[gentoo-user] Re: Re: [OT] which forum app to use?

2006-06-05 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jun  5  3:20, Andrew Gaydenko (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Thanks! - I'll see them.
 It is interesting, they are not present in the portage tree.

I find that odd myself, but at least they're very easy to install.  Glad 
I could help - I think you'll like those forums.

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] which forum app to use?

2006-06-04 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jun  5  1:51, Andrew Gaydenko (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 I have found Gentoo team uses phpBB forum app. OTOH, this app is
 masked in portage:

phpBB has had a lot of security problems, but the Gentoo folk use a 
highly modified version that fixes security issues and adds some useful 
features.  It's not really worth using yourself, though, with all the 
better options that exist today.

 The question is: which forum app to use??

I recommend punbb (punbb.org) for a classic-style forum, and vanilla 
(getvanilla.com) for a change of pace.  Both are modern, sleek, compact, 
and easy to use.  And best of all, safer than phpBB...

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[gentoo-user] Re: kde-meta minus toys, games, etc

2006-06-02 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jun  2 20:21, Mick (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 What's the best way to find out what -meta packages exist

eix 'kde.*-meta'

 and what they contain?

The KDE website is pretty good for that - see here:
http://kde.org/whatiskde/project.php#distribution

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[gentoo-user] Re: EMERGENCY - GCC GONE!

2006-05-31 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 31 16:28, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 This is - for me - an emergency.  No pun intended.

Just a quick note in addition to the good advice given in the rest of the 
thread.  One of the Gentoo devs (I forget which, but I'm sure someone 
knows) keeps a bunch of tarballs on a server that can be used for 
emergency restoration.  It has things like pre-compiled gcc packages, 
glibc, python, etc. from a working Gentoo system, and compiled for 
bare-bones hardware so it'll work anywhere.  Actually, it's saved my butt 
a few times now.  You can just download gcc from there, and install with 
emerge -K.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-28 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 27 11:29, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 At this rate, I'm inclined to recommend Kuroo to all of you.  I've
 been kicking the tires in on it, and it's really quite good.

I have a feeling that, given people who extensively discuss the merits of 
esearch vs. eix, you're not going to convince them to use a portage 
frontend ;)

(PS - eix all the way - it also has customizable formatting and more 
powerful expressions)

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[gentoo-user] Re: GCC 4.1.1 Problems

2006-05-28 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 27 11:40, Jason Weisberger (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 I figure upgrading to GCC 4.1.1 from 3.4.5 wouldn't be such a pain,
 right?  WRONG.

I wanted to give it a day or two of use before I commented, but I 
recently upgraded to GCC 4.1.1 and rebuilt most of my system.  I have yet 
to experience a single issue.  So far, I'm nothing but impressed. 

This includes perl-cleaner, though I used version 1.04 - and I believe 
your issues were due to the older version, not GCC.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-28 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 25 21:45, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 I'm learning Gentoo as fast and as much as I can!

Cool!  I hope you like it as much as the others here - it's a great 
system for a lot of uses.

 I've fixed many problems by myself that you haven't heard about because 
 I managed to fix them myself.  I'm not as idiotic as some, but I'm not 
 at all familiar with portage and that's why I'm asking: I'm a hardened
 apt-get veteran, but with portage I'm still learning, which is why I
 ask.

I wasn't trying to be rude, and you're certainly not idiotic - I just 
think it's to everyone's benefit to read the docs.  Gentoo has very good 
documentation.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Now Know Why Portage Is So Slow

2006-05-25 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 25 11:45, Lord Sauron (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 I've found (after much exploration) that there is a archive:
 /portage-20060123.tar.bz2

This is just a remnant from when you installed Gentoo.  You can delete 
that file.  Portage is already using uncompressed files under 
/usr/portage - that tarball is just a starter tarball that portage 
bootstraps itself with during the initial Gentoo installation.

 I also think that there's another file, /metadata.tar.bz2, which I
 think is portage-related.  If possible I'd like to uncompress that as
 well.

I've never seen a metadata tarball.  metadata.xml is something portage 
keeps uncompressed in /usr/portage for every package.

 It takes about as long to start going as it does to open the archive
 /portage-20060123.tar.bz2 - conincidence?  I think not!

I think so ;)

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: OT - which X terminal do you use?

2006-05-17 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 16 21:38, Alexander Skwar (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 - Tabs
 - Easy way to paste from clipboard (I'm not talking about primary 
 selection)

You can use multi-aterm for tabs if you want, though personally I see no 
need to.  You have 10 instantly-accessible tabs with screen, which 
provides additional benefits as well.  If you use more than 10 tabs 
frequently, it would seem easier to just use multiple windows, but that's 
preference I suppose.

As for copy/paste, I'll give you that.  However, screen once again 
provides that functionality between its own windows.  If I'm in console 
mode, that's sufficient, and if I'm in X, middle-click pasting works just 
fine between GUIs, whether they support copy/paste or not.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Spam, spam, spam

2006-05-17 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 16 19:03, JimD (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Is there a good spam filter out there?  One that is not a pain to setup
 and use?

I'd recommend spamassassin.

I've tried all of the popular spam filters, including SA, dspam, and 
bogofilter, including many of the plugins and smaller filters in 
portage, and only spamassassin is reliable.

It uses more than just bayesian filters that can be tricked too easily, 
which gives the added benefit of a small training time.  There's also a 
bigger spamassassin user base, which means more prewritten rules and 
help.

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[gentoo-user] Re: OT - which X terminal do you use?

2006-05-16 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May  9 19:33, Neil Bothwick (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 I am writing a comparative review of a number of X terminals, so I
 thought I'd draw on the collective wisdom of this list. which are your
 most/least favourite X terminals, and why?

I use aterm exclusively.  It opens instantly, never lags, looks good, 
uses less resources than any other terminal I've seen, and is pretty 
customizable.

Not sure what else you could want, honestly.  Just add screen, rinse, 
repeat.

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[gentoo-user] Re: synaptics touchpad stop working after starting a gtk app

2006-03-21 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Mar 21 12:43, Mauro Faccenda (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 If I use the synaptics driver, my touchpad stop working after starting 
 a GTK app (tried vmware, grkellm2, firefox). It doesn't occours when 
 I'm using a mouse driver for it. But I want to use some advantages in 
 synaptics driver.

Can you give us any more details about your system?  I'm using the 
synaptics driver as well, on an ALPS trackpad (Dell Inspiron 6000) and 
GTK apps work fine.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: net.eth0 and net.eth1 choice + net.eth1 timeout

2006-02-18 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Feb 17 16:16, Neil Bothwick (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 net.eth0 isn't actually failing when ifplugd detects no cable. It is
 shown as inactive rather than stopped. You could try starting the
 interface from /etc/conf.d/local only if eth0 is not active with
 
 etc/init.d/net.eth0 status --quiet | echo /etc/init.d/eth1 start

I meant to say inactive rather than failed, you're correct.  You're also 
right that I could start my wireless from local.start, but this wouldn't 
*quite* solve the problem.

The issue is that even though ifplug recognizes that eth0 is inactive, 
baselayout isn't starting eth1 instead; it just seems to skip eth1 (even 
though it's on the same runlevel), and any net-dependent rc scripts after 
that say they'll start when net.eth0 starts.  I'd like them to start when 
*any* net.eth* starts.

The funny thing is, if net.eth0 succeeds in starting, then it *will* 
start eth1 immediately after.  Just the opposite of the expected - it 
only starts the alternate interface when you don't need it!

 You should also edit /etc/conf.d/net to shut down eth1 when eth0 
 detects a cable. I have this as the preup function
 
 preup() {
   [ ${IFACE} == eth0 ]  /etc/init.d/net.eth1 --quiet status  
 /etc/init.d/net.eth1 pause
   return 0
 }

Thanks for this - it looks quite handy.  Is preup() executed after ifplug 
notices a connection?  When does postup() occur, if that's the case?

I'm having another funny problem today that I can't work out - DHCP 
stopped working for wireless.  I odn't think I've changed anything.  DHCP 
works fine on the wired connection, and wireless works fine if I set an 
explicit IP, but not with DHCP.  Perhaps something related to the newest 
baselayout?

Thanks,
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[gentoo-user] Re: net.eth0 and net.eth1 choice + net.eth1 timeout

2006-02-17 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Feb 17  9:46, Neil Bothwick (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Note that the latest baselayout supports ifplugd itself. You only need 
 to emerge ifplugd, you don't need to configure it or add it to a 
 runlevel.

I'm having a similar problem, and I'm using ifplugd via baselayout.  
(net.eth0 and net.eth1 starting by default runlevel, not ifplugd.)

However, when I start my laptop, only net.eth0 is started even if a 
wireless signal exists.  Obviously, I'd like net.eth1 (wireless) started 
if net.eth0 fails.

In /etc/conf.d/net, I've tried both the wpa_supplicant and iwconfig 
modules for eth1, with the ifplugd module, and nothing is attempted 
automatically.  I have to either manually iwconfig eth1 or restart 
/etc/init.d/net.eth1 to get a connection.

Any ideas why it's not starting automatically?

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[gentoo-user] Re: what does this mean?

2006-02-16 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Feb 16 14:03, Nick Smith (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 # /etc/init.d/spamd start
  * Starting spamd...
 [18773] error: persistent_udp: no such method at
 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.6/Mail/SpamAssassin/DnsResolver.pm line
 99 [ ok ]

I haven't seen this error specifically, but I've had plenty of errors 
from DnsResolver.pm after some recent upgrades.  It doesn't seem to 
affect spamassassin, but still, I'd be interested to hear whether 
anyone's tracked it down...

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[gentoo-user] Re: A new experience an account on gentoo without root priv

2006-02-06 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Feb  6 12:34, Steven S. (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Not that I know of. I believe you have to be root to use emerge. You 
 should be able to cat the ebuild and download the tarball yourself, you 
 could then run the configure and install scripts, giving it the 
 location of where to install.

You can join the portage group to use most emerge functions as a 
non-root user.  You should be able to set the $ROOT variable to ~ to 
install things to your home directory, though I haven't tried it... ROOT 
is normally /; it controls where files go after the sandbox.

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[gentoo-user] Re: RR4 Linux

2006-02-06 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Feb  6 21:11, Christoph Eckert (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 did anyone notice RR4 Linux on
 
 It's based on Gentoo and it has an hard drive installer; is it a cool 
 thing to get a base Gentoo installed?

I've used RR4 for quite a while as a LiveCD for installing (and 
troubleshooting) Gentoo.  I wouldn't recommend copying it directly to 
your hard drive for a base install, though, as it's quite bloated.  It 
has a lot of nice utilities to perform installs though.

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] World Of Warcraft - Works like MAGIC on Gentoo

2005-12-19 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Dec 18 10:14, Jeff (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Just to let you guys know, not that it means anything special, but WoW
 works like a DREAM on Gentoo.

I know this isn't a help with the mouse pointer fix, but did you do 
anything special to get WoW to run?  I tried every patch I found but none 
helped.  (As a note, I assume you've checked the WoW thread in the Gentoo 
forums?)

I kept having trouble.  If I used -opengl, the game would crash after 
char select, after all the files loaded - just before anything displayed, 
it bombed.  If I used the native directx, the game would load, but the 
textures were completely wonky.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Bug, or PEBKAC?

2005-10-12 Thread Thomas Kirchner
I installed liboil 0.3.3 this morning, from an emerge sync done around 
8:30 am EST, with no troubles.  (As for the other reply - I use ccache as 
well, so that's not it.)

emerge info attached.
Tom

* On Oct 12 19:52, Holly Bostick (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 I've been trying to run an emerge -uaDtv world for the past couple of
 days, and dev-libs/liboil fails to upgrade from 0.3.2 to 0.3.3 with the
 following error:
Gentoo Base System version 1.6.13
Portage 2.0.52-r1 (default-linux/x86/2005.1, gcc-3.4.4, glibc-2.3.5-r2, 
2.6.12-morph7 i686)
=
System uname: 2.6.12-morph7 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP  3200+
ccache version 2.4 [enabled]
dev-lang/python: 2.3.5, 2.4.2
sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.13
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.59-r7
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.20
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.11-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 ~x86
AUTOCLEAN=yes
CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -funit-at-a-time
CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu
CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env 
/usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config 
/usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/gconf /etc/init.d /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d
CXXFLAGS=-O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -funit-at-a-time
DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles
FEATURES=autoconfig candy ccache confcache digest distlocks parallel-fetch 
prelink sandbox sfperms strict userpriv userpriv_fakeroot usersandbox
GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo 
http://mirrors.acm.cs.rpi.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.osuosl.org 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo;
MAKEOPTS=-j2
PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp
PORTDIR=/usr/portage
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=/usr/local/portage
SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage
USE=x86 3dnow X acpi alsa avi berkdb bitmap-fonts cdr crypt cups curl directfb 
dvd dvdr emboss encode fam firefox foomaticdb fortran gdbm gif gnutls gstreamer 
gtk gtk2 imagemagick imlib ithreads java jpeg kdeenablefinal libg++ libwww mad 
maildir mmx mmxext mono mp3 mpeg ncurses nptl offensive ogg oggvorbis opengl 
pam pcre pdflib perl pic png python qt quicktime readline ruby samba sdl sqlite 
sse ssl svga tcpd threads truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis xml xml2 
xmms xv xvid zlib userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc
Unset:  ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, LINGUAS



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[gentoo-user] Re: auto-email on reboot?

2005-09-21 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Sep 21 16:44, Holly Bostick (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 And you know, it just occurred to me-- isn't there a kernel option or 
 an
 option somewhere that I can't remember right now, to enable or disable
 auto-rebooting on severe errors/kernel panics, something like that?

[~] grep panic /etc/sysctl.conf
# When the kernel panics, automatically reboot in x seconds
kernel.panic = 10

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[gentoo-user] Re: Slightly OT: favorite window manager/desktop environ?

2005-09-02 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Sep  2 20:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 seems that nobody likes FVWM

Hey, I use FVWM and love it, have for a long time ;)  FVWM is small, 
ultimately customizable, and can do everything any other WM can do, with 
a bit of work.  Virtually any dreamable interface is possible with it.  
This can be a bit daunting, though, so when I was setting it up I found a 
fairly good base (taviso's, I believe) and customized the heck out of it.  
Now it's perfect for me, and I just can't get rid of it.  I've tried 
pretty much every other option, but only FVWM can scratch everyone's 
exact itch - if they're patient.
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: DVD recorder recommendations

2005-08-21 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Aug 19 15:42, Sean Johnson (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 I'm pretty stuck on Plextor drives. I've found them to all be very
 reliable, and will tend to read damaged disks that other drives choke
 on.

Another strong recommendation for Plextor here.  I've had my PX-712A for 
a while now and it's been fantastic - never a single problem with any 
type of disc.  Definitely consider them.  You can usually find them for 
around the same price as the others on newegg.com.
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: DVD recorder recommendations

2005-08-21 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Aug 21 15:37, Volker Armin Hemmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 it has to, because all tests I read said, that Plextor burns a lot of 
 errors onto the dvds... so they have to have a good error-correction, 
 or they would not be able to read their own stuff.

Not sure I buy that.  I've used my Plextor-burned discs in plenty of 
other computers and they haven't had any trouble reading them, either.  
They didn't earn their reputation for quality by making coasters.
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[gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo not detecting full amount of memory

2005-07-24 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jul 24 15:46, Mark Shields (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Any ideas?

All the comments about enabling 4G highmem are correct - the kernel can't 
address a full gig without it.  However, enabling this slightly slows 
down your memory, and some people choose to keep it off for speed unless 
they're using the full gig.  Another option, better imho, is to use a 
kernel with the 1g_lowmem patch (originally from -ck patchset) or to 
patch it in yourself, which enables exactly 1 gig of memory at full 
speed.

The patch for kernel 2.6.12 is available here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/2.6/2.6.12/2.6.12-ck3/patches/1g_lowmem1_i386.diff
If you need it for a different kernel version, start here:
http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/2.6/
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: Alternatives to xdm/gdm?

2005-06-20 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jun 19 15:32, Jean Magnan de Bornier (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 You might want to try qingy, if framebuffer works on this machine
 cheers,

Another vote for qingy.  I've been using it for a long time now, it's 
very light, stable, and configurable, with no deps other than directfb.
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: handling folders with spaces

2005-06-18 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jun 18 20:41, timothy johnson (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 trying to play starcraft, got it installed but it installed it to
 Program Files, now I have to get the the exe in a term but I cant seem
 to cd to Program Files cause of the space. Any ideas on how to get
 around this???

In general, you can escape a space in your shell by prefixing it with a 
backslash, for example Program\ Files.  If you actually use quotes, you 
don't need the backslash.  You can also use tab-completion, if available, 
by just typing Program and hitting tab.

As a side note, please fix your mail client - it's sending mail to 
gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org and gentoo-user@gentoo.org, only the latter 
of which is correct, and we're all receiving two copies.
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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Secure web document

2005-06-14 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jun 14  9:46, Heinz Sporn (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 2. Convert the information to a graphic format and use that as
 background image. No browser is able to directly download background
 images (in the moment).

Not true - any Mozilla-based browser can do it rather easily.  On 
Firefox, just go to Tools - Page Info - Media.

As for the point at hand, the most obfuscated option I can think of is 
Flash, which would be a royal pain to get text out of other than for 
viewing purposes.  Add some HTTP authentication and it'd be moderately 
secure, but I wouldn't bet on it if they were dedicated.  You could also 
use some protected pdfs, eBooks, whatever Adobe calls their crap...
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: Sync only installed and dependence packages with portage.

2005-06-13 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Jun 13 16:42, Qian Qiao (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 As the title suggested, I've got a box with very limited disk space,
 is it possible to sync only the packages currently installed and their
 dependencies with the portage tree and leave out the rest?

I'll assume you're clearing out /usr/portage/distfiles, which you don't 
really need once things are installed.  As for your suggestion, I don't 
think it's possible, but you can set the following in /etc/make.conf -

RSYNC_EXCLUDEFROM=/etc/portage/rsync_excludes

Then, use /etc/portage/rsync_excludes to list top-level categories that 
you don't want rsync to get.  For example, my file is the following:

app-emacs
app-i18n
app-laptop
app-xemacs
dev-ada
games-kids
gnustep-apps
gnustep-base
gnustep-libs
media-radio
media-tv
net-wireless
sys-cluster

I don't use any of those, and they don't contain deps of anything I do 
use, so I don't see the purpose of wasting everyone's bandwidth.  
(Actually, the list could probably use a few additions, I haven't touched 
it in around a year.)
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: CFLAGS CPU optimization question.

2005-05-24 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 24 13:37, Mitko Moshev (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Put -pipe in there too, it speeds up compiling (or so I've heard). 

Right!  I forgot -pipe, that one's good.  Unless you have bad RAM that 
you're trying to use as little as possible, or some such thing...

 Right now I use CFLAGS=-march=athlon-xp -O2 -pipe 
 -fomit-frame-pointer. -O3 isn't worth it. It would give you no more 
 than a few percent (around 2-3) faster binaries, but they would compile 
 longer (confirmed by a friend, he recently switched to -O2) and be 
 larger.

Yeah, the larger binaries just cause more disk access (the real choking 
point) and can cause some overflow out of cache with certain processors.  
It's best to enable individual O3-enabled flags as you need, though you 
really shouldn't need.
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: next step X

2005-05-13 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 13  9:06, Mark Knecht (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 My world file is 235 lines long. How screwed up is that really? How
 long it yours?

My world file is 135 lines, and I run a fairly minimalist desktop system 
(no DE, just good ole fvwm).  For a system with kde, gnome, and fluxbox, 
235 doesn't seem out of line at all.

 Just glancing through the file I spot very few things that wouldn't be
 installed whether they were in in the world file or not, but I do have
 28 gnome entries and certainly some of them are not end user Gnomish
 things, like gnome-base/librsvg.
 
 I presume this is the 'cruft' you're talking about?

(Not that I was talking about, but) yes, that sort of thing is world-file 
cruft.  You can delete pretty much any library from world, unless you 
specifically need it, such as if you're a developer who works with it 
(and in that case, you'd know.)

The general rule is to delete anything you don't recognize and use 
directly.  You can `emerge -pv depclean` to check if there any straggler 
programs that you still want, but portage won't remove anything that can 
hurt you as long as you have your important apps in world (which covers 
deps) and you've checked an `emerge -pvD --newuse world` for changed USE 
flags.

 I have a problem with Portage and Gnome specifically. If I want to
 emerge Gnome portage wants to emerge in Evolution. I don't use
 Evolution but I didn't know how to get what I wanted (Gentoo is about
 choice even if Gnome is not...) so I emerged the pieces and got what I
 wanted. (And a longer world file...)
 
 How should I have gone about getting Gnome without Evolution?

You should use the gnome-light package, which only includes essentials, 
rather than the bloated gnome package, which is designed to match 
upstream.  What I did when I used gnome was to create a gnome-medium 
package in my overlay that included gnome-light and the other gnome apps 
I wanted.  That keeps the system clean for you and covers deps.  Each 
person's gnome-medium would vary, of course.

Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: next step X

2005-05-13 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On May 13 20:30, Neil Bothwick (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 emerging kde, gnome and fluxbox instead of fvwm would oonly make the 
 world file two lines longer :)

If you only install the meta-ebuilds, that's true... Perhaps I should 
have prefaced it with a 'YMMV', but if you have three DEs (or two and a 
WM) you tend to have a lot of complimentary apps installed to go with 
each, increasing your world-count.  That is, unless you make custom 
ebuilds ala gnome-medium :)
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: glibc

2005-04-29 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Apr 29 13:06, Jose Moreira (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 Is this normal?

It's normal for an emerge -e system, yes, but you don't need to do that 
for simply recompiling glibc.
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: glibc

2005-04-29 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Apr 29 15:21, Jose Moreira (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 i think my sistem is a little messed up, because of locales:

Is your /etc/locales.build file correct?  If you don't have all the 
languages you want specified there, you'll be lacking some important 
ones...  (if some are missing, fix that file and rebuild glibc)
By the way, if you're setting up userlocales now, you may want to check 
out app-admin/localepurge to remove the old, unused ones.
Tom


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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge ideas

2005-04-25 Thread Thomas Kirchner
* On Apr 25 22:17, Devraj Mukherjee (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
 1. Emerge with a time delay, so that one can specify big emerge tasks 
 for say midnight for proper bandwidth usage etc. I know you can do this 
 with a combination of utilites (such as cron) but it would be neat to 
 have it as part of emerge.

I know you're discussing things that could be usefully integrated into 
portage, but sys-process/at is *exactly* the tool for this job, much more 
suitable than cron.  It's designed for one-time jobs like this.

 2. Background downloading, of packages while emerge compiles other 
 packages. For example when I am compiling something huge like GNome, 
 while a package like GTK is being compiled, emerge should be clever and 
 download the next package and save time.

This is one of the longest requested features in portage, see:
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1661
(bug 1661!)  I believe some work has been put into this recently, and it 
became even easier after the distlocks FEATURE was added (and 
parallel-fetch is coming soon).
Tom


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