[gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vim's great, but sometimes you just want vi. I know a few people who swear by elvis, but I'm a little disappointed that portage lacks good ol' BSD vi (unless I'm missing it). http://www.vim.org/viusers.php What do I put in my ~/.vimrc to make the process use an order of magnitude less memory? Like I said: Vim's great, but SOMETIMES you just want vi (emphasis added). I orignally held the same position, but an argument with a former supervisor (a BSD hacker with more Unix cred than I'll ever have) convinced me that both editors have their place. -Eamon -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:34:45 +0100 Digby Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Anyway, what has been bugging me about the vi imposter on gentoo is | this gawdy psychadelic colourisation Try one of these in your vimrc: set background=dark set background=light Or possibly: colorscheme darkblue Or possibly: colorscheme elflord -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgptdeIe6TNxE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:09:43 -0400 Walter Dnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Here's a patch you probably *WON'T* acceptg. Warning, some coarse | language... http://dev.gentoo.org/~lewk/img/vim.gif *sigh* what makes that really pathetic is that we already have vimgor, which is an actual implementation of a paperclip for vim but a heck of a lot funnier. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgpaQhiawkSgr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
Eamon Caddigan wrote: Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:16:41 + (UTC) Eamon Caddigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Vim's great, but sometimes you just want vi.=20 That's a shame, because I removed (traditional) vi from the tree. Your choices are Vim, nvi, elvis or fixing traditional vi to work with terminfo rather than termcap and submitting a bug with a patch. Can't you tell vim to act like good ol' vi? Is it still not good ol' vi, no matter how much they try and make it like it? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
Since we are discussing this I too am used to (and quite happy with) vi. It does what I want. Since moving to gentoo I have continued to type 'vi' when I want to edit a text file, in blissful ignorance of the fact that this is now a sym link to vim - or at least should have been.. Now this would have been fine if vim were a superset which, when invoked with the old name, behaved sensibly... appart from having to put up with the unnecessary bloat, ie -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2041860 Apr 19 01:26 /usr/bin/vim -r-xr-xr-x 3 bin bin 225280 Jan 21 1997 /usr/bin/vi which does make a difference when you still have old machines running with 4Mb of ram... Even vi seemed big after 'ed'. Anyway, what has been bugging me about the vi imposter on gentoo is this gawdy psychadelic colourisation It seems that whatever colour scheme I choose for my xterms, some important part of my source file disappears because it is displayed in the background colour, or in something with very poor contrast over the background colour :-/ I don't know why other people arn't bitten by this. Perhaps it is something to do with the fact that I use a propper networked X terminal rather than sitting in the same room as my server. It has been so annoying that I have often resorted to copying files onto an old BSD machine to edit them, and then copy them back. So.. what is the secret to stopying vim from displaying text in in invisible colours? And how can I tell it to stop messing with the colours at all... I can't find anything in the man page, '-C' doesn't inhibit colourisation, nor does setting my TERM type to 'ansi' and don't really want to have to resort to reading extensive documentation on an application I wouldn't need if I had vi (there is still too much I have to read up on for things that I actually do want to know about...) Sorry if that sounds a bit whining, but it has been annoying me this afternoon, so I couldn't resist the chance to have a whinge when it came up on the list.. Regards, DigbyT On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 08:43:27PM +0200, Antoine wrote: Eamon Caddigan wrote: Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:16:41 + (UTC) Eamon Caddigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Vim's great, but sometimes you just want vi.=20 That's a shame, because I removed (traditional) vi from the tree. Your choices are Vim, nvi, elvis or fixing traditional vi to work with terminfo rather than termcap and submitting a bug with a patch. Can't you tell vim to act like good ol' vi? Is it still not good ol' vi, no matter how much they try and make it like it? Cheers Antoine -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Digby R. S. Tarvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.digbyt.com -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
On Thu, Apr 21, 2005 at 10:34:45PM +0100, Digby Tarvin wrote: So.. what is the secret to stopying vim from displaying text in in invisible colours? And how can I tell it to stop messing with the colours at all... I can't find anything in the man page, '-C' doesn't inhibit colourisation, nor does setting my TERM type to 'ansi' and don't really want to have to resort to reading extensive documentation on an application I wouldn't need if I had vi (there is still too much I have to read up on for things that I actually do want to know about...) Try reading the vim manual sometimes q= [ESC] :help [RETURN] Just put syntax off into your ~/.vimrc or, if you want to make it site-wide, change the line from syntax on to syntax off in /etc/vim/vimrc W -- * Address: 45 Spelman Hall, Princeton University 08544 * * Phone: x68958 AIM: AngularJerk* *E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: sep.dynalias.net * AlexMc: Physics? Physics is EZ.. M: The Langrangian is self evident. AlexMc: Well... not that easy. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 10 days, 8:02 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
Dave Nebinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: emerge -pv vim It seems to respond to vi at the command line. I had the same question a couple of days ago... It only seems the same. There was a vi package (don't remember the origins of it), but it was only a basic vi implementation. Vim is Vi-iMproved and includes all the nice features i.e. syntax highlighting, etc. Vim's great, but sometimes you just want vi. I know a few people who swear by elvis, but I'm a little disappointed that portage lacks good ol' BSD vi (unless I'm missing it). -Eamon -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:16:41 + (UTC) Eamon Caddigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Vim's great, but sometimes you just want vi. That's a shame, because I removed (traditional) vi from the tree. Your choices are Vim, nvi, elvis or fixing traditional vi to work with terminfo rather than termcap and submitting a bug with a patch. -- Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Fluxbox, shell tools) Mail: ciaranm at gentoo.org Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm pgp1ZHuLH2BWc.pgp Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
Ciaran McCreesh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:16:41 + (UTC) Eamon Caddigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Vim's great, but sometimes you just want vi.=20 That's a shame, because I removed (traditional) vi from the tree. Your choices are Vim, nvi, elvis or fixing traditional vi to work with terminfo rather than termcap and submitting a bug with a patch. That's all? I'll get right on it. -Eamon -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: vi is mising from the portage
On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Eamon Caddigan wrote: I know a few people who swear by elvis, but I'm a little disappointed that portage lacks good ol' BSD vi (unless I'm missing it). Yes, Im regularly annoyed by vi on BSD boxes... vim rocks. -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
