Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
Am Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700 schrieb kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. I have not noticed this. Scanning through the thread, I do not see any subject changes. Because you responded to an existing thread you are not creating a new thread and thus and reducing the size of the audience that reads your email. Specially I'd have responded to open source monitoring on gentoo, but since I deleted the Fortran thread in its boring entirety I didn't even see it until I saw a response further down the chain today. Whoever started Fbsplash did the same thing. For me, both of the threads you mention appear as their own threads (using claws-mail). So I checked the email sources and could not find any References headers in either of the thread parents. So, perhaps this is a bug in Thunderbird? kashani HTH -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
Hi, Am 25.06.2011 10:09, schrieb Marc Joliet: Am Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700 schrieb kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net: Because you responded to an existing thread you are not creating a new thread and thus and reducing the size of the audience that reads your email. Specially I'd have responded to open source monitoring on gentoo, but since I deleted the Fortran thread in its boring entirety I didn't even see it until I saw a response further down the chain today. Whoever started Fbsplash did the same thing. For me, both of the threads you mention appear as their own threads (using claws-mail). So I checked the email sources and could not find any References headers in either of the thread parents. So, perhaps this is a bug in Thunderbird? Fine here, too. Using mail-client/thunderbird-3.1.10. HTH, Enno signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
Am Samstag, 25. Juni 2011, 10:09:17 schrieb Marc Joliet: Am Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700 schrieb kashani kashani-l...@badapple.net: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. I have not noticed this. Scanning through the thread, I do not see any subject changes. Because you responded to an existing thread you are not creating a new thread and thus and reducing the size of the audience that reads your email. Specially I'd have responded to open source monitoring on gentoo, but since I deleted the Fortran thread in its boring entirety I didn't even see it until I saw a response further down the chain today. Whoever started Fbsplash did the same thing. For me, both of the threads you mention appear as their own threads (using claws-mail). So I checked the email sources and could not find any References headers in either of the thread parents. So, perhaps this is a bug in Thunderbird? kashani HTH same here, no thread problems with kde-base/kmail-4.4.11.1 Maybe you should really check your client. Greets
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 17:43:31 -0700, kashani wrote about Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: [snip] My understanding is that the NNTP server was munging headers thereby creating new threads where it should have been a single thread. Your subject line reads as though that is what you are asking, as some MUAs preserve threading until the Subject: header changes -- even when the Message-ID: line has been mangled. This is users responding to an existing email, removing all content, changing the subject, and then sending the mail which keeps the thread headers and make it appear to be part of the current thread. That is called thread hijacking and has been considered a breach of netiquette for at least 25 years. However, the influx of computer illiterates to the Internet in the last 15 or so years has caused netiquette to be more honoured in the breach than the observance. Likewise for HTML messages, top posting, lack of snipping, etc. Unfortunately, I see all of these misdemeanours on software development mailing lists, particularly those related to the Free Pascal Compiler, and software developers *should* know better. Worse still, the people who make these gaffes don't see anything wrong and refuse to accept that traditional netiquette should apply to them. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
On Saturday 25 June 2011 13:47:15 Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Saturday 25 June 2011 01:09:31 David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. completely different problem. there are: lazy idiots hitting 'reply' and then create a new message breaking threads. Suddenly you have a misnamed subthread confusing everybody or annoy me. stupid servers mangling headers breaking threads so answers create new threads. Of course, those who use usenet servers for gentoo-ml are to be blamed for the second problem. Is there any good, valid reason to do so? -- Lots of good reasons - usenet has been around for yonks, mailing lists work like usenet groups, users would like to use an nntp app to read ml mail. Good motivation to write proper gateways. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 08:32:46PM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Saturday 25 June 2011 13:47:15 Volker Armin Hemmann did opine thusly: On Saturday 25 June 2011 01:09:31 David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. completely different problem. there are: lazy idiots hitting 'reply' and then create a new message breaking threads. Suddenly you have a misnamed subthread confusing everybody or annoy me. stupid servers mangling headers breaking threads so answers create new threads. Of course, those who use usenet servers for gentoo-ml are to be blamed for the second problem. Is there any good, valid reason to do so? Lots of good reasons - usenet has been around for yonks, mailing lists work like usenet groups, users would like to use an nntp app to read ml mail. Good motivation to write proper gateways. As a matter of interest, posting to gentoo-user via NNTP seems to be blocked by the moderation software. At least it was a few weeks ago when I tried to post that way. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).
[gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. Because you responded to an existing thread you are not creating a new thread and thus and reducing the size of the audience that reads your email. Specially I'd have responded to open source monitoring on gentoo, but since I deleted the Fortran thread in its boring entirety I didn't even see it until I saw a response further down the chain today. Whoever started Fbsplash did the same thing. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. -- Regards, Dave [RLU #314465] *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* dwn...@ntlworld.com (David W Noon) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
On 6/24/2011 5:09 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. My understanding is that the NNTP server was munging headers thereby creating new threads where it should have been a single thread. This is users responding to an existing email, removing all content, changing the subject, and then sending the mail which keeps the thread headers and make it appear to be part of the current thread. I see it all the time on the motorcycle lists where the average user is much less computer proficient. kashani
Re: [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject
kashani wrote: On 6/24/2011 5:09 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 24 Jun 2011 16:12:26 -0700, kashani wrote about [gentoo-user] Don't start a new thread by changing the subject: I've noticed this a couple of times this week. A few of you have responded to the annoying Fortran thread, changed the subject, started a new message, and sent the email starting a new thread. You're a week or two behind the times. The root cause of this was done to death some time ago. It is the bofh.it NNTP server that propagates this mailing list through Usenet. There is nothing we can do except avoid using servers downstream from that rogue server. My understanding is that the NNTP server was munging headers thereby creating new threads where it should have been a single thread. This is users responding to an existing email, removing all content, changing the subject, and then sending the mail which keeps the thread headers and make it appear to be part of the current thread. I see it all the time on the motorcycle lists where the average user is much less computer proficient. kashani Well, I don't see where anyone did that to the fortran thread here. All posts have the same subject line. Maybe something is wrong on your end? Dale :-) :-)
