Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The problem. After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up tight. I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K menu thingy either. Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door nail. I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works in KDE just fine. I can also switch to a console too. Killing X and restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case. I don't have to reload drivers or restart the system. I do go back and downgrade the drivers after testing it. I recently started having trouble where KDE becomes unresponsive at login and logout for about 20 seconds or more. In my case it was because of pulseaudio and KDE not getting along together for some reason. The facts are a bit more nuanced but the work-around that makes everything normal for me again was to edit /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop and add a line which says: NotShowIn=KDE Maybe unrelated to your problem but I thought I would mention it just in case.
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
Paul Hartman wrote: On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: The problem. After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up tight. I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K menu thingy either. Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door nail. I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works in KDE just fine. I can also switch to a console too. Killing X and restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case. I don't have to reload drivers or restart the system. I do go back and downgrade the drivers after testing it. I recently started having trouble where KDE becomes unresponsive at login and logout for about 20 seconds or more. In my case it was because of pulseaudio and KDE not getting along together for some reason. The facts are a bit more nuanced but the work-around that makes everything normal for me again was to edit /etc/xdg/autostart/pulseaudio.desktop and add a line which says: NotShowIn=KDE Maybe unrelated to your problem but I thought I would mention it just in case. I don't use pulseaudio but thanks for the post tho. If I did, could have helped. :-) Also, I still have two posts I have not replied to because it hasn't locked up yet. I haven't been able to test the things yet. If it locks up again, will reply with the results. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
On Sun, 26 May 2013 07:10:53 -0500 Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/05/2013 13:03, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote: What package provides the kicker thingy? I think in KDE3 it was called kicker but it appears to have changed to something else. Is that krunner that has it now? Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real names of things a little more :-) What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2? The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun, video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal with mouse pointer repaints... Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun) The thingy is the thing at the bottom where I can switch desktops, click the K menu and where my clock is. I think it was called Kicker in KDE3. KDE4 seems to have changed it but not sure what the new name is. It's a plasma widget called a panel, the only useful thing it does is to be a container for other widgets that do useful stuff. The panel is started by plasma-desktop as one of the standard widgets it manages. The idea is to give you stuff on the screen that looks more or less like a familiar desktop. Plasma can do other things and give you completely different layouts; like for instance not giving you a panel at all. This would be useful on a phone with small screen The whole thing is heavily event based and has to react to a bucket load of system events being generated such as what the mouse is doing. There's a fantastic number of ways this could go wrong, some might be plasma's fault, some might be faults that happen to plasma I'll try to remember to call it a panel thingy then. ROFL I hope they fix this thing soon. If they remove the driver from the tree, I'm in a bit of a pickle. No, you won't be. You have the ebuild right now, copy it to your overlay and remove becomes something that will not happen Last time I did that, it didn't work out well. Actually, it just plain didn't work. May as well tell it like it is. ;-) I'll save a copy just in case. Cross that bridge when I get there I guess. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! I suspect it's the fact your using the ~arch version of kde (4.10.3) is not fully stable yet and yes there be bugs in them valleys.
[gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
Howdy, I been letting portage upgrade nvidia drivers as usual. Thing is, the last two or three drivers seems to cause a issue. First, versions that cause the issue: =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.12 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.17 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.23 I'm currently using this one which works fine: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-313.30 This is KDE info: [IP-] [ ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.3-r2 Video card info: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 069a Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18 Memory at fb00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at de00 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at ef00 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at d000 [disabled] [size=512K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information: Len=14 ? Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting ? Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=024 ? Kernel driver in use: nvidia Kernel modules: nvidia The problem. After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up tight. I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K menu thingy either. Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door nail. I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works in KDE just fine. I can also switch to a console too. Killing X and restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case. I don't have to reload drivers or restart the system. I do go back and downgrade the drivers after testing it. So, is this a nvidia bug, KDE bug or is it something else? Since it works when I go back a version of nvidia, it looks like nvidia. Think is, it only affects KDE and nothing else. Is it possible that my card is not supposed to use the 319.* series of drivers? The versions that don't work are all 319.* series. Thoughts? Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
On 26/05/2013 11:12, Dale wrote: Howdy, I been letting portage upgrade nvidia drivers as usual. Thing is, the last two or three drivers seems to cause a issue. First, versions that cause the issue: =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.12 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.17 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.23 I'm currently using this one which works fine: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-313.30 This is KDE info: [IP-] [ ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.3-r2 Video card info: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 069a Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18 Memory at fb00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at de00 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at ef00 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at d000 [disabled] [size=512K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information: Len=14 ? Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting ? Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=024 ? Kernel driver in use: nvidia Kernel modules: nvidia The problem. After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up tight. I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K menu thingy either. Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door nail. I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works in KDE just fine. I can also switch to a console too. Killing X and restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case. I don't have to reload drivers or restart the system. I do go back and downgrade the drivers after testing it. So, is this a nvidia bug, KDE bug or is it something else? Since it works when I go back a version of nvidia, it looks like nvidia. Think is, it only affects KDE and nothing else. Is it possible that my card is not supposed to use the 319.* series of drivers? The versions that don't work are all 319.* series. I get a similar issue, my video card is an ATI and I use the radeon drivers. Same symptom as you - plasma stops updating it's widgets like clocks and stops responding to the mouse. Keyboard works. In my case, it's usually linked to nfs and smb mounts that went away (eg, if I forget to umount my NFS media server at home and go to work) which indicates a blocking issue somehow. I've read many reports on the internet that krunner is somehow involved, so that might be a good starting point for investigation. krunner is the thing you get in KDE when typing Alt-F2 -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
Alan McKinnon wrote: I get a similar issue, my video card is an ATI and I use the radeon drivers. Same symptom as you - plasma stops updating it's widgets like clocks and stops responding to the mouse. Keyboard works. In my case, it's usually linked to nfs and smb mounts that went away (eg, if I forget to umount my NFS media server at home and go to work) which indicates a blocking issue somehow. I've read many reports on the internet that krunner is somehow involved, so that might be a good starting point for investigation. krunner is the thing you get in KDE when typing Alt-F2 So this may not be a nvidia issue at all since you get the same with a ATI card. Right? What package provides the kicker thingy? I think in KDE3 it was called kicker but it appears to have changed to something else. Is that krunner that has it now? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: I get a similar issue, my video card is an ATI and I use the radeon drivers. Same symptom as you - plasma stops updating it's widgets like clocks and stops responding to the mouse. Keyboard works. In my case, it's usually linked to nfs and smb mounts that went away (eg, if I forget to umount my NFS media server at home and go to work) which indicates a blocking issue somehow. I've read many reports on the internet that krunner is somehow involved, so that might be a good starting point for investigation. krunner is the thing you get in KDE when typing Alt-F2 So this may not be a nvidia issue at all since you get the same with a ATI card. Right? yes What package provides the kicker thingy? I think in KDE3 it was called kicker but it appears to have changed to something else. Is that krunner that has it now? Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real names of things a little more :-) What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2? The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun, video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal with mouse pointer repaints... Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun) -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote: What package provides the kicker thingy? I think in KDE3 it was called kicker but it appears to have changed to something else. Is that krunner that has it now? Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real names of things a little more :-) What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2? The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun, video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal with mouse pointer repaints... Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun) The thingy is the thing at the bottom where I can switch desktops, click the K menu and where my clock is. I think it was called Kicker in KDE3. KDE4 seems to have changed it but not sure what the new name is. I hope they fix this thing soon. If they remove the driver from the tree, I'm in a bit of a pickle. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
On 26/05/2013 13:03, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote: What package provides the kicker thingy? I think in KDE3 it was called kicker but it appears to have changed to something else. Is that krunner that has it now? Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real names of things a little more :-) What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2? The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun, video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal with mouse pointer repaints... Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun) The thingy is the thing at the bottom where I can switch desktops, click the K menu and where my clock is. I think it was called Kicker in KDE3. KDE4 seems to have changed it but not sure what the new name is. It's a plasma widget called a panel, the only useful thing it does is to be a container for other widgets that do useful stuff. The panel is started by plasma-desktop as one of the standard widgets it manages. The idea is to give you stuff on the screen that looks more or less like a familiar desktop. Plasma can do other things and give you completely different layouts; like for instance not giving you a panel at all. This would be useful on a phone with small screen The whole thing is heavily event based and has to react to a bucket load of system events being generated such as what the mouse is doing. There's a fantastic number of ways this could go wrong, some might be plasma's fault, some might be faults that happen to plasma I hope they fix this thing soon. If they remove the driver from the tree, I'm in a bit of a pickle. No, you won't be. You have the ebuild right now, copy it to your overlay and remove becomes something that will not happen -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/05/2013 13:03, Dale wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On 26/05/2013 11:51, Dale wrote: What package provides the kicker thingy? I think in KDE3 it was called kicker but it appears to have changed to something else. Is that krunner that has it now? Maybe it's time you used the thingy suffix a little less and the real names of things a little more :-) What thing are you asking about? The panel that is usually at the bottom and holds the plasma widgets? Or the thin popup you get with Alt-F2? The panel is called plasma-desktop and comes from kde-base/plasma-workspace The popup is krunner and comes from kde-base/krunner I doubt very much it's a real bug as such in either KDE app (although the fix might go in there). It looks much more to me like a side-effect of IO blocking - two or more apps are trying to get something done and unexpectedly are not getting answers, so they hang around waiting in the doorway and get get in the way of everything else. And just for fun, video drivers are also trying to get in on the act as they have to deal with mouse pointer repaints... Debugging this one is going to be fun (for peculiar definitions of fun) The thingy is the thing at the bottom where I can switch desktops, click the K menu and where my clock is. I think it was called Kicker in KDE3. KDE4 seems to have changed it but not sure what the new name is. It's a plasma widget called a panel, the only useful thing it does is to be a container for other widgets that do useful stuff. The panel is started by plasma-desktop as one of the standard widgets it manages. The idea is to give you stuff on the screen that looks more or less like a familiar desktop. Plasma can do other things and give you completely different layouts; like for instance not giving you a panel at all. This would be useful on a phone with small screen The whole thing is heavily event based and has to react to a bucket load of system events being generated such as what the mouse is doing. There's a fantastic number of ways this could go wrong, some might be plasma's fault, some might be faults that happen to plasma I'll try to remember to call it a panel thingy then. ROFL I hope they fix this thing soon. If they remove the driver from the tree, I'm in a bit of a pickle. No, you won't be. You have the ebuild right now, copy it to your overlay and remove becomes something that will not happen Last time I did that, it didn't work out well. Actually, it just plain didn't work. May as well tell it like it is. ;-) I'll save a copy just in case. Cross that bridge when I get there I guess. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
Re: [gentoo-user] Nvidia drivers and KDE problem
Am 26.05.2013 11:12, schrieb Dale: Howdy, I been letting portage upgrade nvidia drivers as usual. Thing is, the last two or three drivers seems to cause a issue. First, versions that cause the issue: =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.12 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.17 =x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-319.23 I'm currently using this one which works fine: x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-313.30 This is KDE info: [IP-] [ ] kde-base/kdelibs-4.10.3-r2 Video card info: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GT216 [GeForce GT 220] (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: NVIDIA Corporation Device 069a Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 18 Memory at fb00 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M] Memory at c000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M] Memory at de00 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=32M] I/O ports at ef00 [size=128] [virtual] Expansion ROM at d000 [disabled] [size=512K] Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 3 Capabilities: [68] MSI: Enable- Count=1/1 Maskable- 64bit+ Capabilities: [78] Express Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [b4] Vendor Specific Information: Len=14 ? Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel Capabilities: [128] Power Budgeting ? Capabilities: [600] Vendor Specific Information: ID=0001 Rev=1 Len=024 ? Kernel driver in use: nvidia Kernel modules: nvidia The problem. After I am logged into KDE for a good while, like several hours to maybe a day or so, the kicker thingy at the bottom locks up tight. I can't switch desktops, clock stops working, can't click the K menu thingy either. Everything in the kicker thingy is dead as a door nail. I can switch desktops with the keyboard and everything else works in KDE just fine. I can also switch to a console too. Killing X and restarting it fixes it, xdm restart in my case. I don't have to reload drivers or restart the system. I do go back and downgrade the drivers after testing it. So, is this a nvidia bug, KDE bug or is it something else? Since it works when I go back a version of nvidia, it looks like nvidia. Think is, it only affects KDE and nothing else. Is it possible that my card is not supposed to use the 319.* series of drivers? The versions that don't work are all 319.* series. Thoughts? Dale :-) :-) next time as root do: killall -9 krunner killall -9 plasma-desktop
