Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
Hi, On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:40:03 +0200 Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue with gmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issues sending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be a painfully annoying job ;-) I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having absolutely no problems with, although they are somewhat less active than the gentoo-user one. Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is the correct way to go about locating and confronting this issue? I'm seeing the same. The amount of missing mails doesn't qualify for lots, but I'm missing some. I first noticed about 3 weeks ago, and I thought I have seen a few notices by others on this list that they miss this or that mail, too. Infrastructure problems, I think, but on gentoo's end. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:08:41 +0200, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: I'm seeing the same. The amount of missing mails doesn't qualify for lots, but I'm missing some. I see the same. I've seen quite a few replies to mails I never received. -- Neil Bothwick Tribble math: * + * = *** signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:08:41 +0200, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote: I'm seeing the same. The amount of missing mails doesn't qualify for lots, but I'm missing some. When several mails on a daily basis continue to go missing, over a period of weeks, I call that lots. If each mail missing was a nut or bolt used to put together your car (or in my case archive them accordingly in a database), it becomes lots ;-) I see the same. I've seen quite a few replies to mails I never received. Yes, this is what first caught my eye, the secondly being the software I wrote not positively finding threads, and now and then not finding the first message to the new thread (as Neil writes above). The strange thing is gmane seems to be receiving all the mail, or at least 99% of it ~ so why gmane and not us? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFEyKMWCt0ZF9kLPvYRAiPJAKCHutev8Jxbw4ffV+GlEGtNe/81mACfYRZt b3t+Rn8g+k+aAdrNnYxIGRA= =3rtx -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: I am not missing any mails. How did you verify? Alexander Skwar -- linux: the choice of a GNU generation ([EMAIL PROTECTED] put this on Tshirts in '93) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
On 7/27/06, Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1Hiya,For the last 2 years I have been archiving structurally all mygentoo-user mails I have received into MySQL. In the last few months Ihave noticed that I have been receiving more and more broken threads (In-Reply-To and References), indicating missing mails from those threads.At present I use gmail to receive the mail which is then downloaded viafetchmail to my imap server. Recently I added thegmane.linux.gentoo.user newsgroup to my thunderbird to make somecomparisons between that I am receiving and what they are receiving. Tomy surprise I am missing between 1 and 4 messages per thread (of morethan let's say 10 messages). It is not a threading problem, and not a pop3 problem ~ I can confirmthat what I have in gmail is what I have locally.To give some examples of totals in some larger threads over the lastcouple of days: Subject Local gmaneKde menu1112MythTV vs. Gentoo VDR 9 10 PORTAGE_ELOG error2428strange [ file2731can't install ati-drivers 1316 How packages becomes stable?8 9Unable to mount root fs on uknown - block (0,0) 1417I have confirmed that that I have locally is exactly what I have in gmail, so the problem is not local, and they are not caught anywhere ingmail's spam filters.What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue withgmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issuessending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be apainfully annoying job ;-)I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having absolutely no problems with, although they are somewhat less active than thegentoo-user one.Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is thecorrect way to go about locating and confronting this issue? Thanks for any advise.Ralph-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux)iD8DBQFEyFGzCt0ZF9kLPvYRAjlMAJ9INepH8Zz4ceFCf+jXKmFDu7onkQCcC5n4TuT8NnAi1cZWRU+6PIdibFk==s5g+ -END PGP SIGNATURE---gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing listhello,i hear that it's a problem with gmail, it would seem that if you sent the mail to a thread it doesn't show up in your inbox.. as it already has a copy and isn't new mail
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Frink wrote: hello, i hear that it's a problem with gmail, it would seem that if you sent the mail to a thread it doesn't show up in your inbox.. as it already has a copy and isn't new mail Hello Andrew. I am well aware of this problem which isn't a problem at all. It is not what I am referring to though, and has nothing to do with the problem described. What I am referring to are actual missing emails (never delivered). Thanks anyway for the idea/contribution ;-) - -- Ralph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEyOM/Ct0ZF9kLPvYRApJ/AJ9HDJe4QLJ3SANyZwsPDpiOY6YYDwCeIU5f zcVkNJDTnnAGORpsoV/1guY= =QwZR -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
Andrew Frink wrote: On 7/27/06, Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hiya, For the last 2 years I have been archiving structurally all my gentoo-user mails I have received into MySQL. In the last few months I have noticed that I have been receiving more and more broken threads (In-Reply-To and References), indicating missing mails from those threads. At present I use gmail to receive the mail which is then downloaded via fetchmail to my imap server. Recently I added the gmane.linux.gentoo.user newsgroup to my thunderbird to make some comparisons between that I am receiving and what they are receiving. To my surprise I am missing between 1 and 4 messages per thread (of more than let's say 10 messages). It is not a threading problem, and not a pop3 problem ~ I can confirm that what I have in gmail is what I have locally. To give some examples of totals in some larger threads over the last couple of days: Subject Local gmane Kde menu 11 12 MythTV vs. Gentoo VDR 9 10 PORTAGE_ELOG error24 28 strange [ file27 31 can't install ati-drivers 13 16 How packages becomes stable? 8 9 Unable to mount root fs on uknown - block (0,0) 14 17 I have confirmed that that I have locally is exactly what I have in gmail, so the problem is not local, and they are not caught anywhere in gmail's spam filters. What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue with gmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issues sending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be a painfully annoying job ;-) I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having absolutely no problems with, although they are somewhat less active than the gentoo-user one. Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is the correct way to go about locating and confronting this issue? Thanks for any advise. Ralph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEyFGzCt0ZF9kLPvYRAjlMAJ9INepH8Zz4ceFCf+jXKmFDu7onkQCcC5n4 TuT8NnAi1cZWRU+6PIdibFk= =s5g+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list hello, i hear that it's a problem with gmail, it would seem that if you sent the mail to a thread it doesn't show up in your inbox.. as it already has a copy and isn't new mail This seems not the problem in this case as I'm using GMail and am receiving all the mail's to the mailing list. The feature of GMail whereby the mail sent by the person is treated as duplicate when received through list is not guilty of this problem, as Ralf has not sent any replies to the above mentioned thread's (did not had the time to check every thread, but checked two). This seems like a problem which is affecting some subscribers and not all. This is odd. Hope this gets resolved soon. Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgpxNejYXGOzM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
On 7/27/06, Farhan Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope this gets resolved soon. I filed an infra bug report here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141904 -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
On 27 July 2006 13:42, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: I am not missing any mails. How did you verify? Since he isn't seeing them, he doesn't miss them. ;-) Uwe -- Mark Twain: I rather decline two drinks than a German adjective. http://www.SysEx.com.na -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
On Thursday 27 July 2006 15:16, Uwe Thiem wrote: On 27 July 2006 13:42, Alexander Skwar wrote: Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: I am not missing any mails. How did you verify? Since he isn't seeing them, he doesn't miss them. ;-) exactly ;) not really - I am not missing them, because threads seem to be intact. Until today, because I can't see my own message yay Murphy at work. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Fish wrote: On 7/27/06, Farhan Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hope this gets resolved soon. I filed an infra bug report here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141904 -Richard I couldn't find this thread on gmane. Anyone got a link to the thread? Or could tell me how many posts there have been before mine? I would like to contribute to the bug report if I am seeing the problem too. Thanks, - -- Jeremy Olexa ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Office: EE/CS 1-201 CS/IT Systems Staff University of Minnesota -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFEyYm9FN7pD9kMi/URAkoDAJ9klpCZEU27K9Ot3IewiFvh8xK8wgCfcsrz nHH/4+or3ezUYv7rRT71i/g= =Wvik -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
Jeremy Olexa wrote: [...] I filed an infra bug report here: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141904 I couldn't find this thread on gmane. Anyone got a link to the thread? Or could tell me how many posts there have been before mine? I would like to contribute to the bug report if I am seeing the problem too. You can find the link in the bug report quoted above. Anyway the the link to this thread on gmane is : http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/14/focus=14 There have been 14 posts to this thread before you (including the starting thread). This count is according to GMane as well as according to my mail client. Farhan Ahmed -- Place : Bangalore, Karnataka, India GPG Key : 8BE90E98 WengoPhone ID : farhanahmed IRC Nick: farhanahmed / farhanahmed06 (irc.freenode.net) pgpEvHJEPqnyr.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Olexa wrote: I couldn't find this thread on gmane. Anyone got a link to the thread? Or could tell me how many posts there have been before mine? I would like to contribute to the bug report if I am seeing the problem too. In the bug report is the url ;-) http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/14/focus=14 - - Ralph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEyZ6bCt0ZF9kLPvYRArO9AJ4tndOBK49RUT4o5dL9posxAVBuMACePOW0 w0yeId/2DZNfFBE17QeKf1o= =RsED -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hiya, For the last 2 years I have been archiving structurally all my gentoo-user mails I have received into MySQL. In the last few months I have noticed that I have been receiving more and more broken threads (In-Reply-To and References), indicating missing mails from those threads. At present I use gmail to receive the mail which is then downloaded via fetchmail to my imap server. Recently I added the gmane.linux.gentoo.user newsgroup to my thunderbird to make some comparisons between that I am receiving and what they are receiving. To my surprise I am missing between 1 and 4 messages per thread (of more than let's say 10 messages). It is not a threading problem, and not a pop3 problem ~ I can confirm that what I have in gmail is what I have locally. To give some examples of totals in some larger threads over the last couple of days: Subject Local gmane Kde menu 11 12 MythTV vs. Gentoo VDR 9 10 PORTAGE_ELOG error24 28 strange [ file27 31 can't install ati-drivers 13 16 How packages becomes stable? 8 9 Unable to mount root fs on uknown - block (0,0) 14 17 I have confirmed that that I have locally is exactly what I have in gmail, so the problem is not local, and they are not caught anywhere in gmail's spam filters. What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue with gmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issues sending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be a painfully annoying job ;-) I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having absolutely no problems with, although they are somewhat less active than the gentoo-user one. Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is the correct way to go about locating and confronting this issue? Thanks for any advise. Ralph -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEyFGzCt0ZF9kLPvYRAjlMAJ9INepH8Zz4ceFCf+jXKmFDu7onkQCcC5n4 TuT8NnAi1cZWRU+6PIdibFk= =s5g+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
