Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org wrote: On Monday, July 4 at 13:10 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: Are you saying it does not require `xorg-x11'. Step 2) says in large type: `2. Installing Xorg' Then a big note in a green box later on says: , | Note: You could install the xorg-x11 metapackage instead of the more | lightweight xorg-server. Functionally, xorg-x11 and xorg-server are | the same. However, xorg-x11 brings in many more packages that you | probably don't need, such as a huge assortment of fonts in many | different languages. They're not necessary for a working desktop. ` So I'm a little confused. Perhaps pointing to the xorg documentation was a mistake. I only pointed there because it had instructions on setting up KMS. KMS (kernel mode setting) does not require X. It gives the kernel the ability to set the modes of your graphics cards, more efficiently and usually beyond the capabilities of what the *vesa drivers can do. Perhaps a better, non X-centered explanation of what KMS is can be found here [1]. Regardless, KMS is the newer, better, what-all-the-cool-kids-are-doinger way to what we've traditionally called framebuffer console. It also helps with X, especially switching between console and Xorg (faster and more seamless). It also gives you some xrandr-like abilities for the console. E.g. my laptop does native 1366x768 but does not support that vesa mode (it's not in the VESA standard afaik). But KMS can set that mode without me even having to specify it.[2] Anyway some proprietary X drivers (I've heard) don't support KMS (some still don't even support xrandr), but if you are not running Xorg then that may not be applicable to you anyway. [1] http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29#head-e1bab8dc862e3b477cc38d87e8ddc779a66509d1 [2] http://ompldr.org/vOWN0cg/kms.png I tried to use kms, but it conflicted with the nvidia driver and did not give me as much screen size in the console as uvesafb. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Tuesday, July 5 at 11:27 (-0400), cov...@ccs.covici.com said: I tried to use kms, but it conflicted with the nvidia driver and did not give me as much screen size in the console as uvesafb. Yeah, you can't use the nvidia driver and KMS at the same time. You'd have to use the nouveau driver.
[gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org writes: On Sunday, July 3 at 22:07 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: this is a no X machine... it appears at the cited URL they expect you to be running xorg. KMS doesn't require X, but Xorg can use it. Basically Xorg can let the kernel handle graphics mode setting and gets out of the way. But KMS doesn't require X. The link I provided shows how to enable KMS. it just happens to be in part of the Xorg docs. Are you saying it does not require `xorg-x11'. Step 2) says in large type: `2. Installing Xorg' Then a big note in a green box later on says: , | Note: You could install the xorg-x11 metapackage instead of the more | lightweight xorg-server. Functionally, xorg-x11 and xorg-server are | the same. However, xorg-x11 brings in many more packages that you | probably don't need, such as a huge assortment of fonts in many | different languages. They're not necessary for a working desktop. ` So I'm a little confused. ---- ---=--- - The way I've been doing this only required `vesa' or `uvesa' and some special kernel line stuff. None of the X related stuff is necessary. From covici's post... I think I may need to say uvesa where I've been saying vesa. I'm going to try that some time today. Its already enabled in my kernel
[gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
cov...@ccs.covici.com writes: I've been able to do this for years using VESA. I use uvesafb and it works without X -- I get 60x164, depending on the resolution your mileage may vary. If it done in the kernel line of grub.conf? I realize it must be enabled in kernel and I have done that. If it involves grub.conf, would you mind posting what you have in there?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org writes: On Sunday, July 3 at 22:07 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: this is a no X machine... it appears at the cited URL they expect you to be running xorg. KMS doesn't require X, but Xorg can use it. Basically Xorg can let the kernel handle graphics mode setting and gets out of the way. But KMS doesn't require X. The link I provided shows how to enable KMS. it just happens to be in part of the Xorg docs. Are you saying it does not require `xorg-x11'. Step 2) says in large type: `2. Installing Xorg' Then a big note in a green box later on says: , | Note: You could install the xorg-x11 metapackage instead of the more | lightweight xorg-server. Functionally, xorg-x11 and xorg-server are | the same. However, xorg-x11 brings in many more packages that you | probably don't need, such as a huge assortment of fonts in many | different languages. They're not necessary for a working desktop. ` So I'm a little confused. --- - ---=--- - The way I've been doing this only required `vesa' or `uvesa' and some special kernel line stuff. None of the X related stuff is necessary. From covici's post... I think I may need to say uvesa where I've been saying vesa. I'm going to try that some time today. Its already enabled in my kernel I'm a little confused by his post also, but I've never run a machine without Xorg so maybe it's a technical point. With a framebuffer I believe you can get a boot screen like the Install CD - a bunch of little Tux's across the top - so you're doing graphics at that point but you're not running X? I was curious about this topic awhile back wondering if you could run a Gentoo VM with only a framebuffer and get any graphics at all, or is it just that the framebuffer is used to give you more control over the console font/height/width selection. (I've never run a framebuffer, if that's not obvious!) ;-) - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: cov...@ccs.covici.com writes: I've been able to do this for years using VESA. I use uvesafb and it works without X -- I get 60x164, depending on the resolution your mileage may vary. If it done in the kernel line of grub.conf? I realize it must be enabled in kernel and I have done that. If it involves grub.conf, would you mind posting what you have in there? Add the following to your line: video=uvesafb:1280x1024 vmalloc=256M Change the numbers to meet your screen resolution. For this to work you need uvesafb to be built in to the kernel -- at least that is the way it worked for me. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
[gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On 07/04/2011 09:10 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Albert Hopkinsmar...@letterboxes.org writes: On Sunday, July 3 at 22:07 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: this is a no X machine... it appears at the cited URL they expect you to be running xorg. KMS doesn't require X, but Xorg can use it. Basically Xorg can let the kernel handle graphics mode setting and gets out of the way. Are you saying it does not require `xorg-x11'. Step 2) says in large type: `2. Installing Xorg' Then a big note in a green box later on says: , | Note: You could install the xorg-x11 metapackage instead of the more | lightweight xorg-server. Functionally, xorg-x11 and xorg-server are | the same. However, xorg-x11 brings in many more packages that you | probably don't need, such as a huge assortment of fonts in many | different languages. They're not necessary for a working desktop. ` So I'm a little confused. The guide deals with how to make X.Org use KMS. That does not mean that KMS requires X. For your X-less machine, all you need to do is enable the driver for your card in the kernel config, and make sure to also enable KMS. You need to disable the VESA/uvesafb drivers to avoid conflicts. What graphics card do you have, btw?
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Monday, July 4 at 13:10 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: Are you saying it does not require `xorg-x11'. Step 2) says in large type: `2. Installing Xorg' Then a big note in a green box later on says: , | Note: You could install the xorg-x11 metapackage instead of the more | lightweight xorg-server. Functionally, xorg-x11 and xorg-server are | the same. However, xorg-x11 brings in many more packages that you | probably don't need, such as a huge assortment of fonts in many | different languages. They're not necessary for a working desktop. ` So I'm a little confused. Perhaps pointing to the xorg documentation was a mistake. I only pointed there because it had instructions on setting up KMS. KMS (kernel mode setting) does not require X. It gives the kernel the ability to set the modes of your graphics cards, more efficiently and usually beyond the capabilities of what the *vesa drivers can do. Perhaps a better, non X-centered explanation of what KMS is can be found here [1]. Regardless, KMS is the newer, better, what-all-the-cool-kids-are-doinger way to what we've traditionally called framebuffer console. It also helps with X, especially switching between console and Xorg (faster and more seamless). It also gives you some xrandr-like abilities for the console. E.g. my laptop does native 1366x768 but does not support that vesa mode (it's not in the VESA standard afaik). But KMS can set that mode without me even having to specify it.[2] Anyway some proprietary X drivers (I've heard) don't support KMS (some still don't even support xrandr), but if you are not running Xorg then that may not be applicable to you anyway. [1] http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29#head-e1bab8dc862e3b477cc38d87e8ddc779a66509d1 [2] http://ompldr.org/vOWN0cg/kms.png
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Monday 04 July 2011 11:20:43 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: The way I've been doing this only required `vesa' or `uvesa' and some special kernel line stuff. None of the X related stuff is necessary. From covici's post... I think I may need to say uvesa where I've been saying vesa. I'm going to try that some time today. Its already enabled in my kernel I'm a little confused by his post also, but I've never run a machine without Xorg so maybe it's a technical point. With a framebuffer I believe you can get a boot screen like the Install CD - a bunch of little Tux's across the top - so you're doing graphics at that point but you're not running X? I was curious about this topic awhile back wondering if you could run a Gentoo VM with only a framebuffer and get any graphics at all, or is it just that the framebuffer is used to give you more control over the console font/height/width selection. (I've never run a framebuffer, if that's not obvious!) bootsplash does not run under X (well, on redhat it used to, but you really don't want to go there) - this should be obvious as you don't see the X start-up sequence happening at early boot time. There are many things boot splash could use for displaying images (fbcon etc etc) or even something of it's own invention. I'm not familiar enough with it to say how it really does it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 11:20:43 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: The way I've been doing this only required `vesa' or `uvesa' and some special kernel line stuff. None of the X related stuff is necessary. From covici's post... I think I may need to say uvesa where I've been saying vesa. I'm going to try that some time today. Its already enabled in my kernel I'm a little confused by his post also, but I've never run a machine without Xorg so maybe it's a technical point. With a framebuffer I believe you can get a boot screen like the Install CD - a bunch of little Tux's across the top - so you're doing graphics at that point but you're not running X? I was curious about this topic awhile back wondering if you could run a Gentoo VM with only a framebuffer and get any graphics at all, or is it just that the framebuffer is used to give you more control over the console font/height/width selection. (I've never run a framebuffer, if that's not obvious!) bootsplash does not run under X (well, on redhat it used to, but you really don't want to go there) - this should be obvious as you don't see the X start-up sequence happening at early boot time. There are many things boot splash could use for displaying images (fbcon etc etc) or even something of it's own invention. I'm not familiar enough with it to say how it really does it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com so does bootsplash run using framebuffer or is it completely different? - Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Monday 04 July 2011 13:47:28 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 11:20:43 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: The way I've been doing this only required `vesa' or `uvesa' and some special kernel line stuff. None of the X related stuff is necessary. From covici's post... I think I may need to say uvesa where I've been saying vesa. I'm going to try that some time today. Its already enabled in my kernel I'm a little confused by his post also, but I've never run a machine without Xorg so maybe it's a technical point. With a framebuffer I believe you can get a boot screen like the Install CD - a bunch of little Tux's across the top - so you're doing graphics at that point but you're not running X? I was curious about this topic awhile back wondering if you could run a Gentoo VM with only a framebuffer and get any graphics at all, or is it just that the framebuffer is used to give you more control over the console font/height/width selection. (I've never run a framebuffer, if that's not obvious!) bootsplash does not run under X (well, on redhat it used to, but you really don't want to go there) - this should be obvious as you don't see the X start-up sequence happening at early boot time. There are many things boot splash could use for displaying images (fbcon etc etc) or even something of it's own invention. I'm not familiar enough with it to say how it really does it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com so does bootsplash run using framebuffer or is it completely different? I have no idea actually. I could say it must run in a framebuffer-like abstraction but that is obvious and doesn't tell you anything you don't already know. Spock is the dev that knows most about these things, a good first research point would be to search his name and find related docs. Sorry I can't be more help - I have the concepts in my head but not the facts -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 13:47:28 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 11:20:43 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: The way I've been doing this only required `vesa' or `uvesa' and some special kernel line stuff. None of the X related stuff is necessary. From covici's post... I think I may need to say uvesa where I've been saying vesa. I'm going to try that some time today. Its already enabled in my kernel I'm a little confused by his post also, but I've never run a machine without Xorg so maybe it's a technical point. With a framebuffer I believe you can get a boot screen like the Install CD - a bunch of little Tux's across the top - so you're doing graphics at that point but you're not running X? I was curious about this topic awhile back wondering if you could run a Gentoo VM with only a framebuffer and get any graphics at all, or is it just that the framebuffer is used to give you more control over the console font/height/width selection. (I've never run a framebuffer, if that's not obvious!) bootsplash does not run under X (well, on redhat it used to, but you really don't want to go there) - this should be obvious as you don't see the X start-up sequence happening at early boot time. There are many things boot splash could use for displaying images (fbcon etc etc) or even something of it's own invention. I'm not familiar enough with it to say how it really does it. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com so does bootsplash run using framebuffer or is it completely different? I have no idea actually. I could say it must run in a framebuffer-like abstraction but that is obvious and doesn't tell you anything you don't already know. Spock is the dev that knows most about these things, a good first research point would be to search his name and find related docs. Sorry I can't be more help - I have the concepts in my head but not the facts I appreciate the info. No worries about that. I think the other point I'm missing here is whether KMS is actually implementing anything graphical, like a framebuffer, or whether it's just moving _choices_ about graphics into the kernel and out of X? I have an Intel i5-661/Intel MB based machine which is the only one I use KMS for at this time. On that machine I was instructed to use KMS by the Intel-Gfx devs to get their driver working at all. A nice side benefit was that it resulted in better text in the console during boot. However I don't see anything 'graphics like' on that box just using KMS so I suspect that while I've enabled technology that allows the kernel to manage graphics that I haven't told the kernel to actually do so. I don't know though. All of my other machines are NVidia based and use the closed source driver so my understanding on those is that KMS doesn't apply. I'm curious, however, about my Gentoo VMs. Can KMS run on a VM's kernel and do anything useful there? This is more for learning and not about any practical need at this time. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Monday 04 July 2011 14:15:12 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 13:47:28 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Alan McKinnon so does bootsplash run using framebuffer or is it completely different? I have no idea actually. I could say it must run in a framebuffer-like abstraction but that is obvious and doesn't tell you anything you don't already know. Spock is the dev that knows most about these things, a good first research point would be to search his name and find related docs. Sorry I can't be more help - I have the concepts in my head but not the facts I appreciate the info. No worries about that. I think the other point I'm missing here is whether KMS is actually implementing anything graphical, like a framebuffer, or whether it's just moving _choices_ about graphics into the kernel and out of X? By definition a framebuffer is a chunk of memory, and my understanding is that KMS does implement one (nouveau definitely provides a framebuffer, and it conflicts with all other framebuffers - you can't have more than one in the kernel at all). The clue is in the name: Kernel Mode Switching. It deals with all the low-level commands to set modes in the graphics card so that X doesn't have to do it itself. I have an Intel i5-661/Intel MB based machine which is the only one I use KMS for at this time. On that machine I was instructed to use KMS by the Intel-Gfx devs to get their driver working at all. A nice side benefit was that it resulted in better text in the console during boot. However I don't see anything 'graphics like' on that box just using KMS so I suspect that while I've enabled technology that allows the kernel to manage graphics that I haven't told the kernel to actually do so. I don't know though. When you speak of graphics in the context of framebuffers and consoles, it's better to think in terms of able to do what graphics does i.e. address a gigantic number of pixels individually. The fact that you are not running any software capable of rendering graphics doesn't reduce the fact that the means to do is there. All of my other machines are NVidia based and use the closed source driver so my understanding on those is that KMS doesn't apply. Yes, that's true. nVidia does it's own bizarre weird stuff that will forever more be incompatible with the entire free software world sigh I'm curious, however, about my Gentoo VMs. Can KMS run on a VM's kernel and do anything useful there? This is more for learning and not about any practical need at this time. From my understanding, this topic gets yucky. There's a whole bunch of ways this could be done, from software emulation to para- virtualization to full virtualization. Emulation is easy - KMS in the guest sees what looks for all the world like hardware so everything works if KMS supports the emulated card (albeit slowly). For everything else, you'd need kernel drivers intercepting efforts to talk to the hardware and be traffic cop. My brain is already spinning on this so please excuse me while I go dunk my head in a bucket and not think about it anymore :-) Cheers, Mark -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:34:41 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: I'm curious, however, about my Gentoo VMs. Can KMS run on a VM's kernel and do anything useful there? This is more for learning and not about any practical need at this time. From my understanding, this topic gets yucky. There's a whole bunch of ways this could be done, from software emulation to para- virtualization to full virtualization. Emulation is easy - KMS in the guest sees what looks for all the world like hardware so everything works if KMS supports the emulated card (albeit slowly). However, it can't get a list of supported display resolutions from the monitor so it is fair to say it works in a VM, for some definition of works. -- Neil Bothwick Top Oxymorons Number 19: Passive aggression signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 14:15:12 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: SNIP I'm curious, however, about my Gentoo VMs. Can KMS run on a VM's kernel and do anything useful there? This is more for learning and not about any practical need at this time. From my understanding, this topic gets yucky. There's a whole bunch of ways this could be done, from software emulation to para- virtualization to full virtualization. Emulation is easy - KMS in the guest sees what looks for all the world like hardware so everything works if KMS supports the emulated card (albeit slowly). For everything else, you'd need kernel drivers intercepting efforts to talk to the hardware and be traffic cop. My brain is already spinning on this so please excuse me while I go dunk my head in a bucket and not think about it anymore :-) So I'm wondering if the Virtualbox graphics driver (xf86-video-virtualbox) is a framebuffer local to the VM or something else? My NVidia GFX465 running the NVidia driver does about 11,000 FPS in glxgears in Linux. glxgears running in the VM does about 130FPS, or around 1% of the performance outside. Yes, it's 'slow', depending on how we define slow. It's faster then machine I ran native in Linux 5 years ago, and it's very usable for things like browsers, etc. I don't know what tool to use to measure graphics performance on Windows but my Windows XP VM is more than fast enough to watch Netflix full screen at 1920x1080 without any major amount of tearing, so Virtualbox graphics performance there is fine. Anyway, just data. Thanks, Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
Nikos Chantziaras rea...@arcor.de writes: [...] Harry wrote: So I'm a little confused. Nikos replied: The guide deals with how to make X.Org use KMS. That does not mean that KMS requires X. For your X-less machine, all you need to do is enable the driver for your card in the kernel config, and make sure to also enable KMS. You need to disable the VESA/uvesafb drivers to avoid conflicts. What graphics card do you have, btw? The gentoo install is a guest (Virtual Box) vm hosted on win 7. Video information: From lspci: VGA compatible controller: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter More from lshw: description: VGA compatible controller product: VirtualBox Graphics Adapter vendor: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH physical id: 2 bus info: pci@:00:02.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 33MHz capabilities: vga_controller bus_master configuration: latency=0 resources: memory:e000-e0ff
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Mark Knecht markkne...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday 04 July 2011 14:15:12 Mark Knecht did opine thusly: SNIP I'm curious, however, about my Gentoo VMs. Can KMS run on a VM's kernel and do anything useful there? This is more for learning and not about any practical need at this time. From my understanding, this topic gets yucky. There's a whole bunch of ways this could be done, from software emulation to para- virtualization to full virtualization. Emulation is easy - KMS in the guest sees what looks for all the world like hardware so everything works if KMS supports the emulated card (albeit slowly). For everything else, you'd need kernel drivers intercepting efforts to talk to the hardware and be traffic cop. My brain is already spinning on this so please excuse me while I go dunk my head in a bucket and not think about it anymore :-) So I'm wondering if the Virtualbox graphics driver (xf86-video-virtualbox) is a framebuffer local to the VM or something else? My NVidia GFX465 running the NVidia driver does about 11,000 FPS in glxgears in Linux. glxgears running in the VM does about 130FPS, or around 1% of the performance outside. Yes, it's 'slow', depending on how we define slow. It's faster then machine I ran native in Linux 5 years ago, and it's very usable for things like browsers, etc. I don't know what tool to use to measure graphics performance on Windows but my Windows XP VM is more than fast enough to watch Netflix full screen at 1920x1080 without any major amount of tearing, so Virtualbox graphics performance there is fine. Anyway, just data. Thanks, Mark GLX is also doing OpenGL 3D rendering which, outside the VM is hardware accelerated while inside of it the driver has no true, direct, access to hardware, though if you're one of the very lucky, there's a chance of halfway workable pass-through via the guest additions and such, but even that's slow (and I'm not certain it's available to a *nix guest). -- Poison [BLX] Joshua M. Murphy
[gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On 07/05/2011 03:48 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: Nikos Chantziarasrea...@arcor.de writes: [...] Harry wrote: So I'm a little confused. Nikos replied: The guide deals with how to make X.Org use KMS. That does not mean that KMS requires X. For your X-less machine, all you need to do is enable the driver for your card in the kernel config, and make sure to also enable KMS. You need to disable the VESA/uvesafb drivers to avoid conflicts. What graphics card do you have, btw? The gentoo install is a guest (Virtual Box) vm hosted on win 7. I don't think there's a KMS driver for VirtualBox (AFAIK, the kernel has one only for VMWare.) So no need to investigate this further.
[gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org writes: On Sunday, July 3 at 16:39 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: I've been booting with a framebuffer for some time. So long that I fear my kernel line may be out of date. A lot of people nowadays are using KMS. It's the one true way™ for doing console/X mode settings. But if you have a procraprietary driver it may not work. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml#doc_chap2 this is a no X machine... it appears at the cited URL they expect you to be running xorg. What I'm after is a console Framebuffer with higher resolution to shink the fonts down and enlarge the terminal. (on a console) I've been able to do this for years using VESA.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Albert Hopkins mar...@letterboxes.org writes: On Sunday, July 3 at 16:39 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: I've been booting with a framebuffer for some time. So long that I fear my kernel line may be out of date. A lot of people nowadays are using KMS. It's the one true way™ for doing console/X mode settings. But if you have a procraprietary driver it may not work. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml#doc_chap2 this is a no X machine... it appears at the cited URL they expect you to be running xorg. What I'm after is a console Framebuffer with higher resolution to shink the fonts down and enlarge the terminal. (on a console) I've been able to do this for years using VESA. I use uvesafb and it works without X -- I get 60x164, depending on the resolution your mileage may vary. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: about boot with framebuffer
On Sunday, July 3 at 22:07 (-0500), Harry Putnam said: this is a no X machine... it appears at the cited URL they expect you to be running xorg. KMS doesn't require X, but Xorg can use it. Basically Xorg can let the kernel handle graphics mode setting and gets out of the way. But KMS doesn't require X. The link I provided shows how to enable KMS. it just happens to be in part of the Xorg docs. -a
