Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-24 Thread Steven Lembark

 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).
 
 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.
 
 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

Fvwm is lightweight.

Make a point of compiling the kernel without anything
you don't need; if you might need something then make
it a module.

Don't run daemon's you don't really need. For example,
log into the command line and use startx or xinit
rather than having the thing boot into an X11 login.

Use a large amount of swap compared to ram (with your
drive maybe 2G) and avoid tmpfs for working storage.

If all you're using the thing for is surfing or basic
development then it should work fine. The old standard
for using X11 was a minimum 12MB of core and 40MB disk.
For a long time that was difficult, then IDE came along
and big disks got cheaper :-)

-- 
Steven Lembark85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lemb...@wrkhors.com  +1 888 359 3508



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-24 Thread Steven Lembark

 I believe he means that generally speaking, trying to build OO from
 source on a low-end (and especially low RAM) machine is ill-advised and
 can often be the cause of build failures as OO is well known to require
 a lot of RAM and hdd space while it compiles.

He has plenty of disk. It may use a lot of
virtual memory, but with sufficient swap it
will [eventually] get done.

-- 
Steven Lembark85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lemb...@wrkhors.com  +1 888 359 3508



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-24 Thread Steven Lembark

 OK folks, all have a seat please.  I ran a full blown KDE on a 133Mhz
 machine with 256Mbs of ram.  A friend if mine played Solitaire on it and
 it worked well.  It even had sound on it. 

I started running fvwm on a 486 w/ 16MB of core and
a pair of 20MB disk drives (one RLL one MFM). Face
it: we've all become addicted to amounts of RAM that
didn't even exist on the planet 25 years ago, let
alone disk :-)

-- 
Steven Lembark85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lemb...@wrkhors.com  +1 888 359 3508



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-24 Thread Dale
Steven Lembark wrote:
 OK folks, all have a seat please.  I ran a full blown KDE on a 133Mhz
 machine with 256Mbs of ram.  A friend if mine played Solitaire on it and
 it worked well.  It even had sound on it. 
 

 I started running fvwm on a 486 w/ 16MB of core and
 a pair of 20MB disk drives (one RLL one MFM). Face
 it: we've all become addicted to amounts of RAM that
 didn't even exist on the planet 25 years ago, let
 alone disk :-)

   

But when was this?  Mine was about a year ago or so.

Dale

:-)  :-)



[gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Grant Edwards
I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
got a decent hard drive (160GB).

I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
like TuxRacer.

I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

-- 
Grant Edwards   grante Yow! I just remembered
  at   something about a TOAD!
   visi.com




Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote:
 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).

 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.

 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

My biggest suggestion for a slow machine is: distcc



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).

 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.

 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than 
xfce+openoffice.

And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time and 
you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It 
does not need less ram nor does it run faster.




Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Nick Cunningham
2009/1/20 Paul Hartman
paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.compaul.hartman%2bgen...@gmail.com


 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Grant Edwards gra...@visi.com wrote:
  I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
  machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
  Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
  FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
  got a decent hard drive (160GB).
 
  I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
  getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
  used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
  nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
  like TuxRacer.
 
  I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
  OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
  package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
  would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

 My biggest suggestion for a slow machine is: distcc


For something that slow even distcc wont do that much good, there are a
number or packages that dont like distcc, and things like configure scripts
will still run on the slow pc. A better option would be to use a faster pc
to create binary packages and then point the slower pc to the binary repo,
that way to doesnt even have to try and compile anything (which imo is
crazy, im surprised OO hasnt crashed and run out of memory during its
compile!).

Do some digging, theres guides on the gentoo forums and the wiki i think for
setting up binpkg hosts.

- Nick


Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).

 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.

 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

 if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
 xfce+openoffice.

 And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time and
 you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It
 does not need less ram nor does it run faster.

OOo from source uses the Go-Oo.org patch set, the binary does not (AFAIK)

but, yes, watching compile die after an hour (or 20) is no fun :P



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Alejandro
2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com

 On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
  I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
  machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
  Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
  FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
  got a decent hard drive (160GB).
 
  I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
  getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
  used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
  nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
  like TuxRacer.
 
  I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
  OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
  package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
  would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

 if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
 xfce+openoffice.

 And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time
 and
 you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It
 does not need less ram nor does it run faster.



installing ooo from source is unsupport How is this? Maybe you
missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin


Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Nick Cunningham
2009/1/20 Alejandro elcorreode...@gmail.com



 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com

 On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
  I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
  machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
  Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
  FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
  got a decent hard drive (160GB).
 
  I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
  getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
  used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
  nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
  like TuxRacer.
 
  I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
  OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
  package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
  would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

 if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
 xfce+openoffice.

 And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time
 and
 you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
 It
 does not need less ram nor does it run faster.



 installing ooo from source is unsupport How is this? Maybe you
 missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin


I believe he means that generally speaking, trying to build OO from source
on a low-end (and especially low RAM) machine is ill-advised and can often
be the cause of build failures as OO is well known to require a lot of RAM
and hdd space while it compiles.

- Nick


Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com

  On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
   I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
   machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
   Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
   FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
   got a decent hard drive (160GB).
  
   I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
   getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
   used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
   nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
   like TuxRacer.
  
   I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
   OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
   package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
   would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
 
  if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
  xfce+openoffice.
 
  And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
  time and
  you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
  It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.

 installing ooo from source is unsupport How is this? Maybe you
 missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=123104511608102w=2





Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Nick Cunningham n...@monkeydust.net wrote:


 2009/1/20 Alejandro elcorreode...@gmail.com


 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com

 On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
  I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
  machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
  Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
  FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
  got a decent hard drive (160GB).
 
  I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
  getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
  used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
  nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
  like TuxRacer.
 
  I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
  OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
  package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
  would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

 if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
 xfce+openoffice.

 And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
 time and
 you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
 It
 does not need less ram nor does it run faster.



 installing ooo from source is unsupport How is this? Maybe you
 missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin

 I believe he means that generally speaking, trying to build OO from source
 on a low-end (and especially low RAM) machine is ill-advised and can often
 be the cause of build failures as OO is well known to require a lot of RAM
 and hdd space while it compiles.

 - Nick


I know it needs 5gb+ of tmpdir space, but compiling it with 256mb may
be futile :)



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Paul Hartman
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
 2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com

  On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
   I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
   machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
   Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
   FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
   got a decent hard drive (160GB).
  
   I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
   getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
   used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
   nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
   like TuxRacer.
  
   I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
   OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
   package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
   would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
 
  if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than
  xfce+openoffice.
 
  And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
  time and
  you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster.
  It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.

 installing ooo from source is unsupport How is this? Maybe you
 missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin

 http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=123104511608102w=2





I think that (old) mask quoted in that person's message is because
OpenOffice before 2.0.4 did not support 64-bit compiling at all.



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
 On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann

 volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
  On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
  2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com
 
   On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
got a decent hard drive (160GB).
   
I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
like TuxRacer.
   
I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
  
   if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram
   than xfce+openoffice.
  
   And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the
   time and
   you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second
   faster. It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
 
  installing ooo from source is unsupport How is this? Maybe you
  missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin
 
  http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=123104511608102w=2

 I think that (old) mask quoted in that person's message is because
 OpenOffice before 2.0.4 did not support 64-bit compiling at all.

openoffice 3 isn't better.. yeah, it compiles in 64bit - sometimes.




Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread s3b4sm4gr1
2009/1/21 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com

 On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
  On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann
 
  volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote:
   On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Alejandro wrote:
   2009/1/20 Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com
  
On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).

 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.

 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
   
if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram
than xfce+openoffice.
   
And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all
 the
time and
you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second
faster. It does not need less ram nor does it run faster.
  
   installing ooo from source is unsupport How is this? Maybe you
   missundertand i think he run emerge openoffice and not openoffice-bin
  
   http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernelm=123104511608102w=2
 
  I think that (old) mask quoted in that person's message is because
  OpenOffice before 2.0.4 did not support 64-bit compiling at all.

 openoffice 3 isn't better.. yeah, it compiles in 64bit - sometimes.



You should consider using LXDE as DE, which is designed for low memory and
CPU usage...

I'm currently using it on a Celeron Coppermine @ 600Mhz with 256 of PC133
RAM and it goes fine, among with abiword, gnumeric and claws-mail for the
office work, consonance for music playing, and pidgin and conspire for
Instant Messaging...

Regards...


-- 
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el petróleo, pero en realidad lo que se nos
acababan eran las IDEAS.
http://www.lacomunidadpetrolera.com
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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 17:46:06 schrieb Grant Edwards:

 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).

 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.

Don't know if this is possible with portage, I switched to paludis a long time 
ago. However, with paludis, one can setup several environments, each with a 
different set of USE flags, CFLAGS, etc., where each will be installed into a 
different root directory. Inside this root directory, everything looks like a 
normal install.

So you could mount the complete filesystem tree of the slow machine on a 
faster one (via NFS), compile everything on the fast machine and let it 
install to /root_of_slow_box.

 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

Hehe, I once did a Linux from Scratch install on my Amiga. Compiling GCC 
took ages to complete, didn't even dare to think about something like OOo.

I always use FVWM on low power machines. It's quite fast and, with the crystal 
theme, looks very nice.

HTH...

Dirk


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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread kashani

Grant Edwards wrote:

I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
got a decent hard drive (160GB).

I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
like TuxRacer.

I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).



I usually just pull the drive and put it in a faster computer. Build the 
OS with conservative CFLAGs and swap the drive back when done. I've 
rarely had issues with this.


kashani



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:32:02 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote:

 I know it needs 5gb+ of tmpdir space, but compiling it with 256mb may
 be futile :)

Not if he's got plenty of swap, it'll just run even slower. Expect a new
Debian release before OOo finishes building :)


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Dienstag, 20. Januar 2009 19:42:47 schrieb Neil Bothwick:

 Not if he's got plenty of swap, it'll just run even slower. Expect a new
 Debian release before OOo finishes building :)

LOL, can't imagine that it compiles _that_ slow ;-)

Bye...

Dirk


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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Dale
Grant Edwards wrote:
 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).

 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.

 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).

   

I used to have several older puters here and what I always did was put
the hard drive in my main machine, chroot in and do my installs.  It has
worked for me so far.  I have also done my upgrades that way too. 

Note, this may not work if you are using a 64 bit and putting the drive
in a 32 bit system.  That part I have never done. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Dale
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
 On Dienstag 20 Januar 2009, Grant Edwards wrote:
   
 I'm in the process of installing Gentoo on a rather old
 machine. It's an old HP Pavilion with a 450MHz Celeron
 Mendocino and 256MB of PC133 SDRAM.  I'm using an nVidia PCI
 FX6200 video board instead of the i810 on-board chip, and it's
 got a decent hard drive (160GB).

 I was wondering if there were any particular tips/tricks for
 getting the best performance out of such a machine.  It's to be
 used for basic word processing and a few games.  Hopefully the
 nVidia 6200 will allow OpenGL to run fast enough for something
 like TuxRacer.

 I chose XFCE for the desktop along with both Abiword and
 OpenOffice. I probably should have installed OOo from a binary
 package, but I decided to build it just to see how long it
 would take (so far it's at about 26 hours and counting).
 

 if you don't need any special features, kde+koffice needs less ram than 
 xfce+openoffice.

 And installing ooo from source is unsupport. The build breaks all the time 
 and 
 you don't get anything from it. All it does is starting a second faster. It 
 does not need less ram nor does it run faster.



   

It's funny, I have read a lot of people complain that the binary is the
same way but compiling from source works.  Interesting.  The reason I
was told I should compile my own is because it was more stable than the
binary. 

How do you figure that OOo from source is not supported?  Almost
everything in Gentoo is from source.  That's what Gentoo is, Linux From
Scratch with a neat package manager. Very neat I might add.

Dale

:-)  :-) 



Re: [gentoo-user] Tips/Tricks for Gentoo on low-spec computer?

2009-01-20 Thread Dale
s3b4sm4gr1 wrote:



 You should consider using LXDE as DE, which is designed for low memory
 and CPU usage...

 I'm currently using it on a Celeron Coppermine @ 600Mhz with 256 of
 PC133 RAM and it goes fine, among with abiword, gnumeric and
 claws-mail for the office work, consonance for music playing, and
 pidgin and conspire for Instant Messaging...

 Regards...


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OK folks, all have a seat please.  I ran a full blown KDE on a 133Mhz
machine with 256Mbs of ram.  A friend if mine played Solitaire on it and
it worked well.  It even had sound on it. 

Yea, it took a while to boot but I told him this is Linux, just leave it
running 24/7.  Worked until the house burned down.

Close your mouths, you are catching flies.  LOL

Dale

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