Re: [gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat
First of all I'd like to thank you for your feedback. We had a Userrel/Userreps meeting last Saturday and had a vote about the issue. It resulted in instating Alex Bogak aka djay-il as the eleventh and last User Representative. This motion passed unanimously and Alex accepted the position with immediate effect. It was a pragmatic decision for the good of the project and I do hope that you all understand this. But I think we need to work out a new voting procedure and rules that settle such issues anyways. The ones that are in place right now, where worked out when the whole project was rather unclear and it would make sense to rethink them now that the project has come to life. Best regards, loki99 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat
On 12/2/06, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only concern is that if this process gets abused, a majority of userreps could expel a minority and handpick their replacements to match their own ideas... but then again, this isn't a money / power controlling seat, so I counter myself with would that really ever happen? and so what if it did?! I see that on http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/userreps/index.xml members are elected each year? In which case I think my above concern would be even less a reality, as ousted members could raise support for the next election anyway. However, perhaps you should have a short policy for election and replacement of members, so that if you ever are questioned, at least you can say We did it by the book. We as Userreps can only get rid of one of us if that person breaches the social contact that can be read on our project site, And if we would dismiss someone we would declare ourself quite thoroughly to the community and to Userrel too. But as Bo mentioned in the post above, it was Userrels decision. Antarus promised to post an announcement to this ML today. Building up a team with people that hardly know each other is not an easy task. It took us quite some time to get to know each other and to find a way to work somehow efficiently together. We are different to any other project in Gentoo land because we did not pick our team by ourself, but let others, you the user community, choose our team. That's the way it has to be of course but it's a handicap, nevertheless. But keeping variety is essential, especially for gentoo. I doubt adding one unknown member to the team will throw you all back to the days when you didn't know each other. That one new member will more quickly get to know the group (and vice versa) than the time a whole new group would take. So perhaps the next on the list is a good idea? You are right about that. But keeping in mind that this might not be the only loss to our group in the next year (some of the userreps have not been too active, ie.) and if we have to keep on picking up people that haven't shown any interest in the project so far, it will slow us down. I think it would be fair to let us choose any substitute within the term, because a year really passes by fast and all of us will be judged on our work at the next election anyhow. However, it seems like djay-il deserves a bit of recognition for his efforts, and placing him in the position would do that. So, I've said both yes and no! In the end, I guess the decision is up to the team what method they choose. Thanks, for your opinion. :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat
Small correction: antarus said he'll mail to userrel-ML about it. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat
As you might have noticed or heard, cokehabit isn't part of the Userreps project any longer. He and Userel obviously didn't get along very well and there has been some troubles on IRC and on bugzilla, which I didn't get a chance to see though. But I talked shortly with cokehabit about it and he didn't object to leave the project, so we have a vacant Userreps seat atm. Since this is the first time that one of us left, we have to find a rule on how we are to restaff that vacant seat. Impov, there are three different options that we have. We could either go thru the whole voting process again, which seem to be quite some work and would definitely need some time or we could simply ask the ones that where next on the list from the initial vote, to see if they are still interested in doing the job or we let the appointed Userreps decide who they want to have in their team to work with. Even though the voting idea seems to be the logical thing to do, at least to me when I thought about it first, it's the option I really don't want to have and almost everyone from Userreps/Userrel agrees on this point. It would just take to much time and effort, since we don't want the mistakes of the first vote be repeated, like having better announcements and getting the whole user community not just forum peeps to vote. Picking the next one on the list that shows interest, is an option that doesn't take much time and seems to be fair since they have proven to have the support in the user community at the first vote. The third option is to let us Userreps pick someone we know and that has shown interest in our project. And plainly spoken, this is the option I favor the most, as does the rest of Userreps and Userrel. Here is why: Building up a team with people that hardly know each other is not an easy task. It took us quite some time to get to know each other and to find a way to work somehow efficiently together. We are different to any other project in Gentoo land because we did not pick our team by ourself, but let others, you the user community, choose our team. That's the way it has to be of course but it's a handicap, nevertheless. Since the whole project was started there has only been one user, who also ran for Userreps btw, that followed our moves very closely. He is in our channel (#gentoo-userreps) almost all the time, he takes part in all our and userrel meetings, he is well known and respected in the devs community, he made lots of useful suggestion and took the time to write various concepts for his ideas, all of us Userreps value him and his opinion quite high and we get along with him very well. After the 11th seat got vacant, there wasn't really any discussion about it since it was obvious that we all wanted to have [url=http://forums.gentoo.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofileu=105924]djay[/url] (aka djay-il [irc] aka Alex Bogak [rl]) as our new team member. Most of the devs believed that he was a Userrep anyways because he showed up at all the meetings and actively took part in all the discussions. :lol: And Userrel also seems to strongly agree with this idea. So I am here to ask your support to make djay our 11th member on the next Userreps/Userrel meeting this Saturday. He knows his way around and we know him quite well and he would fit just perfect in our team. If you want us to move on, to do the things we were voted for as fast as possible, please show us your support by dropping a few lines. If you think that this is not ok, please drop us a few lines to explain why. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat
mmmh whats the problem brullonulla? you can speak to me :% On 12/1/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WTF? It seems an hybrid between a spam mail and an old fashoned Warsaw Pact speech. But I have guessed it has something to do with gentoo... Can someone please translate it? Thanks, m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat
perhaps that helps ;) http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/userreps/index.xml -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Restaffing the 11th Userrep seat
No problem! I know I'm not that good at writing such things and I just copied the text from my forums post where it is a little bit more in context with my userreps title showing and all. I was a bit in a hurry. Sorry about that! ;) loki99 On 12/1/06, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Georg Witwer ha scritto: perhaps that helps ;) http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/userrel/userreps/index.xml Yes, it helped. :) Sorry, but I am not that much into gentoo gossip :) , so I really lost that one. The funny style made the rest. Thanks. m. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
