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One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a year or something. If you want a *really* well tested and *really* stable linux binary distro, Debian stable is your friend :D I have a debian install on my home desktop (used by my sister and my parents); I choosed debian basically because I didn't wanted to bother: I just wanted to install and update once in a while. I'm really happy with it. Pros: - stable - tested - once configured, requires minimal maintenance. Basically, all you have to do is apt-get update apt-get upgrade once in while. It'll install only security fixes. No headaches, no massive breakage or something. At least, this is my experience. - easy and fast installation Cons: - softwares tend to be outdated on stable. On my debian stable I have Gnome 2.30.2, Firefox (iceweasel) 3.5.16, OpenOffice 3.2.1... Consider that debian stable versions are released, on average, every two years. - debian has its own way to do things. I had to get used to it... - the default DE is gnome; if you want kde you have to install yourself, and, needless to say, it is not the last version [1] The biggest cons about debian stable is outdated software... If you can cope with it/it is not a priority, give it a try. Otherwise, the previous suggestions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSUSE etc) are all good choiches - stable, tested, up-to-date. [1] http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/kde-full Best regards, Lorenzo
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Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a year or something. If you want a *really* well tested and *really* stable linux binary distro, Debian stable is your friend :D I have a debian install on my home desktop (used by my sister and my parents); I choosed debian basically because I didn't wanted to bother: I just wanted to install and update once in a while. I'm really happy with it. Pros: - stable - tested - once configured, requires minimal maintenance. Basically, all you have to do is apt-get update apt-get upgrade once in while. It'll install only security fixes. No headaches, no massive breakage or something. At least, this is my experience. - easy and fast installation Cons: - softwares tend to be outdated on stable. On my debian stable I have Gnome 2.30.2, Firefox (iceweasel) 3.5.16, OpenOffice 3.2.1... Consider that debian stable versions are released, on average, every two years. - debian has its own way to do things. I had to get used to it... - the default DE is gnome; if you want kde you have to install yourself, and, needless to say, it is not the last version [1] The biggest cons about debian stable is outdated software... If you can cope with it/it is not a priority, give it a try. Otherwise, the previous suggestions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSUSE etc) are all good choiches - stable, tested, up-to-date. [1] http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/kde-full Best regards, Lorenzo Thanks. Now I know the goods and bads about Debian. If Kubuntu starts to slack off, I got a replacement to test. Two years. That's a good while. It should be stable. lol Dale :-) :-)
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On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 10:45:46 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a year or something. If you want a *really* well tested and *really* stable linux binary distro, Debian stable is your friend :D I have a debian install on my home desktop (used by my sister and my parents); I choosed debian basically because I didn't wanted to bother: I just wanted to install and update once in a while. I'm really happy with it. Pros: - stable - tested - once configured, requires minimal maintenance. Basically, all you have to do is apt-get update apt-get upgrade once in while. It'll install only security fixes. No headaches, no massive breakage or something. At least, this is my experience. - easy and fast installation Cons: - softwares tend to be outdated on stable. On my debian stable I have Gnome 2.30.2, Firefox (iceweasel) 3.5.16, OpenOffice 3.2.1... Consider that debian stable versions are released, on average, every two years. - debian has its own way to do things. I had to get used to it... - the default DE is gnome; if you want kde you have to install yourself, and, needless to say, it is not the last version [1] The biggest cons about debian stable is outdated software... If you can cope with it/it is not a priority, give it a try. Otherwise, the previous suggestions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSUSE etc) are all good choiches - stable, tested, up-to-date. [1] http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/kde-full From what I've come across Ubuntu seems to be the only distro that has automatic upgrades - i.e. some sort of script which will upgrade your distro to the next version without having to completely reinstall. I think I've been through one such upgrade cycle without any breakage. Gentoo it ain't, but on the other hand I value this seamless upgrade of Ubuntu as one of its plusses compared to other distros which require a re-installation. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Am 13.11.2011 19:26, schrieb Mick: On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 10:45:46 Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a year or something. If you want a *really* well tested and *really* stable linux binary distro, Debian stable is your friend :D I have a debian install on my home desktop (used by my sister and my parents); I choosed debian basically because I didn't wanted to bother: I just wanted to install and update once in a while. I'm really happy with it. Pros: - stable - tested - once configured, requires minimal maintenance. Basically, all you have to do is apt-get update apt-get upgrade once in while. It'll install only security fixes. No headaches, no massive breakage or something. At least, this is my experience. - easy and fast installation Cons: - softwares tend to be outdated on stable. On my debian stable I have Gnome 2.30.2, Firefox (iceweasel) 3.5.16, OpenOffice 3.2.1... Consider that debian stable versions are released, on average, every two years. - debian has its own way to do things. I had to get used to it... - the default DE is gnome; if you want kde you have to install yourself, and, needless to say, it is not the last version [1] The biggest cons about debian stable is outdated software... If you can cope with it/it is not a priority, give it a try. Otherwise, the previous suggestions (Ubuntu, Kubuntu, OpenSUSE etc) are all good choiches - stable, tested, up-to-date. [1] http://packages.debian.org/en/squeeze/kde-full From what I've come across Ubuntu seems to be the only distro that has automatic upgrades - i.e. some sort of script which will upgrade your distro to the next version without having to completely reinstall. I think I've been through one such upgrade cycle without any breakage. Gentoo it ain't, but on the other hand I value this seamless upgrade of Ubuntu as one of its plusses compared to other distros which require a re-installation. Scientific Linux (and probably all other RHEL clones) can do this, too. At least for updates of the minor version number (5.6 - 5.7, for example). This is more or less a middle ground: Between minor versions, binary compatibility is (mostly?) ensured, especially for libraries and runtime environments (great if you still need a python-2.4 installation with regular security fixes). Older major numbers are also still released and maintained after the next major update happened (e.g. 5.7 was released after 6.0), therefore you can update at your own convenience. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Am 12.11.2011 02:02, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:45:23 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: What happens when there is that one thing they need to do that needs root privileges? Do you give them the root password and let them do what they want, or do you make that one operation available to them? SETUID bit like /bin/ping or sudo itself? That being said, I'd also use sudo unless the usage is so frequent that the constant password typing becomes a pain. SETUID enables it for everyone, not just the user in question. You can set sudo to allow specified commands to be executed without a password. Well, you can limit execution to a single group. Some quick results from `find`: -rws--x--- 1 root messagebus 318656 23. Okt 10:44 /usr/libexec/dbus-daemon-launch-helper -rws--x--- 1 root squid 22824 2. Nov 20:26 /usr/libexec/squid/ncsa_auth -rws--x--- 1 root squid 18720 2. Nov 20:26 /usr/libexec/squid/pam_auth Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Saturday 12 Nov 2011 00:42:31 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:47:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If my ftp server stats are anything to go by, Linux Mint is the one power users are targeting right now. Number of downloads is a significant % of number of Ubuntu downloads. How much of that is a knee-jerk reaction to Unity, Mint being seen as Ubuntu without the new-fangled stuff we don't want to try to understand. After 5 minutes on my nieces' PC with a new Ubuntu Unity installation I had to switch off the machine and remove myself from the room until I calmed down. The swearing was too much for the family to bear! ;-) That said, the nieces seem completely at home with Unity and they like it more than the classic Ubuntu Gnome GUI. Tut, tut! Kids! I guess they will also like the MSWindows 8 GUI next. /sigh -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:42:31 + Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:47:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If my ftp server stats are anything to go by, Linux Mint is the one power users are targeting right now. Number of downloads is a significant % of number of Ubuntu downloads. How much of that is a knee-jerk reaction to Unity, Mint being seen as Ubuntu without the new-fangled stuff we don't want to try to understand. If the contents of my inbox are anything to go by, then the answer is quite a lot. The common thread lately is that people using Mint do not want to change just because for no good reason. Can't argue with that - gnome2 ain't broke so gnome3 isn't the fix. The solution is a fork. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:44:08 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: The common thread lately is that people using Mint do not want to change just because for no good reason. Can't argue with that - gnome2 ain't broke so gnome3 isn't the fix. The solution is a fork. Deja Vu, or should that be Keja Vu? -- Neil Bothwick Facts are stubborn, but statistics are more pliable signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Dale wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a year or something. My brother is liking Linux a lot. No more Norton to pop up and aggravate him and he can just surf wherever he wants for the most part. Once I get his emails moved over, windoze is going to take a loong nap. ;-) When I plug up the windoze drive, he dreads it. My sis-n-law is liking Kpat and I installed pysol today. She likes farming on facebook and card games. I think those two alone will keep her happy a long time. Thoughts? By the way, I have read some of the other messages but holding off on a reply in case something doesn't work like I want. I did get grub to come up when booting by hitting the shift key. Progress. I forgot my notes tho. lol Dale :-) :-)
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Install Ubuntu. It's easy to use, and doesn't need to be configured so much. It's also friendly for beginners and has lots of references on the web if something break. Also, it's normal look is prettier then Debian. Érico V. Porto On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:58 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Dale wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) One more question. What is a easy to install but WELL tested and STABLE binary distro? I'm thinking something that needs a update 2 or 3 times a year or something. My brother is liking Linux a lot. No more Norton to pop up and aggravate him and he can just surf wherever he wants for the most part. Once I get his emails moved over, windoze is going to take a loong nap. ;-) When I plug up the windoze drive, he dreads it. My sis-n-law is liking Kpat and I installed pysol today. She likes farming on facebook and card games. I think those two alone will keep her happy a long time. Thoughts? By the way, I have read some of the other messages but holding off on a reply in case something doesn't work like I want. I did get grub to come up when booting by hitting the shift key. Progress. I forgot my notes tho. lol Dale :-) :-)
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Érico Porto wrote: Install Ubuntu. It's easy to use, and doesn't need to be configured so much. It's also friendly for beginners and has lots of references on the web if something break. Also, it's normal look is prettier then Debian. Érico V. Porto Then I guess I did OK then. I got Kubuntu installed which I guess is Ubuntu with KDE as a default. It works good but just wanted to make sure I picked a good one. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
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Florian Philipp wrote: Am 12.11.2011 00:36, schrieb Dale: [...] Now to figure out why the windows in Kubuntu have no borders and no little X to close the window. sighs I hate the little details. Dale :-) :-) That is a typical symptom that the window manager is not running (probably crashed while loading some fancy window decorations). Try to execute `kwin` or `kwin --replace` in a terminal. Regards, Florian Philipp Well this is odd. When I booted it this time, it worked fine. The borders were back, the little X to close windows was there and I could switch desktops too. Odd, usually if something is broke on Linux, it is broke until it is fixed. Weird. Thanks for the help but glad I didn't need it. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Pandu Poluan pa...@poluan.info wrote: On Nov 11, 2011 5:17 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. Since you're already familiar with Gentoo, I would take a look at Sabayon. It's basically a binary Gentoo distro (and a gentoo overlay). +1 on familiarity. When you are ready to go to gentoo just update make.conf with your tweaks for the system (CFLAGS, USE, etc.) and run emerge --sync; emerge -ae world and you will have gentoo installed and configured. We all know about your (Dale's) daily, um, 'adventures' with Gentoo. So, going Sabayon should be a relative walk in the park for you. We don't really want to tax other Linux distro's mailing list, do we? ;-) It comes preconfigured just like ubuntu or others so you don't need to do anything, just install it and you'll have a working graphical desktop and lots of software. Super easy and all of the configuration is done Gentoo-style. They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions to choose from. I've only played with it briefly in a VM and tried the LiveDVD on my laptop, but I believe you can even still use emerge and use portage like you would in Gentoo. Indeed: http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=FAQ#Should_I_use_Sabayon_as_a_source-based_or_binary_based_distribution.3F Rgds, -- No trees were harmed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
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Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-done KDE implementation. Lorenzo Thanks for all the replies. Just picking a random message here. Since I had already started the download of Kubuntu, I installed it. It went pretty well considering I have never even seen it before. I found, by pure blind luck, the installer program and found Seamonkey after some searching. My brother seems to like everything just fine so now I got to work with my sis-n-law. As long as facebook's games work, she will be happy. Now to teach him how to update the thing. Dale :-) :-)
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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Now to teach him how to update the thing. Dale :-) :-) I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't want to deal with learning it. Let's see how that does for you. Again, remembering I didn't really give it much of a chance - I was running on a Power PC Mac Mini - two things that drove me mad were: 1) The basic install didn't tell me what the root password was. 2) All the management was done using sudo. I couldn't get past the idea that if something went wrong that with no root password what was I supposed to do? Now, I was absolutely sure at the time there had to be a way to set that myself, maybe as simple as sudo passwd - root or something like that, but I decided it just wasn't for me and tossed the machine in the garage rather than deal with it! :-) Cheers, Mark
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Mark Knecht wrote: On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP Now to teach him how to update the thing. Dale :-) :-) I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't want to deal with learning it. Let's see how that does for you. Again, remembering I didn't really give it much of a chance - I was running on a Power PC Mac Mini - two things that drove me mad were: 1) The basic install didn't tell me what the root password was. 2) All the management was done using sudo. I couldn't get past the idea that if something went wrong that with no root password what was I supposed to do? Now, I was absolutely sure at the time there had to be a way to set that myself, maybe as simple as sudo passwd - root or something like that, but I decided it just wasn't for me and tossed the machine in the garage rather than deal with it! :-) Cheers, Mark I have noticed the same points you found. I set up the user cutie during the install. I logged in as cutie then did sudo su -. That got me to root user. Yeppie ! Then I did passwd and typed in a root password. After that, I could login as root. I don't like not having the root password set. I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. ;-) I guess we have that in common. lol The update tool is GUI. That's why I think he can do that himself. A lot like winders in a way. Heck, if this works well and that intfs thingy gets on my nerves, may use it myself. :-( I may have found my next distro. I'm not leaving yet. I'm going to give the inity thingy a shot, maybe two. After that, kill shot. Dale :-) :-)
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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: SNIP I have noticed the same points you found. I set up the user cutie during the install. I logged in as cutie then did sudo su -. That got me to root user. Yeppie ! Then I did passwd and typed in a root password. After that, I could login as root. I don't like not having the root password set. I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. ;-) I guess we have that in common. lol The update tool is GUI. That's why I think he can do that himself. A lot like winders in a way. Heck, if this works well and that intfs thingy gets on my nerves, may use it myself. :-( I may have found my next distro. I'm not leaving yet. I'm going to give the inity thingy a shot, maybe two. After that, kill shot. Dale Yeah, I was pretty sure it must work normally if you either know what to do or take the time to go learn. In my case I was essentially deciding whether to bother with this really slow Mac Mini that I had almost never used since I bought it (my worst PC purchase in 30 years) or to essentially throw the thing away. In the end I opted for the virtual trash can. - Mark
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I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't want to deal with learning it. Let's see how that does for you. Again, remembering I didn't really give it much of a chance - I was running on a Power PC Mac Mini - two things that drove me mad were: 1) The basic install didn't tell me what the root password was. 2) All the management was done using sudo. I couldn't get past the idea that if something went wrong that with no root password what was I supposed to do? Now, I was absolutely sure at the time there had to be a way to set that myself, maybe as simple as sudo passwd - root or something like that, but I decided it just wasn't for me and tossed the machine in the garage rather than deal with it! :-) Cheers, Mark SNIP I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. ;-) I guess we have that in common. lol The update tool is GUI. That's why I think he can do that himself. A lot like winders in a way. Heck, if this works well and that intfs thingy gets on my nerves, may use it myself. :-( I may have found my next distro. I'm not leaving yet. I'm going to give the inity thingy a shot, maybe two. After that, kill shot. Dale I hate sudo, I never got the point in using it - and actually it is one of the thing that makes Ubuntu annoying to me. I'm not the only one, then! :D Howerer, I think that Ubuntu is one of the best distro for beginners (especially those coming from windows/os x), so it should work well for your brother. Basically, it is absolutely possible to run and update the distro without ever touching the terminal... Me, I find it too constraining. In regard to Sabayon, last time I tried it, I had the impression it was buggy, but it was three years ago... Actually, I'd like to give it a try one of these days :) Best regards, Lorenzo
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Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't want to deal with learning it. Let's see how that does for you. Again, remembering I didn't really give it much of a chance - I was running on a Power PC Mac Mini - two things that drove me mad were: 1) The basic install didn't tell me what the root password was. 2) All the management was done using sudo. I couldn't get past the idea that if something went wrong that with no root password what was I supposed to do? Now, I was absolutely sure at the time there had to be a way to set that myself, maybe as simple as sudo passwd - root or something like that, but I decided it just wasn't for me and tossed the machine in the garage rather than deal with it! :-) Cheers, Mark SNIP I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. ;-) I guess we have that in common. lol The update tool is GUI. That's why I think he can do that himself. A lot like winders in a way. Heck, if this works well and that intfs thingy gets on my nerves, may use it myself. :-( I may have found my next distro. I'm not leaving yet. I'm going to give the inity thingy a shot, maybe two. After that, kill shot. Dale I hate sudo, I never got the point in using it - and actually it is one of the thing that makes Ubuntu annoying to me. I'm not the only one, then! :D Howerer, I think that Ubuntu is one of the best distro for beginners (especially those coming from windows/os x), so it should work well for your brother. Basically, it is absolutely possible to run and update the distro without ever touching the terminal... Me, I find it too constraining. In regard to Sabayon, last time I tried it, I had the impression it was buggy, but it was three years ago... Actually, I'd like to give it a try one of these days :) Best regards, Lorenzo Us Gentooers are to much alike. lol Dale :-) :-)
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:49:54 +0100 Lorenzo Bandieri lorenzo.bandi...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be interested in hearing how that goes. I had one weekend running Ubuntu and ended up running away as fast as I could. It wasn't that it was bad or didn't work, but that the management of it seemed so different from any distro I'd run before that I didn't want to deal with learning it. Let's see how that does for you. Again, remembering I didn't really give it much of a chance - I was running on a Power PC Mac Mini - two things that drove me mad were: 1) The basic install didn't tell me what the root password was. 2) All the management was done using sudo. I couldn't get past the idea that if something went wrong that with no root password what was I supposed to do? Now, I was absolutely sure at the time there had to be a way to set that myself, maybe as simple as sudo passwd - root or something like that, but I decided it just wasn't for me and tossed the machine in the garage rather than deal with it! :-) Cheers, Mark SNIP I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. ;-) I guess we have that in common. lol The update tool is GUI. That's why I think he can do that himself. A lot like winders in a way. Heck, if this works well and that intfs thingy gets on my nerves, may use it myself. :-( I may have found my next distro. I'm not leaving yet. I'm going to give the inity thingy a shot, maybe two. After that, kill shot. Dale I hate sudo, I never got the point in using it - and actually it is one of the thing that makes Ubuntu annoying to me. I'm not the only one, then! :D Then you must be using a single-user machine. Like your own laptop or desktop. sudo is absolutely necessary on any multi-user machine unless you like security holes. Instead of bashing sudo, it's better to find out what problem it is designed to solve, then determine if you have that problem. It does have a point, and a very valuable one too, you just seem to not have seen it yet. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
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On Friday 11 Nov 2011 07:37:56 J. Roeleveld wrote: On Thu, November 10, 2011 8:03 pm, Dale wrote: SNIPPED Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol I think Sabayon would be a better option, but if you really want to go with *buntu/debian: - Install X # sudo apt-get install X - Update repository: # sudo apt-get update - Upgrade system: # sudo apt-get upgrade For major upgrades, you need to change to a different repository or something like that. I installed Gentoo on my netbook as I got really annoyed with the dodgy way ubuntu deals with this. Not to forget: sudo apt-get autoclean and yes, you'll need to get to grips with the various repos to install packages outside the vanilla version of any distro. I've installed Kubuntu on a laptop and a load of extra packages for web development. Have not heard any complaints for at least a year now. ;-) A point to note: Last time I used OpenSuse (must be 4 years ago or more) it did not seem to be as flexible as ?Ubuntu. There were all sort of dependency problems if you veered off the beaten track. Also back then there was no way to upgrade to the later version. It was a matter of reinstalling and reconfiguring. Things may have moved on since. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
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Then you must be using a single-user machine. Like your own laptop or desktop. sudo is absolutely necessary on any multi-user machine unless you like security holes. Instead of bashing sudo, it's better to find out what problem it is designed to solve, then determine if you have that problem. It does have a point, and a very valuable one too, you just seem to not have seen it yet. Yes, Alan, you're right, I'm on a single-user machine. I apologize, I should have made it clear. Indeed, I can see that in a multi-users machine sudo is useful. I just don't agree on the Ubuntu policy of using sudo instead of root by default, assuming that it provides more security. I don't want to start a flame war about sudo vs su, sorry if I sounded rough! Best regards, Lorenzo
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On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 11 Nov 2011 07:37:56 J. Roeleveld wrote: On Thu, November 10, 2011 8:03 pm, Dale wrote: SNIPPED Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol I think Sabayon would be a better option, but if you really want to go with *buntu/debian: - Install X # sudo apt-get install X - Update repository: # sudo apt-get update - Upgrade system: # sudo apt-get upgrade For major upgrades, you need to change to a different repository or something like that. I installed Gentoo on my netbook as I got really annoyed with the dodgy way ubuntu deals with this. Not to forget: sudo apt-get autoclean and yes, you'll need to get to grips with the various repos to install packages outside the vanilla version of any distro. I've installed Kubuntu on a laptop and a load of extra packages for web development. Have not heard any complaints for at least a year now. ;-) A point to note: Last time I used OpenSuse (must be 4 years ago or more) it did not seem to be as flexible as ?Ubuntu. There were all sort of dependency problems if you veered off the beaten track. Also back then there was no way to upgrade to the later version. It was a matter of reinstalling and reconfiguring. Things may have moved on since. Never used OpenSuse, but I've spent about ten years bouncing between Ubuntu and Debian. (I started using Ubuntu around either 5.04 or 6.06. Not sure.) While Ubuntu is usually among the first of the binary distros to support new things, it's been suffering more and more (and more!) decay when you wander off the beaten path. Over the last couple years, it's tended toward beating its own path, so knowledge and skills are becoming less portable if you're bouncing between Ubuntu and other distros, or even between Ubuntu and Debian. It's nice if you want something up and running fast, it's friendly to newbies, and it's friendly to some kinds of administrators, but it's *not* friendly to power users. -- :wq
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Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:49:54 +0100 Lorenzo Bandierilorenzo.bandi...@gmail.com wrote: I don't use sudo on my rig so it sort of annoys me. ;-) I guess we have that in common. lol The update tool is GUI. That's why I think he can do that himself. A lot like winders in a way. Heck, if this works well and that intfs thingy gets on my nerves, may use it myself. :-( I may have found my next distro. I'm not leaving yet. I'm going to give the inity thingy a shot, maybe two. After that, kill shot. Dale I hate sudo, I never got the point in using it - and actually it is one of the thing that makes Ubuntu annoying to me. I'm not the only one, then! :D Then you must be using a single-user machine. Like your own laptop or desktop. sudo is absolutely necessary on any multi-user machine unless you like security holes. Instead of bashing sudo, it's better to find out what problem it is designed to solve, then determine if you have that problem. It does have a point, and a very valuable one too, you just seem to not have seen it yet. Mine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but nothing else. That said, I know sudo fixes some problems and has its reason for existing. Me, its just like the init thingy, I haven't found a good reason yet to have one so no need adding it. That will likely change shortly but hopefully not today. I found a workaround on kubuntu tho. Just set the root password so you can login as root and carry on. ;-) Even I have a gas pocket in my brain from time to time. :-D Cheer up Alan. Dale :-) :-)
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Michael Mol wrote: Never used OpenSuse, but I've spent about ten years bouncing between Ubuntu and Debian. (I started using Ubuntu around either 5.04 or 6.06. Not sure.) While Ubuntu is usually among the first of the binary distros to support new things, it's been suffering more and more (and more!) decay when you wander off the beaten path. Over the last couple years, it's tended toward beating its own path, so knowledge and skills are becoming less portable if you're bouncing between Ubuntu and other distros, or even between Ubuntu and Debian. It's nice if you want something up and running fast, it's friendly to newbies, and it's friendly to some kinds of administrators, but it's *not* friendly to power users. I think this will suite my brother tho. They check email, weather and the news and my sis-n-law plays games on facebook. They both play card games which Linux has quite a few of. So, this is really what they need. Of course, if I find something better, I can backup the /home directory and install something else then restore the /home and carry on with something new. This is the beauty of Linux. If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done that on Linux a couple times with little problems. I'm just not sure about winders to Linux. Thanks. Ya'll gave me some good ideas for both now and in the future if I need to try something else. Dale :-) :-)
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Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done that on Linux a couple times with little problems. I'm just not sure about winders to Linux. I suggest using Mozilla's sync feature. It is dead simple and allegedly secure. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: ine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but nothing else. That said, I know sudo fixes some problems and has its reason for existing. Me, its just like the init thingy, I haven't found a good reason yet to have one so no need adding it. That will likely change shortly but hopefully not today. I found a workaround on kubuntu tho. Just set the root password so you can login as root and carry on. ;-) Even I have a gas pocket in my brain from time to time. :-D Yeah, that's the way you do it. I don't have sudo on my own machines for the same reason (except the Ubuntu ones, I can't be bothered removing it) but at work I'd be slaughtered by Risk if I didn't have it. Without sudo the only way to let users do anything more than what regular users can do is to give them the root password. Seeing as the root password is randomly generated, forgotten, and kept in a sealed envelope in a safe, that's not really an option. Sudo lets me fine-grain control exactly what users can do, like let the web team install and update sites, let team leaders update team crontabs, and more. Plus everything is logged. If some chop deletes important files, I want a timestamped record telling me who and when :-) So in a corporate environment, sudo is an absolute necessity. It's also very useful for personal machines, especially newbies. Having to enter their password every time encourages them to think about what they are running and treat root privs with a little more respect. It doesn't always work out though - I still have idiots on the above-mentioned multi-user machines who blindly run apt-get install gnome on a SuSE host. At least they can't argue when I call them on it (due to the magic feature called logs) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:10:27 +0100 Lorenzo Bandieri lorenzo.bandi...@gmail.com wrote: Then you must be using a single-user machine. Like your own laptop or desktop. sudo is absolutely necessary on any multi-user machine unless you like security holes. Instead of bashing sudo, it's better to find out what problem it is designed to solve, then determine if you have that problem. It does have a point, and a very valuable one too, you just seem to not have seen it yet. Yes, Alan, you're right, I'm on a single-user machine. I apologize, I should have made it clear. No worries :-) Indeed, I can see that in a multi-users machine sudo is useful. I just don't agree on the Ubuntu policy of using sudo instead of root by default, assuming that it provides more security. I don't want to start a flame war about sudo vs su, sorry if I sounded rough! Well, it's worth discussing, as sudo on Ubuntu *does* improve security, but you have to think a little about how first. It's not IT security it provides, it's human security. As I mentioned to Dale, it encourages people to think a little more about what they are doing. It's not perfect, but nothing is. Unix has always been very strong on initial authentication and rather weak on authorization thereafter. If you can prove you know the root password, you get the keys to the kingdom until the end of time (defined as logout) - it's an all or nothing approach which obviously cannot possibly fit RealLife. sudo may or may not implement an authorization scheme that's suitable for use, but the need for it is undeniable. It's easy to get authorization completely wrong and go over the top, take SE-Linux. It's very design and complexity encourages sysadmins to find ways to switch it off! And they mostly do - with a single boot parameter in grub -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:14:57 -0500 Michael Mol mike...@gmail.com wrote: Never used OpenSuse, but I've spent about ten years bouncing between Ubuntu and Debian. (I started using Ubuntu around either 5.04 or 6.06. Not sure.) While Ubuntu is usually among the first of the binary distros to support new things, it's been suffering more and more (and more!) decay when you wander off the beaten path. Over the last couple years, it's tended toward beating its own path, so knowledge and skills are becoming less portable if you're bouncing between Ubuntu and other distros, or even between Ubuntu and Debian. It's nice if you want something up and running fast, it's friendly to newbies, and it's friendly to some kinds of administrators, but it's *not* friendly to power users. If my ftp server stats are anything to go by, Linux Mint is the one power users are targeting right now. Number of downloads is a significant % of number of Ubuntu downloads. Myself, I've given Ubuntu a decent 10 week trial. And I'm sick of it already. I'm not even using 11.04, this is 10.10 with classic gnome 2 and I miss Gentoo so much it hurts :-) As soon as my new laptop arrives, Gentoo is going right on it. I'm going to miss this Samsung Series 9 Airbook-knockoff hardware but the software on it will get deep sixed with nary a backward glance... -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
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Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done that on Linux a couple times with little problems. I'm just not sure about winders to Linux. I suggest using Mozilla's sync feature. It is dead simple and allegedly secure. Regards, Florian Philipp I wasn't aware it had that. I looked on mine here and can't find it. Where is it? This would be awesome if it works. Dale :-) :-)
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Alan McKinnon wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: ine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but nothing else. That said, I know sudo fixes some problems and has its reason for existing. Me, its just like the init thingy, I haven't found a good reason yet to have one so no need adding it. That will likely change shortly but hopefully not today. I found a workaround on kubuntu tho. Just set the root password so you can login as root and carry on. ;-) Even I have a gas pocket in my brain from time to time. :-D Yeah, that's the way you do it. I don't have sudo on my own machines for the same reason (except the Ubuntu ones, I can't be bothered removing it) but at work I'd be slaughtered by Risk if I didn't have it. Without sudo the only way to let users do anything more than what regular users can do is to give them the root password. Seeing as the root password is randomly generated, forgotten, and kept in a sealed envelope in a safe, that's not really an option. Sudo lets me fine-grain control exactly what users can do, like let the web team install and update sites, let team leaders update team crontabs, and more. Plus everything is logged. If some chop deletes important files, I want a timestamped record telling me who and when :-) So in a corporate environment, sudo is an absolute necessity. It's also very useful for personal machines, especially newbies. Having to enter their password every time encourages them to think about what they are running and treat root privs with a little more respect. It doesn't always work out though - I still have idiots on the above-mentioned multi-user machines who blindly run apt-get install gnome on a SuSE host. At least they can't argue when I call them on it (due to the magic feature called logs) Then I can see the benefits of sudo where they is a division of labor for sure. I don't know how it works exactly but I knew it allowed regular users to run CERTAIN things that root as given them access to. I didn't know about the logs tho. If I was running a server where there were several people doing different things that I would never be able to do alone, then sudo would be the tool. I just hope I never have to worry about learning it TO much. ;-) Now to figure out why the windows in Kubuntu have no borders and no little X to close the window. sighs I hate the little details. Dale :-) :-)
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Am 12.11.2011 00:28, schrieb Dale: Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done that on Linux a couple times with little problems. I'm just not sure about winders to Linux. I suggest using Mozilla's sync feature. It is dead simple and allegedly secure. Regards, Florian Philipp I wasn't aware it had that. I looked on mine here and can't find it. Where is it? This would be awesome if it works. Dale :-) :-) Edit-Settings-Sync. There you can create a user account. If it is not there, you are probably still running 3.6. Then you can install the plugin here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/firefox-sync/ Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Am 12.11.2011 00:36, schrieb Dale: [...] Now to figure out why the windows in Kubuntu have no borders and no little X to close the window. sighs I hate the little details. Dale :-) :-) That is a typical symptom that the window manager is not running (probably crashed while loading some fancy window decorations). Try to execute `kwin` or `kwin --replace` in a terminal. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Florian Philipp wrote: Am 12.11.2011 00:28, schrieb Dale: Florian Philipp wrote: Am 11.11.2011 21:25, schrieb Dale: If I copy the WHOLE .mozilla directory from winders to Linux, won't that keep all their settings, passwords, bookmarks and email? I have done that on Linux a couple times with little problems. I'm just not sure about winders to Linux. I suggest using Mozilla's sync feature. It is dead simple and allegedly secure. Regards, Florian Philipp I wasn't aware it had that. I looked on mine here and can't find it. Where is it? This would be awesome if it works. Dale :-) :-) Edit-Settings-Sync. There you can create a user account. If it is not there, you are probably still running 3.6. Then you can install the plugin here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/firefox-sync/ Regards, Florian Philipp Houston, we have a problem. I'm using Seamonkey not Firefox. Now I know why I couldn't find it. lol The email is the biggest thing I wanted to save. Then again, their passwords would be nice too. Dale :-) :-)
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600, Dale wrote: Mine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but nothing else. What happens when there is that one thing they need to do that needs root privileges? Do you give them the root password and let them do what they want, or do you make that one operation available to them? -- Neil Bothwick Windows XP took us to the edge of the cliff. With Windows Vista we took a big step forward. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:10:27 +0100, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: Yes, Alan, you're right, I'm on a single-user machine. I apologize, I should have made it clear. Indeed, I can see that in a multi-users machine sudo is useful. I just don't agree on the Ubuntu policy of using sudo instead of root by default, assuming that it provides more security. Ubuntu is designed for Linux newbies, those conditioned to the Windows way of working. Give them a root password and they will soon get fed up with typing it whenever they need to do $something and just log into the desktop as root. It is easy enough to enable root access in Ubuntu, but you do have to work out how to break it for yourself. -- Neil Bothwick Diarrhoea is hereditary, it runs in your genes. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:47:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: If my ftp server stats are anything to go by, Linux Mint is the one power users are targeting right now. Number of downloads is a significant % of number of Ubuntu downloads. How much of that is a knee-jerk reaction to Unity, Mint being seen as Ubuntu without the new-fangled stuff we don't want to try to understand. -- Neil Bothwick This universe is sold by mass, not by volume. Some expansion may have occurred during shipment signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Am 12.11.2011 01:27, schrieb Neil Bothwick: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600, Dale wrote: Mine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but nothing else. What happens when there is that one thing they need to do that needs root privileges? Do you give them the root password and let them do what they want, or do you make that one operation available to them? SETUID bit like /bin/ping or sudo itself? That being said, I'd also use sudo unless the usage is so frequent that the constant password typing becomes a pain. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:45:23 +0100, Florian Philipp wrote: What happens when there is that one thing they need to do that needs root privileges? Do you give them the root password and let them do what they want, or do you make that one operation available to them? SETUID bit like /bin/ping or sudo itself? That being said, I'd also use sudo unless the usage is so frequent that the constant password typing becomes a pain. SETUID enables it for everyone, not just the user in question. You can set sudo to allow specified commands to be executed without a password. -- Neil Bothwick Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:10:27 +0100, Lorenzo Bandieri wrote: Yes, Alan, you're right, I'm on a single-user machine. I apologize, I should have made it clear. Indeed, I can see that in a multi-users machine sudo is useful. I just don't agree on the Ubuntu policy of using sudo instead of root by default, assuming that it provides more security. Ubuntu is designed for Linux newbies, those conditioned to the Windows way of working. Give them a root password and they will soon get fed up with typing it whenever they need to do $something and just log into the desktop as root. It is easy enough to enable root access in Ubuntu, but you do have to work out how to break it for yourself. I worked it out then. lol Dale :-) :-)
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Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:45 -0600, Dale wrote: Mine is a single user machine both for me and my brother. That said, if I did have other users on my machine, they wouldn't even be in the wheel group so sudo wouldn't happen either. They would be able to do user things but nothing else. What happens when there is that one thing they need to do that needs root privileges? Do you give them the root password and let them do what they want, or do you make that one operation available to them? I would do it myself. I don't let anyone mess with my OS. I might let someone surf the net with my rig or use OOo or something but not the OS itself. They would get over it I'm sure. lol Dale :-) :-)
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Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-)
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:25:11 -0600 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? Almost any general-purpose distro out there will have those. It really doesn't matter which one you pick so go with the one that has wallpapers your brother likes. Hey, seeing as the distro itself is not so relevant actually, you might as well pick any old arbitrary differentiator. Wallpapers are as good as any. I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
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Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:25:11 -0600 Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? Almost any general-purpose distro out there will have those. It really doesn't matter which one you pick so go with the one that has wallpapers your brother likes. Hey, seeing as the distro itself is not so relevant actually, you might as well pick any old arbitrary differentiator. Wallpapers are as good as any. Thanks Alan. I'm downloading Kubuntu. I picked the CD version since I think it will have what I need. I wanted to install Mandriva since I have used it before and sort of know how it works but since it won't complete the install, gotta pick something else. lol The biggest thing is that I didn't want to have to compile a lot of stuff. I just don't like the small heat sink the CPU has. It might be OK for winders but compiling OOo for 12 hours may cause a heat problem. ;-) My brother has to have OOo too. Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol Dale :-) :-)
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Am 10.11.2011 19:25, schrieb Dale: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. I looked at Kubuntu, Ubuntu and tried to install Mandriva. Mandriva got to a point and just froze up on me. I tried three times and it did the same thing each time so no clue what is going on there. Ideas? Dale :-) :-) If you want something carefree for a long time, you might want to look at Scientific Linux. The name is a bit misleading. It is really just a very nice RHEL clone developed at CERN, FermiLab et.al. Bonus points for supporting their old versions till hell freezes over. Just install one of the auxiliary repositories to get media codecs and you have a full consumer distro with the stability of an enterprise distro. They also have a nice and knowledgeable mailing list. https://www.scientificlinux.org/ Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-done KDE implementation. Lorenzo
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Am Donnerstag, 10. November 2011, 21:04:46 schrieb Lorenzo Bandieri: So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy Well, surely Kubuntu would be a nice choice, but can I suggest OpenSuse? I installed it something like two years ago (I was curious) and I liked it. It has a well-done KDE implementation. +1 there were some kubuntu versions with a really bad kde integration. I don't remember the details and afaik that has changed, but I never had any problems with OpenSuse. My parents-in-law use it and they seem to be very happy with it. Lorenzo Best, Michael
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. Since you're already familiar with Gentoo, I would take a look at Sabayon. It's basically a binary Gentoo distro (and a gentoo overlay). It comes preconfigured just like ubuntu or others so you don't need to do anything, just install it and you'll have a working graphical desktop and lots of software. Super easy and all of the configuration is done Gentoo-style. They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions to choose from. I've only played with it briefly in a VM and tried the LiveDVD on my laptop, but I believe you can even still use emerge and use portage like you would in Gentoo.
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions Sorry for my mental slip... by GTK I meant Gnome :) And I left out E17 as well.
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On Nov 11, 2011 5:17 AM, Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, This is maybe a bit off topic but here goes. I want to install Linux on my brothers rig. The heat sink on the CPU is not much, OEM type. I don't want to install Gentoo because of that and it is a older rig with a slow CPU and not a lot of ram either. So, what is a easy to install distro that has KDE4, Seamonkey, gtkam, GIMP and such? I want something easy because I want to install and leave it be until he can get a new rig built. Then I'll be installing Gentoo for a more permanent install. Since you're already familiar with Gentoo, I would take a look at Sabayon. It's basically a binary Gentoo distro (and a gentoo overlay). +1 on familiarity. We all know about your (Dale's) daily, um, 'adventures' with Gentoo. So, going Sabayon should be a relative walk in the park for you. We don't really want to tax other Linux distro's mailing list, do we? ;-) It comes preconfigured just like ubuntu or others so you don't need to do anything, just install it and you'll have a working graphical desktop and lots of software. Super easy and all of the configuration is done Gentoo-style. They have GTK, KDE and XFCE versions to choose from. I've only played with it briefly in a VM and tried the LiveDVD on my laptop, but I believe you can even still use emerge and use portage like you would in Gentoo. Indeed: http://wiki.sabayon.org/index.php?title=FAQ#Should_I_use_Sabayon_as_a_source-based_or_binary_based_distribution.3F Rgds,
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On Thu, November 10, 2011 8:03 pm, Dale wrote: SNIPPED Any tips or tricks on Kubuntu anyone? Sort of a basic 'this is how you update/install something for idiots' type thing. lol I think Sabayon would be a better option, but if you really want to go with *buntu/debian: - Install X # sudo apt-get install X - Update repository: # sudo apt-get update - Upgrade system: # sudo apt-get upgrade For major upgrades, you need to change to a different repository or something like that. I installed Gentoo on my netbook as I got really annoyed with the dodgy way ubuntu deals with this. -- Joost
