Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: What does the data stream to a sound card look like?

2011-05-29 Thread Alan Mackenzie
Hi, Nikos and Florian.

Thanks for the helpful elucidation.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).


On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 04:13:18PM +0200, Florian Philipp wrote:
 Am 28.05.2011 12:19, schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
  On 05/28/2011 12:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
  Hi, Gentoo.

  It occurred to me the other day that I am clueless about how a sound
  card works.  How do the data get into it?  Does the sound card use an
  interrupt to ask for more data?

  The data is placed in RAM.  The card reads it from there using a DMA
  operation.  You can read about it here:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access


  What form do the data take?

  It's raw data, and its form depends on what the card is expecting.  What
  the card is expecting is programmable by the card's driver.


 Most likely it is some PCM format (pulse code modulation) not very
 different from WAV, CDDA, etc. (just without headers, of course). In the
 easiest case, the sound card then just feeds this into a digital-analog
 converter connected to the output (together with a analog-digital
 converter this is called an audio codec, for example AC'97).

 AC3 or DTS, the compressed formats found on DVD, can also be passed
 through the sound card to reach a home theater system over a digital
 output without being converted into an analog signal.


  Say I feed an mp3 through the card.  Does
  the Athlon do the decompression, or does the sound card do it?

  The MP3 is decoded by your CPU (by software like libmad, xine,
  gstreamer, etc.)  The decoded data is send to the driver, the driver
  applies any needed conversions to it (according to what the card
  expects), and then places it in RAM so the card can get it by means of DMA.


 This can be observed in some cases when the system crashes during
 playback. Then sometimes the card just seems to loop over the last data
 packet placed in RAM.


  Last of all, is there a command line program which can play a CD by
  feeding its data into the sound card?

  Today this works the same playing any other audio.  The fact that audio
  in this case comes from a CD doesn't matter.  An application reads the
  audio from the CD, sends it to the driver, and from there it gets to the
  sound card.


 The cdparanoia FAQ provides a lot of insight into the special problems
 of reading CD audio:
 http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/faq.html

 Regards,
 Florian Philipp






[gentoo-user] Re: OT: What does the data stream to a sound card look like?

2011-05-28 Thread Nikos Chantziaras

On 05/28/2011 12:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

Hi, Gentoo.

It occurred to me the other day that I am clueless about how a sound
card works.  How do the data get into it?  Does the sound card use an
interrupt to ask for more data?


The data is placed in RAM.  The card reads it from there using a DMA 
operation.  You can read about it here:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access



What form do the data take?


It's raw data, and its form depends on what the card is expecting.  What 
the card is expecting is programmable by the card's driver.




Say I feed an mp3 through the card.  Does
the Athlon do the decompression, or does the sound card do it?


The MP3 is decoded by your CPU (by software like libmad, xine, 
gstreamer, etc.)  The decoded data is send to the driver, the driver 
applies any needed conversions to it (according to what the card 
expects), and then places it in RAM so the card can get it by means of DMA.




Last of all, is there a command line program which can play a CD by
feeding its data into the sound card?


Today this works the same playing any other audio.  The fact that audio 
in this case comes from a CD doesn't matter.  An application reads the 
audio from the CD, sends it to the driver, and from there it gets to the 
sound card.





Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: What does the data stream to a sound card look like?

2011-05-28 Thread Florian Philipp
Am 28.05.2011 12:19, schrieb Nikos Chantziaras:
 On 05/28/2011 12:50 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
 Hi, Gentoo.

 It occurred to me the other day that I am clueless about how a sound
 card works.  How do the data get into it?  Does the sound card use an
 interrupt to ask for more data?
 
 The data is placed in RAM.  The card reads it from there using a DMA
 operation.  You can read about it here:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access
 
 
 What form do the data take?
 
 It's raw data, and its form depends on what the card is expecting.  What
 the card is expecting is programmable by the card's driver.
 

Most likely it is some PCM format (pulse code modulation) not very
different from WAV, CDDA, etc. (just without headers, of course). In the
easiest case, the sound card then just feeds this into a digital-analog
converter connected to the output (together with a analog-digital
converter this is called an audio codec, for example AC'97).

AC3 or DTS, the compressed formats found on DVD, can also be passed
through the sound card to reach a home theater system over a digital
output without being converted into an analog signal.

 
 Say I feed an mp3 through the card.  Does
 the Athlon do the decompression, or does the sound card do it?
 
 The MP3 is decoded by your CPU (by software like libmad, xine,
 gstreamer, etc.)  The decoded data is send to the driver, the driver
 applies any needed conversions to it (according to what the card
 expects), and then places it in RAM so the card can get it by means of DMA.
 

This can be observed in some cases when the system crashes during
playback. Then sometimes the card just seems to loop over the last data
packet placed in RAM.

 
 Last of all, is there a command line program which can play a CD by
 feeding its data into the sound card?
 
 Today this works the same playing any other audio.  The fact that audio
 in this case comes from a CD doesn't matter.  An application reads the
 audio from the CD, sends it to the driver, and from there it gets to the
 sound card.
 

The cdparanoia FAQ provides a lot of insight into the special problems
of reading CD audio:
http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/faq.html

Regards,
Florian Philipp




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