Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
On Thursday 25 September 2008, Thomas Kahle wrote: Hi, ~ Then, revdep-rebuild display like this. | [ebuild R ] media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r5 | [ebuild R ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.3.5 | [ebuild R ] media-libs/lcms-1.17 | [ebuild U ] media-libs/vigra-1.6.0 [1.5.0-r1] | [ebuild R ] net-print/cups-1.3.8-r1 | [ebuild R ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.12.12 | [ebuild R ] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.63 | [ebuild R ] app-text/evince-2.22.2-r1 | [ebuild R ] media-gfx/gthumb-2.10.9 ~ But there is no vigra in result of emerge -p --update world(with | --deep also). | Of course, it still shows flag U if I do emerge -p vigra | | What is difference with emerge --update world and emerge vigra? | And how can I update all new package without exceptions? I am also curious to know why portage just forgets to update certain packages. What I used to do to find them is a plain eix -I | grep \[U\] which just greps for the pattern [U] marking an upgradeable package. Then you can format this list and run emerge -1 `insert packagelist here` The -1 is important to not register these packages in your world file, which you probably don't wont for some package that only is a dependency. Still, I would like to know how this happens... hth Tom a) dependencies are not listed in world. b) an 'orphaned' dependency wouldn't get caught with --deep.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
On Thursday 25 September 2008 06:05:20 SOrCErEr wrote: As you can see, there is a package vigra with flag U. As I know, U is need to update, and if I do emerge --update world, it will be update. But there is no vigra in result of emerge -p --update world(with --deep also). Of course, it still shows flag U if I do emerge -p vigra What is difference with emerge --update world and emerge vigra? And how can I update all new package without exceptions? try using --with-bdeps=y Ref: man emerge The difference is that some dependant packages are only required to *build* something else, not to *run* it. So, the dependant package is only remerged when the package is depends on is itself rebuilt. --with-bdeps=y removes this exception -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
$ eix -l|grep \[U\] [U] app-arch/rpm2targz [U] app-editors/gedit [U] app-text/build-docbook-catalog [U] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd [U] app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets [U] app-text/libspectre [U] dev-lang/python [U] dev-lang/swig [U] dev-libs/libcdio [U] dev-perl/Compress-Raw-Zlib [U] dev-perl/Compress-Zlib [U] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Base [U] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Zlib [U] dev-python/pyopengl [U] dev-util/cmake [U] gnome-base/gdm [U] gnome-extra/gnome-system-monitor [U] gnome-extra/gtkhtml [U] gnome-extra/yelp [U] media-gfx/eog [U] media-libs/musicbrainz [U] media-libs/swfdec [U] media-libs/vigra [U] media-sound/cdparanoia [U] media-sound/sound-juicer [U] media-video/ffmpeg [U] net-analyzer/traceroute [U] net-libs/gtk-vnc [U] net-misc/whois [U] sys-apps/ed [U] sys-libs/db [U] sys-libs/gpm [U] www-client/epiphany [U] x11-libs/gtksourceview $ emerge -p --update --deep --with-bdeps=y world ... [ebuild U ] app-text/build-docbook-catalog-1.4 [1.2] [ebuild U ] app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0.0.3g [9.0-r7] [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Base-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Zlib-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Compress-Zlib-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] sys-apps/ed-1.0 [0.9] [ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.74.0 [1.73.2] [ebuild N] dev-libs/xmlrpc-c-1.14.07-r1 USE=curl cxx [ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.6.1 [2.4.6-r1] USE=-qt4% [ebuild U ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.36 [1.3.34] USE=-octave% As you can see, result of eix has vigra, but of emerge still doesn't have. Also, many of flag U package is excepted from emerge --update. If so, I think Gentoo's world is not whole world. Package was installed and it needs to be update. But it's not in world. So... I don't know. It's very... odd. 2008/9/25 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 25 September 2008 06:05:20 SOrCErEr wrote: As you can see, there is a package vigra with flag U. As I know, U is need to update, and if I do emerge --update world, it will be update. But there is no vigra in result of emerge -p --update world(with --deep also). Of course, it still shows flag U if I do emerge -p vigra What is difference with emerge --update world and emerge vigra? And how can I update all new package without exceptions? try using --with-bdeps=y Ref: man emerge The difference is that some dependant packages are only required to *build* something else, not to *run* it. So, the dependant package is only remerged when the package is depends on is itself rebuilt. --with-bdeps=y removes this exception -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 1:54 PM, SOrCErEr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ eix -l|grep \[U\] [U] app-arch/rpm2targz [U] app-editors/gedit [U] app-text/build-docbook-catalog [U] app-text/docbook-xml-dtd [U] app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets [U] app-text/libspectre [U] dev-lang/python [U] dev-lang/swig [U] dev-libs/libcdio [U] dev-perl/Compress-Raw-Zlib [U] dev-perl/Compress-Zlib [U] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Base [U] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Zlib [U] dev-python/pyopengl [U] dev-util/cmake [U] gnome-base/gdm [U] gnome-extra/gnome-system-monitor [U] gnome-extra/gtkhtml [U] gnome-extra/yelp [U] media-gfx/eog [U] media-libs/musicbrainz [U] media-libs/swfdec [U] media-libs/vigra [U] media-sound/cdparanoia [U] media-sound/sound-juicer [U] media-video/ffmpeg [U] net-analyzer/traceroute [U] net-libs/gtk-vnc [U] net-misc/whois [U] sys-apps/ed [U] sys-libs/db [U] sys-libs/gpm [U] www-client/epiphany [U] x11-libs/gtksourceview $ emerge -p --update --deep --with-bdeps=y world ... [ebuild U ] app-text/build-docbook-catalog-1.4 [1.2] [ebuild U ] app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0.0.3g [9.0-r7] [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Base-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] dev-perl/IO-Compress-Zlib-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] dev-perl/Compress-Zlib-2.015 [2.012] USE=-test% [ebuild U ] sys-apps/ed-1.0 [0.9] [ebuild U ] app-text/docbook-xsl-stylesheets-1.74.0 [1.73.2] [ebuild N] dev-libs/xmlrpc-c-1.14.07-r1 USE=curl cxx [ebuild U ] dev-util/cmake-2.6.1 [2.4.6-r1] USE=-qt4% [ebuild U ] dev-lang/swig-1.3.36 [1.3.34] USE=-octave% As you can see, result of eix has vigra, but of emerge still doesn't have. Also, many of flag U package is excepted from emerge --update. If so, I think Gentoo's world is not whole world. Gentoo's world only contains packages you have installed manually (emerge package). and without -1 option. Would does not contains packages that have been installed as dependencies to other packages. You could view /var/lib/portage/world to see what it contains. If you really need vigra, it is a good idea to add it to world file: emerge --noreplace vigra Howewer, I don't recommend add any dependencies which you are no using directly to world. It would make --depclean useless. -- Vladimir Rusinov http://greenmice.info/
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:54:06 +0900, SOrCErEr wrote: As you can see, result of eix has vigra, but of emerge still doesn't have. Also, many of flag U package is excepted from emerge --update. If so, I think Gentoo's world is not whole world. No it's not. A world update affects only the packages you installed and their dependencies. Package was installed and it needs to be update. But it's not in world. Why does it need to update? Is your system not running correctly because of this? I suspect you don't need vigra at all,that it was installed as a dependency of a package you no longer have, or that no longer depends on it. What does emerge --depclean -p show? -- Neil Bothwick Thou shalt not battle over operating systems. I am wise and in My wisdom have created diverse and various operating systems. The Ten Usenet Commandments: One signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
On Thursday 25 September 2008 12:12:23 Vladimir Rusinov wrote: Gentoo's world only contains packages you have installed manually (emerge package). and without -1 option. Would does not contains packages that have been installed as dependencies to other packages. You could view /var/lib/portage/world to see what it contains. If you really need vigra, it is a good idea to add it to world file: emerge --noreplace vigra Howewer, I don't recommend add any dependencies which you are no using directly to world. It would make --depclean useless. I think he understands that by now. His question is more like: If eix tells me that an update to vigra is available, then why does emerge -uD world not pick it up? sorcerer, what is your arch, and what is the outputs from 'eix -e vigra' and 'emerge -pv media-libs/vigra' -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
2008/9/25 SOrCErEr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What is difference with emerge --update world and emerge vigra? And how can I update all new package without exceptions? If you know, please let me know. When looking at the packages to be merged, I guess you are running unstable gentoo. Which version of portage do you use. 2.2_rc9? Many things have changed with portage-2.2. So I recommend reading the documentation of portage first. I am not using portage 2.2, but with stable portage the following almost everytime helps to get a sane state: emerge -uND --with-bdeps=y world revdep-rebuild -i emerge -p --depclean Before you let depclean remove anything make sure you really don't need it and you have run python-updater (there is something like this for perl too which I don't recall at the moment). Also make sure you have a clean world file, which means if there is an entry which is already needed by something else it should normally be removed as this could cause problems.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 03:27, Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also make sure you have a clean world file, which means if there is an entry which is already needed by something else it should normally be removed as this could cause problems. I can understand that if I have both package P and dependency D in world, and I remove P then depclean will not remove D. I assume that's not what you're talking about, though, as it's harmless and probably intended (since I listed D in world). Moreover, I would think this is quite common. You might have Java/Perl/Python/Ruby/* explicitely listed in world (because you write programs/scripts) and several packages that are either Java/Perl/Python/Ruby/* based or provide bindings. I *want* to be explicit here as I don't want Java/Perl/Python/Ruby/* removed should I remove those other packages. So what kind of problems are we talking about?
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
On Thursday 25 September 2008 17:51:42 Hilco Wijbenga wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 03:27, Daniel Pielmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also make sure you have a clean world file, which means if there is an entry which is already needed by something else it should normally be removed as this could cause problems. I can understand that if I have both package P and dependency D in world, and I remove P then depclean will not remove D. I assume that's not what you're talking about, though, as it's harmless and probably intended (since I listed D in world). Moreover, I would think this is quite common. You might have Java/Perl/Python/Ruby/* explicitely listed in world (because you write programs/scripts) and several packages that are either Java/Perl/Python/Ruby/* based or provide bindings. I *want* to be explicit here as I don't want Java/Perl/Python/Ruby/* removed should I remove those other packages. So what kind of problems are we talking about? Most probably the problem that arises is when a mere dep cannot be removed by --depclean anymore because it is in world. It is a problem because of the unnecessary clutter it creates. Also, sometimes deps come and go, and libs get split into two packages. Say you have libA which is a dep of some package Z. The dev sees that libA can benefit from USE flags in some way and this in turn benefits package Z. So libA gets split into libAa and libAb, both of which block the old libA. Package Z can install libAa or libAb or both depending on USE. If the user put the old libA in world (incorrectly), portage will not uninstall it to replace it with the new split libA. Instead it will display the blockers, which has to be resolved manually - and we all know how much mass hysteria and confusion blockers seem to cause amongst users... This of course is the exact opposite of what you describe above -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
2008/9/25 Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 25 September 2008 12:12:23 Vladimir Rusinov wrote: Gentoo's world only contains packages you have installed manually (emerge package). and without -1 option. Would does not contains packages that have been installed as dependencies to other packages. You could view /var/lib/portage/world to see what it contains. If you really need vigra, it is a good idea to add it to world file: emerge --noreplace vigra Howewer, I don't recommend add any dependencies which you are no using directly to world. It would make --depclean useless. I think he understands that by now. His question is more like: If eix tells me that an update to vigra is available, then why does emerge -uD world not pick it up? Yeah That's the point what I want to say. Fortunately, I can be understand it while I'm reading this thread. Package vigra does not need on my system. So world doesn't contain that. And I need to do emerge --depclean to remove packages like vigra. Keyworld was dependency. I could realize this If I did --depclean only one time. It's a good answers in this thread although question was stupid. THANKS. sorcerer, what is your arch, and what is the outputs from 'eix -e vigra' and 'emerge -pv media-libs/vigra' -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com -- SOrCErEr
[gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
Hello~ Yesterday, I did update my gentoo like this. $ sudo emerge --update --deep --newuse world As a result, one of the updated package tiff said like this. * Messages for package media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r5: * JBIG support is intended for Hylafax fax compression, so we * really need more feedback in other areas (most testing has * been done with fax). Be sure to recompile anything linked * against tiff if you rebuild it with jbig support. So I checked what package linked with libtiff(Actually, there is no need to do this. I just want to know). $ revdep-rebuild -p --library /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 Then, revdep-rebuild display like this. [ebuild R ] media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r5 [ebuild R ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.3.5 [ebuild R ] media-libs/lcms-1.17 [ebuild U ] media-libs/vigra-1.6.0 [1.5.0-r1] [ebuild R ] net-print/cups-1.3.8-r1 [ebuild R ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.12.12 [ebuild R ] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.63 [ebuild R ] app-text/evince-2.22.2-r1 [ebuild R ] media-gfx/gthumb-2.10.9 As you can see, there is a package vigra with flag U. As I know, U is need to update, and if I do emerge --update world, it will be update. But there is no vigra in result of emerge -p --update world(with --deep also). Of course, it still shows flag U if I do emerge -p vigra What is difference with emerge --update world and emerge vigra? And how can I update all new package without exceptions? If you know, please let me know.
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, ~ Then, revdep-rebuild display like this. | [ebuild R ] media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r5 | [ebuild R ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.3.5 | [ebuild R ] media-libs/lcms-1.17 | [ebuild U ] media-libs/vigra-1.6.0 [1.5.0-r1] | [ebuild R ] net-print/cups-1.3.8-r1 | [ebuild R ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.12.12 | [ebuild R ] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.63 | [ebuild R ] app-text/evince-2.22.2-r1 | [ebuild R ] media-gfx/gthumb-2.10.9 | | ~ But there is no vigra in result of emerge -p --update world(with | --deep also). | Of course, it still shows flag U if I do emerge -p vigra | | What is difference with emerge --update world and emerge vigra? | And how can I update all new package without exceptions? I am also curious to know why portage just forgets to update certain packages. What I used to do to find them is a plain eix -I | grep \[U\] which just greps for the pattern [U] marking an upgradeable package. Then you can format this list and run emerge -1 `insert packagelist here` The -1 is important to not register these packages in your world file, which you probably don't wont for some package that only is a dependency. Still, I would like to know how this happens... hth Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjbHhQACgkQrpEWPKIUt7MaBwCghPThHp8lCQbfQyvSG/UwaYN+ zgsAmgL3W8mcNfvjEJZxc+aUKTeNTLX1 =luJw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Question about difference between emerge --update world and emerge vigra
Am Thu, 25 Sep 2008 13:05:20 +0900 schrieb SOrCErEr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello~ Yesterday, I did update my gentoo like this. $ sudo emerge --update --deep --newuse world As a result, one of the updated package tiff said like this. * Messages for package media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r5: * JBIG support is intended for Hylafax fax compression, so we * really need more feedback in other areas (most testing has * been done with fax). Be sure to recompile anything linked * against tiff if you rebuild it with jbig support. So I checked what package linked with libtiff(Actually, there is no need to do this. I just want to know). $ revdep-rebuild -p --library /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 Then, revdep-rebuild display like this. [ebuild R ] media-libs/tiff-3.8.2-r5 [ebuild R ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.4.3.5 [ebuild R ] media-libs/lcms-1.17 [ebuild U ] media-libs/vigra-1.6.0 [1.5.0-r1] [ebuild R ] net-print/cups-1.3.8-r1 [ebuild R ] x11-libs/gtk+-2.12.12 [ebuild R ] app-text/ghostscript-gpl-8.63 [ebuild R ] app-text/evince-2.22.2-r1 [ebuild R ] media-gfx/gthumb-2.10.9 As you can see, there is a package vigra with flag U. As I know, U is need to update, and if I do emerge --update world, it will be update. But there is no vigra in result of emerge -p --update world(with --deep also). Of course, it still shows flag U if I do emerge -p vigra What is difference with emerge --update world and emerge vigra? And how can I update all new package without exceptions? If you know, please let me know. I think it should show up with emerge -p --update [--deep] --with-bdeps=y world if it's only a build-time dependency. -- Marc Joliet -- People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we don't - Bjarne Stroustrup signature.asc Description: PGP signature
