Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Mar 8, 2014, at 20:44, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 08 Mar 2014 18:10:21 Mick wrote: On Saturday 08 Mar 2014 17:42:07 Pavel Volkov wrote: On Saturday 08 March 2014 15:50:27 Mick wrote: I can't understand why a PC that uses the KDE desktop always sticks an accented capital A in front of the pound sign. It looks like this: £ I don't have this problem in KDE (though I'm not using UK layout to type it). I use the additional X.Org layout called typo and type the pound sign with AltGr+F. What tool do you use to switch keyboard layouts and what are those layouts? This machine only has UK qwerty keyboard and UK locale. I don't switch into any other layouts. I've just changed the default country in the KDE locale GUI from UK to 'No Country' and will restart the desktop as soon as I can kick a Luser off it, to see if it works. The user logged out of KDE and back in and the darn thing still shows up. :-/ Any ideas what might be causing this? There is no problem with typing the US dollar character key (Shift+4), but there is when pressing the GBP character (Shift+3). This is what xev shows when pressing and releasing Shift plus the key: == KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125124784, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x10, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128642, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 12 (keysym 0xa3, sterling), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128772, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 12 (keysym 0xa3, sterling), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128977, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False == -- Regards, Mick When you press £-symbol on your keyboard and are using a unicode keymap U+00A3 unicode keypoint is created. When that is encoded to UTF-8 a 2-byte string is created: 0x2CA3. Now when this string is displayed the software displaying the string needs to know the encoding of the string. If it is interpreted as UTF-8 string you will see: £. If it is interpreted as ISO-8859-1 or CP1252 these both will produce: £. So what this means is that you have an in correct unicode configuration. In the console I have correct unicode setup. How ever when run command unicode_stop I get £ and after I run unicode_start I will get £ as I should. When computer boots always starts with us layout and ascii map. It is upto your configuration to switch to your preferred layout and charmap. For X set your layout in xorg.conf.d in 10-evdev.conf (XkbLayout). Then test that X has the correct keyboard layout: sudo Xorg :0 -ac -terminate (sleep 4 DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm) If that works you should have the right layout in kde. Deleting kde config will bring you the correct layout. For the console set unicode aware font in conf.d/consolefont and keymap in keymaps. And in rc.conf set unicode to yes. -- Matti
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Sat, 8 March 2014, at 3:50 pm, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: ... This is what /etc/env.d/02locale contains: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C Why have you set LC_COLLATE differently from LANG, please? It's a couple of years since I messed with locale related stuff, but I understood that you weren't really supposed to set the categories separately. Also, when testing I've found that changing locale and launching a new shell doesn't have the same effect as rebooting. Maybe there's something in the startup scripts, but I observed some unexpected behaviours if I didn't reboot. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Sunday 09 Mar 2014 14:48:45 Stroller wrote: On Sat, 8 March 2014, at 3:50 pm, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: ... This is what /etc/env.d/02locale contains: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C Why have you set LC_COLLATE differently from LANG, please? See near the bottom of this page of the handbook: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?part=1chap=6 Having said that, I find that my own 02locale says it's been generated automatically, and it omits the LC_COLLATE entry and I have no problem displaying pound signs: £ -- Regards Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Sunday 09 Mar 2014 14:48:45 Stroller wrote: On Sat, 8 March 2014, at 3:50 pm, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: ... This is what /etc/env.d/02locale contains: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C Why have you set LC_COLLATE differently from LANG, please? Because I am used to have files listed with . prefixed files first, then file names with Capital case and then lower case. Otherwise if you have LC_ALL set then that setting will be followed for sorting files. If neither LC_ALL nor LC_COLLATE are set, then LANG will take precedence. Please note that I use different languages on a couple of machines and that can mess things up when listing stuff. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Mar 9, 2014, at 18:26, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 09 Mar 2014 14:48:45 Stroller wrote: On Sat, 8 March 2014, at 3:50 pm, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: ... This is what /etc/env.d/02locale contains: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C Why have you set LC_COLLATE differently from LANG, please? Because I am used to have files listed with . prefixed files first, then file names with Capital case and then lower case. Otherwise if you have LC_ALL set then that setting will be followed for sorting files. If neither LC_ALL nor LC_COLLATE are set, then LANG will take precedence. Please note that I use different languages on a couple of machines and that can mess things up when listing stuff. Mick. Did you try this? sudo Xorg :0 -ac -terminate (sleep 4 DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm) Is the problem also in a bare X session? -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Sunday 09 Mar 2014 09:00:23 Matti Nykyri wrote: On Mar 8, 2014, at 20:44, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 08 Mar 2014 18:10:21 Mick wrote: On Saturday 08 Mar 2014 17:42:07 Pavel Volkov wrote: On Saturday 08 March 2014 15:50:27 Mick wrote: I can't understand why a PC that uses the KDE desktop always sticks an accented capital A in front of the pound sign. It looks like this: £ I don't have this problem in KDE (though I'm not using UK layout to type it). I use the additional X.Org layout called typo and type the pound sign with AltGr+F. What tool do you use to switch keyboard layouts and what are those layouts? This machine only has UK qwerty keyboard and UK locale. I don't switch into any other layouts. I've just changed the default country in the KDE locale GUI from UK to 'No Country' and will restart the desktop as soon as I can kick a Luser off it, to see if it works. The user logged out of KDE and back in and the darn thing still shows up. :-/ Any ideas what might be causing this? There is no problem with typing the US dollar character key (Shift+4), but there is when pressing the GBP character (Shift+3). This is what xev shows when pressing and releasing Shift plus the key: == KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125124784, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x10, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128642, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 12 (keysym 0xa3, sterling), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128772, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 12 (keysym 0xa3, sterling), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128977, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False == When you press £-symbol on your keyboard and are using a unicode keymap U+00A3 unicode keypoint is created. When that is encoded to UTF-8 a 2-byte string is created: 0x2CA3. Now when this string is displayed the software displaying the string needs to know the encoding of the string. If it is interpreted as UTF-8 string you will see: £. If it is interpreted as ISO-8859-1 or CP1252 these both will produce: £. So what this means is that you have an in correct unicode configuration. In the console I have correct unicode setup. How ever when run command unicode_stop I get £ and after I run unicode_start I will get £ as I should. When computer boots always starts with us layout and ascii map. It is upto your configuration to switch to your preferred layout and charmap. For X set your layout in xorg.conf.d in 10-evdev.conf (XkbLayout). Then test that X has the correct keyboard layout: sudo Xorg :0 -ac -terminate (sleep 4 DISPLAY=:0.0 xterm) If that works you should have the right layout in kde. Deleting kde config will bring you the correct layout. For the console set unicode aware font in conf.d/consolefont and keymap in keymaps. And in rc.conf set unicode to yes. Thank you Matti! I had some deprecated syntax in /etc/locale.gen and clearly my UTF8 local was not being generated. As soon as I fixed that and rebooted I was able to type £ without  preceding it. This is a rather old machine and I have not spent much time configuring it over the years. It still has an old xorg.conf file which I will need to modify when I get a minute. Thanks again for your help. :-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
I can't understand why a PC that uses the KDE desktop always sticks an accented capital A in front of the pound sign. It looks like this: £ This is what /etc/env.d/02locale contains: LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LC_COLLATE=C All KDE applications suffer from this affliction, as well as LibreOffice. However, for some reason Thunderbird does not. Any idea how I can fix this? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Saturday 08 March 2014 15:50:27 Mick wrote: I can't understand why a PC that uses the KDE desktop always sticks an accented capital A in front of the pound sign. It looks like this: £ I don't have this problem in KDE (though I'm not using UK layout to type it). I use the additional X.Org layout called typo and type the pound sign with AltGr+F. What tool do you use to switch keyboard layouts and what are those layouts?
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Saturday 08 Mar 2014 17:42:07 Pavel Volkov wrote: On Saturday 08 March 2014 15:50:27 Mick wrote: I can't understand why a PC that uses the KDE desktop always sticks an accented capital A in front of the pound sign. It looks like this: £ I don't have this problem in KDE (though I'm not using UK layout to type it). I use the additional X.Org layout called typo and type the pound sign with AltGr+F. What tool do you use to switch keyboard layouts and what are those layouts? This machine only has UK qwerty keyboard and UK locale. I don't switch into any other layouts. I've just changed the default country in the KDE locale GUI from UK to 'No Country' and will restart the desktop as soon as I can kick a Luser off it, to see if it works. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] GBP character in KDE
On Saturday 08 Mar 2014 18:10:21 Mick wrote: On Saturday 08 Mar 2014 17:42:07 Pavel Volkov wrote: On Saturday 08 March 2014 15:50:27 Mick wrote: I can't understand why a PC that uses the KDE desktop always sticks an accented capital A in front of the pound sign. It looks like this: £ I don't have this problem in KDE (though I'm not using UK layout to type it). I use the additional X.Org layout called typo and type the pound sign with AltGr+F. What tool do you use to switch keyboard layouts and what are those layouts? This machine only has UK qwerty keyboard and UK locale. I don't switch into any other layouts. I've just changed the default country in the KDE locale GUI from UK to 'No Country' and will restart the desktop as soon as I can kick a Luser off it, to see if it works. The user logged out of KDE and back in and the darn thing still shows up. :-/ Any ideas what might be causing this? There is no problem with typing the US dollar character key (Shift+4), but there is when pressing the GBP character (Shift+3). This is what xev shows when pressing and releasing Shift plus the key: == KeyPress event, serial 37, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125124784, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x10, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False KeyPress event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128642, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 12 (keysym 0xa3, sterling), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XmbLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128772, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 12 (keysym 0xa3, sterling), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 2 bytes: (c2 a3) £ XFilterEvent returns: False KeyRelease event, serial 40, synthetic NO, window 0x4a1, root 0x15b, subw 0x4a2, time 125128977, (30,32), root:(3052,475), state 0x11, keycode 50 (keysym 0xffe1, Shift_L), same_screen YES, XLookupString gives 0 bytes: XFilterEvent returns: False == -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
