Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 14:23 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world, although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is now running fine. I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure it's still working. We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect. if you want to know what broke it, then you should take the time to compile in some debugging symbols (just in evolution and associated libs, not the entire world!) This would have been quicker than rebuilding absolutely everything! You obviously have time, as you just did an emerge -e world ;) Unfortunately I don't think you'll be better off blindly fixing it - what if it happens again? What if a similar thing happens to a different package? Just switching mail-clients wont help - any package is potentially open to crashing. Take the time now to find out why, and save yourself time in the future, IMHO :) but glad it's working again. cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Iain, In principle I agree with you but specifics dictated the outcome this time. 1) I really didn't understand how to get the debugging stuff in there and actually working. Learning would have taken time. 2) My dad, an almost 79 year old Gentoo user, was traveling and returning home today. I Wanted him to have email. 3) Yes, emerge -e world takes time but requires very little attention so I am free to try to earn a living. I had only one digest mismatch in the rebuild. Other than that one stoppage the process went uninterrupted while I got other things done. I'm thinking that what I do need to do is learn to get debugging info but I can experiment with that on my machine instead of his. I worry that something basic will go wrong and because the machine is 300 miles away it would have to get shipped to me. If I work with my own machines first I'll have a better idea what's safe and what works. Now what I need to do is spend a little time learning more about debugging symbols and the tools required to make sense of them. Keep in mind that I am a user, not an IT guy, not a developer, not even a CS major. I only need to know enough to provide information to helpful folks who need it. I'll go work on that over the next few weeks maybe. Cheers and thanks! - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/27/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling me how to fix it by recompiling some library or something. snip Have you tried running a revdep-rebuild -p -v to see if there's anything broken? Do you know what triggered the crashing behavious - did an update get run, did something new get emerged, did some ebuild get unmerged? HTH- James -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
-Original Message- From: James Ausmus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 08:45 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution? On 2/27/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling me how to fix it by recompiling some library or something. snip Have you tried running a revdep-rebuild -p -v to see if there's anything broken? Do you know what triggered the crashing behavious - did an update get run, did something new get emerged, did some ebuild get unmerged? HTH- James I'd second the revdep-rebuild solution. It's best knowing why it crashed rather than ignoring it in case it starts taking down other applications as well. A quick google however found: - Importing contacts to Thunderbird. USE THE SCRIPT AT YOUR OWN RISK. http://www.mepis.org/node/2916 - Importing emails (Evo doesnt have to be working...) http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/10/1446217tid=37tid=101 (although this is from 2004) As always, YMMV. -- djn I do not represent anyone else in emails I send to this list. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Nelson, David (ED, PARD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: James Ausmus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 February 2007 08:45 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution? On 2/27/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling me how to fix it by recompiling some library or something. snip Have you tried running a revdep-rebuild -p -v to see if there's anything broken? Do you know what triggered the crashing behavious - did an update get run, did something new get emerged, did some ebuild get unmerged? HTH- James I'd second the revdep-rebuild solution. It's best knowing why it crashed rather than ignoring it in case it starts taking down other applications as well. A quick google however found: - Importing contacts to Thunderbird. USE THE SCRIPT AT YOUR OWN RISK. http://www.mepis.org/node/2916 - Importing emails (Evo doesnt have to be working...) http://applications.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/09/10/1446217tid=37tid=101 (although this is from 2004) As always, YMMV. Thanks. Yes, I'm completely through the emerge -DuN world, revdep-rebuild process. No help there. Evolution continues to crash. We were running Evolution 2.4. Unfortunately it's no longer in portage. I've built every unmasked and masked version in portage and they all crash. BugBuddy pops up but the backtrace is useless since there is no debugging info. I'm going to rebuild the who machine from scratch (emerge -e system, emerge -e world) to see if I get lucky. Anyway, thanks. We're happy to look at Thunderbird if it might work. - Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 11:30:23 Mark Knecht wrote: Thanks. Yes, I'm completely through the emerge -DuN world, revdep-rebuild process. No help there. Evolution continues to crash. We were running Evolution 2.4. Unfortunately it's no longer in portage. I've built every unmasked and masked version in portage and they all crash. BugBuddy pops up but the backtrace is useless since there is no debugging info. I'm going to rebuild the who machine from scratch (emerge -e system, emerge -e world) to see if I get lucky. You have realized that you need to use either FEATURES=nostrip or FEATURES=splitdebug to get a better backtrace? Adding -g to your CFLAGS wouldn't hurt either. -- Bo Andresen pgpQzKZLREKPV.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your emerge --info ? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 28 February 2007 11:30:23 Mark Knecht wrote: Thanks. Yes, I'm completely through the emerge -DuN world, revdep-rebuild process. No help there. Evolution continues to crash. We were running Evolution 2.4. Unfortunately it's no longer in portage. I've built every unmasked and masked version in portage and they all crash. BugBuddy pops up but the backtrace is useless since there is no debugging info. I'm going to rebuild the who machine from scratch (emerge -e system, emerge -e world) to see if I get lucky. You have realized that you need to use either FEATURES=nostrip or FEATURES=splitdebug to get a better backtrace? Adding -g to your CFLAGS wouldn't hurt either. -- Bo Andresen Thanks Bo. I read through the backtrace page you pointed me at and decided I didn't understand enough of it to correctly get through it. As a result I'm making no attempt at this point to get a back trace. I'm just rebuilding everything on time to see if Evolution starts working. I'm done with emerge -e system and about 1/3 of the way through emerge -e world so maybe this evening I'll know the results of that. If it still fails then I'll have to return here one more time to ask questions about what needs to be rebuilt. Must I rebuild everything or can I just do Evolution and see if it drops into a library and then rebuild that library and go deeper? I have no desire to rebuild the complete system just to find a bug in a program my dad doesn't really care if he's running only to find that like a number of bug reports I'm made recently I never get a response and there was no reason to do all the work on my end. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Matthias Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your emerge --info ? If you're interested then sure. I'm running evolution-2.8.2.1 on a couple of machines with no problems at all. It's only on his machine and only since upgrading to Gnome 2.16. gandalf ~ # emerge --info Portage 2.1.2-r9 (default-linux/x86/2006.0, gcc-4.1.1, glibc-2.5-r0, 2.6.18-gentoo-r4 i686) = System uname: 2.6.18-gentoo-r4 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ Gentoo Base System release 1.12.9 Timestamp of tree: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:30:01 + dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.31 dev-lang/python: 2.4.3-r4 dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5 sys-apps/sandbox:1.2.17 sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.61 sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, 1.10 sys-devel/binutils: 2.16.1-r3 sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.14 sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.22 virtual/os-headers: 2.6.17-r2 ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=x86 AUTOCLEAN=yes CBUILD=i686-pc-linux-gnu CFLAGS=-O3 -march=athlon-xp -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -pipe CHOST=i686-pc-linux-gnu CONFIG_PROTECT=/etc /home/mythtv/ /usr/share/X11/xkb CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/gconf /etc/java-config/vms/ /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo CXXFLAGS=-O3 -march=athlon-xp -funroll-loops -fprefetch-loop-arrays -pipe DISTDIR=/usr/portage/distfiles FEATURES=autoconfig distlocks metadata-transfer sandbox sfperms strict GENTOO_MIRRORS=http://mirror.tucdemonic.org/gentoo/ ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo http://mirror.gentoo.gr.jp http://www.zentek-international.com/mirrors/gentoo/; LINGUAS=en MAKEOPTS=-j2 PKGDIR=/usr/portage/packages PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages PORTAGE_TMPDIR=/var/tmp PORTDIR=/usr/portage SYNC=rsync://rsync.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage USE=3dnow 3dnowext X Xi alsa apache2 audiofile berkdb bitmap-fonts cdparanoia cdr cjk cli cpudetection cracklib crypt cups dri dvd dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode flac foomaticdb fortran gdbm gif gimp gimpprint gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 i8x0 iconv imlib ipv6 isdnlog jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad midi mikmod mjpeg mmx mmxext motif mozilla mp3 mpeg mysql mythtv ncurses nls nptl nptlonly nvidia ogg opengl oss pam pcre perl png ppds pppd python qt3 qt4 quicktime readline real reflection sdl session sndfile spell spl sse ssl tcltk tcpd threads tiff transcode truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts usb v4l v4l2 vorbis win32codecs x86 xml xorg xscreensaver xv xvid zlib ALSA_CARDS=ali5451 als4000 atiixp atiixp-modem bt87x ca0106 cmipci emu10k1 emu10k1x ens1370 ens1371 es1938 es1968 fm801 hda-intel intel8x0 intel8x0m maestro3 trident usb-audio via82xx via82xx-modem ymfpci ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=adpcm alaw asym copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol ELIBC=glibc INPUT_DEVICES=keyboard mouse KERNEL=linux LCD_DEVICES=bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text LINGUAS=en USERLAND=GNU VIDEO_CARDS=nv nvidia vesa Unset: CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL, LDFLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY gandalf ~ # Here are the only errors in a terminal when it crashes. It crashes in all accounts on the system so it's not something specific to my dad's setup. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ evolution (evolution-2.8:16011): evolution-mail-WARNING **: cannot load vfolders: Unable to load system rules '/usr/share/evolution/2.8/vfoldertypes.xml': Success (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_hadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_vadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Bonobo Component Browser ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/28/07, Matthias Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your emerge --info ? If you're interested then sure. I'm running evolution-2.8.2.1 on a couple of machines with no problems at all. It's only on his machine and only since upgrading to Gnome 2.16. [emerge --info snipped] Here are the only errors in a terminal when it crashes. It crashes in all accounts on the system so it's not something specific to my dad's setup. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ evolution (evolution-2.8:16011): evolution-mail-WARNING **: cannot load vfolders: Unable to load system rules '/usr/share/evolution/2.8/vfoldertypes.xml': Success (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_hadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_vadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Bonobo Component Browser ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ Grasping at straws, but I found this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-evolution-maintainers/2006-September/001441.html Try running evolution with the --sm-disable option? It's not a fix, I know, but it might help. An evolution --help might shed some light on what --sm-disable does, if it works. (I'd check myself, but I'm not in front of a linux box right now.) -- Ryan W Sims -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
Mark Knecht wrote: If it still fails then I'll have to return here one more time to ask questions about what needs to be rebuilt. Have you tried moving ~/.evolution out of the way? Maybe it's just a broken config file that makes all versions of Evo stumble. Must I rebuild everything or can I just do Evolution and see if it drops into a library and then rebuild that library and go deeper? The latter. Just rebuild with symbols the things that Evolution uses. Benno -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Ryan Sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/28/07, Mark Knecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2/28/07, Matthias Langer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 20:59 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. I'm using evolution-2.8.2.1 and it works fine; can you post your emerge --info ? If you're interested then sure. I'm running evolution-2.8.2.1 on a couple of machines with no problems at all. It's only on his machine and only since upgrading to Gnome 2.16. [emerge --info snipped] Here are the only errors in a terminal when it crashes. It crashes in all accounts on the system so it's not something specific to my dad's setup. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ evolution (evolution-2.8:16011): evolution-mail-WARNING **: cannot load vfolders: Unable to load system rules '/usr/share/evolution/2.8/vfoldertypes.xml': Success (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_hadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed (evolution-2.8:16011): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_layout_set_vadjustment: assertion `GTK_IS_LAYOUT (layout)' failed ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Bonobo Component Browser ** (bug-buddy:16026): WARNING **: Couldn't load icon for Open Folder Failed to read a valid object file image from memory. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ $ Grasping at straws, but I found this: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-evolution-maintainers/2006-September/001441.html Try running evolution with the --sm-disable option? It's not a fix, I know, but it might help. An evolution --help might shed some light on what --sm-disable does, if it works. (I'd check myself, but I'm not in front of a linux box right now.) -- Ryan W Sims Ryan, Hi. Thanks for the idea. Tried it. As of earlier this morning it was still the same problem. From the help info: --sm-disable Disable connection to session manager I tried a few other options but no help. At the time it still crashed the same way. Of course, that was at the time. In the background I'm doing an emerge -e world. The rebuild is about 50% of the way through. Apparently something needed to be rebuilt because now Evolution is starting up just fine. No GTK messages. No problems. Opens fine and seems to work. Do not have any idea yet what helped but something did. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On 2/28/07, Benno Schulenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mark Knecht wrote: If it still fails then I'll have to return here one more time to ask questions about what needs to be rebuilt. Have you tried moving ~/.evolution out of the way? Maybe it's just a broken config file that makes all versions of Evo stumble. Must I rebuild everything or can I just do Evolution and see if it drops into a library and then rebuild that library and go deeper? The latter. Just rebuild with symbols the things that Evolution uses. Benno Hi Benno, It failed in a new account I created just to test that. As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world, although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is now running fine. I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure it's still working. We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect. Thanks, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi Benno, It failed in a new account I created just to test that. As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world, although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is now running fine. I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure it's still working. We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect. Thanks, Mark I had the same thing to happen with Mozilla a good while back. I never did find out what fixed it either. Dale :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 14:23 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: As I said in a response a few minutes ago the emerge -e world, although not completely done, appears to have fixed it. Evolution is now running fine. I will wait for the emerge -e world to finish up tonight and ensure it's still working. We may never know exactly what caused the problem I suspect. if you want to know what broke it, then you should take the time to compile in some debugging symbols (just in evolution and associated libs, not the entire world!) This would have been quicker than rebuilding absolutely everything! You obviously have time, as you just did an emerge -e world ;) Unfortunately I don't think you'll be better off blindly fixing it - what if it happens again? What if a similar thing happens to a different package? Just switching mail-clients wont help - any package is potentially open to crashing. Take the time now to find out why, and save yourself time in the future, IMHO :) but glad it's working again. cya, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Misfortunes arrive on wings and leave on foot. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Email clients - what can replace Evolution?
Hi all, I've got a machine that will no longer run Evolution. For whatever reason all versions of Evolution in Portage crash. I cannot as of yet get a backtrace to determine why. Even if I could a fast solution would depend on other folks seeing what's wrong and telling me how to fix it by recompiling some library or something. I cannot be sure if or even when that might happen so my user needs to move on. He's been without access to his email for about 10 days and is fed up waiting for me to fix it. The question is how to move forward. Is there any other Linux email client that can pick up where Evolution has failed him? I know nothing about how Evolution stores mail, contact lists, etc. so I don't know what he might be able to use. What is the KDE mail client? Can Thunderbird look at Evolution files? I spent some time going through the online Portage database but nothing seemed obvious so I hoped to hear about an app to try out here. In parallel I can try something like emerge -e world. Maybe I'll get lucky? ;-) Thanks in advance for any info you can provide. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
