Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:38:26PM +0200, Geralt wrote: Although it would be possible to include this respawning into slim (and I suppose that gdm and kdm have this feature?) it is much more work than checking in xdm is slim is still up and if not restarting it (since xdm is slim's parent process it gets even informed about it, so no polling would be necessary!). xdm isn't slim's parent process, slim is a replacement for xdm. Or do you mean the xdm init script? I meant the xdm init script, since I thought we were talking all the time about the xdm init script when saying xdm. Did I misunderstand something in the previous posts? Geralt.
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 02:23:55PM +0200, Geralt wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:38:26PM +0200, Geralt wrote: Although it would be possible to include this respawning into slim (and I suppose that gdm and kdm have this feature?) it is much more work than checking in xdm is slim is still up and if not restarting it (since xdm is slim's parent process it gets even informed about it, so no polling would be necessary!). xdm isn't slim's parent process, slim is a replacement for xdm. Or do you mean the xdm init script? I meant the xdm init script, since I thought we were talking all the time about the xdm init script when saying xdm. Did I misunderstand something in the previous posts? No, I just wasn't absolutely sure. xdm was mentioned once as /etc/init.d/xdm, once someone said something about a xdm. -- hackerkey://v4sw5hw2ln3pr5ck0ma2u7LwXm4l7Gi2e2t4b7Ken4/7a16s0r1p-5.62/-6.56g5OR
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:38:26PM +0200, Geralt wrote: Although it would be possible to include this respawning into slim (and I suppose that gdm and kdm have this feature?) it is much more work than checking in xdm is slim is still up and if not restarting it (since xdm is slim's parent process it gets even informed about it, so no polling would be necessary!). xdm isn't slim's parent process, slim is a replacement for xdm. Or do you mean the xdm init script? I meant the xdm init script, since I thought we were talking all the time about the xdm init script when saying xdm. Did I misunderstand something in the previous posts?
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-10-16 03:54]: Hello, On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. How can I prevent this? I use x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/slim % /dev/null in /etc/inittab, instead of /etc/init.d/xdm. This seems to solve the issue. SLiM 1.3.1 seems a bit buggy, however, on Gentoo (although didn't try on other distributions). Version 1.3.0 was more stable. Regards, Liviu I am using slim 1.3.0 I will try the inittab-patch, but it is only a workaround. By the way: Is there a way to use different backgrounds for slim and the desktop. I am using Icewm and that background was overwritten by slim... Thanks a lot for your help! KLind regards, mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
Hi, actually there is nothing wrong with slim, you have to remember that slim is an X-application, so killing X also kills all applications using X (including X-based login-managers). To fix this xdm needs to restart slim, or you use /etc/inittab. You should also realize that using /etc/inittabs respawn option is no workaround but a perfectly legal solution to automatically respawn your graphical environment. In Archlinux for example it's the suggested way to handle this. Although it would be possible to include this respawning into slim (and I suppose that gdm and kdm have this feature?) it is much more work than checking in xdm is slim is still up and if not restarting it (since xdm is slim's parent process it gets even informed about it, so no polling would be necessary!). Geralt. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-10-16 03:54]: Hello, On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. How can I prevent this? I use x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/slim % /dev/null in /etc/inittab, instead of /etc/init.d/xdm. This seems to solve the issue. SLiM 1.3.1 seems a bit buggy, however, on Gentoo (although didn't try on other distributions). Version 1.3.0 was more stable. Regards, Liviu I am using slim 1.3.0 I will try the inittab-patch, but it is only a workaround. By the way: Is there a way to use different backgrounds for slim and the desktop. I am using Icewm and that background was overwritten by slim... Thanks a lot for your help! KLind regards, mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
Hi, for what purpose slim offers a dameon mode? What is the difference between starting slim in dameon and in normal mode ? Meino Geralt [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-10-16 17:45]: Hi, actually there is nothing wrong with slim, you have to remember that slim is an X-application, so killing X also kills all applications using X (including X-based login-managers). To fix this xdm needs to restart slim, or you use /etc/inittab. You should also realize that using /etc/inittabs respawn option is no workaround but a perfectly legal solution to automatically respawn your graphical environment. In Archlinux for example it's the suggested way to handle this. Although it would be possible to include this respawning into slim (and I suppose that gdm and kdm have this feature?) it is much more work than checking in xdm is slim is still up and if not restarting it (since xdm is slim's parent process it gets even informed about it, so no polling would be necessary!). Geralt. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liviu Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-10-16 03:54]: Hello, On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. How can I prevent this? I use x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/slim % /dev/null in /etc/inittab, instead of /etc/init.d/xdm. This seems to solve the issue. SLiM 1.3.1 seems a bit buggy, however, on Gentoo (although didn't try on other distributions). Version 1.3.0 was more stable. Regards, Liviu I am using slim 1.3.0 I will try the inittab-patch, but it is only a workaround. By the way: Is there a way to use different backgrounds for slim and the desktop. I am using Icewm and that background was overwritten by slim... Thanks a lot for your help! KLind regards, mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows. -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 05:38:26PM +0200, Geralt wrote: Although it would be possible to include this respawning into slim (and I suppose that gdm and kdm have this feature?) it is much more work than checking in xdm is slim is still up and if not restarting it (since xdm is slim's parent process it gets even informed about it, so no polling would be necessary!). xdm isn't slim's parent process, slim is a replacement for xdm. Or do you mean the xdm init script? -Erik -- hackerkey://v4sw5hw2ln3pr5ck0ma2u7LwXm4l7Gi2e2t4b7Ken4/7a16s0r1p-5.62/-6.56g5OR
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:29:31 +0200 Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 07:14:08PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. Is this actually a bug or intended behaviour? If it's a bug, is there a version that works properly? It's supposed to do this. GDM, and I think KDM, both respawn after being killed, but IMHO this isn't a good thing. If you kill something, you don't want it coming back to life by itself. If there's a problem somewhere in your X server and the disply manager constantly dies and tries to restart, that can get annoying. It's not in slim because it shouldn't really be default behaviour. Might not be bad to provide an conf file option for this behavior, though. -- I try to uphold the ideals that I was taught to value as an American, but every year I get less and less help from the United States. -- R.M. Stallman signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Benjamin Leggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:29:31 +0200 Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 07:14:08PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. Is this actually a bug or intended behaviour? If it's a bug, is there a version that works properly? It's supposed to do this. GDM, and I think KDM, both respawn after being killed, but IMHO this isn't a good thing. If you kill something, you don't want it coming back to life by itself. If there's a problem somewhere in your X server and the disply manager constantly dies and tries to restart, that can get annoying. It's not in slim because it shouldn't really be default behaviour. Might not be bad to provide an conf file option for this behavior, though. You can try Qingy as an alternative for using an xdm: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Fix_The_Login_Security_Hole
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 02:52:40PM -0500, Paul Hartman wrote: On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Benjamin Leggett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:29:31 +0200 Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 07:14:08PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. Is this actually a bug or intended behaviour? If it's a bug, is there a version that works properly? It's supposed to do this. GDM, and I think KDM, both respawn after being killed, but IMHO this isn't a good thing. If you kill something, you don't want it coming back to life by itself. If there's a problem somewhere in your X server and the disply manager constantly dies and tries to restart, that can get annoying. It's not in slim because it shouldn't really be default behaviour. Might not be bad to provide an conf file option for this behavior, though. You can try Qingy as an alternative for using an xdm: http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Fix_The_Login_Security_Hole Which unfortunately involves having to set up the framebuffer, in addition starting an xdm preloads X (starting X takes only a few seconds, but still) . Does quingy restart X on ctrl-alt-del, anyway? -Erik -- hackerkey://v4sw5hw2ln3pr5ck0ma2u7LwXm4l7Gi2e2t4b7Ken4/7a16s0r1p-5.62/-6.56g5OR
[gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
Hi, The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. How can I prevent this? Kind regards, mcc -- Please don't send me any Word- or Powerpoint-Attachments unless it's absolutely neccessary. - Send simply Text. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html In a world without fences and walls nobody needs gates and windows.
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
Hello, On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 7:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. How can I prevent this? I use x:5:respawn:/usr/bin/slim % /dev/null in /etc/inittab, instead of /etc/init.d/xdm. This seems to solve the issue. SLiM 1.3.1 seems a bit buggy, however, on Gentoo (although didn't try on other distributions). Version 1.3.0 was more stable. Regards, Liviu
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 07:14:08PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The login manager slim, which is started in daemon mode, get killed when X is left by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Backspace (zapping X) -- there is a fallback to the login of the root console instead of getting a new login screen of slim. Is this actually a bug or intended behaviour? If it's a bug, is there a version that works properly? -- hackerkey://v4sw5hw2ln3pr5ck0ma2u7LwXm4l7Gi2e2t4b7Ken4/7a16s0r1p-5.62/-6.56g5OR
Re: [gentoo-user] Slim: After zapping X fallback to console
On 10/15/08, Erik Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this actually a bug or intended behaviour? If it's a bug, is there a version that works properly? The bug would relate more to /etc/init.d/xdm than to SLiM. Liviu
