Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

2015-06-08 Thread Bruce Hill
On Mon, Jun 08, 2015 at 04:09:30AM +, James wrote:
 Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes:
 
 
 
  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
  sure about the former.
 
 
 Your probably looking in the mirror too much. 

I *do*, sir. The comment is about those in government, not you.



Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

2015-06-07 Thread J. Roeleveld
On 8 June 2015 06:09:30 CEST, James wirel...@tampabay.rr.com wrote:
Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes:



 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and
I'm not
 sure about the former.


Your probably looking in the mirror too much. 

Considering it was Albert Einstein that said that, this sounds like a 
compliment.

--
Joost
-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.



[gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

2015-06-07 Thread James
Bruce Hill daddy at happypenguincomputers.com writes:



 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
 sure about the former.


Your probably looking in the mirror too much. 












Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

2015-06-06 Thread Bruce Hill
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 05:38:57PM +, James wrote:
 
 SS7 (The north American switching standard) where the tariffs are still
 enforced is where the phone meta-data comes from regardless of how it is
 originated. Now, All data from an ISP, Telco
 web company, social media or anything else can all be moved between ICPs
 for business (sales) purposes now via this document and many others. What's
 new is the Feds will be paying gargantuan sums of money to the telcos now
 to keep data they already maintain.
 
 Yes this is the back door that has always existed and all advanced countries
 use it. The agencies just buy the data from offshore sources;
 thus circumventing domestic restrictions. That was/is a fundamental tenet of
 signal intercept.
 
 Did you notice that after the fall, of the Berlin wall (nov 1989), the good
 ole USA needed a new boogey man to justify spending billions and billions to
 keep us secure? The  Internet security business opened in 1990 via public
 access to the Internet.
 
 
 Soon it will be those evil Chinese. Taxpayers pay; so the politicians
 and can play. There has to be a boogey man, to justify spending billions
 on keeping us safe.
 
 The Onion with strong encryption does delay the process. But there's 
 too much advanced hardware available if they really want to decipher
 a particular stream of data.

Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not
sure about the former.



[gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

2015-06-05 Thread James
Mick michaelkintzios at gmail.com writes:

 
 On Thursday 04 Jun 2015 18:07:04 James wrote:
  Well, the media like to project that everything was fine, before Snowden
  did his thing. I, like many with deep roots in communications beyond TCP/IP
  have known better for a long time. I was perusing some published documents
  of an ILEC that wants me to do some work (a mesos cluster no less). Then I
  ran across this document, by accident [1].
 
 As I understand it from a cursory look, this document explains how unbundling 
 can occur so that suppliers can provide internet services to consumers, using 
 a competitor's infrastructure.  If anything, it tries to reverse the 
 oligopolistic cartel of ISPs that is so prevalent in the US among cable 
 providers.
 
  So now that my privacy of phone records has been wrestled from the hands
  of the NSA, and place with the Telco, conglomerates, boy why do I not feel
  safer? Congress has assured me that my personal data is now safe?
 
 Due to a 40 year dogma of privatisation of public services, all this data was 
 always provided and managed by Telcos and private enterprises, on behalf of 
 the NSA.  Who did you think Snowden was working for?  So the latest
provisions 
 pushed onto you by your government as something aheam! safer, can mean only 
 one thing:  same men, different trousers.  Carry on, as you were lads!
 
  ICP or Integrated Communications Provider is the jargon by which all
  attempts to keep our personal data, personal, are completely circumvented.
  Just read the patent, award makes not differnce, as these carrier databases
  have already been compile with numerous net data bases, so our privacy is
  already completely compromised.
 
 This I think refers to cross charging and management of users accounts to 
 provide ease of transfer between providers (and therefore facilitate 
 competition and better end user services/prices).  I haven't read it in
depth, 
 but this is what a quick scan of it tells me.

SS7 (The north American switching standard) where the tariffs are still
enforced is where the phone meta-data comes from regardless of how it is
originated. Now, All data from an ISP, Telco
web company, social media or anything else can all be moved between ICPs
for business (sales) purposes now via this document and many others. What's
new is the Feds will be paying gargantuan sums of money to the telcos now
to keep data they already maintain.


  And folks in other countries, besides the good ole USA, your asses have
  been owned for even longer.
 
 Have you asked your senator how much $$$ is your government paying the secret 
 services of other governments to provide information on their own as well as 
 US citizens?

Yes this is the back door that has always existed and all advanced countries
use it. The agencies just buy the data from offshore sources;
thus circumventing domestic restrictions. That was/is a fundamental tenet of
signal intercept.

Did you notice that after the fall, of the Berlin wall (nov 1989), the good
ole USA needed a new boogey man to justify spending billions and billions to
keep us secure? The  Internet security business opened in 1990 via public
access to the Internet.


Soon it will be those evil Chinese. Taxpayers pay; so the politicians
and can play. There has to be a boogey man, to justify spending billions
on keeping us safe.


  So I suggest we call have a shot or 2 of Tequila this weekend, get naked,
  and party like you've got nothing left to hide; cause you don't!
 
 I think that strong encryption with good RNGs still works, if Snowden is
to be 
 believed.  But ... I suspect this is only a matter of buying you some more 
 time.
 
  cheers mate!
  James
  [1] http://www.google.com/patents/US20010034627


The Onion with strong encryption does delay the process. But there's 
too much advanced hardware available if they really want to decipher
a particular stream of data.







Re: [gentoo-user] Re: OT: is your metadata safe?

2015-06-05 Thread Mick
On Friday 05 Jun 2015 18:38:57 James wrote:
 Soon it will be those evil Chinese. Taxpayers pay; so the politicians
 and can play. There has to be a boogey man, to justify spending
 billions on keeping us safe.

Yep!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33028158

I don't know if the timing of this news article is merely a misdirection from 
the Freedom Act, or if it seeks to justify it in the mind of those who think 
the Internet is something you run from the Start button on your desktop.

-- 
Regards,
Mick


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