Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 5/25/2010 10:34 PM, Arttu V. wrote: On 5/25/10, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo. I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna mess up grub. You'll minimize your grub configuration work and pretty much neutralize any risk to your currently installed OSes by testing and trying out Gentoo in a virtualized system. For example VirtualBox is freely available and takes only a few mouse clicks to configure a virtual machine specifically suitable for Gentoo (or Ubuntu, or Linux Mint, or Fedora, or OpenSUSE, or ...), then you just attach the CD ISO to the virtual machine (clickety-click, 3 clicks if it's on the Desktop?), and boot (doubleclick). Next you do the install, which in Gentoo's case means following the Gentoo Handbook. You can keep important tools like irc-client, your favourite search engine and Gentoo Handbook browser window running in the host OS, jumping between the host and guest with a single mouse click and right ctrl key to get back. And that's just using the default settings out of the box. Try it out once. It hooked me after the 15 minutes it took to make the first virtual image (and that's where I read all the labels and options). Naturally, YMMV. will try that out soon thanks :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJL/MgaAAoJEFsDLiKSAHN6USkIALP2tzZHLchWPivoD/hdBXVX UXyO4TW+G4WnL3EaVd1oil85tLZ1btlN2yZ2MffQwFXRSemoUHtqcBZrcAd8/+ie judw6ZEX3VAyut3JCgNIMaFi+RTWhcxXMshNumyBU1XayfVKQcurcBr8FV//Oj+J tV/IITg+GeDiUfHbIr8l8/k7I+SIZ70u8uqhtcpwp8vAGju4ASW9jVygNMtb+onT zutRH1yNGe5NUErx63BJZ/ur4HRJogq3ewkwrc5zqAmTouegNt1z+XLJjt1UEmY0 +/Wi7ejsRARkRSWJTbonaA0uU19/y/Y968ECEyxNXWH7d2rONIKWXhLmdeAeklo= =VWTG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[gentoo-user] Newbie question
Hi, I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo. I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna mess up grub. Thanks
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo. I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna mess up grub. Thanks If Arch uses grub then just skip the Gentoo grub install and use what's already installed. Add the Gentoo boot stuff to your existing grub.conf file and you're good to go. - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
On 5/25/2010 9:04 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo. I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna mess up grub. Thanks If Arch uses grub then just skip the Gentoo grub install and use what's already installed. Add the Gentoo boot stuff to your existing grub.conf file and you're good to go. - Mark Yea I thought of that but what do i have to add to menu.lst (this one right?).
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
100525 Madhurya Kakati wrote: I am currently using Archlinux and Windows 7 and want to try out Gentoo. Welcome aboard ! -- Gentoo requires a bit of work, time attention, but is not difficult gives you real control on how you use your machine. I guess Grub will be overwritten by Gentoo, Not really. but will it contain the options to boot Arch kernel images automatically? You can keep your whole Arch M$ systems in separate partitions, while installing Gentoo on another partition(s) alongside. I really dont wanna mess up Grub. I use Lilo, which is easier if you don't change things often, but you sb able to find advice re Grub here or on the Gentoo Forum. First, read the Gentoo User's Guide carefully, then follow it to the letter when you install Gentoo. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
Philip, Thanks for the detailed answer. On 5/25/2010 9:09 PM, Philip Webb wrote: 100525 Madhurya Kakati wrote: I am currently using Archlinux and Windows 7 and want to try out Gentoo. Welcome aboard ! -- Gentoo requires a bit of work, time attention, but is not difficult gives you real control on how you use your machine. Only reason i will be using gentoo is for this ;) I guess Grub will be overwritten by Gentoo, Not really. but will it contain the options to boot Arch kernel images automatically? You can keep your whole Arch M$ systems in separate partitions, while installing Gentoo on another partition(s) alongside. I really dont wanna mess up Grub. I use Lilo, which is easier if you don't change things often, but you sb able to find advice re Grub here or on the Gentoo Forum. First, read the Gentoo User's Guide carefully, then follow it to the letter when you install Gentoo. I have read that many times. Just need to get a printout now.
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
Madhurya Kakati writes: Philip, Thanks for the detailed answer. Yeah, that was a nice one. On 5/25/2010 9:09 PM, Philip Webb wrote: 100525 Madhurya Kakati wrote: I am currently using Archlinux and Windows 7 and want to try out Gentoo. Welcome aboard ! -- Gentoo requires a bit of work, time attention, but is not difficult gives you real control on how you use your machine. Only reason i will be using gentoo is for this ;) I guess Grub will be overwritten by Gentoo, Not really. but will it contain the options to boot Arch kernel images automatically? Gentoo itself does nothing - there is no automatic installer, YOU do the whole installation. You do not want to overwrite Grub? Well, then just skip this section in the Gentoo Handbook. Just add an entry for your Gentoo to you menu.lst. If you do not know what to add exactly, well, I'd suggest to read a little more about grub :) Gentoo is special, there are many things to do by yourself, which users of other distributions often do not have to do. You can keep your whole Arch M$ systems in separate partitions, while installing Gentoo on another partition(s) alongside. I really dont wanna mess up Grub. Well, just add something like kernel /vmlinuz-gentoo root=/dev/sda7 to the menu.lst, but the exact parameters depend on your setup. In this case, Arch Linux and Gentoo would use the same /boot partition, so you just select another kernel image, and give the root device as kernel parameter. If it does not work, reboot into Arch Linux, and fix the error. And ask here if you are having problems. First, read the Gentoo User's Guide carefully, then follow it to the letter when you install Gentoo. I have read that many times. Just need to get a printout now. Just in case you print it so have it handy when installing Gentoo... there's probably no need for that (unless your are changing the architecture from 32bit to 64bit, then this would not work). You do not need to boot from a Gentoo CD, as you already have a running Linux, with everything needed to set up partitions for Gentoo, output some Gentoo stuff into them, and chroot into the new Gentoo system and do the rest of the install. So, boot into Arch Linux, and then do the Gentoo install. And keep using your Arch system until you think Gentoo is fully operational. Wonko
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question
On 5/25/10, Madhurya Kakati mkakati2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am currently using archlinux and windows 7 and want to try out gentoo. I guess grub will be overwritten by gentoo but will it contain the options to boot arch kernel images automatically? I really dont wanna mess up grub. You'll minimize your grub configuration work and pretty much neutralize any risk to your currently installed OSes by testing and trying out Gentoo in a virtualized system. For example VirtualBox is freely available and takes only a few mouse clicks to configure a virtual machine specifically suitable for Gentoo (or Ubuntu, or Linux Mint, or Fedora, or OpenSUSE, or ...), then you just attach the CD ISO to the virtual machine (clickety-click, 3 clicks if it's on the Desktop?), and boot (doubleclick). Next you do the install, which in Gentoo's case means following the Gentoo Handbook. You can keep important tools like irc-client, your favourite search engine and Gentoo Handbook browser window running in the host OS, jumping between the host and guest with a single mouse click and right ctrl key to get back. And that's just using the default settings out of the box. Try it out once. It hooked me after the 15 minutes it took to make the first virtual image (and that's where I read all the labels and options). Naturally, YMMV. -- Arttu V.
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
Am Dienstag, 25. April 2006 18:00 schrieb ext K. Mike Bradley: Thanks for the URL, but I had this question after reading this very document. It doesn't explain the history or the reason there are two /bin, /sbin. It's from the very beginning of Unix. Harddisks where small (or they even used tapes), so /*bin contained only enough stuff to boot the system and mount more filesystems, which contained the stuff needed by the users (thus /usr). HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpgmNy8kD9Ld.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
Am Dienstag, 25. April 2006 20:11 schrieb ext Herman Grootaers: The division is not so strange as it seems. In */sbin the binaries placed are used by the systemuser root, that means the binaries can be used by anyone. in */bin the binaries are under user-control that is they are owned by the user who created the binary. Neither /bin nor /usr/bin is under user control. They just contain tools which can be used by unpriviledged users. In /sbin are therefore the general utilities which are necessary to boot the system, in /bin the rest of the utilities, in /usr and /opt are placed the programs which are installed by the user. The first one is for the standard applications, the latter is for the optional software, although some will install in /usr. No, sorry, this is simply wrong. /sbin and /bin contain the things necessary at boot time, /sbin should only be relevant to root, while /bin contains things which can be _used_ by anyone. /usr/bin and /usr/sbin contains things which are not anymore relevant for booting (read: to mount other filesystems). However, the distinction between /usr/bin and /usr/sbin is the same as for /bin and /sbin. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpYOHlQxTurh.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
Am Mittwoch, 26. April 2006 02:39 schrieb ext K. Mike Bradley: I am used to Windows people and if I bottom post they wonder why there is a reply with no message. Try to explain it to them. http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html should help. Bye... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hambornerstraße 55 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40472 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net pgpE82UhBGx2O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:39:25 -0400, K. Mike Bradley wrote: I am used to Windows people and if I bottom post they wonder why there is a reply with no message. Either they are using small screens/large fonts or you need to trim your quotes. It shouldn't usually be necessary to quote so much before your first response that there is no original comment visible. -- Neil Bothwick No program done by a hacker will work unless he is on the system. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
I wonder if anyone can explain why /usr was created? It has a /bin and /sbin with similar binaries as the root equivalents. I have read that it's called the secondary hierarchy and it's sharable and meant to be read only (these days) ... but what is it for and why do we have duplication of /bin and /sbin? Thanks. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
On 4/25/06, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if anyone can explain why /usr was created? It has a /bin and /sbin with similar binaries as the root equivalents. I have read that it's called the secondary hierarchy and it's sharable and meant to be read only (these days) ... but what is it for and why do we have duplication of /bin and /sbin? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html Justin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
Thanks for the URL, but I had this question after reading this very document. It doesn't explain the history or the reason there are two /bin, /sbin. -Original Message- From: Justin Findlay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:36 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr On 4/25/06, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if anyone can explain why /usr was created? It has a /bin and /sbin with similar binaries as the root equivalents. I have read that it's called the secondary hierarchy and it's sharable and meant to be read only (these days) ... but what is it for and why do we have duplication of /bin and /sbin? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html Justin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
On 4/25/06, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the URL, but I had this question after reading this very document. It doesn't explain the history or the reason there are two /bin, /sbin. /bin contains commands that may be used by both the system administrator and by users, but which are required when no other filesystems are mounted /usr/bin : Most user commands That's why. Justin -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
On 4/25/06, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if anyone can explain why /usr was created? The idea is that / can be a very small partition and contains everything necessary to boot and administer the system, and /usr can be a separate partition or logical volume. Some advantages to this setup are: 1. If the partition containing /usr is corrupted, the system will still boot, and you have enough tools (fdisk, mkfs, tar, cpio, etc) to repair and restore it. 2. /usr can be on a network server. 3. On the network server, exporting /usr presents no risk to /. Even if /usr is filled up, the server will continue to function and can still be administered. This is why: - command interpreters like bash, ash, etc go in /bin - network clients and remote shells (ssh, telnet, etc) go in /usr/bin - network, filesystem, and disk utilities go in /bin - large text editors (emacs, etc) go in /usr/bin - small text editors (vi, vim) go in /bin - X, KDE, Gnome, et al are in /usr - and so on... That said, you wll find a lot of desktop systems (mine included) that have / and /usr on the same filesystem. It's a matter of taste and what you will be using the system for whether you should make /usr a separate filesystem or not. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
On Tuesday 25 April 2006 18:00, K. Mike Bradley wrote: Thanks for the URL, but I had this question after reading this very document. It doesn't explain the history or the reason there are two /bin, /sbin. -Original Message- From: Justin Findlay [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:36 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr On 4/25/06, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder if anyone can explain why /usr was created? It has a /bin and /sbin with similar binaries as the root equivalents. I have read that it's called the secondary hierarchy and it's sharable and meant to be read only (these days) ... but what is it for and why do we have duplication of /bin and /sbin? The duplications is of old. The binaries are to be stored in /sbin; /bin; /usr/bin; /usr/sbin and optionally in /opt/bin or /opt/sbin. The division is not so strange as it seems. In */sbin the binaries placed are used by the systemuser root, that means the binaries can be used by anyone. in */bin the binaries are under user-control that is they are owned by the user who created the binary. In /sbin are therefore the general utilities which are necessary to boot the system, in /bin the rest of the utilities, in /usr and /opt are placed the programs which are installed by the user. The first one is for the standard applications, the latter is for the optional software, although some will install in /usr. Problem however is that the different writers of software do not comply with this division and come up with an other scheme to install their software. That makes maintenance of a system with parts of more than one distribution harder to maintain than in a single distribution, It also makes tracking down bugs harder. I hope this will help. == Herman Grootaers -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
On 4/25/06, K. Mike Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Richard. BTW, on this list it is considered polite to quote messages above your replies (no top-posting), and to trim the quoted message down to just the necessary parts. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
Hi, I know the question has already been answered but a little bit of time ago I wrote this in response to a similar question. I hope it helps others that are reading the q. http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2120 Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] Newbie question re: /usr
Sorry I top posted. Forgot I was on a Linux list. I am used to Windows people and if I bottom post they wonder why there is a reply with no message. Thanks to all of you. That really helped my understanding. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question : specific software version no more available
Thanks a bunch to you Iain and richard as well for pointing me into the right direction ! I ll have a look @ this PORTDIR_OVERLAY feature. Cheers seb Iain Buchanan wrote: On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:37 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 3/22/06, sebastien Pastor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 Is there a way for me to be able to download somehow version 2.3.3 You can look in /usr/portage/media-sound/ecasound/ to see what versions are available. Unfortunately for you, there is only 2.4.3 :( If version 2.3.3 still existed, you could install that specifically by saying: emerge =media-sound/ecasound-2.3.3 But since it's not there you'll either have to find the ebuild for it, or upgrade to 2.4.3. 2 If not, anyone could tell me how long packages are kept in the repository Usually the latest stable ebuilds are kept. When there is a security update or bug fix, the affected ebuilds are usually deleted. When a new version becomes sufficiently tested and stable, older versions are deleted if there are no dependencies on them. and what would be the process if i really need to stick with one version which is no longer there? If you _must_ have a particular version for ever, then use the PORTDIR_OVERLAY in /etc/make.conf HTH, -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Newbie question : specific software version no more available
Hi guys! First post in the list for me. It s probably a dumb question but i could not figure out any answer. On a gentoo 2005.1 system i am running a set of scripts which rely on specific binary tools like (ecasound and mjpegtools). When i got all those scripts stabilized, i really wanted to keep exactly same version of binaries. After installing a new server, i got the surprise not being able to use ecasound-2.3.3, the only version available is the 2.4.3. So my questions are : 1 Is there a way for me to be able to download somehow version 2.3.3 2 If not, anyone could tell me how long packages are kept in the repository and what would be the process if i really need to stick with one version which is no longer there? Thanks in advance ! Seb -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question : specific software version no more available
On 3/22/06, sebastien Pastor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 Is there a way for me to be able to download somehow version 2.3.3 2 If not, anyone could tell me how long packages are kept in the repository and what would be the process if i really need to stick with one version which is no longer there? The best option is to create a PORTAGE_OVERLAY with the ebuilds that you want to keep. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Newbie question : specific software version no more available
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 11:37 -0700, Richard Fish wrote: On 3/22/06, sebastien Pastor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 Is there a way for me to be able to download somehow version 2.3.3 You can look in /usr/portage/media-sound/ecasound/ to see what versions are available. Unfortunately for you, there is only 2.4.3 :( If version 2.3.3 still existed, you could install that specifically by saying: emerge =media-sound/ecasound-2.3.3 But since it's not there you'll either have to find the ebuild for it, or upgrade to 2.4.3. 2 If not, anyone could tell me how long packages are kept in the repository Usually the latest stable ebuilds are kept. When there is a security update or bug fix, the affected ebuilds are usually deleted. When a new version becomes sufficiently tested and stable, older versions are deleted if there are no dependencies on them. and what would be the process if i really need to stick with one version which is no longer there? If you _must_ have a particular version for ever, then use the PORTDIR_OVERLAY in /etc/make.conf HTH, -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au There is no distinction between any AI program and some existent game. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
