Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Thursday 17 February 2011 18:25:47 Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Well, what got me once was the trip a package took. I ordered something, can't remember what it was now but anyway, it left Memphis, went to Atlanta and sat there a day or two, then went to some place in Kentucky and sat there for a day or two. Then it went back to Memphis where it sat for a couple days and then they dropped it off at the post office to be delivered. DHL was the one that did all the running around the country. Needless to say, I wrote newegg a little note about all that. They refunded the shipping, which I wasn't worried about, and said she was going to talk to the higher ups since they are getting a lot of similar complaints. I notice that their only options now are UPS and such. I don't see the so called egg saver anymore. That package took over a week for me to get. As I explained in my note to newegg, I could have rode a bicycle to Memphis, got the package and rode the bike back faster than the shipping company could get it here or even just get it back to Memphis to drop it off at the post office. The funny part, once it was taken to the post office, I got it the next day. So much for snail mail. They should have shipped it with them to begin with. lol At least we know now why they went belly up. Let's not mention the part from Sears that I had to drive 40 miles one way to get. They delivered it to some ladies house. She found me in the phone book. I guess DHL doesn't have a phone book. :-@ There is only two people around here with my last name. The other is my brother. He knows where I live too. ;-) Dale :-) :-) I have a correction here. It appears egg saver is still alive. It also appears that DHL is still alive as well. I saw on the news where they closed down here in the USA but I guess it was just one of their big centers or something. Anyway, my 8Gb kit is coming from California in route to Mississippi so this may take a while. Given their record, I just hope it gets here at all. o_O My 4Gb stick will be here tomorrow. I also decided not to do the prelink thing. Sounds like it would just be something else to keep up to date with little gain if any gain at all. Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Mick wrote: Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) I'm aware of the way they do things and it can even make it look weird. Thing is, it went probably a thousand miles to end up across town if even across town. For all I know, newegg and the Post Office could be within blocks of each other. How they could argue that would be cost efficient is beyond me. I could see one out of the way hop to their main hub but with them, it appears that they have many main hubs. I have to say tho, this is not just DHL. This is a package that is on the way here now. This is so weird. lol Memphis, TN, United States 02/18/2011 4:30 A.M. Departure Scan 02/18/2011 4:16 A.M. Arrival Scan Louisville, KY, United States 02/18/2011 4:15 A.M. Departure Scan Louisville, KY, United States 02/17/2011 11:55 P.M. Arrival Scan DFW Airport, TX, United States 02/17/2011 9:13 P.M. Departure Scan DFW Airport, TX, United States 02/16/2011 10:35 A.M. Arrival Scan Newark, NJ, United States 02/16/2011 7:51 A.M. Departure Scan 02/16/2011 3:21 A.M. Arrival Scan Secaucus, NJ, United States 02/16/2011 2:30 A.M. Departure Scan Secaucus, NJ, United States 02/15/2011 10:14 P.M. Arrival Scan Edison, NJ, United States 02/15/2011 9:29 P.M. Departure Scan 02/15/2011 6:54 P.M. Origin Scan United States 02/15/2011 12:06 A.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS It left the east coast area, went to Texas, went back to Kentucky, then back to Memphis and is on the way here. Me, I would have put a parachute on the thing and dropped it off at Kentucky when I flew over it the first time. lol If they sort of flew to the right a bit, they could have dropped it in Memphis. Oh, It left Kentucky and was in Memphis in ONE MINUTE. If UPS has a plane that fast, they bought the SR-71 or something. By my math, that's moving about 20,000 miles a hour. O_O My other package that went by DHL, no record of it being shipped yet. I'll start worrying tomorrow I think. With what I got ordered and sort of on the way, I'll be maxed out at 16Gbs and have a nice battery charger. The memory is for Gentoo Linux and no idea if the charger has a OS at all. Heck, it may. There is a guitar that runs Gentoo remember? Weird days. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:58:04 +, Mick wrote: Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) Isn't there a USE flag to speed things up? -- Neil Bothwick Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Friday 18 February 2011 11:45:54 Neil Bothwick wrote: On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 10:58:04 +, Mick wrote: Since this is the gentoo-user mailing list I better explain that routing of parcels is performed so as to minimise journeys (hence fuel and driver costs) for the company, rather than minimise delivery time for the end customer. Usually they may delay a journey to make sure that the lorries always run full of goods back and forth. Service level agreements may mean that they will on occasion run less full than they would like to so as to not exceed maximum delivery timescales. I am led to believe that this is the case even when the goods are to be used on a PC running Gentoo Linux ... ;-) Isn't there a USE flag to speed things up? Hmm ... $ euse -i dhl global use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found No good, but hold on ... perhaps one can adapt this one? $ euse -i ups global use flags (searching: ups) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: ups) [-] ups (net-analyzer/nagios-plugins): installs deps for monitoring Network-UPS (sys-power/nut) :-)) -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Mick wrote: Hmm ... $ euse -i dhl global use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: dhl) no matching entries found No good, but hold on ... perhaps one can adapt this one? $ euse -i ups global use flags (searching: ups) no matching entries found local use flags (searching: ups) [-] ups (net-analyzer/nagios-plugins): installs deps for monitoring Network-UPS (sys-power/nut) :-)) I'm glad you posted this. This helped me with another issue I been trying to figure out. I checked the USE flags for nut and realized I had usb enabled. My UPS uses the serial port instead of USB so I needed to disable that for nut. To think ya'll thought you were being funny. :-P Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
on 02/17/2011 09:05 AM Thanasis wrote the following: on 02/15/2011 05:54 PM Kfir Lavi wrote the following: I have just upgraded my laptop to 8GB (90$ ebay ddr3). I now use tmpfs on /var/tmp and /tmp/ and run catalyst with all sorts of experiments. Take care I needed to provide more inodes to /var/tmp/ . with nr_inodes=500K,size=80% the default was 204K. Regards, Kfir How do you manage the number of inodes on tmpfs? I found the answer: the mount option nr_inodes=
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Dale wrote: Well, what got me once was the trip a package took. I ordered something, can't remember what it was now but anyway, it left Memphis, went to Atlanta and sat there a day or two, then went to some place in Kentucky and sat there for a day or two. Then it went back to Memphis where it sat for a couple days and then they dropped it off at the post office to be delivered. DHL was the one that did all the running around the country. Needless to say, I wrote newegg a little note about all that. They refunded the shipping, which I wasn't worried about, and said she was going to talk to the higher ups since they are getting a lot of similar complaints. I notice that their only options now are UPS and such. I don't see the so called egg saver anymore. That package took over a week for me to get. As I explained in my note to newegg, I could have rode a bicycle to Memphis, got the package and rode the bike back faster than the shipping company could get it here or even just get it back to Memphis to drop it off at the post office. The funny part, once it was taken to the post office, I got it the next day. So much for snail mail. They should have shipped it with them to begin with. lol At least we know now why they went belly up. Let's not mention the part from Sears that I had to drive 40 miles one way to get. They delivered it to some ladies house. She found me in the phone book. I guess DHL doesn't have a phone book. :-@ There is only two people around here with my last name. The other is my brother. He knows where I live too. ;-) Dale :-) :-) I have a correction here. It appears egg saver is still alive. It also appears that DHL is still alive as well. I saw on the news where they closed down here in the USA but I guess it was just one of their big centers or something. Anyway, my 8Gb kit is coming from California in route to Mississippi so this may take a while. Given their record, I just hope it gets here at all. o_O My 4Gb stick will be here tomorrow. I also decided not to do the prelink thing. Sounds like it would just be something else to keep up to date with little gain if any gain at all. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Petri Rosenström wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was curious. I have this new rig and was wondering if prelinking would help any. It's a 4 core AMD 3.2Ghz CPU with 4Gbs, soon to be 8Gbs, of ram and a SATA 3 hard drive. On a modern system, would prelink make anything that much faster? Is it worth installing in this system? Thoughts? Opinions? Personal experience? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P. S. Ram is ordered and should be here in a couple days. Having Newegg about 100 miles away is pretty neat. :-D Hi, I have U2300, 3Gb, 120gb SSD and I tried prelinkin on my system. I didn't notice any improvement. Best regards Petri I read up on what it does and I sort of think it won't make much difference. I'm about to have 8Gbs of ram here and I figure it might help on the first load but after that, it will be cached in memory and very fast anyway. I'm not to surprised that you didn't see any difference in speed. I used it on a older and pretty slow rig once and it did help. I think it was 800Mhz with 512Mbs of ram. It also had some much slower IDE drives too. It wasn't a huge difference but you could tell the difference. Thanks for the reply. Wait and see if anyone else thinks it would make anything faster or not. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:04:38 -0600, Dale wrote: I used it on a older and pretty slow rig once and it did help. I think it was 800Mhz with 512Mbs of ram. It also had some much slower IDE drives too. It wasn't a huge difference but you could tell the difference. Some of the googling I did in the wake of the glibc-2.13 debacle indicated that prelinking makes far less difference wih newer kernels anyway. Even the old slow box wouldn't get much benefit from it. I disabled it because of glibc and won't be re-enabling it, but I might give it a try on this netbook to see if it makes a discernable difference with a slow CPU and slow drive, or I'll buy it a SSD. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:04:38 -0600, Dale wrote: I used it on a older and pretty slow rig once and it did help. I think it was 800Mhz with 512Mbs of ram. It also had some much slower IDE drives too. It wasn't a huge difference but you could tell the difference. Some of the googling I did in the wake of the glibc-2.13 debacle indicated that prelinking makes far less difference wih newer kernels anyway. Even the old slow box wouldn't get much benefit from it. I disabled it because of glibc and won't be re-enabling it, but I might give it a try on this netbook to see if it makes a discernable difference with a slow CPU and slow drive, or I'll buy it a SSD. Sounds like it isn't worth the trouble anymore. I think I'll leave it alone. The new ram may make some things faster tho. Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Tuesday 15 February 2011 13:49:40 Dale wrote: I think I'll leave it alone. The new ram may make some things faster tho. It'll be interesting to hear whether it makes any difference. I'm sure it will if you're currently swapping to disk a lot (are you?), but otherwise only during en emerge of vast proportions. Or so it seems to me. I've always been satisfied with my 4GB, which has always been plenty to hold the applications I run and their data. Except while emerging, say, Open Office, but I'm not going to spend even more money than I have already just to accommodate that! -- Rgds Peter
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 02:04:38 -0600, Dale wrote: I used it on a older and pretty slow rig once and it did help. I think it was 800Mhz with 512Mbs of ram. It also had some much slower IDE drives too. It wasn't a huge difference but you could tell the difference. Some of the googling I did in the wake of the glibc-2.13 debacle indicated that prelinking makes far less difference wih newer kernels anyway. Even the old slow box wouldn't get much benefit from it. I disabled it because of glibc and won't be re-enabling it, but I might give it a try on this netbook to see if it makes a discernable difference with a slow CPU and slow drive, or I'll buy it a SSD. Sounds like it isn't worth the trouble anymore. I think I'll leave it alone. The new ram may make some things faster tho. Thanks. Dale :-) :-) I have just upgraded my laptop to 8GB (90$ ebay ddr3). I now use tmpfs on /var/tmp and /tmp/ and run catalyst with all sorts of experiments. Take care I needed to provide more inodes to /var/tmp/ . with nr_inodes=500K,size=80% the default was 204K. Regards, Kfir
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
I have a ssd. I always used prelink. After a botched gcc upgrade I was forced to reinstall (yeah, THAT botched). I forgot to install prelink. I did not miss it. I realized that I forgot prelink when Neil started his glibc thread and I had a look with eix.
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Tuesday 15 February 2011 13:49:40 Dale wrote: I think I'll leave it alone. The new ram may make some things faster tho. It'll be interesting to hear whether it makes any difference. I'm sure it will if you're currently swapping to disk a lot (are you?), but otherwise only during en emerge of vast proportions. Or so it seems to me. I've always been satisfied with my 4GB, which has always been plenty to hold the applications I run and their data. Except while emerging, say, Open Office, but I'm not going to spend even more money than I have already just to accommodate that! Well, turned out my ram is coming from NJ instead of Memphis. May take a extra day or so. It did ship this morning tho. I plan to max out at 16Gbs and put portage on tmpfs. That should be big enough even to compile OOo then. Checked UPS.com and it looks like Friday. Not to bad. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Well, turned out my ram is coming from NJ instead of Memphis. May take a extra day or so. It did ship this morning tho. I plan to max out at 16Gbs and put portage on tmpfs. That should be big enough even to compile OOo then. I live one-day UPS ground time from Memphis (I can drive there in about 4 1/2 hours). It's always a sad moment when I see my order status from Newegg and that it is not shipping from Memphis, but California or NJ...
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
Paul Hartman wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: Well, turned out my ram is coming from NJ instead of Memphis. May take a extra day or so. It did ship this morning tho. I plan to max out at 16Gbs and put portage on tmpfs. That should be big enough even to compile OOo then. I live one-day UPS ground time from Memphis (I can drive there in about 4 1/2 hours). It's always a sad moment when I see my order status from Newegg and that it is not shipping from Memphis, but California or NJ... Well, what got me once was the trip a package took. I ordered something, can't remember what it was now but anyway, it left Memphis, went to Atlanta and sat there a day or two, then went to some place in Kentucky and sat there for a day or two. Then it went back to Memphis where it sat for a couple days and then they dropped it off at the post office to be delivered. DHL was the one that did all the running around the country. Needless to say, I wrote newegg a little note about all that. They refunded the shipping, which I wasn't worried about, and said she was going to talk to the higher ups since they are getting a lot of similar complaints. I notice that their only options now are UPS and such. I don't see the so called egg saver anymore. That package took over a week for me to get. As I explained in my note to newegg, I could have rode a bicycle to Memphis, got the package and rode the bike back faster than the shipping company could get it here or even just get it back to Memphis to drop it off at the post office. The funny part, once it was taken to the post office, I got it the next day. So much for snail mail. They should have shipped it with them to begin with. lol At least we know now why they went belly up. Let's not mention the part from Sears that I had to drive 40 miles one way to get. They delivered it to some ladies house. She found me in the phone book. I guess DHL doesn't have a phone book. :-@ There is only two people around here with my last name. The other is my brother. He knows where I live too. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
I was curious. I have this new rig and was wondering if prelinking would help any. It's a 4 core AMD 3.2Ghz CPU with 4Gbs, soon to be 8Gbs, of ram and a SATA 3 hard drive. On a modern system, would prelink make anything that much faster? Is it worth installing in this system? Thoughts? Opinions? Personal experience? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P. S. Ram is ordered and should be here in a couple days. Having Newegg about 100 miles away is pretty neat. :-D
Re: [gentoo-user] Prelink on a already fast system
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote: I was curious. I have this new rig and was wondering if prelinking would help any. It's a 4 core AMD 3.2Ghz CPU with 4Gbs, soon to be 8Gbs, of ram and a SATA 3 hard drive. On a modern system, would prelink make anything that much faster? Is it worth installing in this system? Thoughts? Opinions? Personal experience? Thanks. Dale :-) :-) P. S. Ram is ordered and should be here in a couple days. Having Newegg about 100 miles away is pretty neat. :-D Hi, I have U2300, 3Gb, 120gb SSD and I tried prelinkin on my system. I didn't notice any improvement. Best regards Petri
