Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On Monday 06 July 2015 19:16:59 Mick wrote: Peter, I'm going from memory here, but I recovered from a kmail2 problem by clearing the akonadi cache and thereby forcing a reindexing. I recall opening the akonadi console from the tool tray and this offered me a GUI, which listed the various KDEPIM resources. I right clicked on the corrupted folder and selected to clear the cache; in my case it would not list any messages and was hanging when trying to sync with the mail server. This fixed it. Are you looking at the same place? I finally found it. The Browser tab shows a list of collections in the top left pane. Right-clicking on an e-mail folder there offers Clear akonadi cache. I did that, waited a few seconds for disk activity to stop and then took the Synchronise option. That took a long time - I don't know how long as I had to go out and leave it to itself. Repeating the procedure for each of my dodgy folders appears to have tidied up the worst of the mess, though I still get duplicates. At least now they aren't phantoms. Thanks for your perseverance, Mick. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On Wednesday 08 July 2015 22:03:16 Mick wrote: I would thing that this is a relatively straight forward transaction to troubleshoot, but devs may not be using POP3 on Kmail2, or if the glacial progress of KDEPIM is anything to go by, then I seriously suspect they are NOT really using ... Kmail2! :-p You may have something there. I forget the detail now but one of their devs remarked that it was a pity that POP3 still existed. I thought he was joking at the time, but maybe he wasn't. I have only POP3 accounts: my ISP doesn't offer IMAP, and I don't propose to change ISPs on that account. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On Wednesday 08 Jul 2015 08:56:46 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 06 July 2015 19:16:59 Mick wrote: Peter, I'm going from memory here, but I recovered from a kmail2 problem by clearing the akonadi cache and thereby forcing a reindexing. I recall opening the akonadi console from the tool tray and this offered me a GUI, which listed the various KDEPIM resources. I right clicked on the corrupted folder and selected to clear the cache; in my case it would not list any messages and was hanging when trying to sync with the mail server. This fixed it. Are you looking at the same place? I finally found it. The Browser tab shows a list of collections in the top left pane. Right-clicking on an e-mail folder there offers Clear akonadi cache. I did that, waited a few seconds for disk activity to stop and then took the Synchronise option. That took a long time - I don't know how long as I had to go out and leave it to itself. Repeating the procedure for each of my dodgy folders appears to have tidied up the worst of the mess, though I still get duplicates. At least now they aren't phantoms. Thanks for your perseverance, Mick. You are welcome, but I am saddened to read that the problem (duplicate emails when using POP3) is *still* not resolved. I don't know what is causing it, but suspect that it is something to do with the UIDL command causing some hash malfunction on the Kmail2 POP3 client. I am guessing (wildly and with no evidence) that akonadi's (re)indexing is not managing the message ID reliably, potentially barfing on the message hash, recreating a duplicate. Either way, applications like this give MSOutlook with its reliably self-corrupting .pst files a good name. I would thing that this is a relatively straight forward transaction to troubleshoot, but devs may not be using POP3 on Kmail2, or if the glacial progress of KDEPIM is anything to go by, then I seriously suspect they are NOT really using ... Kmail2! :-p -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On 08/07/2015 23:57, Peter Humphrey wrote: On Wednesday 08 July 2015 22:03:16 Mick wrote: I would thing that this is a relatively straight forward transaction to troubleshoot, but devs may not be using POP3 on Kmail2, or if the glacial progress of KDEPIM is anything to go by, then I seriously suspect they are NOT really using ... Kmail2! :-p You may have something there. I forget the detail now but one of their devs remarked that it was a pity that POP3 still existed. I thought he was joking at the time, but maybe he wasn't. I have only POP3 accounts: my ISP doesn't offer IMAP, and I don't propose to change ISPs on that account. kmail-1 was awesome. kmail-2 is a complete joke. The best recommendation I can give you is to salvage what you can from your mailboxes and switch to something that works. Thunderbird, claws, mutt all work fine and one of those surely fits your needs? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On Thursday 09 July 2015 01:04:13 Alan McKinnon wrote: kmail-1 was awesome. kmail-2 is a complete joke. The best recommendation I can give you is to salvage what you can from your mailboxes and switch to something that works. Thunderbird, claws, mutt all work fine and one of those surely fits your needs? I did survey the available clients but didn't find anything to compare with what KMail ought to be. Seriously though, after following Mick's advice, I have what seems to be a stable e-mail system now, even if it does throw up the occasional duplicate. I can live with that if it doesn't regress further. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On 06-07-2015 ,09:33:58, Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello list, Isn't anyone else suffering duplication of e-mails in KMail-2? This list is silent on the subject, and the bug I opened in April still hasn't even been confirmed, never mind acted on. I had duplicated emails in my first attempt (c. 2011) to move to Kmail2. This was on a POP3 account. When I deleted the duplicates, more would be created. I did not have the full semantic KDEPIM enchilada enabled and I was running sqlite3, which the KDE devs advised against (unable to manage multithreaded operations that mysql/postgresql could do with ease). At the time I blamed sqlite as the cause of this, but I may have been wrong if you are also observing the same. More recently (c. 2013/4) I tried again to setup Kmail2, but using IMAP4 and mysql. Small IMAP4 accounts with a couple of thousand messages work fine. Large IMAP4 accounts with 120k messages or more, work like a pig, unless you have FTTP and some octa-core beast to run your desktop on. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346695 It looks as though the underlying database design is incomplete, or just broken, to judge by ~/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err . I raised bug 348491 about that - also unconfirmed so far. I suppose the KDE devs are overwhelmed. HEALTH WARNING: This can potentially delete ALL your messages, with the same ease that it creates duplicates. So, ensure that you have some back up system, to safeguard loss of your email data. If you open the akonadi console you should be able to clear the akonadi cache. This ought to follow with a re-indexing of your messages by akonadi, hopefully without creating a duplicate of each message in your Inbox folder. -- Regards, Mick
[gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
Hello list, Isn't anyone else suffering duplication of e-mails in KMail-2? This list is silent on the subject, and the bug I opened in April still hasn't even been confirmed, never mind acted on. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346695 It looks as though the underlying database design is incomplete, or just broken, to judge by ~/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err . I raised bug 348491 about that - also unconfirmed so far. I suppose the KDE devs are overwhelmed. -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On Monday 06 Jul 2015 16:44:39 Peter Humphrey wrote: On Monday 06 July 2015 11:01:08 Mick wrote: If you open the akonadi console you should be able to clear the akonadi cache. This ought to follow with a re-indexing of your messages by akonadi, hopefully without creating a duplicate of each message in your Inbox folder. The only reference I can find to the cache in akonadi console v 0.99 is a Cache only retrieval tick box. I've set off a Synchronise All and I'll see if it does anything useful. Doesn't look like it. Peter, I'm going from memory here, but I recovered from a kmail2 problem by clearing the akonadi cache and thereby forcing a reindexing. I recall opening the akonadi console from the tool tray and this offered me a GUI, which listed the various KDEPIM resources. I right clicked on the corrupted folder and selected to clear the cache; in my case it would not list any messages and was hanging when trying to sync with the mail server. This fixed it. Are you looking at the same place? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:33:58 Peter Humphrey wrote: Hello list, Isn't anyone else suffering duplication of e-mails in KMail-2? This list is silent on the subject, and the bug I opened in April still hasn't even been confirmed, never mind acted on. https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=346695 It looks as though the underlying database design is incomplete, or just broken, to judge by ~/.local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err . I raised bug 348491 about that - also unconfirmed so far. I suppose the KDE devs are overwhelmed. Yes, I get duplicate message as well. I've been getting them for all versions of Kmail-2, as far as I remember. Currently using version 4.14.8 and the frequency of duplicates has dropped, but they still happen. Also, Kmail-2 doesn't seem to move message files correctly in maildir folders. Quite a few get left in the 'new' directory instead of being moved to 'cur'. I havn't checked to see it these correleate with duplicated messages at all. -- Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC. http://andor.dropbear.id.au/ Asking for technical help in newsgroups? Read this first: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#intro
Re: [gentoo-user] KMail-2 duplicates
On Monday 06 July 2015 11:01:08 Mick wrote: If you open the akonadi console you should be able to clear the akonadi cache. This ought to follow with a re-indexing of your messages by akonadi, hopefully without creating a duplicate of each message in your Inbox folder. The only reference I can find to the cache in akonadi console v 0.99 is a Cache only retrieval tick box. I've set off a Synchronise All and I'll see if it does anything useful. Doesn't look like it. I'm beginning to suspect a problem with mime types, but I'm largely ignorant in that area so I'd prefer it to be somewhere else :-) -- Rgds Peter
