[gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /

2009-06-11 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 06/11/2009 10:06 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 00:44:51 schrieb Philip Webb:

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Alexander Pilipovsky wrote:

But how many space on hard disk for it will be good?

I haven't followed this thread in detail, but has anyone suggested LVM ?


No. I'm so used to it I can't even imagine that people still use DOS style
partitions ;)


I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk 
activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute 
while without LVM they give sub-second responses.)





Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /

2009-06-11 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:33:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:

 I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk
 activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute
 while without LVM they give sub-second responses.)

Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen this and I use LVM since it first appeared 
on Linux. On Laptops, I even encrypt the logical volumes without a significant 
speed impact.

Bye...

Dirk


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /

2009-06-11 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
 Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:33:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
  I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk
  activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute
  while without LVM they give sub-second responses.)

 Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen this and I use LVM since it first
 appeared on Linux. On Laptops, I even encrypt the logical volumes without a
 significant speed impact.

 Bye...

   Dirk

or you never 'saw' the impact because you are used to it.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /

2009-06-11 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:49:02 schrieb Volker Armin Hemmann:
 or you never 'saw' the impact because you are used to it.

Errh, no.

Bye...

Dirk


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[gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /

2009-06-11 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 06/11/2009 10:40 AM, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

Am Donnerstag 11 Juni 2009 09:33:46 schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:


I tried too but it slows down disk speed to a crawl when there's disk
activity by an order of magnitude (commands take 3-4 seconds to execute
while without LVM they give sub-second responses.)


Hmm, that's strange. I've never seen this and I use LVM since it first appeared
on Linux. On Laptops, I even encrypt the logical volumes without a significant
speed impact.


It's only there where's disk activity.  For example, if I have 4 or more 
torrents downloading.  When that happens, typing mc (to start midnight 
commander) needs about 4 seconds.  It's almost instant without LVM.


The speed impact on one of my servers (100+ shell users) was dramatic. 
10 seconds for a simple ls / for example.





Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /

2009-06-11 Thread Mike Kazantsev
On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:17:37 +0300
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de wrote:

 It's only there where's disk activity.  For example, if I have 4 or more 
 torrents downloading.  When that happens, typing mc (to start midnight 
 commander) needs about 4 seconds.  It's almost instant without LVM.
 
 The speed impact on one of my servers (100+ shell users) was dramatic. 
 10 seconds for a simple ls / for example.

It's not like LVM is modelling the universe' operation on your CPU, but
that's where impact should be, while disk activity (and data written)
should be roughly the same, aside from possible fragmentation if you
(re)create lv's on a daily basis, so prehaps it's not the disk but the
cpu where's the real bottleneck is?

-- 
Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net


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[gentoo-user] Re: Lost free space on /

2009-06-11 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 06/11/2009 04:52 PM, Mike Kazantsev wrote:

On Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:17:37 +0300
Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de  wrote:


It's only there where's disk activity.  For example, if I have 4 or more
torrents downloading.  When that happens, typing mc (to start midnight
commander) needs about 4 seconds.  It's almost instant without LVM.

The speed impact on one of my servers (100+ shell users) was dramatic.
10 seconds for a simple ls / for example.


It's not like LVM is modelling the universe' operation on your CPU, but
that's where impact should be, while disk activity (and data written)
should be roughly the same, aside from possible fragmentation if you
(re)create lv's on a daily basis, so prehaps it's not the disk but the
cpu where's the real bottleneck is?


I know it's not the CPU since there's 'top' to check this.