Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:22:32PM -0500, Dale wrote: ... using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey. ... So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the web pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what? BTW, as any other browser (well, new enough..), firefox starts downloading as soon as you click on a link (ie, it dowloads it while you are choosing where to save it, so that by the time you choose the dir/filename, smaller files are allready downloaded ;). You can easilly see this if you have some kind of network traffic monitoring widget/applet/app... I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. yoyo
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
YoYo Siska wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:22:32PM -0500, Dale wrote: ... using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey. ... So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the web pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what? BTW, as any other browser (well, new enough..), firefox starts downloading as soon as you click on a link (ie, it dowloads it while you are choosing where to save it, so that by the time you choose the dir/filename, smaller files are allready downloaded ;). You can easilly see this if you have some kind of network traffic monitoring widget/applet/app... I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. yoyo I have noticed that too. You are correct that that is how it is done. I have had some smaller files that by the time I pick where to put it, it is already downloaded. I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just fine. I just had a thought. I'm going to use Konqueror to download a tarball and see if that fails. If that works, I don't know what to think really but if it fails, maybe something is off on my /tmp directory or something. Does this look normal: root@fireball / # ls -al / total 36 drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 . drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 .. drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2632 Jul 8 07:12 bin drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Jul 23 01:20 boot drwxr-xr-x 2 root root80 Jul 16 03:02 .config drwxr-xr-x 52 dale users 2752 Jun 23 01:16 data drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4480 Jul 23 05:19 dev drwxr-xr-x 78 root root 4704 Jul 23 05:28 etc drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 home lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jul 13 21:14 lib - lib64 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 3704 Jul 13 21:14 lib32 drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4464 Jul 13 21:14 lib64 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root88 Jul 10 18:17 media drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 192 Jan 5 2011 mnt drwxr-xr-x 80 root root 4688 Jun 17 04:35 old-etc drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 200 Jul 8 21:15 opt dr-xr-xr-x 162 root root 0 Jul 23 05:18 proc drwxr-xr-x 3 root root80 Jun 18 17:23 Resources drwx-- 28 root root 3568 Jul 23 05:34 root drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4880 Jul 13 21:14 sbin drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 0 Jul 23 05:18 sys drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 304 Jul 23 09:35 tmp drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 472 Feb 8 17:25 usr drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Jul 8 03:11 var root@fireball / # How about this for the content of /tmp: root@fireball / # ls -al /tmp/ total 25 drwxrwxrwt 9 root root 424 Jul 23 09:40 . drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 .. drwx-- 2 dale dale2 120 Jul 23 05:28 akonadi-dale.GkYTTP drwxrwxrwt 2 root root72 Jul 23 05:28 .ICE-unix drwx-- 3 dale dale2 320 Jul 23 05:28 kde-dale drwx-- 3 root root 112 Jul 23 09:38 kde-root drwx-- 2 dale dale2 264 Jul 23 09:38 ksocket-dale drwx-- 2 root root 128 Jul 23 09:39 ksocket-root -rw--- 1 dale dale2 5284 Jul 23 09:40 nscopy.tmp -rw--- 1 dale dale2 5022 Jul 23 09:40 nsemail.eml srwxr-xr-x 1 dale dale20 Jul 23 05:29 virt_ -rw--- 1 dale dale2 947 Jul 23 05:28 virtuoso_ZT3609.ini -r--r--r-- 1 root root11 Jul 23 05:19 .X0-lock drwxrwxrwt 2 root root72 Jul 23 05:19 .X11-unix root@fireball / # Shouldn't kde-dale be owned by me but have user(s) as the group? The user dale2 is my clean login that I use to test things with. I'm going to logout and then clean that directory and see what it creates when I log back in again. Thoughts on this? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 09:45:07AM -0500, Dale wrote: YoYo Siska wrote: I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just fine. Dale, what YoYo meant was precisely that: emerge gets files using wget (unless you configured it otherwise) which writes directly to the directory, whereas Firefox would first download something to (I guess) /tmp and (according to YoYo) write it to the correct name/directory once you give it to the browser. So YoYo is suspecting that it is this move of the file from /tmp (or whereever) to your download directory that is giving the kernel panic. BTW, you mentioned that this happened after a power-outage. Have you completely checked your disks and filesystem's health? W -- Willie W. Wong ww...@math.princeton.edu Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Willie Wong wrote: On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 09:45:07AM -0500, Dale wrote: YoYo Siska wrote: I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most likely in that operation.. I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just fine. Dale, what YoYo meant was precisely that: emerge gets files using wget (unless you configured it otherwise) which writes directly to the directory, whereas Firefox would first download something to (I guess) /tmp and (according to YoYo) write it to the correct name/directory once you give it to the browser. So YoYo is suspecting that it is this move of the file from /tmp (or whereever) to your download directory that is giving the kernel panic. BTW, you mentioned that this happened after a power-outage. Have you completely checked your disks and filesystem's health? W I understand what he was saying and I already knew it done it that way. I posted that in a reply somewhere. It does the initial part to /tmp until you tell it otherwise, then it goes there. I can't recall it not being that way. It's just hard for me to believe that Firefox or Seamonkey downloading some file would cause a kernel panic like this. This just isn't like Linux. I think the power outage was a coincidence at this point. That said, I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest. Hardware wise, everything seems fine. I also blew out the dust bunnies which was not much. I generally do this about every month or so. Just hoping some update will change things, eventually. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Saturday 23 July 2011 19:45:50 Dale wrote: I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest. Which version? The latest in Gentoo predates the introduction of support (whatever that is) for the i-5 and i-7 CPUs. That was version 4.19 if I remember aright. You can get the latest version from www.memtest.org. It may make no difference, but you might as well use the latest version, no? -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter number 5290
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2011 19:45:50 Dale wrote: I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest. Which version? The latest in Gentoo predates the introduction of support (whatever that is) for the i-5 and i-7 CPUs. That was version 4.19 if I remember aright. You can get the latest version from www.memtest.org. It may make no difference, but you might as well use the latest version, no? I downloaded the latest systemrescue and used it. Also, I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Saturday 23 July 2011 20:46:41 Dale wrote: I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy. Oh, sorry. My mistake. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter number 5290
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Peter Humphrey wrote: On Saturday 23 July 2011 20:46:41 Dale wrote: I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy. Oh, sorry. My mistake. No problem. If you hadn't mentioned it, I would have been sitting on one that the test don't work on. lol Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
The 21/07/11, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:14:11 -0500, Dale wrote: It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first? If you keep xorg.conf, change it to use vesa. Or move it to /root. Also, are these done as modules like nvidia is? Hmmm, if I remove xorg.conf, how does it know which driver to use? Hardware detection. If you don't use third party drivers, you can usually do without an xorg.conf. Or just read /var/log/Xorg.0.log after started X. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
The 21/07/11, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. Try VESA. I would suspect the NIC driver, too. I've seen a lot of people touched by a r8169 bug freezing the kernel on large downloads, recently. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 21/07/11, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. Try VESA. I would suspect the NIC driver, too. I've seen a lot of people touched by a r8169 bug freezing the kernel on large downloads, recently. Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the README file to see what would be involved in installing it on my rig. It was a tarball so nothing video related or flash related either. It also didn't use the little download helper tool I been using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey. Could this be a network card/driver issue? I have had no problems so far with emerge downloading anything from the command line. I'm going to test this by deleting the tarballs for OOo and then fetching them again. If it doesn't crash, then maybe it is something related to HOW Seamonkey and Firefox access the net. If it does crash, then maybe I need a new network card. Thoughts? Going to go run my test now. Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Dale wrote: Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the README file to see what would be involved in installing it on my rig. It was a tarball so nothing video related or flash related either. It also didn't use the little download helper tool I been using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey. Could this be a network card/driver issue? I have had no problems so far with emerge downloading anything from the command line. I'm going to test this by deleting the tarballs for OOo and then fetching them again. If it doesn't crash, then maybe it is something related to HOW Seamonkey and Firefox access the net. If it does crash, then maybe I need a new network card. I can't believe any userland tool like a navigator could make the whole system crash. It's much deeper than that in the system. Again, it's likely to be a driver issue. You could test your network card by doing a lot of traffic on it (on the LAN to give you better chance to catch any issue), X stopped. Next, you could test X (even mouse and keyboard) by playing some games or whatever you don't do usual. But at *FIRST* as it looks like you didn't do it yet, you have to _check your logs_. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 10:54:09AM -0500, Dale wrote: Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the README file to see what would be involved in installing it on my rig. It was a tarball so nothing video related or flash related either. It also didn't use the little download helper tool I been using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey. Could this be a network card/driver issue? I have had no problems so far with emerge downloading anything from the command line. I'm going to test this by deleting the tarballs for OOo and then fetching them again. If it doesn't crash, then maybe it is something related to HOW Seamonkey and Firefox access the net. If it does crash, then maybe I need a new network card. I can't believe any userland tool like a navigator could make the whole system crash. It's much deeper than that in the system. Again, it's likely to be a driver issue. You could test your network card by doing a lot of traffic on it (on the LAN to give you better chance to catch any issue), X stopped. Next, you could test X (even mouse and keyboard) by playing some games or whatever you don't do usual. But at *FIRST* as it looks like you didn't do it yet, you have to _check your logs_. That is what I have been trying to figure out. Right now, I just know that Seamonkey and Firefox causes a kernel panic when I try to download something. I have said many times before that I don't think it is Seamonkey or Firefox itself but something they both use or load that is in common with each other. I don't think it is KDE either since it does the same in Fluxbox. I have looked at the logs I know of and I don't see anything in there about this. It is mostly about things loading and such. It seems the log is not going to help me to much on this one. I guess when it panics, it doesn't log anything first. As I posted in another reply, I deleted everything related to OOo source tarballs. It was about 400Mbs or so. I run emerge in a Konsole as root. It has been downloading for a while now with no problems at all. It is almost finished with the download. So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the web pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what? Dale :-) :-)
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
The 21/07/11, Dale wrote: I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. Try VESA. As for Firefox-bin, I'm not sure that would help Seamonkey. I could try it but not sure how that would help. Seamonkey would still crash. Now that I have the same tool I was using in Firefox, I'll most likely get rid of Firefox. The download helper was the only reason I was using Firefox. A book writer would say: when my system crash, I'm always using my text editor; so my editor makes the system crash. I'm not telling the root cause you suspect is not the real cause but that it is NOT likely to be the real cause in the first place. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
On 07/21/2011 01:18 PM, Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Using VESA, the screen was ALL messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think it even tried to do anything. If you have your opengl set to nvidia, you might try changing it back to xorg-x11. eselect opengl list
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
walt wrote: On 07/21/2011 01:18 PM, Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Using VESA, the screen was ALL messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think it even tried to do anything. If you have your opengl set to nvidia, you might try changing it back to xorg-x11. eselect opengl list Thanks. I'm going to go shoot myself in the foot now. lol Let me go test this again. BRB Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Kernel panics and more info
Dale wrote: walt wrote: On 07/21/2011 01:18 PM, Dale wrote: Dale wrote: Using VESA, the screen was ALL messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think it even tried to do anything. If you have your opengl set to nvidia, you might try changing it back to xorg-x11. eselect opengl list Thanks. I'm going to go shoot myself in the foot now. lol Let me go test this again. BRB Dale :-) :-) I have now. Same thing tho. I tried both vesa and nv. I only have this to select from tho. root@fireball / # eselect opengl list Available OpenGL implementations: [1] nvidia * [2] xorg-x11 root@fireball / # I set it to xorg's but still the same. I even tried logging into KDE but it was a mess. Maybe I can just find me a different download tool for Seamonkey. See if that works any better. Sure would like to nail this down tho. Dale :-) :-)
