[gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
Paul Colquhoun paul...@andor.dropbear.id.au writes: On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:54:51 Harry Putnam wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep using my huge desktops I like to use. For yrs I've used. Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection EndSection in /etc/X11/xorg.conf To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on. I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf. I think you would use xrandr to set it, or your desktop environment's GUI settings panel (or equivalent). I may be using xrandr wrong but it doesn't do the trick used like this: I'm running an `emerge world' so didn't want to close down X so I used Ctrl-alt F1 to leave X and then Ctrl-alt F2 to login on a different virtual terminal. Then commented out the `Virtual' line in xorg.conf: EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 #Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection EndSection Then startx on a different display. startx -- :1 Once X is up: xrandr no args shows 1280x1024 as being the highest resolution. xrandr -s 2048x1536 shows: Size 2048x1536 not found in available modes The xfce display setting tool also shows 1280 as the highest possible setting. I've asked before where else this might be set... in more than 1 forum. I think you may find its not all that easy to set a Resolution way higher than your card supports. Did you look at the man page for xrandr? Yes, but failed to notice that long complex command I saw -s size and thought I'd found the right switch. I think you need the --fb --panning options. There is even an example towards the end of the man page. I guess you mean this monstrosity? Have one small 1280x800 LVDS screen showing a small version of a huge 3200x2000 desktop, and have a big VGA screen display the surrounding of the mouse at normal size. xrandr --fb 3200x2000 --output LVDS --scale 2.5x2.5 --output VGA --pos 0x0 --panning 3200x2000+0+0/3200x2000+0+0/64/64/64/64 Thanks... I'll try that
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 21:21, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:42 +0300, Fatih Tümen wrote: I agree putting -hal is not a good idea unless you dare to break the packages that need hal. But I think there is a third option here Packages that need hal won't have a hal use flag. True, not every package that needs hal has hal use flag. I should have made clear that my implication was those which have (optional) dependency on hal (thus) has hal flag. For packages that need hal it doesn't matter whether you have -hal in your make.conf anyway, does it? -- Fatih -- Neil Bothwick Oxymoron: Reagan memoirs.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
Apparently, though unproven, at 09:58 on Friday 29 October 2010, Fatih Tümen did opine thusly: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 21:21, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:42 +0300, Fatih Tümen wrote: I agree putting -hal is not a good idea unless you dare to break the packages that need hal. But I think there is a third option here Packages that need hal won't have a hal use flag. True, not every package that needs hal has hal use flag. I should have made clear that my implication was those which have (optional) dependency on hal (thus) has hal flag. For packages that need hal it doesn't matter whether you have -hal in your make.conf anyway, does it? Correct. Something that requires hal will (should?) have it as an unconditional DEPEND. USE is only for optional features. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
Apparently, though unproven, at 05:22 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Harry Putnam did opine thusly: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: 101027 Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal. From my notes, having done it on 2 desktops machines + 1 netbook : Nice .. many thanks but one question To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ; So no kind of hal flag in make.conf, or is `-hal' a typo that should be `drop 'hal' flag? I wouldn't advise putting -hal in make.conf - that's globally and too many other things on the desktop still need it. Either a) disable it in /etc/make.conf and enable it in packages.use for stuff that needs it b) enable it in make.conf and disable it in packages.use for xorg-server I prefer b) as it's too easy to miss things using a). -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:26, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently, though unproven, at 05:22 on Thursday 28 October 2010, Harry Putnam did opine thusly: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: 101027 Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal. From my notes, having done it on 2 desktops machines + 1 netbook : Nice .. many thanks but one question To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ; So no kind of hal flag in make.conf, or is `-hal' a typo that should be `drop 'hal' flag? I wouldn't advise putting -hal in make.conf - that's globally and too many other things on the desktop still need it. Either a) disable it in /etc/make.conf and enable it in packages.use for stuff that needs it b) enable it in make.conf and disable it in packages.use for xorg-server I prefer b) as it's too easy to miss things using a). I agree putting -hal is not a good idea unless you dare to break the packages that need hal. But I think there is a third option here c) take the default: if you dont put hal in make.conf or package.use, packages will decide best for themselves.. Thu Oct 28 | 18:08:45 log # equery -C hasuse hal [ Searching for USE flag hal in all categories among: ] * installed packages [I--] [ ] media-sound/pulseaudio-0.9.21.1 (0) [I--] [ -] app-emulation/wine-1.2 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.7.7-r1 (0) [I--] [ ] sys-fs/ntfs3g-2010.3.6 (0) [I--] [ ~] kde-base/solid-4.5.2 (4.5) [I--] [ ] media-libs/libgphoto2-2.4.9 (0) [I--] [ ] x11-drivers/xf86-input-synaptics-1.2.1 (0) [I--] [ ] xfce-base/exo-0.3.107 (0) [I--] [ ] xfce-base/thunar-1.0.2 (0) Thu Oct 28 | 18:08:56 log # grep ^hal /etc/make.conf Thu Oct 28 | 18:08:58 log # grep ^hal /etc/portage/ -R Thu Oct 28 | 18:09:00 log # When kde gets rid of hal I might as well give up on all other packages depend on it and totally get rid of the curst thing. -- Fatih
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
101028 Alan McKinnon wrote: Harry Putnam did opine thusly: Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: From my notes, having done it on 2 desktops machines + 1 netbook : To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ; So no kind of hal flag in make.conf or is `-hal' a typo that should be `drop 'hal' flag? Yes, it's my own note to myself reads wrongly for anyone else. My 'make.conf' has USE=-* ... gtk2 handbook ... (ordered alphabetically) which means it does have -hal, ie it drops 'hal'. I wouldn't advise putting -hal in make.conf - that's globally and too many other things on the desktop still need it. Not on my machines. I have used the -* ... approach for some years. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Cities Centre, University of Toronto TRANSIT`-O--O---' purslowatchassdotutorontodotca
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 18:11:42 +0300, Fatih Tümen wrote: I agree putting -hal is not a good idea unless you dare to break the packages that need hal. But I think there is a third option here Packages that need hal won't have a hal use flag. -- Neil Bothwick Oxymoron: Reagan memoirs. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: 101027 Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal. From my notes, having done it on 2 desktops machines + 1 netbook : Nice .. many thanks but one question To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ; So no kind of hal flag in make.conf, or is `-hal' a typo that should be `drop 'hal' flag?
[gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
Philip Webb purs...@ca.inter.net writes: 101027 Harry Putnam wrote: I wondered if there is some kind of guide to scrap hal. From my notes, having done it on 2 desktops machines + 1 netbook : Nice .. many thanks but one question To remove Hal : drop '-hal' flag, add 'udev' flag ; So no kind of hal flag in make.conf, or is `-hal' a typo that should be `drop 'hal' flag?
[gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep using my huge desktops I like to use. For yrs I've used. Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection in /etc/X11/xorg.conf To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on. I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf. I think you would use xrandr to set it, or your desktop environment's GUI settings panel (or equivalent). I may be using xrandr wrong but it doesn't do the trick used like this: I'm running an `emerge world' so didn't want to close down X so I used Ctrl-alt F1 to leave X and then Ctrl-alt F2 to login on a different virtual terminal. Then commented out the `Virtual' line in xorg.conf: EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 #Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection EndSection Then startx on a different display. startx -- :1 Once X is up: xrandr no args shows 1280x1024 as being the highest resolution. xrandr -s 2048x1536 shows: Size 2048x1536 not found in available modes The xfce display setting tool also shows 1280 as the highest possible setting. I've asked before where else this might be set... in more than 1 forum. I think you may find its not all that easy to set a Resolution way higher than your card supports.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: scrapping hal
On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 14:54:51 Harry Putnam wrote: Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: I'm also guessing there is some kind of replacement that I need to learn about if it effects my longtime reliance on xorg.conf to keep using my huge desktops I like to use. For yrs I've used. Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection EndSection in /etc/X11/xorg.conf To get a 2048x1536 desktop to flop around on. I've never seen or heard of a way to get that without using xorg.conf. I think you would use xrandr to set it, or your desktop environment's GUI settings panel (or equivalent). I may be using xrandr wrong but it doesn't do the trick used like this: I'm running an `emerge world' so didn't want to close down X so I used Ctrl-alt F1 to leave X and then Ctrl-alt F2 to login on a different virtual terminal. Then commented out the `Virtual' line in xorg.conf: EndSubsection Subsection Display Depth 24 Modes 1280x1024 #1024x768 800x600 640x480 #Virtual 2048 1536 ViewPort0 0 EndSubsection EndSection Then startx on a different display. startx -- :1 Once X is up: xrandr no args shows 1280x1024 as being the highest resolution. xrandr -s 2048x1536 shows: Size 2048x1536 not found in available modes The xfce display setting tool also shows 1280 as the highest possible setting. I've asked before where else this might be set... in more than 1 forum. I think you may find its not all that easy to set a Resolution way higher than your card supports. Did you look at the man page for xrandr? I think you need the --fb --panning options. There is even an example towards the end of the man page. -- Reverend Paul Colquhoun, ULC.http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. Then, when you do, you'll be a mile away, and you'll have their shoes.
