Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On 4 Nov 2009, at 18:14, Erik wrote: Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! ... My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. The thing is that day of the week for religious observance is intuitive - it should default to Sunday in the west, Saturday in certain regions, and Pastafarians can select the day appropriate to their observance. The meaning of day for religious observance is quite obvious - that it applies to the common case of a recurring weekly all-day event. Consequently the strip club joke is unhelpful because one doesn't usually take the whole day off for this reason. I don't use KDE myself, so I'm left to wonder if it's possible to have multiple dayS of the week for religious observance - I believe Jews observe from Friday evening through the weekend. Can this be marked by the same mechanism? How about the secular? In the west we usually have both Saturday and Sunday off from our office jobs. Are these clearly marked in a similar manner? If I agreed with my boss to work weekend technical support and have Mondays and Tuesdays off, could I change it so these are displayed as my weekend? Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
Stroller skrev: The thing is that day of the week for religious observance is intuitive Probably for those who are into that kind of stuff. For others it can be disturbing. Same for strip club night. - it should default to Sunday in the west, Saturday in certain regions, and Pastafarians can select the day appropriate to their observance. The thing with secular societies/desktop environments is that they do not make assumptions about people's beliefs or religious habits. Especially not based on which region they live in. They do not treat religious activities as special compared to other social or recreational activities. The meaning of day for religious observance is quite obvious - that it applies to the common case of a recurring weekly all-day event. Consequently the strip club joke is unhelpful because one doesn't usually take the whole day off for this reason. I have read that many common religious activities also only last one or maybe up to a few hours. The reason that western people get whole Sunday off is not that they are supposed to go to church all day. (Obviously, since we also get Saturdays off.) It is simply that demanding work requires rest and recreation. I don't use KDE myself, so I'm left to wonder if it's possible to have multiple dayS of the week for religious observance No. In the west we usually have both Saturday and Sunday off from our office jobs. Are these clearly marked in a similar manner? Yes (actually it is Monday-Friday that are marked). If I agreed with my boss to work weekend technical support and have Mondays and Tuesdays off, could I change it so these are displayed as my weekend? It appears so. You could set First work day to Wednesday and Last work day to Sunday. If you literally want the 2 free days to be the weekend, you set First day of week to Wednesday. If you want to mark your special activity day, you could set Night of the week for strip club attendance to Tuesday. But if you agree with your boss to work Tuesday-Thurday and Saturaday-Sunday, you are out of luck. KDE is not designed to handle it. To allow that, there should be 2 checkboxes for each weekday; Work and Special activity. That would even work for the jews that you mentioned.
[gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
With KDE4 I suddenly have bloody sexist stuff on my desktop!!! When I configure country/region and language, there is an option for Night of the week for strip club attendance: It even seems to have a weekday selected by default! Has KDE been taken over by the sex industry? (Or was it Gentoo that sneaked it in?). It was certainly not there in KDE3 and I would never install weirdo stuff like Gnaughty, so what the hell is that option for? Will it set a special wallpaper that day? And it is not even explained in the manual! That makes it even more suspicious. The last part of the manual section says Till sist finns en kombinationsruta som heter Första dag i veckan, som låter dig välja vilken dag som är den första i veckan i ditt land. (Which means: Finally there is a combobox called First day of week, that lets you chose which day is first in the week in your country.) So there should not exist any further options after First day of week.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:45:00 +0100, Erik wrote: The last part of the manual section says Till sist finns en kombinationsruta som heter Första dag i veckan, som låter dig välja vilken dag som är den första i veckan i ditt land. (Which means: Finally there is a combobox called First day of week, that lets you chose which day is first in the week in your country.) So there should not exist any further options after First day of week. There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! -- Neil Bothwick Guillotine operator wanted. Chance to get ahead. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wednesday 04 November 2009 14:45:00 Erik wrote: With KDE4 I suddenly have bloody sexist stuff on my desktop!!! When I configure country/region and language, there is an option for Night of the week for strip club attendance: Hey, I don't have that! Not fair! What package is it in? I'd find that feature insanely useful, I'm always forgetting which night of the week the strip joints are open (then I miss the fun) -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! But installing Linux for a little old lady or person of uptight morals, and it is likely to offend and possibly drive the user away from the platform. Stroller.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:06:28 +, Stroller wrote: I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Like a lot of humour, I see it as both. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! But installing Linux for a little old lady or person of uptight morals, and it is likely to offend and possibly drive the user away from the platform. The other problem, as Nikos mentioned, is that it hides the real meaning of the option. -- Neil Bothwick Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Mittwoch 04 November 2009, Erik wrote: Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people. sounds like PC crap. Sundays are marked special, because most people don't have to work. Shops are closed and stuff like that. There is no need to bring in religion.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:15:52 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mittwoch 04 November 2009, Erik wrote: Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people. sounds like PC crap. Sundays are marked special, because most people don't have to work. Shops are closed and stuff like that. There is no need to bring in religion. Well there really is. God rested on the seventh day, and therefore no labor was tolerated on the seventh day of the week, Sunday. People not working on Sundays, is traditionally to make time for going to church, but in a society without God, it has been kept because it's nice to have a set day off, every week. And in societies that aren't Christian the Sunday free day has been kept for either the resting day of God, or because of that being the standard around the world. So really, there's every need to bring in religion into the consideration, if one was to make a serious consideration of how this might be acceptable to everyone. Zeerak
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Donnerstag 05 November 2009, Zeerak Waseem wrote: On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:15:52 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann volkerar...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mittwoch 04 November 2009, Erik wrote: Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people. sounds like PC crap. Sundays are marked special, because most people don't have to work. Shops are closed and stuff like that. There is no need to bring in religion. Well there really is. God rested on the seventh day, and therefore no labor was tolerated on the seventh day of the week, Sunday. blabla. I am really doubting that the jews were the only one with a free day once in a while. Also, if you go back that far, it should be Friday and not the heathen sun day. Besides, it does not matter what it was in the past. It only matters what it is today: a day off once a week. Every week.
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Mittwoch 04 November 2009, Erik wrote: Stroller skrev: On 4 Nov 2009, at 13:22, Neil Bothwick wrote: ... There are four options here, first day of week, first working day of week, last working day of week and day of the week for religious observance. It would appear your locale uses a different translation! I am torn as whether to find this funny or improper. Only when I know what it's supposed to say I really like the joke that both are equally important. Why indeed give religious observance a higher priority?!?! I have encountered arguments like this: Yes, there's a setting for that in the country/region settings module but if you're not interested in it, it won't bother you. If you are, you can have kontact or the calendar plasmoid show those days as special. That's it. Sounds unproblematic to me. My point is of course that in my desktop environment, I do not want an option for either strip club attendance, religious observance, or anything else that someone else might want to do once a week. I would prefer to keep the desktop environment neutral (secular) by default. If there is indeed a need for such an option to make sundays red in the calendar, it would be more proper to call it sometning more neutral, like Weekly holiday, Ceremonial weekday or Special weekday. The user can then let that mean lap dance, prayer, family dinner, hiking, hacking or whatever he may be interested in. Yes, I know that holiday sounds like holy day, but it still feels broader than relious observance. According to wikipedia, a holiday can mean among other things official or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance. So the phrase Weekly holiday covers the current meaning of the KDE option, but is meaningful even to secular people. Therefore changing the phrase would make KDE usage more acceptable in secular countries and by secular people. sounds like PC crap. Sundays are marked special, because most people don't have to work. Shops are closed and stuff like that. There is no need to bring in religion. We think alike here. I was thinking PC crap as I read that, maybe not crap but anyway. We got ESP or something? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New KDE4 option: night of the week for strip club attendance WTF?
On Donnerstag 05 November 2009, Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: sounds like PC crap. Sundays are marked special, because most people don't have to work. Shops are closed and stuff like that. There is no need to bring in religion. We think alike here. I was thinking PC crap as I read that, maybe not crap but anyway. We got ESP or something? Dale more like 'great minds think alike' *g*
