Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-21 Thread Johann Schmitz

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Enrico Weigelt schrieb:
| BTW: I've tried to start some services within the sysroot, but that
| tried to mount/check the rootfs and of course failed :(
| Should I trick init.d to think these services were already started ?

NO! Doing this will cause that spooky things happen!

Here is a working gentoo-sources kernel config for a DS 3000:
http://files.j-schmitz.net/2.6.24-gentoo-r3.config

Maybe it is just a root fs mistake in the kernel config.

If dont want a sw raid, you can disable this stuff in make menuconfig.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Johann Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

 Enrico Weigelt schrieb:
 | BTW: I've tried to start some services within the sysroot, but that
 | tried to mount/check the rootfs and of course failed :(
 | Should I trick init.d to think these services were already started ?
 
 NO! Doing this will cause that spooky things happen!

Yep, it's tricky, eg. some service script tend to do simply nothing.
I'll still have to hack some bit to trick the init.d stuff ;-o

 Here is a working gentoo-sources kernel config for a DS 3000:
 http://files.j-schmitz.net/2.6.24-gentoo-r3.config

Thx. I'll have a try. 

But I the kernel doesnt seem to be the (only) blocker. 
My current configuration is: 

* Hetzner's debian image on sda 
* gentoo on sdb (root: sdb1)

If I try the debian kernel w/ /dev/sdb1 as root, nothing comes up, 
even not a single write on disk (also tweaked to /sbin/rc to touch
a file, but that doesnt happen).

Then I tried another init program on the debian system - it's just
a little script which does a few mounts and touches and then 
calls /sbin/init. With the debian system, perfectly fine, but 
chroot'ing to the gentoo system doesnt seem to work.

For example, the script contains a line:

chroot /gentoo ls -la / 21  /FOO

that file is created, but empty.

hmm, perhaps I'll have to use absolute pathes ... ;-o


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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi folks,
 
 chroot /gentoo ls -la / 21  /FOO
 
 that file is created, but empty.
 
 hmm, perhaps I'll have to use absolute pathes ... ;-o

The absolute pathes were missing, now chroot works and 
/sbin/rc leaves his note. But still the system doesnt come up :(

Is there anyway for logging what's happending in the first
bootup stages to some file ?

Ah, maybe some idea: the sdb1 fs is an ext2 (was my mistake, 
I wanna have ext3), so maybe the checkroot stuff might try to
run fsck first and fails. I'll try either mounting it ro or 
convert to ext3 ... is there any way for skipping the fsck at all ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-21 Thread Joe User

Enrico Weigelt schrieb:

Hi folks,


I'm currently trying to install Gentoo remotely on an Hetzer 
(www.hetzner.de) Server via rescue system. Everything seemed

to work fine, but the box doesn't come up.

I don't have any physical/serial console access, so I cannot 
see what's happening :(


Did anyone manage to get an remote install in such an situation ?
(maybe even @ Hetzner).


thx


Hi Enrico,

have a look at http://www.rootforum.de/wiki/gentoo/01_hardened 
Bootloader installieren, it's a grub bug.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-21 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joe User [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

 have a look at http://www.rootforum.de/wiki/gentoo/01_hardened 
 Bootloader installieren, it's a grub bug.

I don't think it's a grub problem, since I also can't boot with
the preinstalled grub w/ rootfs from the second disk.

It seems that the whole sysinit stuff breaks (and falls back to
sulogin) if the slightest thing goes wrong. For example an 
missing /proc dir in the rootfs will make the whole system
unbootable.


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[gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Enrico Weigelt

Hi folks,


I'm currently trying to install Gentoo remotely on an Hetzer 
(www.hetzner.de) Server via rescue system. Everything seemed
to work fine, but the box doesn't come up.

I don't have any physical/serial console access, so I cannot 
see what's happening :(

Did anyone manage to get an remote install in such an situation ?
(maybe even @ Hetzner).


thx
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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Enrico Weigelt schrieb:

 I'm currently trying to install Gentoo remotely on an Hetzer 
 (www.hetzner.de) Server via rescue system. Everything seemed
 to work fine, but the box doesn't come up.
 
 I don't have any physical/serial console access, so I cannot 
 see what's happening :(
 
 Did anyone manage to get an remote install in such an situation ?
 (maybe even @ Hetzner).

I have a remote server @ Hetzner but it's Ubuntu not Gentoo, so I have
no idea what might be the problem.
WRT serial console: did you try LARA? On the robot website, below
Verwaltung click on Support-Anfragen. There you can select Remote
Console (LARA).

Regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Johann Schmitz

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We've set up a gentoo server on Hetzner. There are some hints about remote 
install in the hetzner dokuwiki
(http://wiki.hetzner.de), even some gentoo-related articles.
Did you tried to reboot into the rescue system, and check the logs? Is the 
Server reachable via ping?



Enrico Weigelt schrieb:
| Hi folks,
|
|
| I'm currently trying to install Gentoo remotely on an Hetzer
| (www.hetzner.de) Server via rescue system. Everything seemed
| to work fine, but the box doesn't come up.
|
| I don't have any physical/serial console access, so I cannot
| see what's happening :(
|
| Did anyone manage to get an remote install in such an situation ?
| (maybe even @ Hetzner).
|
|
| thx

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Markus Schönhaber wrote:

 I have a remote server @ Hetzner

s/remote/root/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Johann Schmitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi,

 We've set up a gentoo server on Hetzner. There are some hints about remote 
 install in the hetzner dokuwiki
 (http://wiki.hetzner.de), even some gentoo-related articles.

yep, already found it, but didn't help very much :(

 Did you tried to reboot into the rescue system, and check the logs? Is the 
 Server reachable via ping?

It doesnt seem to write anythings to disk, neither does the IP interface
come up. I guess, something's wrong with the bootloader or kernel.
The image installation seems to work fine. But I just forgot to set the
root password and the management robot is now offline until 01:00 :((

In the next step (if the bot's back again) I'll try to boot the debian
image's kernel with gentoo's rootfs from the second disk. That should
isolate the problem to either Gentoo config or the (meanwhile overwritten)
bootloader/kernel.

BTW: I've tried to start some services within the sysroot, but that
tried to mount/check the rootfs and of course failed :(
Should I trick init.d to think these services were already started ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Markus Schönhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 WRT serial console: did you try LARA? On the robot website, below
 Verwaltung click on Support-Anfragen. There you can select Remote
 Console (LARA).

Do all servers have that remote console or do I have to order
it additionally ?
(the bot's currently offline, so I cant check yet)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Markus Schönhaber
Enrico Weigelt wrote:

 Do all servers have that remote console or do I have to order
 it additionally ?

I'm not sure. But since I didn't explicitly order it, I think that, yes,
all dedicated servers come with this feature included.

 (the bot's currently offline, so I cant check yet)

Seems that today's your lucky day...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote install @Hetzner

2008-06-20 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Markus Schönhaber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Enrico Weigelt wrote:
 
  Do all servers have that remote console or do I have to order
  it additionally ?
 
 I'm not sure. But since I didn't explicitly order it, I think that, yes,
 all dedicated servers come with this feature included.

hmm, just checked it: there's nothing like this, but in the
order dialog there're a lot extra options.

Meanwhile the bot's up again, and I can now can play around 
how to get gentoo booted from debian kernel ;-o


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