Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-08 Thread András Csányi
2008/5/6 David [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

   Hi,

I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm not
   interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root
   filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and
   rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups?
   Any improvements?.

   Thanks in advance

Hi,
I use rdiff-backup.
small, maybe fast, usable.
I suggest to you look this site:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Backup

András

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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-07 Thread Steven Lembark

 If you're using 'dd' does that mean you're copying the entire filesystem
 and not just the files?  I believe that can run you into some issues
if the
 FS isn't read-only...

 What kind of issues? The idea is to copy the whole filesystem to
another disk
 and keep it sync. And in case of crisis use dd from the backup to the
 original disk.

dd does no error checking and is not usually
suitable for backups of any kind unless you
validate the output. find / -xdev | cpio -ov,
*dump, or mkisofs -R would all be better ways
to store recovery data than dd.


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[gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread David

 Hi,

   I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm not
 interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root
 filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and
 rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups?
 Any improvements?.

 Thanks in advance


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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread Andrew MacKenzie
+++ David [gentoo-user] [Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:44:46PM +0200]:
 
  Hi,
 
I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm not
  interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root
  filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and
  rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups?
  Any improvements?.
I've used bacula in the past to do backups.  It's very full featured but
also rather complicated for simple backups.

These days I use an rsync-based backup script I wrote called 'yarbs' (yet
another rsync backup system).

It uses rsync and hard links to keep X days of backups.  Easy to use, easy
to recover from, easy to setup.  I can make it available if anyone's
interested.

If you're using 'dd' does that mean you're copying the entire filesystem
and not just the files?  I believe that can run you into some issues if the
FS isn't read-only...

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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread Mark Knecht
On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:44 PM, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,

   I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm not
  interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root
  filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and
  rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups?
  Any improvements?.

  Thanks in advance


See my recent (over the weekend) thread entitled tar a brand new
Gentoo install to a USB drive for safe keeping?

about using tar to save a brand new system.

In that thread one person pointed me toward this page:

http://blinkeye.ch/mediawiki/index.php/GNU/Linux_System_Backup_Script_(stage4)

which I tried out. It seemed to work OK for me. I had to edit jsut a
coupl eof lines to work with my setup
but other than that I got a number of backups created. Not too difficult.

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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Dienstag, 6. Mai 2008, David wrote:
  Hi,

I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm not
  interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root
  filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and
  rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups?
  Any improvements?.

  Thanks in advance


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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread David
On Tuesday 06 May 2008 23:54:08 Andrew MacKenzie wrote:
 +++ David [gentoo-user] [Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:44:46PM +0200]:
   Hi,
 
 I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm
  not interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root
  filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and
  rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups?
   Any improvements?.

 I've used bacula in the past to do backups.  It's very full featured but
 also rather complicated for simple backups.

 These days I use an rsync-based backup script I wrote called 'yarbs' (yet
 another rsync backup system).

 It uses rsync and hard links to keep X days of backups.  Easy to use, easy
 to recover from, easy to setup.  I can make it available if anyone's
 interested.

 If you're using 'dd' does that mean you're copying the entire filesystem
 and not just the files?  I believe that can run you into some issues if the
 FS isn't read-only...

What kind of issues? The idea is to copy the whole filesystem to another disk 
and keep it sync. And in case of crisis use dd from the backup to the 
original disk. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread Andrew MacKenzie
+++ David [gentoo-user] [Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:18:58AM +0200]:
 On Tuesday 06 May 2008 23:54:08 Andrew MacKenzie wrote:
  If you're using 'dd' does that mean you're copying the entire filesystem
  and not just the files?  I believe that can run you into some issues if the
  FS isn't read-only...
 What kind of issues? The idea is to copy the whole filesystem to another disk 
 and keep it sync. And in case of crisis use dd from the backup to the 
 original disk. 
There is the possibility that something changes on disk and you've already
copied the 'references' to it in the journal or index.  Thus making your
image inconsistent or corrupted.  You also have files cached in memory not
yet written to disk, etc.  It's also very inefficient copying all the empty
parts of your file system as well.

At the least you'll want to mount your file system read-only if you're
going to use dd to make a copy.  


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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread Andrew MacKenzie
+++ David [gentoo-user] [Wed, May 07, 2008 at 12:18:58AM +0200]:
 What kind of issues? The idea is to copy the whole filesystem to another disk 
 and keep it sync. And in case of crisis use dd from the backup to the 
 original disk. 
I should note I'm assuming you're backing up a mounted filesystem.  If not
then there's nothing wrong with dd.

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Re: [gentoo-user] back up gentoo system

2008-05-06 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008, David wrote:
 On Tuesday 06 May 2008 23:54:08 Andrew MacKenzie wrote:
  +++ David [gentoo-user] [Tue, May 06, 2008 at 11:44:46PM +0200]:
Hi,
  
  I was thinking on making regular backup of my gentoo partition. I'm
   not interested in incremental backups, just a mirror image of the root
   filesystem. I've prepared some scripts using dd for the first copy and
   rsync to keep it updated. How do you make your backups?
Any improvements?.
 
  I've used bacula in the past to do backups.  It's very full featured but
  also rather complicated for simple backups.
 
  These days I use an rsync-based backup script I wrote called 'yarbs' (yet
  another rsync backup system).
 
  It uses rsync and hard links to keep X days of backups.  Easy to use,
  easy to recover from, easy to setup.  I can make it available if anyone's
  interested.
 
  If you're using 'dd' does that mean you're copying the entire filesystem
  and not just the files?  I believe that can run you into some issues if
  the FS isn't read-only...

 What kind of issues? The idea is to copy the whole filesystem to another
 disk and keep it sync. And in case of crisis use dd from the backup to
 the original disk.

Andrew has a point. dd is not a good choice. FS don't like it if some parts of 
them are in a different state than others.

Also, with dd, everytime you restore, you also restore fragmentation - oh and 
a bigger partition? Can be tricky.

There is nothing wrong with tar. In fact tar is great for this job. dd not.
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