Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Homebuilt Mobo bundles

2009-11-06 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Freitag 06 November 2009, Harry Putnam wrote:
 walt w41...@gmail.com writes:
  One caution there -- newer computer hardware demands a great deal of
  power, and older power supplies may not be up to the task. Don't try
  to squeak by with a wimpy power supply.
 
  I thought maybe a mobo bundle would be a good starting place...
 
  I've been building my own for years. and the choice of motherboard
  has always been easy:  I buy the mobo and CPU on sale that day at
  Fry's ;o)  (Do you know Fry's?)  But I buy the best RAM available
  because it's worth the few extra bucks.
 
 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:
 
 [...]
 
  that bundle looks ok, but you will need a new psu.
  And with ok I mean the hardware, not the price.
 
 I kind of overpowered the original setup back when I bought it,
 somewhere like 200[12].  It's an antec 430 w.  But that is probably
 wimpy by now.  Back then it was well above the standard stuff, which
 were more like 230 w.
 

430W should be ok, The problem is that they are the wrong 430W. Back then most 
load was on 3.3V and 5V. Today PSUs have several 12V 'lines' just because the 
load on 12V is so huge. Also I am not sure that your old PSU has all the 
connectors needed (24 pin ATX, 4/8pin P8). 

So, while the output will be enough (I have a 955, 8gb ram, a 3870, several 
harddisks and a 450W PSU. Some time ago I measured loads with 4gb and a X2 
6000 which has the same TDP. Max load was ~300W - and I had to do stupid stuff 
to reach that. Max load compiling/gaming was around 200W), it is not the kind 
the system needs. No mobo today cares about 30A on 5V. But they want as many 
Ampere on 12V as possible.

So, you should think about a nice, non-cheap 450-500W psu.



[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Homebuilt Mobo bundles

2009-11-05 Thread walt
On 11/05/2009 12:59 PM, Harry Putnam wrote:
 I guess that could be seen as a kind of spam.  I hope not.
 
 Further, so far as googling this kind of help or info.  There is so
 damn much out there.. its too hard to tell what is good or even real.
 
 So here it is:
 
 I have a recently dead Intel P4 winxp box, I've got it completely
 stipped dowm, mobo out etc.  Its a mid tower antex box.. nice size and
 fairly easy to work inside of.

One caution there -- newer computer hardware demands a great deal of
power, and older power supplies may not be up to the task. Don't try
to squeak by with a wimpy power supply.

 
 I thought maybe a mobo bundle would be a good starting place...

I've been building my own for years. and the choice of motherboard
has always been easy:  I buy the mobo and CPU on sale that day at
Fry's ;o)  (Do you know Fry's?)  But I buy the best RAM available
because it's worth the few extra bucks.

The latest and greatest new hardware may not be supported by any
open source OS, so you may not want the latest hot mobo. I'd say
avoid any mobo less that a year or so old.  (The ones on sale at
Fry's meet than criterion perfectly, as you'd expect.)

I'm sure more advice will be forthcoming :o)




[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Homebuilt Mobo bundles

2009-11-05 Thread Harry Putnam
walt w41...@gmail.com writes:

 One caution there -- newer computer hardware demands a great deal of
 power, and older power supplies may not be up to the task. Don't try
 to squeak by with a wimpy power supply.

 
 I thought maybe a mobo bundle would be a good starting place...

 I've been building my own for years. and the choice of motherboard
 has always been easy:  I buy the mobo and CPU on sale that day at
 Fry's ;o)  (Do you know Fry's?)  But I buy the best RAM available
 because it's worth the few extra bucks.

Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com writes:

[...]

 that bundle looks ok, but you will need a new psu.
 And with ok I mean the hardware, not the price.

I kind of overpowered the original setup back when I bought it,
somewhere like 200[12].  It's an antec 430 w.  But that is probably
wimpy by now.  Back then it was well above the standard stuff, which
were more like 230 w.