Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 1:44 AM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote: [ I'm not sure what is the subject of the thread anymore. ] I bet you saw the subject line of this thread.
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Daniel Troeder dan...@admin-box.com wrote: Also (ir)relevant: bug report concerning the mascot Larry the cow: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27727 But your links shows untrusted connection in my browser!
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your trusted authorities. Oh I see.
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: That would likely be because cacert.org isn't a trusted' authority by default and that is the issuer for B.G.O., making the certificate throw up a red flag if you choose not to add cacert.org to your trusted authorities. And finally there is no security risk in adding cacert.org to the trusted authorities?
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Joshua Murphy poiso...@gmail.com wrote: Well, that's up to whether you trust that issuer not to give out certificates to people using falsified credentials, setting up phishing sites, etc. Any time you choose to allow a person outside of yourself to decide who or what you trust, there's some element of risk. That the Gentoo devs trust cacert.org to be their issuer for b.g.o. is enough for me to feel that risk is worth it in my case, but that's as much as I can really say. I am relatively new, so have not fully understood what you say. What's b.g.o, by the way? And how do I add it in trusted ones?
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: An alternative to adding new trust certificates to your machine, consider simply changing the URL when you run into this problem:: Secure: https:// Unsecure but fine for just viewing: http:// Making http from https in that website still doesn't make it open!
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: I am relatively new, so have not fully understood what you say. What's b.g.o, by the way? And how do I add it in trusted ones? bugs.gentoo.org http://wiki.cacert.org/FAQ/BrowserClients Okay, thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Alan E. Davis lngn...@gmail.com wrote:
For what it's worth (possibly nothing), from Wikipedia:
The application of Gentoo to the penguin is unclear, according to the OED,
which reports that Gentoo was an Anglo-Indian term, used as early as 1638 to
distinguish Hindus in India from Muslims, the English term originating in
Portuguese gentio (compare gentile); in the twentieth century the term
came to be regarded as derogatory.
This needs to be followed up. One interesting publication would be
@article{calaby1999european,
title={The European Discovery and Scientific Description of Australian
Birds.},
author={Calaby, JH},
journal={Historical Records of Australian Science},
volume={12},
number={3},
pages={313--329},
year={1999},
publisher={CSIRO}
}
to which I do not have access. However, this investigation is not over.
The scientific name of the Gentoo Penguin is Pygoscelis papua. It should not
be difficult to find the original description?
Nice Davis!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: So it's either add cacert.org to your trusted authorities, or live in hell when browsing b.g.o. IMO that's just stupid. I want to trust just b.g.o, not every site out there that has a cacert certificate. Okay so how do I add only b.g.o of the cacert.org and not others? Can you tell me the step by step process?
[gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
Hi, From where the word gentoo came into existence? Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Gentoo is a species of penguin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_Penguin Oh I see.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote: troll_mode No. Gentoo is an anagram for net goo. Furthermore, Gentoo Linux is an anagram for Tux, go online. This why Gentoo was chosen. /troll_mode ;)--
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Dan Johansson dan.johans...@dmj.nu wrote: Stupid me, I thought that is was because of this They (Gentoo penguin) are the fastest underwater swimming penguins, reaching speeds of 36 km/h. Gentoo are adapted to very harsh cold climates. I liked the word 'Gentoo', cool!
Re: [gentoo-user] From where the word 'gentoo' came?
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:36 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: onomatopoeia gentoo linux in named after gentoo penguins. Those are small and fast. They are named after the sound they make if you bring one to Tour d'Argent and put it into the duck press. Nice to know!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:22 AM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: The Computer is the logical advancement of humankind: intelligence without morality. +1
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: Being such a highly flexible system, Linux made this very easy. Though I barely use custom scripts for daily tasks (yet) like many more advanced Linux users do, it was still very easy to set up. Yes Linux is better. Imagine you wanted to do that in Windows (and then integrate your new sig in M$ Lookout). ^^ Simply impossible! But the only thing I praise M$ is that it supports majority of the mobile phones (for data exchange) but at times it needs troubleshooting (at least a little) if we talk of it in Linux. Am I right? Trees have one advantagees over people: they are also nice in big numbers. And trees cannot cheat also!
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Frank Steinmetzger war...@gmx.de wrote: I did this in the past. But recently I’m reassessing this, with Ubuntu changing the default look and the way it works with every other release (remember the hassle about window buttons to the left by default?). I can’t really explain -- let alone justify -- to a newbie, who had to adapt from Win to Ubuntu that he has to do so again, whether he wants to or not. Plus it seems to me they are trying to become Apple in the Linux world, with own services (and design). I am totally at a loss with entry-level distros right now. I tried Mint, also the new one with Gnome 3. The praised Mint menu seems overloaded to me (it shows too much at once IMHO). I somehow dislike custom layers over a standard interface, much like, if I bought an HTC Android, I would reflash it without Sense UI, but I’m digressing. OpenSuse seems even more overloaded. Albeit it provides a whole environment, Yast was full of stuff a simple user will never need. It also caused a very long and voluminous installation process. I must add though that I peeked into both Mint and Suse only for a day or so, without ever using it myself, so I don’t know jack about update procedures. A friend of mine wanted Linux, so I installed Debian stable for her with KDE 4.4. It’s not bleeding edge, but it works because it doesn’t change much (hence keeps working) and because she doesn’t do a lot of fancy stuff. (And also because I used Debian testing for a while, so I know a bit about how to do some helpdesking). I have come to conclusion that almost all Linux work almost in the same way since they have the same kernel, however, this is what I think.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 8:31 AM, Sebastian Beßler sebast...@darkmetatron.de wrote: Virtualbox is mostly self-explaining so that should not be so much of a problem. VB works from within another OS or needs memory of HDD?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: I just want to say that I love Gentoo Linux, have used it as my primary OS for years on multiple computers and can't stand to use anything else. I like having total control over everything. I truly enjoy it, the Gentoo Way just feels like the right way in general to me. That is my subjective opinion. But I also want to say that just because you're forced to do things yourself doesn't mean that makes them inherently better-performing or secure. :) One can just as easily screw up their CFLAGS and a have terrible security setup, especially a beginner. This list's archives are full of such stories... I say install a binary distro to get your feet wet with Linux. Understand the basic concepts of how the system works, using a shell, editing config files, etc. Once that's not a 100% foreign experience to you, then go and install Gentoo using the great docs, wikis, forums, mailing lists and IRC as your guide, and we can be your hand-holding friends along the way. I would also suggest using a virtual machine for your first installations. It will make it a lot less scary. You messed up partitioning? No problem, you didn't just destroy your Windows installation or your life-long collection of digital photos (that you probably never got around to making a backup of). As a newbie to Linux, comparing distros is usually equivalent to comparing the default desktop environment, wallpaper and color scheme. They don't know enough to care about bootloader, filesystem layout, LVM, package manager, or whatever holy wars linux distros are having these days. :) A beginner can certainly follow along the Gentoo install docs, but I think it takes a certain kind of person to tolerate it... Blindly copy-pasting commands that they don't understand isn't necessarily going to teach them anything. Not any more than blindly copy-pasting example code from a programming textbook makes you a programmer... Having at least some basic understand of the commands you're typing in will greatly enhance the experience, in my opinion. Nice suggestions. Good luck to the OP, whatever he chooses. Welcome to the dark side. :) Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: I don't mean to scare you, but most Linux distros work differently. First, there might be differences in how they install a package. There's RPM, apt, pacman, portage, and others. Second, there are differences in the init system. Gentoo users OpenRC, Ubuntu uses upstart, and others use SysVinit, systemd, and so on. init system? I am first time hearing this, may be, I would read it later or sometimes about what is it And even you can't guarantee that the kernels are the same. Many distros introduce their own distro-specific patches to the vanilla kernel. With Gentoo, it's even more complicated, as most experienced Gentooroids will configure and compile their own kernels. (The last paragraph, however, is the reason why Gentoo is so secure: attackers can't be sure that the vuln they're targeting is located at the right spot, *if* the vuln exists at all. Throw in hardened patches like GrSecurity, PAX, and SELinux... well, you get the idea.) Oh I see. Thanks for clarification Pandu. ((No wonder NASDAQ uses Gentoo for its infrastructure)) Great to hear.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: A very small selection of all possible Unixes work the same. Ubuntu and Debian are quite similar as they have common roots. RedHat works rather like an old Fedora (and to some degree that's almost exactly what it is). Gentoo looks and feels like whatever you decide to make it to be (because it is so highly configurable and adaptable) The fact is that the kernel make very little difference to how the overall system works. YOU do not interact with the kernel, YOU interact with a collection of programs called userland, and these things can all be very different. For example, I'm looking at three computers right now that all run Linux, and they are all very very different: - this laptop, which is set up as a traditional Unix with X, - my phone running Android - my wireless router/modem which runs busybox Be careful of making rash conclusions about Linux. A Linux system is not like anything particularly, it is whatever the person who built it decided it should be. What you will find is that desktop Linuxes share many common elements. This is not surprising - all versions of Windows share many common elements too. Thanks for this explanation. I earlier (before this post) used to think that it is the kernel which is a deciding factor..., but yes it is correct to say NO for this. Linux is really highly configurable at least for this reason is a better choice and especially Gentoo - which could be made to work like anything we wish (as you say) --- really great to know. ON one of the machine and in the time to come, I wold first read how to install Gentoo and then would definitely (100%) try to install Gentooo at least a successful installation would make me know many things as far as Gentoo is considered.. Eventually I would come to these great mailing lists for the help, but since I am in another job, so it would take much time, but I would try Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: VirtualBox is a program that runs on a working system with a functioning OS. Like all programs it needs resources like memory and hard disk space. Unlike most programs it usually uses a LOT of memory and hard disk space to be useful. Oh I see. I see VB in Ubuntu...(how to) since right now I have Ubuntu.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 5:58 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: The next time you have a problem with anything related to linux, follow a link to an Ubuntu user forum. Unfortunately, the quality of advice on them tends to be pretty low. :-( Really?
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Don't take our word for it, go look for yourself. I could give you examples of how that forum works, I could give you links that show what we are saying, but NOTHING can prepare you for what you really find on the Ubuntu user forums. Okay but at least Ubuntu is good for new users and Windows convert and for those doesn't it give a learning curve in Linux?
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:18 AM, James Broadhead jamesbroadh...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really save on the learning curve - something will go awry sooner or later, and the fact that they've had the command-line hidden from them until that first fateful trip to the forums won't feel like such a benefit then. Ok, I agree with you but I have just installed since I had to Linux experience but everything is working like a charm. I don't know if any problem would come.
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:35 AM, LinuxIsOne linuxis...@gmail.com wrote: That's debatable; it generally means that the amount of time that passes before they realise that Linux is not Windows is increased. It definitely gets them booted into a desktop environment quicker, but it doesn't really save on the learning curve - something will go awry sooner or later, and the fact that they've had the command-line hidden from them until that first fateful trip to the forums won't feel like such a benefit then. Ok, I agree with you but I have just installed since I had to Linux experience but everything is working like a charm. I don't know if any problem would come. I mean i have no Linux experience and everything is working like a charm in Ubuntu and yes you are correct to say that command line is hidden which is the real gem in linux. I agree with you in this regard. But I guess (not sure) if Ubuntu would give me the Linux learning environment?
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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we're talking about *you*, and not about someone you're setting things up for, here's what I'd suggest: 1) Keep your existing Ubuntu setup operational, at least for a while. Gentoo isn't something you should dive into unless you have a fallback, at least until you learn enough to be able to fix the things you'll encounter. 2) Set up Gentoo as a second machine; it really is a great way to learn how a lot of the moving parts in Linux work. Once you've got Gentoo doing everything you want it to do, and you've burned yourself a couple times, you'll be in a good position to make a decision for yourself. I've actually bounced back and forth between Ubuntu and Gentoo twice in the last three or four years, but I think I'm finally ready to go steady with Gentoo. :) Ubuntu is great for it just works. Ubuntu isn't so great for it just keeps working. Neither is Gentoo, for that matter, but, at least with Gentoo, you'll know how to fix it. Ah, thanks for the nice suggestions, I would keep a note of it. I would install in one old machine, I mean I would try to install Gentoo after going through the docs..(of course, required in Gentoo). But one more request can you also suggest about openSUSE? Is openSUSE lies in the middle between Ubuntu and Gentoo?
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Lorenzo Bandieri lorenzo.bandi...@gmail.com wrote: Well, maybe my experience will be useful to you. Ubuntu was my introduction to linux. First, I'll start by saying that before linux I didn't know absolutely nothing about computers and the like. I had my first desktop pc at home (windows xp) when I was 15 or 16 years old. Before that, only my father owned a pc, for his work, and I was not allowed to use it. My high school was centered around humanities/classical studies: ancient greek, latin, philosophy; after high school, I managed to get into med school. So, no computer science/informatics at all. However, I was really curios about computers, and I messed up my family's desktop pc a couple of times :) At 19, I was given a laptop, only for me (windows vista, if I remember correctly). I decided to install linux on it, and I chose Ubuntu because it was the distro of wich I heard about the most. After some months, I decided to move away from ubuntu because I felt it was too limited - I wanted to learn. In the following two years I tried other distros, but at last I felt that only two were apt to me: Gentoo and Arch Linux. Of these two, I tend to prefer Gentoo. That's really nice to know. What's the point in this story: I started as a computer illiterate. I think that, had I chosen Gentoo (or Arch, or Slackware) as my first distro, probably I would have given up with linux. I could never get started so abruptly with the terminal, CLI etc. I needed a gradual introduction, to get familiar with filesystems, directory hierarchy, basilar command line usage etc. Ubuntu, at the time, provided this. Just remember that *probably* you won't learn much by using Ubuntu. If you want to learn, when you're ready, you will have to move on. You learn more after an attempt to install Gentoo than in one year of plain Ubuntu usage :) At least, that is my real life experience and my opinion. I'm just one user; on this ML there are really knowledgeable users, so you should listen to them[1]. [1] BTW, I just want to say that I really love this ML. Thanks guys. Yeahs thanks and your story really gives nice things to remember. I would definitely try now Gentoo and since it is an advanced version of Linux usage, so people here are, of course, having more knowledge and more mature, including you. When you say 'You learn more after an attempt to install Gentoo than in one year of plain Ubuntu usage :)', this line is really good to know. If this is true, I guess after some initial learning I would step towards Gentoo, I bet. But since Gentoo was not in top 5 at distrowatch.org so that also (earlier) made me thought that Ubuntu or openSUSE are more matured Linux distributions but I forgot that the rating I saw was of popularity and not of more advanced or the one giving more learning curvature. Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Claudio Roberto França Pereira spide...@gmail.com wrote: Going back to Ubuntu bashing, I think that the multiple versions, multiple repositories, multiple software choices (gnome 2, then unity, for example, hal then no hal) get in the way of the newbie user. Gentoo solves that by making the user understand what he's doing, how he's system works. But at least the user should be know what he is going to do in the only way possible - CLI!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I have learned about this list, even if you ask a question about M$, you get a answer and sometimes more than one. I think about all the people here are geeks, nerds or some such thing. And what response you got when did you ask in Ubuntu lists?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: But we still are the ones who come up with answers. Nice to know! Cool!
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Stroller strol...@stellar.eclipse.co.uk wrote: I tried Ubuntu, hated this *so* much. I'm sure all the respondents were just trying to be helpful, but they made Ubuntu look like the distro of idiots. How do you say like this? Can you give me an example please?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I no longer run Gentoo on my Pentium IBM laptop - let's face it with 72M RAM even fluxbox was a bit sluggish! Ha! ;)- I do however run it on my 1998 vintage Pentium 3 laptop and before that on a Pentium 3 Coppermine. KDE is sluggish and rebuilding KDE takes a day or so. That's why I don't run a full KDE ... ;p Only some KDE apps on e17. I guess, if Gentoo is required to be learned first and that's why it is not so popular like Ubuntu and lag far behind than it. When I asked a stranger do you know about Computers? He says, no but I know what it is. Then I asked him of Linux, he says, yes I heard of Ubuntu but I don't know! At least he heard of Ubuntu and Gentoo (when asked about) he says: Is it a country? /o\
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I do however run it on my 1998 vintage Pentium 3 laptop and before that on a Pentium 3 Coppermine. KDE is sluggish and rebuilding KDE takes a day or so. That's why I don't run a full KDE ... ;p Only some KDE apps on e17. However, Getoo could be great (I really don't know) but installing Ubuntu is working like a charm (I still don't know anything in Linux!) But I don't know why the creators of Gentoo made it so difficult for beginners! It is typical then
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Indi thebeelzebubtrig...@gmail.com wrote: In fact, I like gentoo and FreeBSD best for low-spoec hardware. What does low-spec hardware mean?
[gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
Hello, Does one have the experience for the following: gentoo vs openSUSE for ease of use, better navigation, applications working perfectly without any crash(es), better up gradations, smooth working, etc..etc... Best Regards.
Re: [gentoo-user] can one tell me: gentoo vs opensuse
2011/12/2 Andrew Tchernoivanov: Hi! Hello. I use gentoo on my desktop (P4, 2 Gb RAM) and openSuSe on laptop (Lenovo x200s). They both work perfectly well, especially when you precisely know what you are expecting from OS )) Regarding your questions: Ok well. About DE: I've tried to use Enlightenment with SuSe, and worked very well (only little changes with networking). Applications: I have texlive, pdftk, sipp and ns-2 working perfectly on both systems. General applications like LibreOffice, Gimp, browser works fine too. The only thin is really annoying in openSuSe is /usr/lib/tracker-* which loads CPU by 90% while searching for media files, etc.. I recommend to disable it - I haven't found anything useful by using this application. Okay. Hope this helps you. Yeah. P.S. Sorry it there were some mistakes - English isn't my native language. Not a problem, that is also not a native language for me! Why I asked to just know if Gentoo is better or openSUSE is better for a novice who want to learn Linux, just coming directly from Windows...that's why...However, I have liked the Ubuntu (since it is easy and nice) but don't know about all Linux in generalis Gentoo is also using the same Linux which Ubuntu is using? Cheers.
[gentoo-user] Can one get me that link?
Hi, Can one please let me know about the difference between the two torrents written at: http://torrents.gentoo.org/ Since in both the torrents, 'amd 64' is written...? Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Can one get me that link?
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Vishnupradeep intermedia.vis...@gmail.com wrote: http://torrents.gentoo.org/ From this link, which one I should use to download for 64 bit processor for my PC? Thanks.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Can one get me that link?
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM, walt w41...@gmail.com wrote: Both will run 64-bit software, but only the 'multilib' will also run 32-bit software. You may not care about running older 32-bit software on your 64-bit machine. Oh I see. thanks Reagrds, LinuxIsOne
