[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
Richard Fish wrote: Just two more tipsfor 1920x1200 resolution, you will need to add: svga.maxWidth = 1920 to the .vmx file for your virtual machine. Otherwise it maxes out at 1600x1200. Also I recommend using the Gentoo ebuild, rather than downloading directly from vmware. It will include support for the newest kernels, and also integrate with Gentoo's init scripts. Yep, did just that yesterday evening, and first had a shock while installing Win2k and my machine crashed with both microphone and speaker at full volume. You can imagine the nice larsen effect I got. My wife almost got a heart attack at 1:00 am :-) Then I disabled the audio device, and from there everything went well. I have to say that VMWare is much more polished than qemu (this was to be expected), and with vmware-tools it feels much faster, probably due to the special graphics driver and using a hardware cursor for the mouse. And yes, it works with 1920x1200x32 in full screen, and all this makes it a winner. Now I have to figure out how to convert my qemu disk images to VMWare images and make them boot. The first tests with qemu-img ended with a BSOD and INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE. But I haven't had much time to figure it out yet. Best regards. -- Remy Remove underscore and suffix in reply address for a timely response. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
Richard Fish wrote: But the CPU is mostly native. (...) This is what makes VMWare so much faster than something that actually does emulate a processor like qemu. Just a quick note: using kqemu-1.3-pre5, qemu also executes both user and kernel code natively, and should therefore achieve about the same speed as VMWare. I never used VMWare, so I can't say for sure, but it certainly gave qemu a nice speed boost. What's more annoying at the moment is the slow graphics emulation, and the fact that I cannot emulate my full screen (1920x1200) in qemu. Is VMWare able to do that, and how fast is the graphics emulation? -- Remy Remove underscore and suffix in reply address for a timely response. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
On 5/16/06, Remy Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: certainly gave qemu a nice speed boost. What's more annoying at the moment is the slow graphics emulation, and the fact that I cannot emulate my full screen (1920x1200) in qemu. Is VMWare able to do that, and how fast is the graphics emulation? Well I won't speak to using a linux guest on a windows host, as I run the other way around. But yes, I run 1920x1200 on my laptop, and VMWare is easily capable of that resolution. It also runs quite fast at least for 2d operations. VMWare installs a custom, accelerated graphics driver for windows guests, and I am estimating it makes the graphics run at maybe 50% of native. I have not actually benchmarked this in any sane way, so I can't say for certain. But I know that rapidly dragging a window around in circles places about a 50% load on the CPU, which is about the same as doing the same thing under Linux. The window updates are not as fast as under Linux, but still very quick. Playing 30fps video files is possible, but will stretch the system to it's limits with large or full-screen windows. In 5.5, there is also initial support for 3d graphics. I have that enabled currently, and seems to provide yet another small speed boost. But I haven't tried to run games, google earth, or any other 3d applications to see how well they perform. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
Richard Fish wrote: But yes, I run 1920x1200 on my laptop, and VMWare is easily capable of that resolution. It also runs quite fast at least for 2d operations. VMWare installs a custom, accelerated graphics driver for windows guests, and I am estimating it makes the graphics run at maybe 50% of native. I have not actually benchmarked this in any sane way, so I can't say for certain. That certainly sounds faster than what I see in qemu. I guess I'll give VMWare a try and see how it compares. Thanks for the info. -- Remy Remove underscore and suffix in reply address for a timely response. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
On 5/17/06, Remy Blank [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That certainly sounds faster than what I see in qemu. I guess I'll give VMWare a try and see how it compares. Just two more tipsfor 1920x1200 resolution, you will need to add: svga.maxWidth = 1920 to the .vmx file for your virtual machine. Otherwise it maxes out at 1600x1200. Also I recommend using the Gentoo ebuild, rather than downloading directly from vmware. It will include support for the newest kernels, and also integrate with Gentoo's init scripts. Regards, -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Harry Putnam wrote: I'm wondering if anyone here is running gentoo inside vmware on winxp and if they might coach me on that. I usually set it to other linux 2.6 kernel, and done :) Uh excuse the density of my skull but you'd usually set WHAT to WHAT? What is `other' in this case. And what is being set? -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
Steven Susbauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am writing this from Gentoo running in VMware workstation on Windows Server 2003. It works just fine, just install it like a normal install except you need to use lspci to find what hardware vmware is showing Gentoo, and compile accordingly. I have had problems installing the vmware tools in Gentoo though, they will install but will not run. Well, that's encouraging... thanks. Let me ask a few more things please. Sorry about the verbosity level but I'm kind of confused about how to go at this. My vmware installs were perforumed on a laptop running a P4 3.2 gh. That was due to being on the road at the time. My main desktop machine has been a gentoo box for some time now, an older p4 with a now meager, 2ghz, but the box gave up the ghost a few weeks ago. I commandered an athlon64 3400+ that was running winxp and being used to crunch video transforamtions from one kind of output to another and other intensive chores like running adobe photoshop or especially adobe After Effects which is really cpu and ram hungry. I just highhandedly moved all that to 2 other winxp machines both p4 3.2ghz that also process and edit video or related graphics, and am using it for gentoo. As time has worn on I'm seeing the result of using such a powerhouse for an OS that doesn't need it. I'm missing the ability to pass intensive (video related) tasks to the athlon such as basic video editing while doing the effects on one of the other winxp boxes all across a gigabit lan. Or vice versa. Linux (no judgement here) simply does not offer the applications that can hold a candle to adobe products. So I don't need all that horsepower for gentoo or any other linux, and am now missing the firepower of the athlon64 for video work. So I'm thinking I could solve this problem by reinstalling winxp and putting gentoo in a vmware. (or getting another machine entirely, used and cheap for linux) I think I'm liking the first of those since it would be applicable to any powerfull machine in any circumstance, given a powerfull machine and lots of space. But I recall not being able to get gentoo installed in a vmware setup. I don't recall why now. I'll probably eventually follow the second course too when I run into somethbing being sold cheaply or given away. So cutting to the chase here: Do you think this being an athlon64 will have a bad effect on gentoo install or will it install as on any other machine and maybe even allow me to use the 64bit version if I felt adventurous? Do you think running gentoo as a main desktop as I have been when it owned the machine, doing all mail and most web related stuff like keeping a site up or just browsing, running most backup related stuff with rsync etc etc will work out in a vmware setting? Considering some rsyncing can be pretty labor intensive or compiling something like a kernel or emacs will this just bog down other work the athlon may be doing? The athlon is an athlon64 3400+ at 2.2ghz (socket 754). It is about the equivalent of a p4 at 3.2ghz in my experience. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
On 16 May 2006 17:56:14 -0500, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So cutting to the chase here: Do you think this being an athlon64 will have a bad effect on gentoo install or will it install as on any other machine and maybe even allow me to use the 64bit version if I felt adventurous? Nope - VMWare doesn't give the guest OS a hardware copy of what the host machine is - it does software emulation of the entire computer - BIOS, CPU, Video Card, Hard Drive (unless you go for RAW access to a specified hard drive), sound, etc etc. IIRC the CPU it emulates is a Pentium-III - don't remember how fast... Hang on, hang on - just was reading the VMWare website to get the speed - evidently in VMWare Workstation 5.5 (I assume you're talking about using Workstation and not one of the other product lines?), they do offer 64-bit CPU virtualization for the guest OS if your actual CPU is on their whitelist (available in PDF at http://www.vmware.com/pdf/processor_check.pdf ). So, I suppose, you might just be able to do a 64 bit install on the system. Let me know if it works. ;) Do you think running gentoo as a main desktop as I have been when it owned the machine, doing all mail and most web related stuff like keeping a site up or just browsing, running most backup related stuff with rsync etc etc will work out in a vmware setting? It should, I didn't run into any userland issues that could be attributed to VMWare once I had the system up and the kernel configured/built properly to support the hardware. Considering some rsyncing can be pretty labor intensive or compiling something like a kernel or emacs will this just bog down other work the athlon may be doing? There will be a performance impact to the actual OS on the system - it has to share hardware resources with essentially a second OS - but not only that, it also has to do the work of virtualizing all the hardware that the second OS is using - so you will see a (probably quite) noticable performance impact on your host OS and the other apps that it is running - however, how noticableit is, and whether or not the noticability of it is determined to be too high for the other purposes that this machine will be serving, will have to be determined through experimentation. HTH - now I'm going to have to go and read up on the other new features in version 5.5, see if I stuck my foot in my mouth anywhere else. grin -James The athlon is an athlon64 3400+ at 2.2ghz (socket 754). It is about the equivalent of a p4 at 3.2ghz in my experience. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
On Tue, 16 May 2006, James Ausmus wrote: On 16 May 2006 17:56:14 -0500, Harry Putnam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So cutting to the chase here: Do you think this being an athlon64 will have a bad effect on gentoo install or will it install as on any other machine and maybe even allow me to use the 64bit version if I felt adventurous? Nope - VMWare doesn't give the guest OS a hardware copy of what the host machine is - it does software emulation of the entire computer - BIOS, CPU, Video Card, Hard Drive (unless you go for RAW access to a specified hard drive), sound, etc etc. IIRC the CPU it emulates is a Pentium-III - don't remember how fast... At least in my situation, Gentoo only sees the real cpu (/proc/cpuinfo shows model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz blah blah). I have built everything accordingly and used it as a 3.2ghz P4 with no problems. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
Harry Putnam writes: Do you think this being an athlon64 will have a bad effect on gentoo install or will it install as on any other machine and maybe even allow me to use the 64bit version if I felt adventurous? It should install as on any other machine. Install an i586 or i686 build I would think. I'm not sure if you can use a 64 bit guest OS in a 32 bit vmware install, that would be worth looking into or at least testing. Do you think running gentoo as a main desktop as I have been when it owned the machine, doing all mail and most web related stuff like keeping a site up or just browsing, running most backup related stuff with rsync etc etc will work out in a vmware setting? Yes, I think that would work out quite well, even if vmware-tools won't work for you (the only reason I thought to install it was because of a clock sync issue). Considering some rsyncing can be pretty labor intensive or compiling something like a kernel or emacs will this just bog down other work the athlon may be doing? It is usually pretty good at sharing, but doing tons of things in the guest and host OS at once can bog down the resources. The best thing I could say for that is take a break from the video work when you want to update world. :) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] gentoo inside vmware on winxp
On 5/16/06, James Ausmus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope - VMWare doesn't give the guest OS a hardware copy of what the host machine is - it does software emulation of the entire computer - BIOS, CPU, Video Card, Hard Drive (unless you go for RAW access to a specified hard drive), sound, etc etc. IIRC the CPU it emulates is a Pentium-III - don't remember how fast... No no nothis is just wrong. VMware does virtualize most of the hardware...sound cards, networking, hard drives, and so on. But the CPU is mostly native. There are few flags that get clobbered so it can show a single processor on a dual-core box or the like, and a few instructions that have to be emulated with a call to the host, but generally the guest code runs natively on the processor. This is what makes VMWare so much faster than something that actually does emulate a processor like qemu. This means that you *might* be able to run a 64-bit Gentoo guest on a 32-bit WinXP host. http://www.vmware.com/support/ws55/doc/releasenotes_ws55.html -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
