e-mails. I was unable to figure out how to get mutt to generate > plaintext e-mails that were rendered properly by Outlook (e.g. using a > fixed font, honoring newlines and multiple spaces, etc.) in Outlook. > > It's also difficult to get plaintext e-mails to display in a > reasonable way on both a large screen and a small screen > (i.e. phone). I was not happy seeing what my plaintext, 72 column > e-mails looked like on a small phone screen. > > -- > Grant > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Highlight certain packages being upgraded
Thank u David On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 4:33 AM Dale wrote: > Howdy, > > I was wondering. Is there a way to highlight certain packages that are > about to be upgraded? Example, I like to know when some larger packages > like Firefox, LOo, that excessively long qt package and a couple others > are going to be upgraded. Some that are listed in the world file show > up in a darker green and are easier to see however, some are not. They > are dependencies of another package but I'd like to have them stick out > in the list of packages to be upgraded. I don't recall ever seeing > anyone mention this as a feature of emerge or heard of a way to > configure such a thing either. That said, it could be possible and just > not well known. > > I'd like to be able to have those packages show up as red or something > like that. If it is possible. > > Thoughts? Ever heard of such a thing? > > Dale > > :-) :-) > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Bespoke terminal font
Thank u Dave On Mon, Jun 5, 2023, 11:36 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm still trying to find a terminal font (not an X font) to suit my > deteriorating sight. Every terminal font I've found includes either a dot > in > the centre of the /zero/ character or a diagonal bar across it. Either of > these makes a zero resemble an eight: 0, 8. I often need a magnifying > glass to > see which it is. I suppose it's meant to distinguish a zero from a capital > o: > 0, O, but this can be handled better in moderate to large font sizes such > as I > use, by sloping the shoulders of the zero to resemble those used in the > publishing trade. > > I use DejaVu mono in KDE Plasma, which does not do this and is much easier > to > Read with the plain 0. I'd like to find a terminal font like it. Or is > there a > tool I can use to adjust the Terminus Font I use in my VTs? All the font > editors I've seen are for GUI use. > > There was a half-suitable utility years ago, whose name I've forgotten, > which > might well be suitable if it could handle two-byte characters. > > Is there either a console font like what I've described, or a font editor > that > would allow me to make my own? > > -- > Regards, > Peter. > > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Gcc 13.1 and chromium
Dave On Thu, Apr 27, 2023, 14:52 jul...@jroy.ca wrote: > On Thu, 2023-04-27 at 14:40 -0400, Alan Grimes wrote: > > atg@tortoise ~ $ chromium > > [19039:19057:0427/143338.626886:ERROR:bus.cc(399)] Failed to connect > > to > > the bus: Could not parse server address: Unknown address type > > (examples > > of valid types are "tcp" and on UNIX "unix") > > This seems to be an environment variable issue. > Do you have a value set for DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS? > > Try `dbus-launch chromium` > > -- > Julien >
Re: [gentoo-user] After upgrade no login screen anymore
Dave On Sun, Mar 12, 2023, 11:09 Alexander Puchmayr < alexander.puchm...@linznet.at> wrote: > On Samstag, 11. März 2023, 13:03:41 CET Alexander Puchmayr wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > After having done a world update, neither sddm nor lightdm do start an > > Xserver anymore. The X server itself runs fine, I can start it from the > > console and I after setting DISPLAY properly can even start programs > using > > it, but the login managers do not start X for some reason. > > > > No hint so far in the logs, and no ideas where I should looking. > > > > The system is running inside a virtualbox VM, with Win10 as host > operating > > system. > > > > Its even getting more strange, the very same image copied from the windows > laptop to a linux box and started with kvm/libvirt works fine, but in > windows/ > virtualbox it doesn't. > > Now I have two completely identical systems which only differn in the > hypervisor they're started with, named "virtualbox" and "libvirt". On both > systems, I start lightdm from the command line with -d option, and compare > the > results. > > Intrestingly the "libvirt" system writes "New seat added from logind: > seat0", > the "virtualbox" system does not, which seems to be the relevant > difference > (see log output below) > > Further, I found the following command in another forum: > > Gdbus introspect --system --dest org.freedesktop.login1 --object-path /org/ > freedesktop/login1/seat/seat0 > > And the relevant difference here is in the org.freedesktop.login1.Seat > properties section > > ... > readonly b CanGraphical = false; > ... > > on virtualbox. The same command on "libvirt" machine shows "true" here. > > So, what is required for a login seat to be treated as "graphical"? > > Thanks > Alex > > > [virtualbox] # lightdm -d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Logging to /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Starting Light Display Manager 1.32.0, UID=0 PID=867 > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration dirs from /usr/share/lightdm/ > lightdm.conf.d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration dirs from /usr/local/share/lightdm/ > lightdm.conf.d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration dirs from > /etc/xdg/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Registered seat module local > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Registered seat module xremote > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Using D-Bus name org.freedesktop.DisplayManager > [+0.01s] DEBUG: _g_io_module_get_default: Found default implementation > local > (GLocalVfs) for ?gio-vfs? > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Using cross-namespace EXTERNAL authentication (this will > deadlock if server is GDBus < 2.73.3) > [+0.02s] DEBUG: Monitoring logind for seats > [+0.02s] DEBUG: Acquired bus name org.freedesktop.DisplayManager > [+0.02s] DEBUG: Could not run plymouth --ping: Failed to execute child > process > ?plymouth? (No such file or directory) > [+0.02s] DEBUG: Loading users from org.freedesktop.Accounts > [+0.02s] DEBUG: User /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User2001 added > [+0.02s] DEBUG: User /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User1001 added > [+0.09s] DEBUG: User /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User2002 added > ...waiting for ctrl-C and no login screen ... > > [libvirt] # lightdm -d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Logging to /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Starting Light Display Manager 1.32.0, UID=0 PID=793 > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration dirs from /usr/share/lightdm/ > lightdm.conf.d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration dirs from /usr/local/share/lightdm/ > lightdm.conf.d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration dirs from > /etc/xdg/lightdm/lightdm.conf.d > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Loading configuration from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Registered seat module local > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Registered seat module xremote > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Using D-Bus name org.freedesktop.DisplayManager > [+0.00s] DEBUG: Using cross-namespace EXTERNAL authentication (this will > deadlock if server is GDBus < 2.73.3) > [+0.00s] DEBUG: _g_io_module_get_default: Found default implementation > local > (GLocalVfs) for ?gio-vfs? > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Monitoring logind for seats > [+0.01s] DEBUG: New seat added from logind: seat0 > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Loading properties from config section Seat:* > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Seat seat0 has property CanMultiSession=no > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Starting > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Creating greeter session > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Creating display server of type x > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Could not run plymouth --ping: Failed to execute child > process > ?plymouth? (No such file or directory) > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Using VT 7 > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Seat seat0: Starting local X display on VT 7 > [+0.01s] DEBUG: XServer 0: Logging to /var/log/lightdm/x-0.log > [+0.01s] DEBUG: XServer 0: Writing X server authority to /var/run/lightdm/ > root/:0 > [+0.01s] DEBUG: XServer 0: Launching X Server > [+0.01s] DEBUG: Launching process 799: /usr/bin/X :0 -seat seat0 -auth > /var/ > run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it OK to get rid of app-alternatives/* ?
Thanks Dave On Sun, Feb 19, 2023, 05:31 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 23:09:54 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote: > > > > It's bad enough depclean deleting the active kernel if you don't > > > watch out, without something deciding to install a non-existent > > > kernel and deleting the live one :-) > > > > I have my own hand-coded script that runs "emerge --pretend > > --depclean" and tweaks/filters the output into another script called > > "cleanscript". I've set it to filter out "gentoo-sources". I then > > inspect "cleanscript" before running it. And, oh yeah, depclean wants > > to remove nano. I had to "emerge -n nano" to protect it. > > You can add kernel sources to a set so they are never depcleaned > > % cat sets.conf > [kernels] > class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet > world-candidate = False > files = /usr/src > > Then emerge -n @kernels > > I do the same with gcc so I can keep the previous version > > [gcc] > class = portage.sets.dbapi.OwnerSet > world-candidate = False > files = /usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > For security reasons, all text in this mail > is double-rot13 encrypted. >
Re: [gentoo-user] nextcloud or owncloud and qt5 or rclone
Dave On Thu, Jan 26, 2023, 17:51 Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 22:18:44 +0100, hitachi303 wrote: > > > so until now I am running my box without qt5. Compiling takes so long. > > > > But I am missing a client for owncloud or nextcloud. So I see > > nextcloud-cliend does not run without qt5. It does not need webengine > > but still. So I see as alternativ there is rclone. From the size of the > > download it seems to be even bigger. > > The download size isn't really relevant, it's the amount of dependencies. > rclone uses Go AFAIR, so that's a lot less to build than Qt5. > > > Does anyone have experience with rclone? > > I use it regularly, although not with NextCloud (I use the Qt client for > that as I run KDE). It's basically rsync for cloud providers and should > work well with NextCloud, although you won't get the automatic syncing of > changes that you get with the client > > > -- > Neil Bothwick > > If it isn't broken, I can fix it. >
Re: [gentoo-user] Is it OK to get rid of app-alternatives/* ?
Dave On Tue, Feb 14, 2023, 20:47 Walter Dnes wrote: > A whole bunch of busy-work for emerge, and nothing in the news item > indicates it's really necessary for the average user. Howsabout... > > * manually zapping with "rm -rf /var/db/repos/gentoo/app-alternatives" > * and then include "app-alternatives" in the file pointed to by > PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS="--exclude-from=" > > Am I missing something obvious that would cause problems? > > -- > I've seen things, you people wouldn't believe; Gopher, Netscape with > frames, the first Browser Wars. Searching for pages with AltaVista, > pop-up windows self-replicating, trying to uninstall RealPlayer. All > those moments, will be lost in time like tears in rain... time to die. > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
Dave On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 18:20 Dale wrote: > Grant Taylor wrote: > > On 1/18/23 8:07 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > >> You can also request redelivery of messages based on the internal > >> numbers if you follow the help advice in all list message headers. > > > > The problem is that if the message is rejected because of filtering > > the first time around, there's a very good chance that it will also be > > filtered on subsequent re-delivery requests. > > > > > > > > > I might add, in the past I followed the instructions to get bounced > messages, I've never once had it work. I don't get a error or anything > either, like I do if I do something wrong doing something else. > > Just a FYI. > > Dale > > :-) :-) > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Portage wrongly blocking an update
Thanks Dave On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 04:53 Peter Humphrey wrote: > Hello list, > > Today's update of my LAN server failed to resolve a block. It said it > couldn't > emerge net-proxy/squid-5.7 because of: > > [blocks B ] net-proxy/squid-5.7) > [,,,] > (net-proxy/squid-5.7:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) pulled in by > net-proxy/squid required by @apps > > That's all I got. No sign of what required where > the < had come from. > > The apps set does not specify a version, and no other package depends on > squid, so I removed it with emerge -C, then restarted the update, which > ran to > completion. > > It seems to me that portage should have been able to do the same, and > upgrade > squid smoothly. > > -- > Regards, > Peter. > > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Bouncing messages
Send again David On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 19:50 Jigme Datse wrote: > On Sat, 14 Jan 2023 10:25:27 + > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Saturday, 14 January 2023 07:00:29 GMT Nuno Silva wrote: > > > On 2023-01-13, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > > Hello list, > > > > > > > > Ever since the new year I've been getting a bounce message from > > > > this list > > > > - 19 of them so far. The first of those listed one message twice, > > > > most of the others six times. The message was 200359. > > > > > > > > I don't know what that message was, but why is the system Out > > > > There > > having > > > > such a hard time with it? > > > > > > Was the message from the list software or from a Microsoft system? > > > > I don't know - I haven't received it as far as I know. The only > > archive entries I've found are of this conversation. > > This seems like it might be a problem. A lot of the time when I get > "weird bounces" for messages for a mailing list, it isn't the list, but > somewhere down the line, which is bouncing because they either aren't > properly handling mailing lists, or something else (like in this > example given, failing to properly handle forwarding "bouncing onward" > sort of as the PINE parlance was used) list messages. > > > > There's possibly one subscriber that has configured their > > > Exchange/Outlook account to forward e-mails to a Gmail account, and > > > forwarding as implemented by Microsoft apparently isn't done > > > correctly and so "SPF" checks run by Gmail are failing. > > > > Hmm. Would that cause the message to me to fail, in particular? > > The message *to* you? I don't think so. Or it might be someone > sending from a server which somehow throws something into the header > that causes it to be bounced that the list manager doesn't properly > deal with? > > > > I tried to send a message to this list about this topic back in > > > November but it never made through, perhaps it was filtered because > > > it quoted some of the error messages. > > > > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] No New Image 15th January 2023?
Dave On Sun, Jan 15, 2023, 21:00 Luna Jernberg wrote: > Hey! > > Did the ISO builds not go as planned last week? > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Thunderbird build failure ..
Thanks bud Dave On Sun, Jan 1, 2023, 4:22 PM cal wrote: > On 1/1/23 13:05, Wol wrote: > > On 01/01/2023 20:08, cal wrote: > >> FWIW, Thunderbird builds fine with GCC on my machine -- I'm unsure of > >> your reasons for setting your Portage compiler to clang, but you may > >> wish to use a package.env override to build Thunderbird with GCC as a > >> workaround until the problem can be fixed upstream. > > > > I don't know anything about clang ... it must be the default ... > > > > I thought part of Firefox/Thunderbird was written in Rust, so I assumed > > it was built with llvm as a matter of course. > > > > I'll just wait for it to sort itself out. > > > > Cheers, > > Wol > You're right, it looks like the Thunderbird ebuild has a clang USE > turned on by default; I didn't realize that in my earlier reply and > assumed you had overridden this yourself. Regardless, this version > built correctly on my machine, so it's worthy of investigation with > upstream which combinations of parameters may be triggering the crash. > > cal > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Soft scrolling on framebuffer consoles - New version of the patch - with GPM handling.
Thanks Dave On Sat, Dec 31, 2022, 11:13 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hello again, Peter. > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 15:47:01 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > Hello Alan, > > On Saturday, 31 December 2022 14:08:43 GMT you wrote: > > > > What I'm thinking here is that you might be installing a font which is > > > bigger than the 8x16 standard that you appear to be booting with. To > > > check this, would you please do: > > > > # file /lib/rc/console/font > > > > , which should return a message like: > > > > /lib/rc/console/font: Linux/i386 PC Screen Font v1 data, 256 > characters, > > > Unicode directory, 8x16 > > > > What is the size of this font, here (where it says 8x16 for my font)? > > > The reason I ask is, I've got a horrible suspicion that one of the C > > > functions which copies screen data when the screen size is changed can > > > only copy to a same sized or (possibly) _bigger_ screen (i.e. with a > > > smaller font). If this is indeed the case, it might explain why you're > > > seeing a hang, here. > > > I think you've put your finger on it: > > > $ file /lib/rc/console/font > > /lib/rc/console/font: Linux/i386 PC Screen Font v2 data, 256 characters, > > Unicode directory, 22x11 > > > I use consolefont="ter-122n" from the terminus-font package. It's a long > time > > since I was able to read a high-resolution screen in its native > resolution. > > > Is there some way I can get the UEFI BIOS to boot with that font, or a > larger > > one? Or perhaps let the system boot without setting a font and then > changing > > it later? > > Probably, but it would be better if I just fixed the bug(s) in my changes > to > the kernel. Changing font size is something one should be able to do. > > > Neither of those looks easy to do. I'd better have a good root through > the > > BIOS options to start with. > > A happy new year to you (and everybody else here), and give me somewhere > between a few hours and a few days, and this bug should get fixed. > > Again, thanks for such effective testing! > > > -- > > Regards, > > Peter. > > -- > Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Looking for simple GUI MUA that works with ssmtp
Dave On Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 9:06 PM Jack wrote: > On 12/26/22 20:43, Walter Dnes wrote: > >mutt has served me well over the years, but thanks to *BRAINDEAD > > CORPORATE IDIOTS* I need a GUI client to parse 100 K of HTML that > > replaces 1 page of text. These aren't just plain spammers, but > > businesses that I deal with regularly. It seems that plaintext email is > > going the way of cursive writing. Any suggestions for an MUA that can > > spit out rmail to port 25? > > Can't mutt open an html message or attachment in a browser? > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Major problems with libpcre / UTF8
Fix this Dave On Mon, Dec 26, 2022, 3:00 AM David Rosenbaum wrote: > > > Dave > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 4:01 PM ralfconn wrote: > >> On 12/15/22 21:52, Walter Dnes wrote: >> >I just finished solving my babl problems, but more stuff shows up in >> > libpcre. First, here are my USE flags. I don't see "utf8" anywhere. >> > >> > Calculating dependencies... done! >> > [ebuild R] dev-libs/libpcre-8.45-r1:3::gentoo USE="bzip2 cxx >> jit readline (split-usr) (unicode) zlib -libedit -pcre16 -pcre32 >> -static-libs" 0 KiB >> > >> >Can someone give me their output from "emerge -pv1 dev-libs/libpcre" >> > >> > mc (Midnight Commander) spews out a lot of... >> > >> > (mc:5796): GLib-CRITICAL **: 15:19:15.617: PCRE library is compiled >> without UTF8 support >> > >> >Application windows have every second character missing in the >> window >> > title; e.g. "xterm" shows as "xem". I have a spreasheet that tracks my >> > Presto card usage. The title has gone from "presto.gnumeric-Gnumeric" >> to >> > "pet.nmrc-Guei'. Various PCRE-based searches fail in vaious apps. >> HELP! >> >> >> # emerge -pv1 dev-libs/libpcre >> >> These are the packages that would be merged, in order: >> >> Calculating dependencies... done! >> [ebuild R] dev-libs/libpcre-8.45-r1:3::gentoo USE="bzip2 cxx jit >> readline (split-usr) (unicode) zlib -libedit -pcre16 -pcre32 >> -static-libs" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 1,542 KiB >> >> # cat /etc/locale.gen >> en_US ISO-8859-1 >> en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 >> it_IT ISO-8859-1 >> it_IT.UTF-8 UTF-8 >> >> >>
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Need link Dave On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 1:52 AM Dale wrote: > Wols Lists wrote: > > On 18/12/2022 22:11, Dale wrote: > >> Wol wrote: > >>> On 18/12/2022 18:59, Dale wrote: > Since this is local, I just use rsync to do my backups. I did have to > change the options a bit. It seems TrueNAS doesn't like some of the > permissions or something. > >>> > >>> Are you running the rsync daemon on the NAS? I'm probably teaching > >>> grandma to suck eggs, but that massively reduces the need for network > >>> traffic. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Wol > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> I mount the NAS on my Gentoo rig. I mount it under /mnt. Then I run > >> rsync and copy from the source to the mount point for the NAS. I may > >> could go the other way but never thought about doing it that way. Kinda > >> sounds backwards to me but I dunno. ;-) > >> > > Sounds to me like you're doing it all wrong either way ... > > > > What is *supposed* to happen is that you have the daemon running on > > one machine and the client on the other - doesn't matter which. > > > > Then the client tells the daemon what files are to be copied, THE TWO > > COMPARE CHECKSUMS, and only the stuff that fails the checksum is > > copied. So if you're doing an incremental backup, network usage and > > writes are kept to a minimum. > > > > I tell people to an in-place backup if they're running on a snapshot > > setup, because again it only writes stuff that has actually changed. > > > > Cheers, > > Wol > > > > > > > Do you have a link to the proper way to do it? I don't copy to a > different machine often so my current method may be the problem. Maybe > the way you mention will work much better, even a little better would be > nice. ;-) > > Dale > > :-) :-) > >
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Dave On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 2:54 PM Wol wrote: > On 18/12/2022 18:59, Dale wrote: > > Since this is local, I just use rsync to do my backups. I did have to > > change the options a bit. It seems TrueNAS doesn't like some of the > > permissions or something. > > Are you running the rsync daemon on the NAS? I'm probably teaching > grandma to suck eggs, but that massively reduces the need for network > traffic. > > Cheers, > Wol > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Major problems with libpcre / UTF8
Dave On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 4:01 PM ralfconn wrote: > On 12/15/22 21:52, Walter Dnes wrote: > >I just finished solving my babl problems, but more stuff shows up in > > libpcre. First, here are my USE flags. I don't see "utf8" anywhere. > > > > Calculating dependencies... done! > > [ebuild R] dev-libs/libpcre-8.45-r1:3::gentoo USE="bzip2 cxx > jit readline (split-usr) (unicode) zlib -libedit -pcre16 -pcre32 > -static-libs" 0 KiB > > > >Can someone give me their output from "emerge -pv1 dev-libs/libpcre" > > > > mc (Midnight Commander) spews out a lot of... > > > > (mc:5796): GLib-CRITICAL **: 15:19:15.617: PCRE library is compiled > without UTF8 support > > > >Application windows have every second character missing in the window > > title; e.g. "xterm" shows as "xem". I have a spreasheet that tracks my > > Presto card usage. The title has gone from "presto.gnumeric-Gnumeric" > to > > "pet.nmrc-Guei'. Various PCRE-based searches fail in vaious apps. > HELP! > > > # emerge -pv1 dev-libs/libpcre > > These are the packages that would be merged, in order: > > Calculating dependencies... done! > [ebuild R] dev-libs/libpcre-8.45-r1:3::gentoo USE="bzip2 cxx jit > readline (split-usr) (unicode) zlib -libedit -pcre16 -pcre32 > -static-libs" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 1,542 KiB > > # cat /etc/locale.gen > en_US ISO-8859-1 > en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 > it_IT ISO-8859-1 > it_IT.UTF-8 UTF-8 > > >
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Dave On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 11:42 AM Dale wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dale wrote: > > > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM Dale wrote: > > > > > I > > > wonder, could one install the LVM stuff and use that? That would be > > > interesting. I wonder if there is a NAS software that uses LVM > > > instead. Interesting thought. I just may go bug google on that one. > o_O > > > > Maybe I'm missing the point but why would you want LVM on a > > storage pool? If I'm doing backups I just want space. I let TrueNas > > put it on disk and give it back if asked. Why put another layer > > of indirection? > > > > If you're intending to use it as simple NAS - i.e. - the only copy > > of some data on your network - then possibly LVM might > > be interesting, but then you need a second TrueNAS box > > to back that up. NAS as a mountable data location is > > different than NAS doing backups which is what I thought > > this thread was about. What am I not remembering? > > > > - Mark > > > > > > It's more about me being more used to using LVM. Also, more used to > Linux as well. BSD is not something I have much experience with and until > recently, none with ZFS. Even the little experience I have with BSD was > well over a decade ago, maybe two decades ago. I barely remember it really. > > > > By replacing ZFS with LVM, I'm working with something I'm familiar with > and less likely to mess up things. Things get messed up enough without > adding more confusion. ;-) > > > > Dale > > > > :-) :-) > > Hummm...I don't know Dale, I don't know... ZFS is a file system. > LVM is an abstraction on top (or underneath?) of a file system. > My understanding of LVM is that it frees you from hard decisions > on partition sizes, not that it replaces ZFS or ext3/4/5. > > > That is true. Thing is, I've learned how to manage LVM even with > encrypted data. I've also learned how to expand storage without losing > data or getting confused about what I'm doing. To me, using LVM is pretty > easy given the notes I have for the tasks I do most often. > > > You may or may not know this but TrueNAS is available as a > Linux version: > > https://www.truenas.com/blog/first-release-of-truenas-on-linux/ > > I don't recommend it. It's new. Let someone else figure it out. However > it might be more to your liking, and because it's Linux you'd be more > comfortable messing it up. ;0- > > WRT you I recommend that you try living in NGL for a while. Possibly > you are just a bit too indoctrinated in the religion of building packages > 30-50 times a year believing (without hard data) that it provides value. > Instead you might just consider relaxing and letting the system > take care of itself. In the last year I've only updated my TrueNAS box > twice that I can remember. > > On the other hand if system tweaking is what brings you joy then > Que Sera Sera . > > Good luck, > Mark > > > > It's not that I want to compile things, it's that I want to use things I'm > already really familiar with. If I bought a Raspberry Pi and built a NAS > with it, I don't care if I compile the software on it or not as long as it > has the software I need or I can install what I need. From what I've read, > compiling on a Raspberry isn't much fun. It's very time consuming. Having > a OS, binary one at that, that is Linux based is a big plus. I can run > LVM, cryptsetup and such in likely every Linux distro out there and get the > same result as on my Gentoo box. Switching to BSD, using ZFS, means I have > to learn a whole new set of tools and methods. I had enough fun learning > LVM and I don't think LVM is going to die anytime soon. It should be > around for the foreseeable future. As it is, even now, I still don't get > how ZFS works. I just followed a guide to get it working, sort of. It's > still not encrypted. Figuring that out is next. That should be fun. > > My network card is out for delivery. A few days late but better than > never I guess. I'll see if the drivers needed for it are available as > modules or not. I suspect they are tho based on info in this thread. > > Dale > > :-) :-) >
Re: [gentoo-user] Gaming on gentoo
Dave On Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 12:18 AM Alan Ianson wrote: > Hello list, > > I am a gentoo newbie. I have installed gentoo about a month ago and have > been busy since in my free time getting it up and running. > > I have a problem with quakespasm, it segfaults on startup.. this is what I > get.. > > alan@irondust:/usr/share/games/quake$ quakespasm > Command line: quakespasm > Found SDL version 2.24.2 > Detected 2 CPUs. > Initializing QuakeSpasm v0.95.1 > Host_Init > Playing registered version. > Console initialized. > UDP Initialized > Server using protocol 666 (FitzQuake) > Exe: 20:46:02 Dec 12 2022 > 256.0 megabyte heap > Video mode 1920x1080x24 60Hz (24-bit z-buffer, 0x FSAA) initialized > GL_VENDOR: NVIDIA Corporation > GL_RENDERER: GeForce GT 610/PCIe/SSE2 > GL_VERSION: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 390.157 > FOUND: ARB_vertex_buffer_object > FOUND: ARB_multitexture > GL_MAX_TEXTURE_UNITS: 4 > FOUND: ARB_texture_env_combine > FOUND: ARB_texture_env_add > FOUND: SDL_GL_SetSwapInterval > FOUND: EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic > FOUND: ARB_texture_non_power_of_two > FOUND: GLSL > FOUND: glGenerateMipmap > > Sound Initialization > Segmentation fault > alan@irondust:/usr/share/games/quake$ > > I get the above with version 0.95.1 (installed from guru using the git > version) and from 0.94.1 also from guru. > > I am not sure why it segfaults or what I can do about that. I have built > it with sdl and sdl2 and I get the same result. > > I have run quakespasm on other distributions like debian, archlinux and > slackware without issues so there may be something different about gentoo > that I need to know about. > > Any thoughts or ideas about how to get this working would be appreciated. > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Gaming on gentoo
Thank u Dave On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 8:18 PM Alan Ianson wrote: > On Thu, 15 Dec 2022 19:06:07 + > Laurence Perkins wrote: > > > Note that some programs will dynamically load libraries at runtime, in > addition to being linked against them at build time. These don’t > necessarily show up in ldd. (Qt is horrible about this) Enabling core dumps > or running under a debugger might shed some light on what’s going on. If > that doesn’t work easily then check the project documentation to see if > they have a special debugging workflow. Some game engines require a very > specific debugging setup for the output to make any sense. > > One thing I notice that is different about Artur's setup and mine is that > pulseaudio doesn't show up in his ldd output. > > I am just configuring a desktop without pulseaudio and see if that works > any better. I think pulseaudio is worthwhile but I'll try without it and > see how it goes. > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Docker installation issues
Thank u Dave On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 3:51 PM Mansour Al Akeel wrote: > Andreas, > > Thank you very much. In fact I didn't go that deep yet, and not sure if I > should. I just found that the url is not accessible even from a browser. > Googling a bit, tells me there is no clear URL for docker-registry and > possibly this one is outdated. I will continue looking around to confirm > what the current default repo should be. If you have any suggestions, > please let me know. > > > localhost in ~ > ○ → curl -k -v https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/ > * Trying 34.228.211.243:443... > > * connect to 34.228.211.243 port 443 failed: Connection timed out > * Failed to connect to registry-1.docker.io port 443 after 129401 ms: > Couldn't connect to server > * Closing connection 0 > curl: (28) Failed to connect to registry-1.docker.io port 443 after > 129401 ms: Couldn't connect to server > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 1:32 PM Andreas Fink wrote: > >> On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 12:30:40 -0500 >> Mansour Al Akeel wrote: >> >> > I am using Openrc >> > >> > This was my initial /etc/conf.d/docker >> > DOCKER_OPTS="--storage-driver overlay2 --data-root /srv/var/lib/docker" >> > >> > when I try: >> > >> > $ docker pull hello-world >> > >> > Error response from daemon: Get "https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/": >> > net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout >> > exceeded while awaiting headers) >> > >> > Trying to troubleshoot: >> > >> > localhost /home/mansour # tail -n 20 /var/log/docker.log >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.473550705-05:00" level=info msg="scheme >> \"unix\" >> > not registered, fallback to default scheme" module=grpc >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.473566413-05:00" level=info >> > msg="ccResolverWrapper: sending update to cc: >> > {[{unix:///run/containerd/containerd.sock 0 }] }" >> > module=grpc >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.473573787-05:00" level=info msg="ClientConn >> > switching balancer to \"pick_first\"" module=grpc >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.474530993-05:00" level=info msg="parsed >> scheme: >> > \"unix\"" module=grpc >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.474545549-05:00" level=info msg="scheme >> \"unix\" >> > not registered, fallback to default scheme" module=grpc >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.474563752-05:00" level=info >> > msg="ccResolverWrapper: sending update to cc: >> > {[{unix:///run/containerd/containerd.sock 0 }] }" >> > module=grpc >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.474571186-05:00" level=info msg="ClientConn >> > switching balancer to \"pick_first\"" module=grpc >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.478908716-05:00" level=warning msg="Your >> kernel >> > does not support cgroup blkio weight" >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.478927115-05:00" level=warning msg="Your >> kernel >> > does not support cgroup blkio weight_device" >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.479037897-05:00" level=info msg="Loading >> > containers: start." >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.495743563-05:00" level=info msg="failed to >> read >> > ipv6 net.ipv6.conf..accept_ra" bridge=docker0 >> > syspath=/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/docker0/accept_ra >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.518761943-05:00" level=info msg="Default >> bridge >> > (docker0) is assigned with an IP address 172.17.0.0/16. Daemon option >> --bip >> > can be used to set a preferred IP address" >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.518886881-05:00" level=info msg="failed to >> read >> > ipv6 net.ipv6.conf..accept_ra" bridge=docker0 >> > syspath=/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/docker0/accept_ra >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.534616741-05:00" level=info msg="Loading >> > containers: done." >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.541080189-05:00" level=info msg="Docker >> daemon" >> > commit=a89b84221c graphdriver(s)=overlay2 version=20.10.17 >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.541122352-05:00" level=info msg="Daemon has >> > completed initialization" >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:03.549888103-05:00" level=info msg="API listen on >> > /var/run/docker.sock" >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:27.025622231-05:00" level=warning msg="Error >> getting >> > v2 registry: Get \"https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/\": net/http: >> request >> > canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while >> > awaiting headers)" >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:27.025667054-05:00" level=info msg="Attempting >> next >> > endpoint for pull after error: Get \"https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/\ >> ": >> > net/http: request canceled while waiting for connection (Client.Timeout >> > exceeded while awaiting headers)" >> > time="2022-12-10T12:17:27.026851821-05:00" level=error msg="Handler for >> > POST /v1.41/images/create returned error: Get \" >> > https://registry-1.docker.io/v2/\": net/http: request canceled while >> > waiting for connection (Client.Timeout exceeded while awaiting headers)" >> > >> > time="2022-12-10T12:15:42.036053086-05:00" level=info msg="loading >> plugin >> > \"io.containerd.internal.v1.tracing\"..." type=io.containerd.internal.v1 >> > time="2022-12-10T12:15:42.036068412-05:00"
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Thanks Dave On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 11:19 AM Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > Am Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 09:20:17AM + schrieb Wols Lists: > > > > > Depending on the PVR make/model I've seen 1080p resolution > recordings with > > > > .m2ts and .ts file extensions, while the codecs inside them are the > same. > -^^^ > > > > > I wasn’t aware that ts could contain h264. But then again—I never > really > -^^^ > > > bothered with live TV recordings in recent years. > > > I think this is confusing CONTAINER and CODEC. > > Where do we confuse those two? We specifically talked of codecs and > “contain”. > > > .ts is a container format, h264 is a codec. I don't understand it myself, > > either but think of ts as your directory structure and h264 as your file > > structure. > > Now you are confusing me. You say you don’t understand it, but then explain > it. TS is like AVI and MKV: a file structure for the payload data. And > payload data can be all kinds of stuff, from ASS plaintext subtitles, over > opus audio to mpeg2 or h264 video. > > > Incidentally, sticking this stuff in a .tar is probably okay - that's > just > > another container, but sticking it in a .tar.gz is not, the gz is your > codec > > and will make the file BIGGER in all probability. > > Tar does not compress, it simply puts all inputs in a 1:1 stream. It does > add some metadata (filename and so on). Packers reduce data volume by > increasing information-per-byte. So if the total information stays the same > (for lossless coding), the number of bytes decreases. Encoded video data > ideally has even entropy. It is indistinguishable from random noise. That’s > why compressing it again does not yield anything, or even adds some volume > again. > > -- > Grüße | Greetings | Salut | Qapla’ > Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. > > “Mankind must put an end to war or war will put an end to mankind.” > – John F. Kennedy >
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Can I get sum help with privacy an control of my ph. David On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 9:49 PM David Rosenbaum wrote: > Tanks > > Dave > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 9:46 PM David Rosenbaum > wrote: > >> >> >> Dave >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:28 PM Mark Knecht wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 1:42 PM Dale wrote: >>> >>> > It does appear that several people are making it so NAS boxes can be >>> > easily built by us nerdy types and not be huge. Things are a bit >>> > interesting right now for hardware and such. Some parts are expensive, >>> > hard to find or just plain unavailable. Still, I suspect that this >>> will >>> > get better later on. The good thing, people are working on this. There >>> > is interest in having a option. >>> > >>> >>> I know I've said this before but yes, people are working on it and it >>> is buildable by people like us. >>> >>> https://www.truenas.com/truenas-core/ >>> >>> Any old x64 PC and a few disks will get you up and running. It's >>> open source as much as BSD is open source. It's not Linux >>> so there was a little learning to do but it wasn't bad. >>> >>> Mine has a small SSD as the boot drive and then RAID1 pairs >>> running OpenZFS for storage. It's inexpensive if you have an >>> old computer to build on. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> Mark >>> >>
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Tanks Dave On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 9:46 PM David Rosenbaum wrote: > > > Dave > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:28 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 1:42 PM Dale wrote: >> >> > It does appear that several people are making it so NAS boxes can be >> > easily built by us nerdy types and not be huge. Things are a bit >> > interesting right now for hardware and such. Some parts are expensive, >> > hard to find or just plain unavailable. Still, I suspect that this will >> > get better later on. The good thing, people are working on this. There >> > is interest in having a option. >> > >> >> I know I've said this before but yes, people are working on it and it >> is buildable by people like us. >> >> https://www.truenas.com/truenas-core/ >> >> Any old x64 PC and a few disks will get you up and running. It's >> open source as much as BSD is open source. It's not Linux >> so there was a little learning to do but it wasn't bad. >> >> Mine has a small SSD as the boot drive and then RAID1 pairs >> running OpenZFS for storage. It's inexpensive if you have an >> old computer to build on. >> >> Good luck, >> Mark >> >
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Dave On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 4:28 PM Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 1:42 PM Dale wrote: > > > It does appear that several people are making it so NAS boxes can be > > easily built by us nerdy types and not be huge. Things are a bit > > interesting right now for hardware and such. Some parts are expensive, > > hard to find or just plain unavailable. Still, I suspect that this will > > get better later on. The good thing, people are working on this. There > > is interest in having a option. > > > > I know I've said this before but yes, people are working on it and it > is buildable by people like us. > > https://www.truenas.com/truenas-core/ > > Any old x64 PC and a few disks will get you up and running. It's > open source as much as BSD is open source. It's not Linux > so there was a little learning to do but it wasn't bad. > > Mine has a small SSD as the boot drive and then RAID1 pairs > running OpenZFS for storage. It's inexpensive if you have an > old computer to build on. > > Good luck, > Mark >
Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives
Someone has hacked my ph.im 44 years old an pay for every thing.house car an wifi Dave On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 12:28 PM Michael wrote: > On Saturday, 10 December 2022 16:30:03 GMT Wols Lists wrote: > > On 10/12/2022 16:19, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > > Where do we confuse those two? We specifically talked of codecs and > > > “contain”. > > > > "I didn't know .ts could contain h264". > > > > If .ts is the container, then surely the assumption is it can contain > > any codec? If not, why not? > > Not any codec. Some container formats are only compatible with certain > codecs, or rather the other way around. Have a look here: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_container_formats > > I suppose the answer to 'why not' boils down to the whatever structure and > data the container format is designed to be compatible with, but I don't > know > more than this. > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Informatik-Containerformate-Beispiele.svg > >