[gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: snip But the question is, why do I (and you) see jaggedness when looking at that jpeg? I can ignore it, and likely it'll be fine (no jaggedness when looking at that particular pattern) the next update, or I can report it to bugzilla and let them pass it upstream. Guess that is what I'm presently pondering. Thanks for following this! If you use the xsetroot utility to alter the root window background, does it carry down to the xterm scrollbar? By that I mean I wonder if xterm inherits its visual look from the parent or if it is living in its own little world. It does not carry down to the xterm scrollbar - its own little world. heh on this box, xsetroot -gray produces a window background that perfectly demonstrates the jaggedness new with the latest xorg-server. Please try xsetroot -gray on your box, and see how it works for you. :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
On Thursday 09 April 2009 03:22:23 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: something similar on my system. That's it. It is the same gray hash that appears as the background if you were to start X using xorgcfg to self generate an xorg-config. It's obviously something one can learn to live with (I work a lot with xterms); just irritating that I had it under control a while back, and suddenly it reappears. I'm guessing that Alan McKinnon has it right, and that xorg has a minor bug; that the -br parameter no longer works. X -br still works just fine, I use it here and that horrific cross-hatch doesn't show up. The OP's complaint turns out to be is the xterm scrollbar, by default it looks just like that. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009 03:22:23 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: something similar on my system. That's it. It is the same gray hash that appears as the background if you were to start X using xorgcfg to self generate an xorg-config. It's obviously something one can learn to live with (I work a lot with xterms); just irritating that I had it under control a while back, and suddenly it reappears. I'm guessing that Alan McKinnon has it right, and that xorg has a minor bug; that the -br parameter no longer works. X -br still works just fine, I use it here and that horrific cross-hatch doesn't show up. The OP's complaint turns out to be is the xterm scrollbar, by default it looks just like that. Well. in an effort to prove to myself that I haven't gone nuts, I brought up my maintenance OS - which is simply a copy of the primary OS on another partition. I copied it there immediately prior to the xorg update. I opened up an xterm (Paul Hartman, I've set a default in fluxbox that provides a scrollbar on every xterm - but thanks for your thought that I could turn it off) and there were the nice, civilized dots that I've seen for years; NOT the cross-hatch that we all see now. I then shut down X and started up X from a user who does not have an .xinitrc - thereby bringing up basic XDM - and there was the nice, dots background; NOT the jagged background that I see if I bring up that user post-xorg-update. So I figured that I should take a snapshot of the old xterm and post it next to yesterday's posting and allow folks an a:b comparison. But YIKES - when I looked at the photo on the updated box, I again saw the cross-hatch. And if I look carefully, I see the dots beneath the cross-hatch!?! So I'm now thinking that -br still works; and that there is some sort of minuscule frequency/refresh/other difference between the old and new xorg-server that is accounting for this jagged appearance on top of the dots.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:07 AM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: On Thursday 09 April 2009 03:22:23 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: something similar on my system. That's it. It is the same gray hash that appears as the background if you were to start X using xorgcfg to self generate an xorg-config. It's obviously something one can learn to live with (I work a lot with xterms); just irritating that I had it under control a while back, and suddenly it reappears. I'm guessing that Alan McKinnon has it right, and that xorg has a minor bug; that the -br parameter no longer works. X -br still works just fine, I use it here and that horrific cross-hatch doesn't show up. The OP's complaint turns out to be is the xterm scrollbar, by default it looks just like that. Well. in an effort to prove to myself that I haven't gone nuts, I brought up my maintenance OS - which is simply a copy of the primary OS on another partition. I copied it there immediately prior to the xorg update. I opened up an xterm (Paul Hartman, I've set a default in fluxbox that provides a scrollbar on every xterm - but thanks for your thought that I could turn it off) and there were the nice, civilized dots that I've seen for years; NOT the cross-hatch that we all see now. I then shut down X and started up X from a user who does not have an .xinitrc - thereby bringing up basic XDM - and there was the nice, dots background; NOT the jagged background that I see if I bring up that user post-xorg-update. So I figured that I should take a snapshot of the old xterm and post it next to yesterday's posting and allow folks an a:b comparison. But YIKES - when I looked at the photo on the updated box, I again saw the cross-hatch. And if I look carefully, I see the dots beneath the cross-hatch!?! So I'm now thinking that -br still works; and that there is some sort of minuscule frequency/refresh/other difference between the old and new xorg-server that is accounting for this jagged appearance on top of the dots. That's really weird. I don't use xterm, but from the man page it looks like you can define various scrollbar options in your X resources file(s). I wonder if you had that set and lost it, or if the system-wide defaults were changes from an update or something. For example: Scrollbar Resources The following resources are useful when specified for the Athena Scrollbar widget: thickness (class Thickness) Specifies the width in pixels of the scrollbar. background (class Background) Specifies the color to use for the background of the scrollbar. foreground (class Foreground) Specifies the color to use for the foreground of the scrollbar. The ``thumb'' of the scrollbar is a simple checkerboard pattern alternating pixels for foreground and background color.
[gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:07 AM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: So I figured that I should take a snapshot of the old xterm and post it next to yesterday's posting and allow folks an a:b comparison. But YIKES - when I looked at the photo on the updated box, I again saw the cross-hatch. And if I look carefully, I see the dots beneath the cross-hatch!?! So I'm now thinking that -br still works; and that there is some sort of minuscule frequency/refresh/other difference between the old and new xorg-server that is accounting for this jagged appearance on top of the dots. That's really weird. I don't use xterm, but from the man page it looks like you can define various scrollbar options in your X resources file(s). I wonder if you had that set and lost it, or if the system-wide defaults were changes from an update or something. For example: Scrollbar Resources The following resources are useful when specified for the Athena Scrollbar widget: thickness (class Thickness) Specifies the width in pixels of the scrollbar. background (class Background) Specifies the color to use for the background of the scrollbar. foreground (class Foreground) Specifies the color to use for the foreground of the scrollbar. The ``thumb'' of the scrollbar is a simple checkerboard pattern alternating pixels for foreground and background color. I think you're right. I can color the scrollbar and see the jaggedness no more. But the question is, why do I (and you) see jaggedness when looking at that jpeg? I can ignore it, and likely it'll be fine (no jaggedness when looking at that particular pattern) the next update, or I can report it to bugzilla and let them pass it upstream. Guess that is what I'm presently pondering. Thanks for following this!
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 9:07 AM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: So I figured that I should take a snapshot of the old xterm and post it next to yesterday's posting and allow folks an a:b comparison. But YIKES - when I looked at the photo on the updated box, I again saw the cross-hatch. And if I look carefully, I see the dots beneath the cross-hatch!?! So I'm now thinking that -br still works; and that there is some sort of minuscule frequency/refresh/other difference between the old and new xorg-server that is accounting for this jagged appearance on top of the dots. That's really weird. I don't use xterm, but from the man page it looks like you can define various scrollbar options in your X resources file(s). I wonder if you had that set and lost it, or if the system-wide defaults were changes from an update or something. For example: Scrollbar Resources The following resources are useful when specified for the Athena Scrollbar widget: thickness (class Thickness) Specifies the width in pixels of the scrollbar. background (class Background) Specifies the color to use for the background of the scrollbar. foreground (class Foreground) Specifies the color to use for the foreground of the scrollbar. The ``thumb'' of the scrollbar is a simple checkerboard pattern alternating pixels for foreground and background color. I think you're right. I can color the scrollbar and see the jaggedness no more. But the question is, why do I (and you) see jaggedness when looking at that jpeg? I can ignore it, and likely it'll be fine (no jaggedness when looking at that particular pattern) the next update, or I can report it to bugzilla and let them pass it upstream. Guess that is what I'm presently pondering. Thanks for following this! If you use the xsetroot utility to alter the root window background, does it carry down to the xterm scrollbar? By that I mean I wonder if xterm inherits its visual look from the parent or if it is living in its own little world.
[gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Wednesday 08 April 2009 20:35:24 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: Just upgraded to xorg-server-1.5.3-r5, and now I see some sort of pattern on the edge of my xterms; reminiscent of the gray background of basic xwindows. I seem to recall seeing this years ago, and having to modify a configuration somewhere (e.g. with solid or black or ??). Can't remember if it was a fluxbox configuration, .Xdefaults, XDM, Xorg, or . Would love to see this go away. any ideas, please? The config option you refer to is -br It's an option to X, so set it up in whatever you use to start X (kdm, gdm, startx, etc) Thanks for the quick reply! Doesn't seem to work. I typically start my xsession with startx, so it is easy to do startx -br - no effect. (Took a quick look inside startx, and it reviews that -br is a default anyway.) Any other possibilities? TIA
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 21:10:38 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: The config option you refer to is -br It's an option to X, so set it up in whatever you use to start X (kdm, gdm, startx, etc) Thanks for the quick reply! Doesn't seem to work. I typically start my xsession with startx, so it is easy to do startx -br - no effect. (Took a quick look inside startx, and it reviews that -br is a default anyway.) Any other possibilities? Sorry, not from me :-( I have no idea what that border problem could be -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
[gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:35 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Just upgraded to xorg-server-1.5.3-r5, and now I see some sort of pattern on the edge of my xterms; reminiscent of the gray background of basic xwindows. I seem to recall seeing this years ago, and having to modify a configuration somewhere (e.g. with solid or black or ??). Can't remember if it was a fluxbox configuration, .Xdefaults, XDM, Xorg, or . Would love to see this go away. any ideas, please? Can you upload a screenshot somewhere? Here 'tis: http://www.fileqube.com/file/cuBQoco187071 (upper right hand corner of the xterm; top is o.k.; right side is hashed) TIA
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:33 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:35 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Just upgraded to xorg-server-1.5.3-r5, and now I see some sort of pattern on the edge of my xterms; reminiscent of the gray background of basic xwindows. I seem to recall seeing this years ago, and having to modify a configuration somewhere (e.g. with solid or black or ??). Can't remember if it was a fluxbox configuration, .Xdefaults, XDM, Xorg, or . Would love to see this go away. any ideas, please? Can you upload a screenshot somewhere? Here 'tis: http://www.fileqube.com/file/cuBQoco187071 (upper right hand corner of the xterm; top is o.k.; right side is hashed) TIA Is it the scrollbar? if I run xterm -sb -rightbar I can see something similar on my system.
[gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:33 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:35 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Just upgraded to xorg-server-1.5.3-r5, and now I see some sort of pattern on the edge of my xterms; reminiscent of the gray background of basic xwindows. I seem to recall seeing this years ago, and having to modify a configuration somewhere (e.g. with solid or black or ??). Can't remember if it was a fluxbox configuration, .Xdefaults, XDM, Xorg, or . Would love to see this go away. any ideas, please? Can you upload a screenshot somewhere? Here 'tis: http://www.fileqube.com/file/cuBQoco187071 (upper right hand corner of the xterm; top is o.k.; right side is hashed) TIA Is it the scrollbar? if I run xterm -sb -rightbar I can see something similar on my system. That's it. It is the same gray hash that appears as the background if you were to start X using xorgcfg to self generate an xorg-config. It's obviously something one can learn to live with (I work a lot with xterms); just irritating that I had it under control a while back, and suddenly it reappears. I'm guessing that Alan McKinnon has it right, and that xorg has a minor bug; that the -br parameter no longer works.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: jagged, grey, fine, horizontal lines on xterm border
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:22 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 7:33 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Paul Hartman wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:35 PM, 7v5w7go9ub0o 7v5w7go9u...@gmail.com wrote: Just upgraded to xorg-server-1.5.3-r5, and now I see some sort of pattern on the edge of my xterms; reminiscent of the gray background of basic xwindows. I seem to recall seeing this years ago, and having to modify a configuration somewhere (e.g. with solid or black or ??). Can't remember if it was a fluxbox configuration, .Xdefaults, XDM, Xorg, or . Would love to see this go away. any ideas, please? Can you upload a screenshot somewhere? Here 'tis: http://www.fileqube.com/file/cuBQoco187071 (upper right hand corner of the xterm; top is o.k.; right side is hashed) TIA Is it the scrollbar? if I run xterm -sb -rightbar I can see something similar on my system. That's it. It is the same gray hash that appears as the background if you were to start X using xorgcfg to self generate an xorg-config. It's obviously something one can learn to live with (I work a lot with xterms); just irritating that I had it under control a while back, and suddenly it reappears. I'm guessing that Alan McKinnon has it right, and that xorg has a minor bug; that the -br parameter no longer works. If you run xterm +sb it should turn the scrollbar off... if you previously had the scrollbar and it was just a different color, I'm not sure how to change that.
